Session Start: Mon Aug 18 00:00:00 2014 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
[00:00] * Set by jacky on Tue Mar 02 13:03:23
[00:23]<@BC_Programming> hmm I've run out of Memory twice now
[00:23]<@BC_Programming> maybe 32GB is the answer :P
[00:25]<Tux2> Ha ha!
[00:32]<@BC_Programming> hmm $266 for 2 sticks of 8GB
[00:34]<@BC_Programming> oh that's amazon pricing... Tigerdirect.ca is actually cheaper, $195... I may end up upgrading next week lol
[00:41]<Tux2> lol
[00:41]<Tux2> How much memory do you have in the system right now?
[00:41]<Quantos> 16
[00:42]<@BC_Programming> yeah 16GB
[00:42]<@BC_Programming> I mean sure I <could> close programs
[00:44]<Quantos> Nah, that would be like admitting that you're lazy/not lazy (not sure which one fits better)
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[01:25]<Tux2> lol
[01:25]<Tux2> I've got 8GB of ram in my laptop and I can't put any more in... (motherboard limitation)
[01:26]<@BC_Programming> yeah both my laptops are maxed out, with 4GB and 144MB
[01:26]<@BC_Programming> which is what I got them both with
[01:39]<Tux2> lol, ditto
[01:42]<Tux2> So, how in the world is sending a package from Salt Lake City, Utah, to Denver, CO then back up to Sinclair cheaper than just stopping at the stop in Rawlins? FedEx SmartPost isn't that smart...
[01:43]<@BC_Programming> heh
[01:43]<Nat> Tux2: shipping lines
[01:43]<@BC_Programming> I've heard that can happen if people or the machines misread labels too
[01:43]<Nat> misimplementation of A*
[01:44]<Tux2> lol
[01:44]<Tux2> Yeah, to be fair I did send it to a PO box, so it does have to be shipped via USPS
[01:45]<Tux2> sometime in the line
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[01:46]<Tux2> It may be that FedEx lacks a Rawlins location...
[01:46]<Tux2> However I know UPS does have one... last time I got a package shipped UPS SmartPost it went through the Rawlins post office
[01:50]<Tux2> Also BC_Programming, that game idea is all kinds of crazy!
[01:50]<Tux2> I'm still trying to figure out how a game like that would work...
[01:51]<@BC_Programming> lol
[01:52]<PCdoc> Troubleshooting windows 98 is a harrassment
[01:52]<@BC_Programming> what?
[01:54]<PCdoc> a pentium4 with windows xp and win98 dual boot. 98 often crashes while xp is still running. When ever they come to me with that problem I feel stressed :(
[01:54]<@BC_Programming> why
[01:55]<PCdoc> Its been years I had my hands on 98. I am not used to it and its working / commands / troubleshooting
[01:55]<@BC_Programming> oh
[01:57]<Tux2> lol, every time I have to work on a windows machine I get quickly reminded why I use linux
[01:58]<Tux2> Same with Macs
[01:58]<Nat> *cough* monolithic kernel *cough*
[01:58]<Nat> what sorry? did someone say something?
[01:58]<PCdoc> same here .. or linux. I have to use linux because of an accounting software I require to use for printing bills.
[01:59]<PCdoc> for linux *
[01:59]<PCdoc> what am I typing ?
[01:59]<Tux2> ah, lol
[01:59]<Tux2> lol Nat
[01:59]<PCdoc> all wrong
[01:59]<PCdoc> grrr
[01:59]<PCdoc> same here .. For linux. I have to use WINDOWS because of an accounting software I require to use for printing bills.
[02:00]<Tux2> YOu know you can build your own kernel, right Nat? The only reason the mac kernel is so light is because of the limited hardware it has to support
[02:00]<Nat> Tux2: its also modular beyond belief
[02:00]<Nat> XNU kernel is pretty cool
[02:00]<Nat> but its pretty darn inefficient
[02:00]<Nat> weirdly enough. its open source
[02:01]<PCdoc> There was an interesting article I read somewhere, it said "Why does an Apple iphone/ipod/macbook go slower when ever Apple launches a new hardware with new mac os" ??
[02:02]<@BC_Programming> That's not an article, that is a question
[02:02]<@BC_Programming> or was it onw of those rhetorical type articles that ask a question then answer it themselves like some sort of smartmouth
[02:03]<PCdoc> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/computing/iPhone-slow-Do-Apples-smartphones-get-slower-when-a-new-one-is-launched/articleshow/39425736.cms
[02:03]<Nat> why does that end with a .cms?
