Session Start: Sun Apr 20 00:00:00 2014 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
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[09:13]<PCdoc> camerongray: My frnd wants to run 5-6 virtual machines for some software developing. I suggested he shld go for Core i7?
[09:13]<+camerongray> RAM is the most important thing but yeah, if he is running them at once then an i7 would be a good idea too
[09:14]<PCdoc> He himself asked for 32GB
[09:14]<+camerongray> Ahh cool
[09:14]<+camerongray> With a real power supply this time?
[09:14]<PCdoc> Cooler Master
[09:14]<+camerongray> And not an Intel motherboard?
[09:14]<+camerongray> :P
[09:15]<+camerongray> Which CoolerMaster - They are very mixed between good and terrible
[09:15]<PCdoc> camerongray: since the first day you told me difference between Intel mobo and other's I have started suggesting Gigabyte and Asus :)
[09:15]<+camerongray> lol, I've seen lots of things since then that you've put Intel in :P
[09:15]<PCdoc> completely Stopped Intel mobo
[09:15]<+camerongray> Just take care with Coolermaster PSUs, they can be a bit mixed
[09:16]<+camerongray> Basically, look up PSU reviews on JohnnyGuru - They properly test them and take them apart rather than the general approach of "I plugged it in and it worked, 5 stars"
[09:16]<PCdoc> The regional ditributor of Cooler Master here says he should go for 450W
[09:16]<+camerongray> What video card?
[09:16]<PCdoc> onboard
[09:17]<PCdoc> the motherboard is Gigabyte Z87D3HP
[09:17]<+camerongray> Nice!
[09:17]<+camerongray> Just watch some of the really basic coolermaster ones - They aren't great
[09:17]<PCdoc> cost like 11,500 INR
[09:17]<+camerongray> 450w is plenty though
[09:17]<PCdoc> 1TB HDD
[09:17]<+camerongray> Do you get Seasonic or XFX units over there?
[09:17]<PCdoc> and cooler master cabinet
[09:18]<+camerongray> You can't really go wrong with any PSUs from Seasonic/XFX
[09:18]<PCdoc> XFX graphics card I have heard of, but Seasonic brand I have not heard here
[09:18]<+camerongray> Ahh, they make some of the best PSUs
[09:18]<PCdoc> and that brand what u call, Antec or something like that /
[09:18]<PCdoc> ? *
[09:18]<+camerongray> Yeah, Antec are okay
[09:19]<+camerongray> JohnnyGuru is your best source of PSU reviews
[09:19]<PCdoc> no, its 420Watt
[09:19]<+camerongray> 420w is more than enough for that build
[09:19]<PCdoc> TM420TSART3, thats what hi dictated
[09:19]<PCdoc> he *
[09:19]<+camerongray> It would be happy with a solid 250w unit
[09:20]<PCdoc> that's CM model number
[09:21]<PCdoc> may be I heard wrong over the phone
[09:21]<PCdoc> I wonder if it is cooler master TM 420 pmsr
[09:21]<+camerongray> Hmm, can't see any info on that other than a very dodgy looking "Thermal Master" branded one
[09:21]<+camerongray> Those Coolermaster units are very basic really
[09:22]<PCdoc> How foolish of me :( it cheaper than Circle .. would have installed CM instead of circle :-s
[09:22]<PCdoc> in last builds
[09:22]<PCdoc> yeah, but last builds had graphic cards
[09:23]<+camerongray> lol
[09:23]<+camerongray> Those CM units aren't that good
[09:23]<+camerongray> Of course they are better than things like Circle that are lethal pieces of junk - At least CM have a reputation to withold
[09:23]<+camerongray> uphold*
[09:24]<PCdoc> He also told me Gygabyte H87 and Asus B85MG
[09:24]<PCdoc> And core i7 is 4770
[09:25]<+camerongray> Either of those is fine if you don't want to have the potential to overclock
[09:25]<+camerongray> For overclocking you need a 4770k and Z87 board
[09:25]<PCdoc> umm I doesnt know what is over-clocking so he might not want to do it.
