Session Start: Sun Mar 23 00:00:00 2014 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[09:37]<PCdoc> Is this realtime true or fake? http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/22257
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[15:50]<Whadup> Hey peeps it's Graham
[15:51]<@BC_Programming> whadup
[15:51]<Whadup> touche
[15:51]<Whadup> I was incognito
[15:51]<@BC_Programming> how are things your end?
[15:52]<Whadup> as I was wandering channels
[15:52]<Whadup> Good thanks, working in London at the moment.. how are you?
[15:53]<@BC_Programming> great, new PC parts should come tommorrow and the day after
[15:53]<@BC_Programming> knowing me it will be another week before I actually build it lol
[15:56]<Whadup> Haha, I'm ordering a 3tb HDD next week and tonight I ordered 5m of black insulated wire, 5m of Red ", 5m of double side 15mm velcro cable tidy roll and a box of various cable connectors
[15:56]<@BC_Programming> what's the black wire for?
[15:56]<Whadup> My PC looks a mess inside at the moment
[15:57]<Whadup> I didn't wan't to seem racist
[15:57]<@BC_Programming> lol
[15:58]<@BC_Programming> Oh, like twisty ties to secure cables?
[16:02]<Whadup> The wire for the fans and lights on the side and front of the case are poorly wired so i need to cut them off and then add more wire to enable me to channel them better
[16:03]<@BC_Programming> ah ok, yeah that's kinda what I wondered
[16:03]<Whadup> The guy that built it seemed to think that 'the way the crow flies' is his motto
[16:04]<@BC_Programming> heh well my SSD drive is sorta tucked underneath the drive cage and held in place with black electrical tape
[16:05]<Whadup> Needs must as the devil drives
[16:05]<@BC_Programming> yeah the SSD was too small to be put in the drive cage with the plastic rails
[16:05]<+camerongray> Hey Whadup/Graham/Mulreay
[16:06]<Whadup> Hey camerongray
[16:06]<@BC_Programming> here's hoping my new case has a reasonable place to put SSDs, but being solid state it's not as much of a worry
[16:06]<+camerongray> BC_Programming: Sticky velcro works wonders for SSDs
[16:07]<Whadup> One want's an SSD
[16:08]<Whadup> I have the money but just never tried to all the other stuff after you actually buy it
[16:08]<Whadup> do*
[16:08]<@BC_Programming> 3 out of 4 doctors recommend it and the fourth was eaten by a cyborg so their apprehension is understandable
[16:08]<+camerongray> haha
[16:08]<Whadup> heh
[16:08]<+camerongray> You don't need to do fancy stuff after getting an SSD, just shove it in and it will work
[16:08]<@BC_Programming> though usually a good idea to enable AHCI
[16:09]<@BC_Programming> I apparently had everything in IDE compatible mode until a few days ago
[16:10]<Whadup> SOOOOO much reinstalling of stuff though... bleaugh..
[16:11]<@BC_Programming> Strangely part of me looks forward to that with the new PC, but only because, well, it will be a new PC
[16:12]<+camerongray> Whadup: Just clone it :P
[16:13]<Whadup> I have over 360gb of games installed.. I mean with a new 3tb HDD I could just copy it (over simplified) and be done. Never put an OS on an SSD and then run everything off the other drive.. sure it's easy.. :-p
[16:13]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[16:13]<@BC_Programming> eh I run everything off the SSD
[16:13]<@BC_Programming> space permitting
[16:13]<+camerongray> Same
[16:13]<@BC_Programming> secondary 4TB is just for data, ISOs and music and whatnot
[16:14]<+camerongray> My machines are all SSD only and all storage is on a 1tb RAID array in my home server
[16:14]<+camerongray> That should then (once I get it working) backup to my colocated server
[16:15]<@BC_Programming> my plan is to image my SSD as it is on this PC to the data drive, since I'm going to reformat the SSD for the new build, that way if I forget to copy something it's on the image, and I have an image I can restore to a new hard drive later if I want to get this old PC working again as it was
[16:16]<@BC_Programming> Don't see the point in buying another set of hard drives for the new machine, since in the long term I'd probably just end up putting the drives in this machine into it anyway
[16:17]<Whadup> OK for my 2tb PC what size would you recommend for the SSD? I may have some false knowledge on all of this
[16:18]<+camerongray> No real relation between them
[16:18]<+camerongray> Just comes down to how much you can spend
[16:18]<Whadup> As in I want to keep the storage but have a faster OS
