Session Start: Tue Mar 25 00:00:00 2014 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
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Session Start: Tue Mar 25 10:29:31 2014 Session Ident: #glitchpc [10:29] * Now talking in #glitchpc
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[10:58]<Craig> Hahahaha, I think the Gigabit Realtek connection on my gateway is dying.
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[11:12]<@BC_Programming> what a load of bullcrap
[11:12]<@BC_Programming> I fecking HATE BUILDING PCS
[11:12]<@BC_Programming> put the wrong screw because this thermaltake case has the worst damn manual
[11:13]<@BC_Programming> now it's stuck in the motherboard and I can't get it out to put the correct screw in
[11:13]<@BC_Programming> meanwhile everything is making a constant snapping sound
[11:13]<@BC_Programming> regret this bull
[11:15]<@BC_Programming> not that it would matter anyway because once again I made the mistake of buying a piece of shit thermaltake case so the SATA ports apparently come out perpendicular to the board flush with the drive cage making them completely inaccessible
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[14:32]<BC_Programmer> well I got it working, installed windows 8 and.... Secondary 4TB drive doesn't appear in explorer despite showing up in the BIOS
[14:35]<Craig> Can you see it in Diskpart?
[14:39]<BC_Programmer> no it wasn't there or in disk management
[14:39]<BC_Programmer> good news though
[14:39]<BC_Programmer> after I installed the chipset drivers it showed up when I rebooted
[14:39]<Craig> Hahaha I was just about to ask :P
[14:39]<BC_Programmer> I guess GPT needs that installed? Didn't know that
[14:40]<BC_Programmer> At least I don't have to worry that it suffered a particularly badly timed failure
[14:42]<BC_Programmer> this 770GTX barely fits in my case! I didn't realize how insane it was
[14:51]<Craig> Did you get that screw out of the MB>?
[14:51]<BC_Programmer> oh yes I used the wrong screw as I mentioned
[14:51]<Craig> Sometimes they have coarse and fine threaded standoffs.
[14:51]<BC_Programmer> wasn't coming out because it was stuck in the holdoff
[14:51]<Craig> Yeah
[14:51]<BC_Programmer> held the holdoff from the other side with a pair of pliers and was able to get it out
[14:51]<Craig> They really should only have fine thread or coarse, but sometimes you get a mix, screws with your head.
[14:52]<Craig> yeah thats what I would have suggested.
[14:53]<Craig> You may be a programming genious, sometimes though some help from a friend can be useful :P
[14:55]<BC_Programmer> ok heres something
[14:56]<BC_Programmer> can't seem the get audio
[14:56]<BC_Programmer> ok nvm
[14:56]<Craig> hahaha, can you reword that :P
[14:56]<BC_Programmer> was choosing the wrong speaker set or something
[14:58]<BC_Programmer> now to install macrium reflect and mount my image
[14:58]<Craig> Yeah, depends on the bios settings too, as to if your front panel audio will recognize properly as well. :P
[14:59]<BC_Programmer> well it was showing an indicator and asking me to choose what I plugged in
[14:59]<BC_Programmer> I kept choosing Center/subwoofer but apparently standard would be front
[14:59]<Craig> hahahahahaah
[15:00]<BC_Programmer> Could have saved myself bother if I used my X-Fi from my old machine
[15:00]<Craig> :P
[15:00]<Craig> yeah probably
[15:01]<BC_Programmer> though it's standard PCI and don't really want to use that, on-board Audio will almost certainly be at least as good I think
[15:01]<Craig> Yeah their not that powerful unless your speakers are 400$ or more, and headphones worth 150 or morw
[15:01]<Craig> more*
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[15:11]<BC_Programmer> Macrium Reflect is quite excellent
[15:16]<jamer> Stupid amd vs nvidia chipsets ... Cant get any data off my old drives
[15:16]<BC_Programmer> Why not?