[02:03]<PCdoc> it was in the tech section of the newspaper
[02:03]<Nat> now that is the definition of sketchy
[02:03]<PCdoc> online newspaper
[02:03]<PCdoc> The times of India
[02:04]<@BC_Programming> haha wow that is so ridiculous, the entire basis is "we did a study by googling stuff and then comparing results over time"
[02:04]<@BC_Programming> Nobody actually, you know, decompiled or otherwise investigated if there was some sort of switch being triggered remotely or something
[02:04]<PCdoc> thats what they do for all the articles TBH o.O
[02:04]<@BC_Programming> Oooh I see
[02:04]<@BC_Programming> it's talking about installing a new OS on older phones
[02:05]<Quantos> That's pretty irresponsible
[02:05]<Tux2> lol
[02:05]<Tux2> Of course every time you update your OS it's going to run a bit slower
[02:05]<@BC_Programming> You'd almost think that the new OS was designed for new phones or something
[02:05]<Tux2> I know, right?
[02:05]<@BC_Programming> heh
[02:06]<@BC_Programming> I mean some older phones cna say run the latest versions of android
[02:06]<Tux2> Of course I'm wondering how the newest version of Linux Mint is running faster than the really old version of Ubuntu that I had on that same machine
[02:06]<@BC_Programming> but that's more a case of "well you <can> run it..." sort of in the same sense that you can run Windows 95 on a 386 PC.
[02:06]<PCdoc> Yeah, like if you try installing Windows 7 on a p4 with 512ghz or 1GB ram, it will be slower as compared to latest dual core
[02:07]<Tux2> lol, wait, dual core?
[02:07]<@BC_Programming> i7
[02:07]<Nat> its all about porting DOS to a micrcontroller
[02:07]<@BC_Programming> actually what is AMD equivalent, hrrrm
[02:07]<@BC_Programming> A- something?
[02:08]<Tux2> x4
[02:08]<@BC_Programming> They really should have stuck to the K prefix, they could have had some weird dog-themed thing with a K9
[02:08]<Tux2> lol
[02:09]<Nat> BC_Programming - World's greatest marketing expert
[02:09]<@BC_Programming> yeah nobody thought ahead at AMD clearly, they just went to the K6-3 and dropped it, so much wasted potential
[02:10]<Tux2> lol
[02:10]<@BC_Programming> "The K9 5600 Ruffmax"
[02:10]<Tux2> Of course I'm the marketing analyst at my church
[02:10]<@BC_Programming> And they would include an AV tool in the BIOS, called the "De-worming agent"
[02:11]<Tux2> Ha ha!
[02:11]<@BC_Programming> And when you unlock the CPU you are "giving it a milkbone"
[02:12] * Tux2 facepalms
[02:12]<@BC_Programming> and when you run prime95 you're taking it for a walk
[02:12]<@BC_Programming> I could go on
[02:13]<@BC_Programming> Naturally it also comes with a subwoofer but that's pretty obvious
[02:13]<Tux2> lol, make it an article on your website
[02:13]<Tux2> AMD's K9 CPUs: The Missed Opportunity
[02:14]<Tux2> Do it as a satirical article like the Onion and rave about the relatively unknown K9 CPUs
[02:16]<Tux2> Well, I'm going to bed, night everyone!
[02:17]<@BC_Programming> night
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[10:50]<jamer> hi Tux2
[10:54]<Tux2> Hi jamer
[10:55]<jamer> hows things?
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[12:45]<Tux2> Doing good, just listed my first item on Ebay in 3 years, lol...
[12:45]<Tux2> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=181499449878&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123
[12:54]<+camerongray> Nice
[12:54]<+camerongray> I really should sell stuff :P
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[13:06]<+camerongray> BC_Programming: Beauty of a post from Geek-9pm who STILL can't understand secure boot
[13:06]<@BC_Programming> Yeah not really sure about that other dude but he's definitely wrong about the "it will automatically disable itself" crap
[13:06]<+camerongray> No, he responded to me
[13:06]<+camerongray> Still thinks it's anti theft
[13:10]<+camerongray> Tempted to make a post in Don's effectively telling him to shut up
[13:10]<@BC_Programming> nah
[13:11]<+camerongray> Why? To be nice to him or because the posts are amusing :P
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[13:13]<Quantos> So I'm not the only one that finds him useful like a rubber crutch?