[09:25]<+camerongray> What?...
[09:25]<+camerongray> You don't know what overclocking is...
[09:26]<PCdoc> sorry, I meant I dont think he knows over-clocking ***
[09:26]<+camerongray> Ahh
[09:26]<PCdoc> my brain sometimes disconnects with my fingers :(
[09:26]<+camerongray> I was worried there :P
[09:26]<PCdoc> sync problems
[09:26]<PCdoc> they lagg
[09:26]<PCdoc> :P
[09:26]<+camerongray> hehe
[09:27]<PCdoc> if z87 is for over-clocked processors?? Then suggesting him to go for z87d3hp is not worth it?
[09:27]<+camerongray> It will allow you to overclock yes
[09:28]<+camerongray> They tend to have more features too but nothing they will really need
[09:28]<PCdoc> but the processor is not a 'k'
[09:28]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah, no real need to get a Z87 board without a k CPU
[09:28]<+camerongray> B85 is probably your best bet for a business-type system
[09:29]<PCdoc> costs 6,600 INR
[09:29]<+camerongray> Just make sure the board has 4 RAM slots, some of the B85 ones are MicroATX and only have 2
[09:31]<PCdoc> oh yeah ! yes thanks for reminding .. :P Once I built a core i3 machine, he already had a Circle gaming cabinet for his C2D machine. I bought an Intel mobo (before the time we discussed about builds)
[09:31]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[09:31]<+camerongray> Intel board aren't bad, they are just very expensive for the limited features you get
[09:31]<PCdoc> I had to run back to replace that mobo because that mobo didnt have more than 2 front USB ports
[09:31]<PCdoc> didnt allow *
[09:31]<+camerongray> Ahh
[09:31]<+camerongray> Wow
[09:32]<+camerongray> Also don't worry about going MicroATX - It's a completely viable platform nowadays
[09:32]<+camerongray> I mean,you can easily do two way SLI on mATX!
[09:33]<PCdoc> but will the mobo etc fit in those Towers ?
[09:34]<PCdoc> I mean it is core i7
[09:34]<PCdoc> it will require proper cooling system ?
[09:34]<PCdoc> btw, I asked the distributor for unlock processor prices, he warned me I will have to go for liquid cooling if installing K type processors
[09:39]<+camerongray> Wow!
[09:39]<+camerongray> That guy is a complete IDIOT!
[09:40]<@BC_Programming> I don't suppose the stock cooler is any good for overclocking
[09:40]<+camerongray> Give me a min, trying to comprehind the ammount of wrongness in his statement :P
[09:40]<+camerongray> BC_Programming: nah
[09:40]<+camerongray> The k series CPUs run at the same temp as the non-k ones unless you overclock them
[09:40]<+camerongray> And there is no need for a liquid cooler if you overclock, a decent air cooler will do the job absolutely fine!
[09:41]<+camerongray> I'd run a mile from that "distributor" - Clearly knows nothing
[09:41]<+camerongray> Sounds like DB - Doesn't know so makes it up from little bits of info he's heard
[09:41]<PCdoc> or may be he transformed himself from a technical guy into "selling guy" ??
[09:42]<@BC_Programming> the transformation would have been from idiot to moron
[09:42]<PCdoc> hahahaha
[09:42]<PCdoc> =))
[09:42]<+camerongray> haha yeah, that makes sense
[09:43]<PCdoc> but I admire him a little because he knows 'something' as compared to other sales person / distributors in my city. He may sometimes talk like a moron like he said this one
[09:44]<PCdoc> these other dist. are like if you ask them if the mobo has ddr2 or ddr3 slot ? (as an example) they wont even know that
[09:48]<+camerongray> Ahh
[09:48]<+camerongray> I just wouldn't ask them anything - Just do your own research
[09:55]<+camerongray> Same with all the PC stores here, they say stuff that somewhat makes sense but it's usually nonsense they are making up
[09:56]<@BC_Programming> "Sounds like you need more RAM" is their code for "I have no idea what the problem is but I can probably sell you something"
[09:57]<+camerongray> yep!