[16:19]<+camerongray> 250gb is good but you can get 480gb for around £150 now
[16:21]<Whadup> May be this http://www.scan.co.uk/products/240gb-crucial-m500-25-6gb-s-internal-ssd-slim-7mm-500mb-s-read-250mb-s-write
[16:22]<+camerongray> Yep - That's a great drive
[16:22]<+camerongray> Ebuyer have it on sale at the moment
[16:24]<@BC_Programming> oh the motherboard has a single PCI slot
[16:24]<+camerongray> Yeah, I thought they were dying out
[16:24]<+camerongray> Many Z87 ones don't have any
[16:25]<+camerongray> Always good to have one though
[16:25]<@BC_Programming> Only reason I can think of would be for my sound card
[16:25]<@BC_Programming> though I doubt it would be any better than the motherboard audio
[16:25]<+camerongray> I've only ever used onboard sound :P
[16:25]<Whadup> I saw a SSD for PCIe that was an eye opener
[16:25]<+camerongray> Well, excluding my 486
[16:26]<+camerongray> Whadup: Yeah, they are super fast
[16:26]<+camerongray> But expensive
[16:26]<Whadup> Never even knew thay did that
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[16:26]<+camerongray> The only reasonably priced one is the ASUS RAIDr but it's a Sandforce controller
[16:26]<+camerongray> Sandforce = Poo
[16:26]<@BC_Programming> Actually interestingly, Hard cards are even older than IDE itself, quite interesting, only learned about that a few days ago
[16:26]<+camerongray> Think Apple use PCI-E SSDs in lots of their machines now
[16:27]<@BC_Programming> with the old PC XT and IBM PC they would mount entire hard drives directly on the ISA Controller card
[16:27]<+camerongray> BC_Programming: wow!
[16:27]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: I know must have been huge
[16:27]<+camerongray> My XT has a separate MFM drive that then connects to the controller card
[16:27]<+camerongray> Did I tell you that I got the original monitor for it?
[16:27]<@BC_Programming> read it in "Upgrading and Repairing PCs 21st edition"
[16:28]<@BC_Programming> Also interesting in that MFM is not really a "drive type" but a recording method
[16:28]<+camerongray> Ahh
[16:28]<@BC_Programming> ST-506 and ESDI being the interfaces
[16:28]<+camerongray> AHH!
[16:28]<@BC_Programming> no screaming
[16:29]<+camerongray> I have an ST-412 as an ornament (Sadly has really bad platter damage at track 0 so won't format
[16:30]<@BC_Programming> but of course the controller was actually on the controller card, and the drives were pretty much just dumb. Now we have those "controllers" mounted directly on the hard drives (the logic boards) and we don't actually have IDE (or SATA) Controllers on motherboards but rather "Host Adapters" if you want to be technical
[16:30]<+camerongray> If only it worked - Would be worth a fortune!
[16:30]<+camerongray> All due to some knob who forgot to park it before throwing the machine somewhere
[16:30]<Mulreay> BC_Programming: reading 'Masters of Doom' again for the 4th time here in London whilst I'm working... still a GREAT book.. camerongray you should read it. BC_Programming and a Mulreay can't be wrong :-p
[16:30]<+camerongray> My XT now has a ST-225 but with the faceplate of the ST-412 stuck on the front to make it look okay
[16:30]<@BC_Programming> yeah that book is awesome
[16:31]<@BC_Programming> my Stepdad had an XT, I don't think it was IBM though, some clone
[16:31]<+camerongray> Yeah, the 225 I have is from a Wang machine
[16:31]<+camerongray> But wotks great in the XT
[16:31]<+camerongray> Cost me like £40 too which was brilliant for something so rare
[16:32]<@BC_Programming> Shame I threw out all my old stuff
[16:32]<+camerongray> And I recently got the original IBM 5151 monitor for £10!
[16:32]<@BC_Programming> step-dad's XT was ripped apart for no reason at all by my mum
[16:32]<+camerongray> Ahh :(
[16:32]<@BC_Programming> I mean what real purpose is there to taking apart a MDA Monitor
[16:33]<+camerongray> Yeah
[16:33]<@BC_Programming> thankfully before then I had taken all the floppy disks
[16:33]<+camerongray> Glad I have mine, even if guitar_man found me owning an XT as bad as killing puppies
[16:33]<@BC_Programming> He did?
[16:33]<+camerongray> Yep :P
[16:33]<@BC_Programming> But doesn't he know ATX is just Vista Prelude?
[16:33]<+camerongray> It's a waste it sitting in my room, I should give it to a college for them to use for teaching
[16:33]<@BC_Programming> "Vista Prelude" sounds like a car
[16:34]<+camerongray> Like any college around here would want an XT!
[16:34]<@BC_Programming> haha he said that?