[13:13]<+camerongray> haha
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[13:16]<@BC_Programming> wtf is with that anti-theft thing
[13:16]<@BC_Programming> like how does he even think that works
[13:16]<@BC_Programming> even if it's a surface that only allows one OS, that still means you can reinstall that OS as much as you want
[13:16]<Quantos> LOL, I can't stop giggling about that
[13:17]<Quantos> I think someone that knows something told him that as a test once, just to see how gullible he is.
[13:18]<Tux2> lol
[13:18] * Quantos cranks up Iron Maiden
[13:19]<Quantos> I think I'm showing my age now
[13:20]<Tux2> I'm also sitting on a couple of scsi drives, but I have to wipe them before I can sell them...
[13:20]<+camerongray> There, I added a picture, see if he can still understand pictures
[13:21]<Quantos> I haven't heard SCSI in a while
[13:21]<Tux2> Ha ha!
[13:21]<Tux2> How about 5 1/4" floppy drive?
[13:21]<@BC_Programming> I still have one of those
[13:22]<Quantos> I have a 9 1/2 floppy
[13:22]<@BC_Programming> only disks I have are an install set of PC Tools 7
[13:22]<Tux2> lol
[13:22]<@BC_Programming> Quantos: are you a boneless midget?
[13:22]<Quantos> It holds about 14k
[13:22]<Tux2> How about a zip100 drive?
[13:22]<Quantos> LOL
[13:22]<Quantos> I had to think about that one for a minute
[13:22]<@BC_Programming> I had a version of a LS120 superfloppy thing that connected via parallel
[13:23]<+camerongray> Dah, I should be in the pub now but
[13:23]<@BC_Programming> keyword had since I tool it apart
[13:23]<+camerongray> but I've beeen arguing with Geek-9pm again
[13:23]<Tux2> lol, yeah, the zip100 also connected via parallel
[13:24]<+camerongray> If he still doesn't understand this, I'll make a full, feature length documentary where I take my laptop, disable secureboot and install Linux in painstaking detail :P
[13:24]<@BC_Programming> why camerongray
[13:24]<@BC_Programming> who cares
[13:24]<+camerongray> lol, true
[13:24]<@BC_Programming> he's just some stupid old man
[13:24]<+camerongray> lol
[13:24]<+camerongray> I was more joking
[13:24]<@BC_Programming> let him argue with his garden gnomes
[13:24]<+camerongray> But I just can't work out how he can't understand it
[13:25]<@BC_Programming> because he's stupid
[13:25]<+camerongray> Wonder if he'll reply
[13:25]<+camerongray> He's probably too busy being baffled by a spoon
[13:25]<Quantos> I'm getting up there in age, I hope that's not gonna happen to me
[13:25]<+camerongray> lol
[13:25]<+camerongray> It would take a long time to get to his level :P
[13:25]<Quantos> LOL
[13:25]<@BC_Programming> years of training
[13:25]<Quantos> You guys would warn me right?
[13:26]<@BC_Programming> well we could put you out of your misery like old yeller
[13:26]<Quantos> Even better
[13:27]<+camerongray> Anyway, I'm off to the pub :P
[13:27]<Quantos> Have a guiness for me
[13:27]<+camerongray> haha
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[13:39]<Tux2> lol, I just had someone offer me $21 for the power adapter... even the knockoffs get more than that!
[13:39]<Tux2> (I did my research...)
[13:40]<Quantos> That's for the one you posted this morning?
[13:41]<Tux2> Yes
[13:41]<Tux2> Current genuine new price is around $50
[13:41]<Quantos> Yeah, that sounds fair
[13:42]<Quantos> I think he was trying to bend you over for a deal
[13:49]<+camerongray> wow...http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,144819.msg914088.html#msg914088
[13:51]<Quantos> ROFLMAO
[13:52]<Quantos> I don't think he reads anything....
[13:52]<@BC_Programming> false
[13:52]<@BC_Programming> heh
[13:53]<Quantos> I like your post in there BC, and he still doesn't sit up
[13:53]<Quantos> What a doof
[14:02]<Tux2> lol, I just posted
[14:02]<+camerongray> There are no words...
[14:03]<Quantos> Well, none for use in public
[14:03]<Tux2> lol
[14:03]<+camerongray> BC! You are supposed to back up your claim because the "burden is on you" apparently
[14:03]<+camerongray> He also usefully provided the definition of the word burden in case you forgot
[14:03]<Tux2> I should take a picture of my BIOS showing secure boot and the anti-theft settings
[14:03]<Quantos> Except BC didn't make a claim, just stated the truth....
