Session Start: Sun Aug 17 00:00:00 2014 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[18:49]<Quantos> Hey there fellow nerdlings
[18:50]<@BC_Programming> Hey Quantos, you've not been in for a while
[18:50]<Quantos> No, I've spent the last five weeks in the hospital
[18:50]<Quantos> It's good to be home
[18:51]<Quantos> How are you doing?
[18:51]<@BC_Programming> Good, I think I mentioned I got a new boss on Facebook huh
[18:52]<Quantos> I think that you did, it sounds familiar at any rate :)
[18:52]<Quantos> How is that working out?
[18:53]<@BC_Programming> He's great so far, Basically he is going to be the manager of the engineering team whereas before our GM had to deal with us directly and she doesn't really have the technical inclination for that, and it's a lot of overhead
[18:54]<Quantos> So he's more of a middle man or translator?
[18:55]<@BC_Programming> Engineering/Product Manager, he will report to her and we report to him now, and we keep him in the loop on what we are doing
[18:55]<@BC_Programming> Also responsible for giving us work which is nice since I've had to basically look for things to do myself
[18:56]<@BC_Programming> He's also a programmer/developer himself too so he knows stuffs
[18:56]<Quantos> Excellent
[18:56]<@BC_Programming> Also my first freelance project employer contacted me and wanted some new stuff added for a nice fee as well
[18:56]<Quantos> That sounds a lot more efficient as well
[18:57]<Quantos> Great, that will let you shine
[18:57]<@BC_Programming> Which means that for the last three years a Automotive repair shop in Iowa has been using software I wrote as part of their Line of Business
[18:57]<Quantos> Now that's pretty cool
[18:58]<@BC_Programming> Actually it's already done... only problem is that over the years I lost the installer script so I don't have an easy way to build a new installer, lol... as is it works out to like 75$/hr though looks like I'll have to find a way to make a new installer...
[18:59]<Quantos> For that rate you can find a way eh ;)
[18:59]<Quantos> That's a little more than I made as an ironworker at doubletime
[18:59]<@BC_Programming> no it's for a fixed sum, but I've only needed two hours so far
[19:00]<Quantos> So question for you, the installer isn't part of the program then?
[19:00]<@BC_Programming> No
[19:01]<Quantos> Is it standard to be that way?
[19:01]<@BC_Programming> Installer is a completely separate program which would have the task of installing it
[19:01]<Quantos> I've always thought the installers were part of the program, I never thought of it that way
[19:02]<@BC_Programming> usually file management wise they ought to be saved with the source of the program but apparently I didn't do that
[19:03]<@BC_Programming> Pretty sure I saved them to what was then my "D:\" drive, which has failed since
[19:03]<Quantos> Oh, okay - I think I follow that now
[19:05]<@BC_Programming> Basically I used a Program called "Advanced Installer" to build the installer. It creates a ".msi" installer, which is more or less data for Windows to know how to install the program- what it needs, where to put files, etc. so the issue is that I don't have the project file for the installer for that Program
[19:06]<Quantos> Okay. Yeah, that sounds like it's going to be a minor pain in the butt
[19:07]<@BC_Programming> I think I <could> "decompile" the .msi file, I do have the installer uploaded to my website so I could probably do that and just replace all the files inside with the new versions. But I'm almost positive I have it backed up somewhere in my mountain of DVDs or the terrible patchwork of files on my site's FTP
[19:07]<@BC_Programming> I knew my drive was failing even at that time so I made sure it was saved in multiple places, or so I thought
[19:08]<Quantos> As soon as you're done re-writing the installer you'll start tripping over the copies of it. Murphy's Law is a bastard that way
[19:09]<Quantos> LOL, sorry bot
[19:10]<@BC_Programming> yeah that is likely to happen
[19:10]<@BC_Programming> That happened three times with my Expression Evaluation program years ago
[19:10]<@BC_Programming> lost the full source- three years of work gone, tried to find backups... gave up
[19:10]<@BC_Programming> then rewrote it better in 9 hours
[19:11]<@BC_Programming> then that night I used my old thinkpad and found a full copy of the original source there...
[19:11]<@BC_Programming> new version was better though so I certainly had that going for it, heck I still use that Expression evaluator as a calculator with command prompt :P
[19:12]<Quantos> That calculates programming expressions?
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[19:12]<@BC_Programming> no just math
[19:12]<@BC_Programming> eg "bceval 2+2/3" or whatever
[19:12]<Quantos> Oh okay, I wrote one of those in C#, it was just a basic calculator though
[19:13]<@BC_Programming> yeah this was in VB6... I rewrote it in C# but the C# version is full of problems
[19:13]<Quantos> Wait a minute, C# or V#, I can't remember which
[19:13]<@BC_Programming> VB.NET you mean? V# isn't a thing :P
[19:14]<Quantos> Mine was pretty bug free, but like I said, it was pretty basic
[19:14]<Quantos> YES
[19:14]<Quantos> That's it
[19:14]<Quantos> That was many years ago, the memory gets a bit rusty :)
[19:16]<@BC_Programming> my expression evaluator supports too many things I never use. I remember it was practically a programming language and I wrote some "scripts" with it that did stuff like a guessing game even
[19:18]<Quantos> And you re-wrote that in nine hours?