[15:16]<jamer> Old drives in raid
[15:17]<BC_Programmer> oh
[15:17]<jamer> New computer has nvidia chipset
[15:22]<+camerongray> BC_Programmer: Nice! Did you get that screw sorted?
[15:22]<+camerongray> jamer: That's why I always either use fully software RAID or a proper hardware controller
[15:22]<BC_Programmer> yeah it had stuck to the standoff so when I was unscrewing it I was actually unscrewing the standoff
[15:23]<+camerongray> BC_Programmer: ahh cool
[15:23]<+camerongray> No real reason to use FakeRAID
[15:23]<+camerongray> Well, except for running multiple OSs I suppose
[15:24]<BC_Programmer> I tried booting it up without connecting anything first, got a single beep, was worried
[15:24]<BC_Programmer> cable management is pretty much impossible, the case has a massive dividing line in the form of the ridiculously massive video card
[15:25]<+camerongray> Ahh, no space behind the mobo tray?
[15:25]<BC_Programmer> yeah 6 hard drive cages there
[15:25]<+camerongray> Nah, physically behind the motherboard
[15:25]<+camerongray> That's the best place to run cables
[15:25]<jamer> camerongray it was hardware raid on motherboard
[15:26]<+camerongray> jamer: That's FakeRAID then - Stilll uses the CPU to do the RAID operations
[15:26]<+camerongray> Proper RAID requires a fancy RAID controller which would most likely be large and have a pretty big heatsink
[15:26]<jamer> True lol
[15:27]<BC_Programmer> The boot is ridiculously fast
[15:27]<+camerongray> Nice!
[15:27]<BC_Programmer> if I have the disc tray open for example it will close it when it first starts but before it's even closed I'm at the desktop
[15:27]<+camerongray> wow!
[15:28]<jamer> Eh .. No big data was lost
[15:29]<+camerongray> Big data!
[15:29]<+camerongray> He said big data!
[15:29]<BC_Programmer> in the cloud
[15:29]<+camerongray> With synergy
[15:29]<jamer> camerongray just games that was lost :p
[15:29]<+camerongray> If you say Big Data in a serious context at work you are liable to get a stapler chucked at you
[15:30]<BC_Programmer> I think jamer meant important data
[15:30]<jamer> Lol
[15:30]<jamer> BC_Programmer hit it first
[15:31]<BC_Programmer> ugh now to setup E-mail
[15:33]<BC_Programmer> lol
[15:34]<BC_Programmer> I love errors that tell you to give weird responses in "the next dialog"
[15:34]<BC_Programmer> "You have changed the location of your outlook data file, this change requires you to restart outlook. To exit and restart outlook, click ok on this and the next dialog box
[15:40]<BC_Programmer> I think it runs cooler than my other machine
[15:40]<BC_Programmer> though it has the benefit of not being caked in dust
[15:41]<+camerongray> It should do - Parts will be a lot more efficient
[15:42]<BC_Programmer> I like how the PSU only powers it's fan when it is under more than a certain load/temp
[15:42]<+camerongray> Yeah
[15:42]<+camerongray> Was it the RM you went for in the end?
[15:42]<BC_Programmer> RM650
[15:42]<+camerongray> cool!
[15:43]<BC_Programmer> oooh I need to try Minecraft
[15:43]<BC_Programmer> Visual Studio and stuff first
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[17:06]<+camerongray> Hey Quantos
[17:06]<Quantos> Heya man
[17:06]<@BC_Programming> Hey Quantos
[17:06]<@BC_Programming> on my new build now :D
[17:06]<Quantos> Excellent
[17:06]<Quantos> Liking it?
[17:07]<@BC_Programming> yeah just installing everything
[17:07]<Quantos> Cool, what a monster
[17:07]<@BC_Programming> Also points to Macrium Reflect, bloody awesome program
[17:07]<Quantos> Yeah, it is
[17:07]<@BC_Programming> I now have what was my previous boot drive in my other computer as a mounted image, so I can copy things to the new install
[17:08]<Quantos> Good, nothing like doing it the easy way.