[14:04]<+camerongray> And now I've walked into a lamp post while using IRC on my phone,it's all his fault!
[14:04]<Quantos> I like how my little BIOS chip scampers out of the case to make sure it's me trying to boot the computer
[14:04]<+camerongray> Tux2: I did but the photo broke, you could always do it :P
[14:06]<Tux2> lol, brb then
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[14:10]<+camerongray> Dah, forgot my bag
[14:10]<+camerongray> Now I have to walk all the way home then all the way back to the pub
[14:11]<Quantos> Naw, just leave her at home
[14:11]<Quantos> Hehehe
[14:12]<@BC_Programming> oh Geek-9pm you crazy old man
[14:12]<@BC_Programming> I feel like I'm arguing with the Trix Rabbit
[14:13]<+camerongray> Hahha
[14:14]<Quantos> Nah, the rabbit has a higher IQ
[14:14]<+camerongray> At least it's providing entertainment
[14:16]<Quantos> Silly rabbit, Secure Boot is for kids....
[14:17]<@BC_Programming> more like "silly old man, babies can't control what comes out of their mouth, what is your excuse?"
[14:17]<Quantos> Hehehehhe
[14:17]<Quantos> You have a little something on your chin there geek.....
[14:18]<Tux2> lol, there we go, screenshots posted of the BIOS showing both the secure boot and the anti-theft settings
[14:18]<@BC_Programming> He'll come back with something about you having to do that to every single laptop and PC that exists to "prove him wrong"
[14:20]<Quantos> He seriously needs a boot up his ass
[14:20]<Quantos> Hmm, the bot doesn't seem to mind that word
[14:21]<Quantos> Either that or the bot knows we're discussing geek
[14:21]<Tux2> lol, right?
[14:23]<Tux2> lol, first thing I did when I got my laptop was disable the UEFI boot and install linux, wasn't hard at all. :P
[14:23]<Tux2> Then I figured out with the options there I could swap hard drives and still boot my windows and linux installs just fine
[14:23]<+camerongray> Same here
[14:24]<Quantos> I think geek is basing his knowledge off of an old article that I'd gone over when UEFI was new
[14:24]<Tux2> UEFI is enabled, but legacy boot is used whenever I have the linux hard dive in
[14:24]<Quantos> It didn't play well with Linux
[14:24]<+camerongray> I later reinstalled Windows 8 from my MSDN media and reenabled secure boot with no issues
[14:24]<Quantos> But that is not the case anymore
[14:25]<Tux2> lol, exactly camerongray
[14:25]<+camerongray> He bases everything off of ancient articles
[14:25]<@BC_Programming> I like his "news" posts that are links to articles from 2006
[14:26]<Quantos> No way
[14:26]<Quantos> Too funny
[14:26]<Tux2> Wait, 2006? UEFI wasn't even really a thing back then
[14:26]<@BC_Programming> "In 5 years this could be a reality"
[14:26]<Quantos> LOL
[14:26]<+camerongray> Or the classic "Google has x results for 'pigs can fly' therefore its true"
[14:26]<@BC_Programming> No just his arbitrary news posts about random garbage
[14:26]<Quantos> Meanwhile it's already obsolete
[14:26]<+camerongray> And he's terrified of people getting SSDs
[14:26]<Tux2> lol
[14:27]<+camerongray> He will try to discourage anyone getting one
[14:27]<+camerongray> Which is bloody annoying since all it does is confuse users
[14:27]<@BC_Programming> "Yes Geek, tell our visitor how many PCs you've build lately"
[14:27]<Quantos> Wouldn't that be possible with the proper catapult?
[14:27]<@BC_Programming> "oh right, zero"
[14:28]<Quantos> The pigs flying thing I mean
[14:28]<Tux2> lol, just read the OP, "Can I do a dual boot with Linux and Windows 8.1 on a new Dell laptop?" YES! YES YOU CAN! I've done it on mine!
[14:29]<Tux2> "Can I do a re-install windows 8 on my laptop?" Done it at least 3 times....
[14:29]<Quantos> I don't understand dual booting, why would you want Windows?
[14:30]<Quantos> NVM, I just remembered that my iPhone doesn't like Linux
[14:30]<Tux2> I use it to stream mostly, as it doesn't work properly in Linux most of the time for me
[14:31]<Quantos> It detects the iPhone, but just won't mount it
[14:31]<Tux2> lol, the bigger question is why do you use an iPhone?