[19:19]<Quantos> I'm impressed
[19:19]<@BC_Programming> no only hte new version did that actually
[19:19]<Quantos> LOL, that must make you happy, you impressed me. Your lifes goal eh?
[19:19]<Quantos> Hehehehe
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[19:28]<@BC_Programming> hmm some of these backup DVDs go back to 2005
[19:29]<Quantos> Archive quality?
[19:29]<@BC_Programming> No they are just DVDs
[19:30]<Quantos> Might be interesting to see what percentage have failed
[19:30]<@BC_Programming> None of them have given me problems before
[19:30]<@BC_Programming> I've accessed CD-R's from 2003 without issue recently
[19:31]<Quantos> Oh really
[19:31]<Quantos> Cool
[19:31]<@BC_Programming> As long as they have physically survived of course :P
[19:31]<Quantos> I've seen quite a few of my old disks fail, but for the longest time I used to just buy the cheapest disks and write them at the fastest speed
[19:35]<@BC_Programming> I jsut realized some of these backups actually predate the purchase of my laptop which I feel like I've had forever
[19:35]<jamer> i got medium quality disks at medium speed
[19:36]<@BC_Programming> I can imagine the packaging "provides average speed and quality. burn at medium speeds"
[19:36]<jamer> XD
[19:37]<@BC_Programming> "do not use in conjunction with alcohol. not recommended for women who are pregnant or nursing"
[19:38]<jamer> welp that excludes my fiance
[19:40]<Quantos> You could use my ex to clean out a wood chipper for all that I care. Cheating little whore
[19:40]<@BC_Programming> heh you know those times you think you remember having something
[19:41]<Quantos> Yeap
[19:41]<@BC_Programming> then you figure "nah must have imagined it"
[19:41]<Quantos> Like our complete relationship
[19:41]<@BC_Programming> for example for a while I thought I had a gigabit ethernet card, could have sworn I bought one but it was nowhere to be found
[19:41]<@BC_Programming> so figured I imagined it
[19:41]<Quantos> Oh, you mean physical items
[19:41]<@BC_Programming> Well what is this disk for a D-link gigabit ethernet then the smoking gun
[19:41]<jamer> my fiance never has cheated ... she doesnt even look at other guys ...
[19:42]<Quantos> I still have an old EISA bus mastering NIC kicking around
[19:42]<@BC_Programming> they all say that
[19:42]<jamer> BC_Programming i know all her passwords
[19:43]<jamer> and shes pregnant
[19:45]<@BC_Programming> my condolences
[20:06]<Quantos> I've got to take the dogs for a walk, back in a bit.
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[20:20]<@BC_Programming> lol our VPN is down
[20:20]<@BC_Programming> better still nobody around knows the password to remotely reboot... but it's in a database available on the VPN heh
[20:22]<jamer> XD
[20:23]<@BC_Programming> well that is my excuse if the invoice voiding doesn't work since I can't test it :P
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[22:32]<@BC_Programming> dang it Quantos
[22:32]<@BC_Programming> you win this round
[22:32]<@BC_Programming> Just sent off the new installer I built, then opened the command prompt where I was searching a disk image for the old installer script
[22:33]<Quantos> This round of what?
[22:33]<@BC_Programming> and of course there it is
[22:33]<@BC_Programming> so just as you said it would appear just as soon as I finish the new installer lol
[22:33]<Quantos> Oh no
[22:33]<Quantos> LOL
[22:33]<Quantos> Murphy's Law, it never fails
[22:34]<@BC_Programming> I ended up decompiling the previous installer itself to try to get the script but had to replace all the files anyway so I basically ended up making a new one
[22:34]<Quantos> The new one is probably more streamlined though
[22:35]<Quantos> and more efficient
[22:35]<@BC_Programming> eh not really, pretty much the same thing
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[22:36]<@BC_Programming> the old one install script still opens fine, lol
[22:36]<Quantos> Cool
[22:36]<Quantos> What version of Windows was it written for?
[22:37]<@BC_Programming> the installer would work on XP through win8 I would expect
[22:37]<Quantos> Nice
[22:37]<@BC_Programming> it would try to install on earlier versions but I made XP a prerequisite
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[22:37]<@BC_Programming> it was before win8 was even a thing but evidently it works on it since I can run that version
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[22:39]<Quantos> I find that pretty interesting
[22:39]<Quantos> But I really don't understand programming that much
[23:12]<Tux2> lol, helping someone code in PHP and saw one of the most classic slipups EVER!
[23:13]<Quantos> ??
[23:13]<@BC_Programming> if($x=5){}
[23:13]<Tux2> http://pastebin.com/rru9jJQt
[23:13]<Tux2> lol, EXACTLY!
[23:14]<Quantos> I don't understand what I'm looking at
[23:14]<@BC_Programming> haha wow good guess
[23:16]<Tux2> lol, yeah. As soon as he showed me that I burst out laughing!