[17:08]<+camerongray> I'll need to upgrade mine now :P
[17:08]<Quantos> Heheheh
[17:08]<@BC_Programming> well that is only really useful for data of course :P
[17:09]<@BC_Programming> The graphics card barely fits in the case
[17:09]<Quantos> Which one did you get?
[17:11]<jamer> Quantos you started me saying eh
[17:11]<@BC_Programming> http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8245492
[17:11]<Quantos> You can't blame that on me eh?
[17:11]<@BC_Programming> yeah what's wrong with that guy?
[17:12]<@BC_Programming> with that, guy*
[17:12]<@BC_Programming> comma's are important
[17:13]<Quantos> I like coma's
[17:13]<Quantos> That's quite the GPU, but I just don't understand why they insist on giving two DVI plugs and only one HDMI
[17:14]<@BC_Programming> HDMI is patented, they have to pay a license fee to use it
[17:14]<@BC_Programming> it might be per use or something
[17:14]<Quantos> So, it's not like they're giving these cards away
[17:15]<jamer> Ive got an hdmi dvi and vga on one slot lol
[17:15]<@BC_Programming> my monitor only has VGA
[17:15]<+camerongray> DVI is potentially more useful IMO
[17:15]<+camerongray> Since you can still convert it to HDMI and in some cases VGA
[17:16]<jamer> It supports dvi-a and dvi-d
[17:16]<+camerongray> And since both are dual link you would be able to run two >1200p monitors from it - Can't go that high resolution with current HDMI
[17:16]<Quantos> This is true
[17:17]<+camerongray> I wish displayport monitors were more common - It's easily the most versitile interface
[17:17]<@BC_Programming> I was thinking of getting the Ebay monitor that had more connections despite your warnings
[17:17]<+camerongray> Ahh, hmm
[17:18]<+camerongray> Best to speak to Calum
[17:18]<@BC_Programming> mostly can't decide between the tempered glass and matte
[17:18]<+camerongray> Ahh
[17:18]<+camerongray> I have matte, good in terms of reflection but colours aren't as good and it can be a bit "grainy"
[17:18]<+camerongray> Depends what you need it for
[17:19]<jamer> I like matte
[17:19]<@BC_Programming> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Achieva-Shimian-QH2700-IPSMS-Edge-Eco-Perfect-Pixel-27-1440p-AH-IPS-LED-Monitor-/131040267973?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item1e829bcec5
[17:19]<@BC_Programming> I think that has fewer connections, couldn't find any details
[17:19]<+camerongray> For good looking images you'd be best with glossy but for practicality in terms of reflections and smudging you'd be better with matte
[17:19]<@BC_Programming> is matte like the plastic on most LCD monitors?
[17:20]<+camerongray> err
[17:20]<+camerongray> It's the non shiny one
[17:20]<+camerongray> I was setting up a 1440p monitor - It had VGA as well as other ports
[17:20]<+camerongray> Really wish I'd tried it :P
[17:21]<@BC_Programming> I think that resolution is way beyond what VGA can do
[17:21]<+camerongray> Doubt it would have gone up to 1440p but if it did I'd love to see how bad it looked
[17:23]<@BC_Programming> I wonder if I could use the Intel HD Graphics at the same time
[17:23]<+camerongray> Quantos: WRT before - At uni right now sitting with two identical monitors - One on DVI and one on VGA - Really can see the difference
[17:23]<+camerongray> BC_Programming: You can but not sure how it does for the performance
[17:23]<@BC_Programming> It's like comparing composite to... uh, anything I guess
[17:24]<+camerongray> BC_Programming: Yeah, I'm refering to before when Quantos said there was no quality difference
[17:24]<+camerongray> The text on the VGA looks slighly fuzzier
[17:24]<@BC_Programming> Oh with VGA? oh heavens
[17:24]<Quantos> I have an HDMI and a VGA side by side and the difference is actually in favor of the VGA
[17:24]<Quantos> Both are running 1080
[17:25]<+camerongray> Identical monitors?