[14:31]<Quantos> It was free
[14:31]<Quantos> I'm a big fan of free
[14:32]<Tux2> Yeah, I got a free iPad once... I returned it after about 3 months
[14:32]<Quantos> It's very rarely used for anything but a phone, in all honesty I could still get away with using a motorola brick
[14:32]<@BC_Programming> I don't have a smartphone
[14:32]<@BC_Programming> though I am considering it lightly
[14:33]<Quantos> I do find having my music on the iPhone handy though
[14:33]<Tux2> lol, I use the google cloud player
[14:33]<Quantos> I've disabled cellular data
[14:33]<@BC_Programming> The weirdest thing happened Last Friday
[14:33]<+camerongray> And IRC on a phone like me right now
[14:34]<@BC_Programming> The owner of the company phoned me and asked me for help with Dropbox
[14:34]<Quantos> That makes you look good
[14:34]<Quantos> Nothing like a pat on the back eh?
[14:34]<@BC_Programming> No it's confusing
[14:35]<Quantos> Oh
[14:35]<@BC_Programming> because it had nothing to do with work lol
[14:35]<Quantos> Well then, I retract
[14:35]<Quantos> :)
[14:35]<Tux2> lol
[14:35]<@BC_Programming> Though I suppose it means I didn't completely destroy my reputation when I helped move data from his wifes old PC to the new one
[14:35]<@BC_Programming> that was a terrible day
[14:35]<Tux2> Talking about dropbox I got an email stating my version was out of date
[14:36]<@BC_Programming> "Oh btw she has a proprietary application that only works on XP but is needed, good luck moving it to Win8"
[14:36]<Quantos> Oh no
[14:36]<Quantos> That's pretty standard though
[14:36]<Tux2> VirtualBox + TinyXP
[14:36]<@BC_Programming> well that wasn't the quote but it was practically an afterthought
[14:37]<@BC_Programming> I managed to grab the database itself and move it to excel
[14:42]<Quantos> Here's one for geek https://imgur.com/i16bLpL
[14:42]<Quantos> Allan really doesn't like it when I post that in the forums
[14:49]<Tux2> lol
[14:53]<Tux2> Have you guys seen this yet: http://games.usvsth3m.com/around-the-world/ ?
[14:55]<Quantos> That's different
[14:56]<Tux2> lol, right?
[14:57]<Quantos> It's kind of cute
[14:57]<Quantos> It's a bit redundant in the game play, but what game isn't
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[15:45]<+Mulreay> Well chaps on Thu I move to the big smoke (London) and then probably 2 weeks later I ship out abroad to sunny climates. I won't have my PC's to hand as they can take up to 6 weeks to ship along with all my other stuff but will have one of my trusty laptops to communicate. I don't come here that often these days but I would like to feel that my proper friends can get me on social media/skype
[15:45]<+Mulreay> if you need me for anything.
[15:45]<@BC_Programming> ok thx for the update :D
[15:46]<@BC_Programming> Don't forget to clear your caches!
[15:48]<+Mulreay> I don't have a virus BC_Programming so I fail to see how clearing my cache could have any possible benefits.. unless I wanted to play a game at better settings
[15:49]<@BC_Programming> also on the plane insist that the stewardess ensure the plane's cache has been cleared such that the plane will fly faster
[15:49]<+Mulreay> hahahahahaha
[15:49]<+Mulreay> That was funny
[15:53]<Tux2> lol
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[16:42]<+camerongray> Guess Geek has finally given up :
[16:44]<Quantos> Nah, he's checking some old documents for more shit for brains arguments....
[16:44]<+camerongray> haha yeah
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[17:41]<+camerongray> He's replied again
[17:41]<+camerongray> But this time trying to change the subject onto Computrace
[17:46]<+Mulreay> Idiots will always have the most to say and the intelligent people have least as they don't need 50 words when 10 will do.