[09:58]<+camerongray> The classic was when I overheard "Oh, Ah've never heard o' that Solaris hingy, Ah've only ever sold Windows computers, these are all Windows mouses, we dinnae dae Solaris mouses"
[09:58]<PCdoc> It is sometimes the customer's communication problem also. Like I sometimes get a call saying My computer does not turn on. When I ask 'turn on' means what ? no power or OS does not boot. Then they say OS does not boot
[09:58]<@BC_Programming> "You better buy more RAM because of windows workspace"
[09:59]<+camerongray> Or the time the "Logitech Specialist" tried to sell my mum both a mouse for her iPad and a keyboard for her laptop in the same day!
[09:59]<PCdoc> Now here, If I had continued with there comp does not "turn on", the diagnostic may have taken different route
[09:59]<+camerongray> I'm not actually kidding!
[10:00]<+camerongray> When my mum said "but my laptop already has a keyboard" they responded, that's fine, just put this one on top of it
[10:00]<+camerongray> At that point I had to run and hide in the printer section before I erupted in laughter
[10:00]<PCdoc> loool
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[11:59]<@BC_Programming> hmm
[12:00]<@BC_Programming> my old PC's CPU fan swivel-majigs are definitely more tricky than the new one
[12:00]<@BC_Programming> decided to try to get rid of some of that dust
[12:00]<@BC_Programming> had to take it off for that and do the whole re-paste dance
[12:00]<@BC_Programming> but it was definitely a bigger PITA to get back on and I'm not even sure I did it right
[12:01]<@BC_Programming> I basically just put it back together and left it in the corner because I can do that now
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[14:43]<Mulreay> Whadup peeps
[14:44]<@BC_Programming> well apparently my Bank Card use is limited?
[14:44]<Mulreay> I'm not sure what you are asking
[15:07]<@BC_Programming> That shouldn't have been a question oops
[15:08]<Mulreay> How is it limited
[15:08]<@BC_Programming> well it wouldn't let me use it for a pizza
[15:09]<@BC_Programming> it was just all "use magnetic stripe" and then I used that and it's all "use chip reader"
[15:09]<@BC_Programming> and when it finally worked it just said "Card use Limited"
[15:10]<@BC_Programming> I have a suspect on the cause and the solution is to stop letting other people use my card
[15:10]<Mulreay> Sounds like a bank thing where they stop your ability to use the card if they think there is erroneous activity
[15:11]<@BC_Programming> yeah and when I went to login immediately after to see my balance it was all "what is your favourite flavour ice cream" and stuff, security questions
[15:12]<@BC_Programming> probably doesn't help that my mum took 500 out using one of those crappy convenience store ATMs
[15:13]<Mulreay> Still propping up the family then
[15:13]<@BC_Programming> 1860 in the last month, twice what the actual rent is
[15:14]<Mulreay> Wow, nothing I can offer about that.. damn that's a lot
[15:14]<@BC_Programming> yeah I never really noticed, I just added it up yesterday to check
[15:15]<Mulreay> You need to bail
[15:15]<@BC_Programming> I guess it's cool that I can not notice I guess
[15:16]<+camerongray> Hey Mulreay & BC_Programming
[15:16]<@BC_Programming> hey camerongray
[15:17]<Mulreay> hey camerongray
[15:19]<@BC_Programming> 300,40.17,500,100,200,200,400,200 debits in the last 30 days that weren't me
[15:20] * @BC_Programming makes mental note also to change PIN
[15:20]<Mulreay> WTF are you giving them your card?
[15:22]<+camerongray> Wow!
[15:23]<Mulreay> That's $1940.17 how much do you earn that you would not notice that in a month.
[15:23]<@BC_Programming> 3,871 total credit in the same time span
[15:24]<Mulreay> Credit?