[17:25]<@BC_Programming> VGA is for Analog- so with LCDs it's dual coding- Video card encodes to a VGA Analog signal, then the display decodes that analog signal and turns it back to digital
[17:25]<Quantos> Matched
[17:25]<+camerongray> It's annoying - Here all the good i5 machines have VGA monitors and the old Core 2 Duo ones use DVI
[17:25]<Quantos> DOH
[17:25]<+camerongray> Most annoying one is the crappy Core 2 machine with a 1600x1200 ultrasharp
[17:26]<jamer> O.o
[17:26]<Quantos> I think there'd be an IT difficulty with that machine keeping it's display ;)
[17:26]<@BC_Programming> "And don't get me started on the Altair they have hooked to the wall-screen"
[17:26]<+camerongray> haha
[17:26]<+camerongray> Unfortunatelly they are all chained down so I can't swap it
[17:27]<Quantos> It's like they suspected something like that would happen
[17:27]<+camerongray> haha
[17:27]<+camerongray> And the ultrasharp is VGA - arg!
[17:27]<jamer> Lol none of our monitors or anythig is chained
[17:28]<+camerongray> All the machines uni wide are
[17:28]<@BC_Programming> just googled though, VGA has no upper resolution limit
[17:28]<@BC_Programming> which I guess makes sense given what it is for
[17:28]<+camerongray> BC_Programming: Oh - Need to try it then, see how bad it looks!
[17:28]<+camerongray> Probably some insurance thing
[17:28]<Quantos> Oh maybe eh
[17:29]<+camerongray> The building is open 24/7 and unstaffed
[17:29]<Quantos> Yeah, I'd want everything chained down too then
[17:31]<@BC_Programming> for VGA display it comes down to the DACs involved, both on the graphics card and the Monitor being used- naturally higher resolutions means faster and more accurate DACs on both sides
[17:31]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[17:31]<Quantos> Yeah
[17:31]<+camerongray> So I suppose it'll vary based on the machine and monitor used quite a lot
[17:32]<+camerongray> But thie digital interfaces are much more consistant I find
[17:32]<+camerongray> And the cables work out cheaper
[17:32]<+camerongray> With VGA you need a good cable - With DVI I just use the cheapest I can find
[17:32]<Quantos> Well, you don't gain an advantage with the $75
[17:32]<Quantos> That gold connector on HDMI is just so much fluff
[17:33]<+camerongray> Not that high, but between a £1 cable and one more expensive
[17:33]<@BC_Programming> Both Graphics cards use PI Filters on the DAC output before sending it through to reduce EMI, which usually makes things look pretty bad at resolutions higher than 1280x1024 or so
[17:33]<+camerongray> For VGA
[17:33]<@BC_Programming> Both should be "Most"
[17:33]<+camerongray> For DVI I get the cheapest
[17:33]<+camerongray> I buy HDMI cables from the pound shop
[17:33]<jamer> O.o
[17:34]<Quantos> Is that like a
[17:34]<+camerongray> 1.2m HDMI for £1
[17:34]<Quantos> 'everything for a dollar store'?
[17:34]<+camerongray> Yeah
[17:34]<Quantos> I had visions of you buying pot by the pound
[17:35]<@BC_Programming> well he can't buy it by the dollar
[17:35]<Quantos> LOL, what a deal that would be
[17:35]<Quantos> I'd be moving
[17:35]<+camerongray> errr... okay...
[17:37]<@BC_Programming> heh Minecraft runs ridiculously well
[17:37]<+camerongray> lol, nice!