[17:46]<+camerongray> haha yeah
[17:47]<+camerongray> He just can't admit he's wrong and is now resorting to petty nonsense about who is responsible for backing up their claim :P
[17:48]<+camerongray> What I find funny is that the newest PC he owns seems to be a Pentium 4/Core Duo but he is trying to argue with Me, BC_Programming and Tux2 who all own modern PCs
[17:48]<+camerongray> I know at least that I and Tux2 both own Secure Boot capable laptops
[17:49]<+Mulreay> I have a P4 PC but I have an 8 core 16gb RAM PC as well.. you have to move with the times
[17:49]<+camerongray> Yeah
[17:50]<+camerongray> I have nothing wrong with people who also own old PCs
[17:50]<+camerongray> I mean, I'm the king of that
[17:50]<+camerongray> I also don't really mind if someone is using an old PC as long as it's not so old to be insecure and as long as they are not spending a fortune keeping it going
[17:51]<+camerongray> But the problem with people like Geek is that they will still try and help with modern stuff that they simply don't understand
[17:51]<+Mulreay> Some people like to live in the past and think 'everything' is better when it is clearely not
[17:51]<+camerongray> yep
[17:52]<+camerongray> I think he's scared of new stuff somehow
[17:52]<+camerongray> He purely created that thread to try to stop Linux users buying new PCs
[17:52]<+Mulreay> More fool him then
[17:52]<+camerongray> The one in the SBCC to try to stop people buildign new PCs
[17:52]<+camerongray> And will try and stop everyone from getting SSDs
[17:53]<+Mulreay> Yes SSDS's are evil and so are modern PC's we should all see this
[17:53]<+camerongray> haha
[17:53]<+camerongray> If he came to my flat he'd explode
[17:54]<+Mulreay> I have 3 PC's and 4 laptops that I would just push in his face
[17:54]<+camerongray> Any PC in active use is from within the last couple of years, Nothing in active use uses XP or older
[17:54]<+camerongray> My internet connection is not 1mbps DSL
[17:55]<+Mulreay> I have 1 XP machine but it's not been active for about 2yrs
[17:55]<+camerongray> Yeah
[17:55]<+camerongray> Same here
[17:56]<+camerongray> I have used it a few times recently with XP but purely as a serial console since it's the only decent laptop I have with a serial port
[17:56]<+Mulreay> Even my win vista machine doesn't get a look in these days
[17:56]<+camerongray> If I were to be going online or anything I'd put Vista or newer on it
[17:57]<+Mulreay> My laptops have Vista, 7 and linux
[17:57]<+camerongray> I wonder how he would react to me using PCs newer than his for pretty mundane tasks, I imagine he'd go mental
[17:57]<+camerongray> Like my HTPCs - I bet he would argue I should recycle old P4 PCs as HTPCs rather than building something modern, albeit low end
[17:58]<+camerongray> Same with my home server, he'd probably tell me I should have used a P4 for that
[17:58]<+camerongray> Thing is, I care about power efficiency :P
[17:59]<+camerongray> Even my Granny moved to Windows 7 when XP lost support
[17:59]<+Mulreay> I use my P4 for just fun.. I don't have the know how to use it for anything special.. I sometimes run bots on it to test and that's about it but it's been switched off for quite a time
[17:59]<+camerongray> And she hates change and doesn't pretend to be a PC expert
[17:59]<+camerongray> Yeah, old machines are fine for testing stuff
[18:01]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, what are the connections like in Malta?
[18:01]<+Mulreay> Lol at your Granny using computers
[18:01]<+camerongray> haha, only one does
[18:01]<+camerongray> She's used them since the BBC Micro
[18:01]<+Mulreay> Good for her
[18:01]<+camerongray> Yeah, my uncle used to be very into them so she got into them through him
[18:02]<+camerongray> She used her Dimension 2400 for years but last year I finally convinced her to upgrade
[18:02]<+Mulreay> I can imagine my Grandparents.. they were born in like the 1930's
[18:02]<+camerongray> My Granny who doesn't do technology was born in 1925 :P
[18:02]<+Mulreay> There all dead now sadly
[18:02]<+camerongray> Other would be sometime in the 1930s
[18:02]<+camerongray> Now has a nice one I built with a Pentium Dual Core G2020, 4gb RAM, 120gb SSD, Windows 7 - Works great for her
[18:03]<+Mulreay> She has proper game.. what's her handle :-p
[18:03]<+camerongray> haha
[18:03]<+camerongray> Although it's painful for me to use since she has to have the DPI set to something crazy like 200% to be able to see it with the largest cursor possible :P
[18:04]<+Mulreay> DPI is movement yes?