[15:24]<@BC_Programming> opposite of debit :P eg deposits
[15:26]<Mulreay> Ahh, OK got it.. well your choice to allow them.
[15:27]<@BC_Programming> yeah I would be fine with it except it has now affected my ability to get Pizza
[15:27]<@BC_Programming> That is a line one shan't dare cross
[15:28]<Mulreay> Or you open another account and transfer a set amount of money.. give them the cash card and state 'when it's gone, it's gone'
[15:28]<@BC_Programming> ugh opening an account requires an appointment and stuff
[15:29]<Mulreay> You just do it online here these days
[15:29]<@BC_Programming> nah tried that, but actually I'll try that again now
[15:30]<Mulreay> Open a second account with your current bank
[15:30]<@BC_Programming> yeah that's what I meant by "tried that" can't remember why it wouldn't let me though
[15:31]<@BC_Programming> I'm trying it now though because that is a good suggestion
[15:40]<@BC_Programming> oh that's interesting, when I filled it out and applied it said their system was having issues, could be the actual cause
[16:04]<@BC_Programming> well at least nobody hacked it I guess
[16:05]<@BC_Programming> so what's up with you guys anyways
[16:08]<+camerongray> Studying
[16:08]<@BC_Programming> exciting
[16:08]<@BC_Programming> are you studying the history of doge
[16:08]<+camerongray> I wish
[16:09]<+camerongray> Studying Gaussian Classification
[16:09]<@BC_Programming> I have no idea what that is
[16:09]<+camerongray> I'm also thirsty but the vending machines are 4 floors down
[16:10]<+camerongray> This: http://www.inf.ed.ac.uk/teaching/courses/inf2b/learnnotes/inf2b-learn-note08-2up.pdf
[16:12]<@BC_Programming> I'd fail
[16:14]<+camerongray> haha
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[17:11]<Mulreay> I fixed my PC, wow this is epic I actually did it..
[17:12]<Mulreay> G'night peeps :-)
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[17:12]<@BC_Programming> X-Fi sounds like 100x better than the on-board IMO
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[19:10]<Mulreay> Next time I fix this computer I will make a HUGE deal of it..
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[19:16]<@BC_Programming> what was wrong with it
[19:19]<Mulreay> Everything
[19:20]<@BC_Programming> I hate when everything happens
[19:20]<Mulreay> I had Craig helping me.. I bet he face palmed
[19:21]<Mulreay> I've held back... OK give me a few minutes
[19:21]<@BC_Programming> too bad there isn't a pill for getting a full night's sleep, that would be awesome
[19:22]<@BC_Programming> I mean sure sleeping pills but I mean without the, uh... sleeping part
[19:23]<Mulreay> New 3tb HDD wouldn't work due to MBR etc and my 2 x 1tb would cause my PC to go into a loop on boot so when it started it would restart after about 5 seconds... but I think I fixed it
[19:23]<@BC_Programming> you are a magnet for weird PC issues sometimes huh
[19:26]<Mulreay> Yeah., it turned out to be the cables
[19:26]<@BC_Programming> yes yo ucan just imagine them cackling evilly as you rule out every single other thing- nobody expects it to be the cables
[19:27]<@BC_Programming> at least not something like that
[19:27]<Mulreay> I bought some 'red' clour coded cables and they seem to be the worst thing ever as they bottle necked the connection
[19:27]<Mulreay> So many ways to say coloured
[19:28]<Mulreay> I changed them for the ones that came with the PSU and everything worked sooooooooo much faster
[19:28]<@BC_Programming> I tried to make a joke about negroes and the use of the word coloured here but I failed so pretend I said something humourous using that as a base
[19:30]<Mulreay> hahahhahahahaha I imagined your joke.. was soo funny
[19:31]<@BC_Programming> thanks, I do try
[19:32]<Mulreay> Well if you didn't try then it would just be horrible.
[19:32]<@BC_Programming> like the holocaust

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Session Start: Sun Apr 20 20:00:20 2014 Session Ident: #glitchpc [20:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[20:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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