[23:16]<Quantos> What should it look like?
[23:16]<@BC_Programming> "did you try clearing your cache"
[23:16]<Tux2> lol
[23:17]<Tux2> the equals should be two equals signs, as he is trying to compare instead of set the variable
[23:17]<Tux2> Also, on that note he was wondering why the mySQL query only returned the last result in a set with this code: http://pastebin.com/QZqxbMJr
[23:17]<Quantos> Ah, that's interesting
[23:17]<@BC_Programming> oh geez
[23:18]<Tux2> lol, I know, and he's been dabbling in PHP for about 4 years now... :P
[23:19]<Quantos> Now that's funny
[23:19]<@BC_Programming> dabbling is the keyword I suppose
[23:19]<@BC_Programming> "PHP must be capitalist, just look at all the $ signs"
[23:19]<Tux2> lol, exactly, he says he's been programming in PHP since he was around 13-15, however I'd have to say...
[23:20]<Tux2> I started using programmer lingo around him and he got completely lost... I had to go back to basics.
[23:20]<@BC_Programming> "What do you mean when you say "variable" and "function"?
[23:21]<Tux2> lol, exactly
[23:21]<Tux2> as well as "overwriting"
[23:21]<@BC_Programming> oh man that's not even really programmer speak
[23:21]<Tux2> I know, I had to facepalm on that one
[23:22]<Tux2> I guess he's never worked with variables extensively
[23:22]<@BC_Programming> "You're overwriting the variable!" "No I'm not! I'm not even holding a pen!"
[23:22]<Quantos> LOL
[23:23]<Quantos> That's hysterical
[23:23]<Tux2> lol, to his credit he does have one of those disabilities which makes it hard for him to learn stuff, so I was quite surprised when he told me he knows PHP
[23:23]<Quantos> Ah, that must be a real challenge for him
[23:24]<Tux2> Yeah, exactly, so I applaud his effort, it's just hilarious to see those mistakes
[23:24]<Quantos> I don't have a disability and don't know programming
[23:24]<@BC_Programming> Are we sure he had the disability before learning PHP?
[23:24]<Quantos> ROFL
[23:24]<@BC_Programming> because... I mean- PHP, right
[23:24]<Tux2> lol, quite sure
[23:25]<Tux2> He's one of those people that's obsessed with just one or two things, one of those things he's obsessed with is powerlines and streetlights
[23:25]<@BC_Programming> lol
[23:26]<Tux2> http://transmission.galleryoflights.org/ <--- he made this using PHP, which is quite impressive due to his coding experience
[23:27]<Quantos> He's OCD?
[23:27]<Tux2> That's kind of the simplistic way of putting it.
[23:28]<Nat> Tux2: if someone is obsessed with streetlights they would implode if they went to LACMA
[23:28]<Nat> one of the exhibits is just a ton of streetlights right next to each other
[23:28]<Tux2> lol Nat
[23:28]<Tux2> He'd be in HEAVEN!
[23:28]<Nat> let me find a good picture of it
[23:28]<Nat> its actually really cool
[23:29]<Tux2> When I went to his house one time he had to show off his street light collection to me
[23:29]<Quantos> Those things are pretty big, where did he find the room for it?
[23:29]<Quantos> I mean the head of the lamp
[23:30]<Nat> yeah seriously
[23:30]<Nat> http://collections.lacma.org/sites/default/files/remote_images/piction/ma-31225238-WEB.jpg
[23:30]<@BC_Programming> "This is a model 13.4MK4 street lamp. This was first used in Ohio when they replaced the street lamps and Hydgel street. It uses a photoresistive coating on the glass, and as we can see here it uses a model 7 type photoreflector... Now Josh pay attention because this is where it get's interesting..."
[23:30]<Nat> its really awesome at night. curious in the day time at best
[23:30]<Tux2> lol, I know, they are HUGE up close. His parents have a basement so he keeps some of it down there.
[23:31]<Tux2> lol BC_Programming
[23:32]<Tux2> Nice Nat!
[23:33]<Quantos> That's pretty cool
[23:35]<Tux2> Another thing, when I went to his house his parents were extremely happy and thanked me for taking the time to hang out with him and be his friend. One of those "he doesn't have that many friends because of the way he is"
[23:36]<Quantos> That is really sad, and no - I'm not being sarcastic
[23:39]<Nat> Tux2: how old is he?
[23:40]<Tux2> Not quite sure, but I think he's out of highschool
[23:41]<Tux2> I know Quantos, it really is, because some of the most brilliant and talented people I've met are those which have a disability of some kind.
[23:43]<Quantos> It just shows how self centered people are, they aren't even willing to give him a chance
[23:44]<Tux2> Exactly
[23:47]<Tux2> Funny thing about him is that I didn't even know what disability he had, just that he was kind of odd before I went to his house.
[23:50]<Tux2> It's kind of hard to connect and talk about stuff with him due to his narrow focus on stuff that he likes, but that just makes it more of a challenge
[23:53]<Tux2> I should probably pop in and pay him a visit next time I'm in Denver and say Hi!