[18:04]<+camerongray> Nah, font scaling
[18:04]<+Mulreay> ahh
[18:04]<+camerongray> So all fonts are 200% size
[18:04]<+camerongray> On a 19" 1280x1024 screen
[18:05]<+Mulreay> I thought you meant the mouse
[18:05]<+camerongray> Ahh
[18:05]<+camerongray> That was the biggest disaster with it recently :P
[18:05]<+camerongray> "Mouse isn't working"
[18:05]<+camerongray> "Have you changed the batteries?"
[18:05]<+camerongray> "Oh"
[18:05]<+Mulreay> lol
[18:06]<+camerongray> This was after the classic of "That new computer is rubbish, it can't log into my Scottish Gas account"
[18:06]<+camerongray> After a lot of trying to work it out I pointed out her email is not @g.mail.com :P
[18:07]<+Mulreay> haha
[18:08]<+Mulreay> To be fair my grandparents would have never even got computers slightly
[18:08]<+camerongray> Yeah, my other granny is like that
[18:08]<+camerongray> I have photos of her TV remotes on my PC
[18:08]<+Mulreay> Not that they wouldn't have understood they just wouldn't have cared
[18:08]<+camerongray> Very good tip actually if you deal with old people, take photos of every button on everything
[18:08]<+camerongray> Same with things like controls on the washing machine
[18:10]<+Mulreay> I like the way you said 'Granny' it's such a UK way of describing them.. and no I'm not trying to buy your 'no' vote but it does make me link with you a little
[18:11]<+camerongray> haha
[18:12]<+Mulreay> Granny is such a UK thing
[18:12]<+camerongray> yeah
[18:13]<+Mulreay> I miss my Grans so much... NEVER take them for granted bud. Just saying
[18:14]<+camerongray> Yeah, I try to see them as much as I can, usually once a week at least
[18:15]<+Mulreay> That's cool
[18:15]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, what are the internet connections like in Malta? :P
[18:16]<+Mulreay> VERY good http://www.melita.com/personal/internet/packages/
[18:16]<+Mulreay> Not great but god
[18:16]<+camerongray> Oh nice, that's good
[18:17]<+camerongray> Expensive but fast
[18:17]<+Mulreay> good*
[18:17]<+Mulreay> Yeah
[18:18]<+Mulreay> Just one company
[18:18]<+camerongray> ahh
[18:19]<+Mulreay> It will be a pain but
[18:19]<+Mulreay> http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20101202/technology/internet-access-in-malta-usage-is-good-speed-is-not.338981
[18:20]<+Mulreay> I will be on a beach
[18:20]<+camerongray> ahh
[18:20]<+camerongray> yeah :P
[18:21]<+camerongray> I recently moved from Virgin 100mbps to Plusnet FTTC: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3697999113
[18:21]<+camerongray> Very happy
[18:21]<+camerongray> Download is lower but Upload is miles better, and I get a Static IP
[18:21]<+Mulreay> I will take the beach every day.. feck the internet.. there are bigger things in life
[18:21]<+camerongray> haha yeah
[18:24]<+Mulreay> I will miss mine
[18:24]<+Mulreay> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3698002767
[18:24]<+camerongray> haha yeah, you got the "free" speed boost
[18:24]<+camerongray> I got pissed off with Virgin when they kept putting the price up
[18:25]<+camerongray> Plusnet also rules for customer service
[18:25]<+Mulreay> They kept putting it down for me as I had been there so lnog.. I just kept phoning and they dropped loads of money off
[18:25]<+camerongray> Ahh
[18:26]<+camerongray> I can't get Virgin in my new flat anyway
[18:26]<+camerongray> But the Openreach FTTC is great
[18:26]<+Mulreay> I pay £40 for that with a landline with 100 free minutes
[18:27]<+camerongray> I could get FTTP On Demand which gives 330 down and 30 up but the installation is several thousand pounds :P
[18:27]<+Mulreay> so a big no then
[18:28]<+camerongray> haha yeah
[18:28]<+camerongray> Then again, it is quite cool to have a dedcated fibre cable for you running through the street
[18:28]<+camerongray> What I have is fast enough :P
[18:29]<+Mulreay> I like the fact that my connection doesn't drop off with silly copper cables
[18:29]<+camerongray> Yeah
[18:29]<+camerongray> Mine is copper but just to the cabinet (same as Virgin)
[18:30]<+Mulreay> Phone lines of course
[18:30]<+camerongray> yeah
[18:30]<+camerongray> It's quite clever how they do it, for ADSL normally use a "DSLAM" at the exchange to connect the phone line to the internet using magic
[18:30]<+camerongray> Issue is that this means it's far away so lower speeds
[18:31]<+camerongray> For FTTC they move the DSLAM out to the street and then connect it to the exchange through Fibre so the distance that the data goes over a phone line for is a few hundred metres rather than for miles
[18:31]<+Mulreay> The fact that the internet has not destroyed the phone baffles me
[18:32]<+camerongray> I'm more amazed that they can push my speeds down a phone line
[18:32]<+camerongray> Even though it's not a massive distance, it's still fairly far
[18:32]<+camerongray> Especially for phone wiring that must be from 1990
[18:33]<@BC_Programming> Just jumping in here
[18:33]<@BC_Programming> All browsers are such immense piles of garbage
[18:33]<+camerongray> haha
[18:34]<@BC_Programming> I WANT TRO PUNCH MY FECKING SCREEN
[18:34]<@BC_Programming> Firefox you giant pile of s**t
[18:34]<@BC_Programming> I can'
[18:34]<+camerongray> hehe
[18:34]<+camerongray> What's it doing?