[17:38]<@BC_Programming> 60 fps on the maximum view distance
[17:38]<+camerongray> nice! Bit of a step up then :P
[17:39]<Quantos> Cool, do a video of it, I'd be interested in seeing it
[17:39]<@BC_Programming> mostly looking forward to when I do get a new monitor to 1440p
[17:39]<+camerongray> Oh yeah - Such a big difference
[17:39]<@BC_Programming> my current horizontal resolution will be the vertical resolution
[17:40]<@BC_Programming> not to mention it will be larger and it will be using a better connection interface
[17:41]<+camerongray> Yeah
[17:41]<+camerongray> I can easily have 4 things up at once
[17:41]<+camerongray> Like Text editor, browser, IRC and terminal - Doesn't even feel cramped
[17:42]<@BC_Programming> Hmm I guess when I do get a new monitor I could actually use this monitor as a secondary
[17:43]<@BC_Programming> also this motherboard has eSATA as well as something internally called "gSATA"
[17:43]<@BC_Programming> don't know what that is, probably something proprietary
[17:43]<Quantos> I love the dual 24" setup that I have, sure bigger would be nicer, but I've almost got 4' of width
[17:44]<@BC_Programming> " but I've almost got 4' of width" ... does that frighten the ladies?
[17:45]<Quantos> LOL
[17:45]<Quantos> I wondered what the screaming was about
[17:50]<+camerongray> gSATA uses a third party chipset
[17:50]<@BC_Programming> I dodn't plug anything into them but the chipset drivers did install something related to them
[17:50]<+camerongray> Yeah
[17:51]<+camerongray> Leave them until last - The Intel ports are better
[17:51]<@BC_Programming> Also now I can finally virtualize OS/2 Warp
[17:51]<+camerongray> haha
[17:51]<Quantos> So what's the difference between eSATA and gSATA?
[17:51]<+camerongray> Quantos: Completely different :P
[17:51]<+camerongray> eSATA is the external port - gSATA is just what gigabyte call the SATA ports that don't use the Intel Chipset
[17:51]<Quantos> Really? I've not heard of gSATA before
[17:52]<Quantos> Oh okay
[17:52]<@BC_Programming> eSATA is just external SATA. gSATA is just a separate controller
[17:52]<Quantos> Yeah, I know what eSATA is, that's my external drive
[17:52]<@BC_Programming> I don't like where my SATA ports are.. sticking off the Motherboard sideways
[17:52]<Quantos> I love that over USB
[17:53]<+camerongray> BC_Programming: They work better for routing behind the motherboard tray
[17:53]<+camerongray> And for having lots of video cards - If they stick up from the board the cables can get stuck under long video cards
[17:54]<@BC_Programming> I found them a pain in the butt because the SATA connectors were right underneath the end of the Graphics card, and there was very little room between the SATA connections and the Hard drive cages
[17:55]<@BC_Programming> of course the video card only got in the way when I had to adjust the connections later
[17:57]<Quantos> Check this out guys http://quantos.imgur.com/all//embed#16
[18:01]<@BC_Programming> now to decide what to do with my 8 logical processors
[18:10]<@BC_Programming> and the BIOS screens are insane
[18:10]<@BC_Programming> graphical interface with mouse support
[18:12]<@BC_Programming> And for the boot order there is this little click menu with pictures
[18:42]<@BC_Programming> the directions in the CPU manual are terrible
[18:42]<@BC_Programming> Motherboard manual instructions are good
[19:23]<Craig> WOOT my UniFi AP arrived! Woot
[19:24]<Craig> ... now, I just need to figure out how to talk to it, and then configure it. :P
[19:24]<Craig> So far SSH works. but I don't know the passwords.
[19:24]<@BC_Programming> UniFi AP? Access Point?
[19:26]<@BC_Programming> huh this is odd, for some reason my IP keeps getting identified as being in Quebec
[19:26]<@BC_Programming> I checked and I'm not in Quebec
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