[18:34]<+camerongray> Or not doing?
[18:34]<+camerongray> Or has done
[18:35]<@BC_Programming> Not letting me type in a textbox without taking about a minute to catch up
[18:35]<+camerongray> ahh
[18:35]<@BC_Programming> And using up 4 Gigs of RAM
[18:35]<@BC_Programming> I have literally 7 tabs open
[18:35]<+Mulreay> I spend more time on the phone with Craig than anyone on the internet.. it does seem weird that we still use phone companies
[18:35]<@BC_Programming> ooooh hmm
[18:35]<@BC_Programming> it was my bank's tab
[18:35]<@BC_Programming> closed that and it's all good
[18:36]<@BC_Programming> probably loaded down with javascript crap or something
[18:36]<+camerongray> Mulreay: That must cost a fortune!
[18:36]<+camerongray> I have a landline phone, no idea what the number is :P
[18:36]<@BC_Programming> ok nevermind still screwy
[18:37]<+camerongray> I've also unplugged the phone because people really seem to want us to get double glazing (We have double glazing and rent the property)
[18:37]<+camerongray> We were also told we should get a conservatory
[18:37]<+Mulreay> Sorry I was distracted by BC_Programming I meant that we talk ALWAYS on skype that I like to call the phone
[18:37]<+camerongray> Which was really funny since we are 3 floors up
[18:37]<+camerongray> ahh
[18:41]<+Mulreay> Oh camerongray another one of my clever friends said that I should make an independense video where I act like a wanker as that would get more views. So it will never happen but there could of been me acting like a knob to make a no point. It seems lots of people still want to act like t1ts.
[18:42]<+camerongray> haha yeah
[18:42]<+camerongray> I can't stand the whole debate :P
[18:43]<+Mulreay> This was a guy who wants the yes vote.. good friend of mine.. never saw it coming he's from perth
[18:43]<+Mulreay> GHe's done this before with me
[20:08]<Tux2> lol, I love people who say that they've tried the troubleshooting and it still doesn't work, but when they submit the report they clearly didn't try everything in the troubleshooting section: http://www.enjin.com/forums/page/1/m/10826/viewthread/14819244-trouble-votifier
[20:09]<@BC_Programming> heheh
[20:09]<@BC_Programming> "I've tried everything!"
[20:09]<@BC_Programming> "Have you tried X?"
[20:09]<@BC_Programming> "No"
[20:09]<@BC_Programming> strange definition of everything lol
[20:09]<Tux2> lol, read the thread and the report
[20:11]<@BC_Programming> oh hey cool you're using that sigbar I made many moons ago
[20:18]<Tux2> lol, yup!
[20:19]<Tux2> I decided since that guy grazed over that last point I was going to make it much more readable...
[20:19]<Tux2> No more wall-of-text
[21:39]<@BC_Programming> interesting, I think I sorted my memory issue, it was because I had processes running for a long time, so their working set was very large
[21:39]<@BC_Programming> I was able to resolve it using
[21:39]<@BC_Programming> RAMMap, and emptying working sets and I went from 13GB to 2GB of used RAM
[21:39]<@BC_Programming> not sure why that information wasn't somehow shown in Process Explorer or Task Manager but now I sadly won't have a good excuse to have a ridiculous 32GB of RAM
[21:50]<Veltas> Pffft, don't need a reason to have 32GB of RAM
[21:51]<Veltas> And if you ever do, just tell them 'Java'.