[16:34]<+camerongray> Yep
[16:34]<@BC_Programming> that's comedy gold
[16:34]<+camerongray> And sure it sits in my room - But I carry it to every university games night for people to play Zork on!
[16:35]<+camerongray> I'll need to take it over to "prewired" - A bimonthly event for kids to come to get help with their own programming projects
[16:35]<+camerongray> Let the kids see it - They are all just used to laptops
[16:35]<@BC_Programming> tempted to wait to buy and receive a new monitor before setting up the new machine... feels wrong to use this crappier D-SUB only monitor with dying pixels
[16:35]<+camerongray> haha
[16:36]<+camerongray> Next games night I'm planning on taking the XT with Zork and the IBM PS/1 with some old Windows 3.1/DOS games
[16:36]<+camerongray> Well, I'm in two minds - May take the PS/2E as it's a lot smaller and easier to carry
[16:36]<+camerongray> But would need Windows 3.1 installed - Currently running OS/2
[16:37]<@BC_Programming> OS/2 has that Windows 3.1 thing where you can run 3.1 applications
[16:37]<@BC_Programming> I remember I ran Office on my thinkpad from OS/2 before I decided I wanted the disk space for other crap
[16:37]<+camerongray> Yeah, issue is that the machine only has 4mb RAM which is really too little
[16:37]<+camerongray> Super sluggish
[16:37]<@BC_Programming> oh yeah, even my thinkpad had 8MB stock
[16:38]<+camerongray> Well, I'm not sure if it's that or the fact that I'm using a 4gb laptop hard drive formatted to whatever the machine's max is as the original drive failed
[16:38]<@BC_Programming> 8MB is pretty much the sweet spot I think
[16:38]<Mulreay> Can I ask some base questions on the SSD? When you guys have a moment..
[16:38]<+camerongray> Sure
[16:38]<Mulreay> thx
[16:38]<+camerongray> I did see a good idea online for old PCs - Use Compact Flash cards with IDE adapters
[16:39]<+camerongray> That way you can still have a drive that is actually a few hundred mb
[16:39]<+camerongray> Just miss the good clunking noise :P
[16:39]<@BC_Programming> Ask your questions Mulreay Before we lose camerongray
[16:40]<+camerongray> haha
[16:40]<+camerongray> I really should be doing coursework - Been in uni all day :P
[16:45]<Mulreay> OK I have 2 x 1tb in my home PC right now the 1st 1tb is the main drive and obviously the other 1tb is for art work images and notes on my 'best morales poetry'. OK so add the OS to the SSD..'I've never done this' and then I install stuff to the other HDD? So not C:? I got lost thinking about it.
[16:46]<+camerongray> Yeah, put the OS on the SSD along with programs you use regularly - Then install other stuff to the HDD which will have its own drive letter
[16:46]<@BC_Programming> For me I have a 480GB SSD and a 4TB. all programs and the OS is installed to the SSD, and my user profile is still there and all that, and I use the 4TB only for ISOs and data and stuff
[16:46]<+camerongray> Modern SSDs can hold most of your programs though
[16:46]<@BC_Programming> (ISO files, Music, movies, TV shows and such)
[16:47]<Mulreay> What about games? Install to the secondary?
[16:47]<Mulreay> Noooobbb
[16:48]<Mulreay> I could and would work it out but what are friends for??
[16:48]<+camerongray> Either, just depends on the space you have available
[16:48]<+camerongray> If the game is big put it on the HDD
[16:48]<@BC_Programming> I install all my games to the SSD because I'm lazy
[16:49]<@BC_Programming> also because that way I get the benefit of the SSD's speed
[16:49]<Mulreay> heh
[16:49]<@BC_Programming> Skyrim/New vegas etc.
[16:50]<@BC_Programming> and of course all my steam games go there too
[16:50]<Mulreay> A full new reinstall on that PC though could end me.. :-p Yeh my Steam account has about 300gb of games
[16:51]<Mulreay> Like 100 games
[16:51]<Mulreay> in fact more than that
[16:51]<Mulreay> about 640gb
[16:52]<@BC_Programming> You might want to move steam stuff to the other drive then, I think if you just install it to the other drive it will download and install games to the install location
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[16:55]<Mulreay> Thx for the advice, still not sure what do do.. 1:east: Just get a 3tb HDD 2:west: SDD with a 2tb HDD and work away.
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[16:57]<@BC_Programming> often what I do is stick my old hard drive as a data drive when I get a new hard drive
[16:57]<@BC_Programming> for example right now I have C: (my SSD) and D: (my 4TB) but I also have O: which is my old C: drive
[16:58]<@BC_Programming> you could get a TGB and use that, then later get a SSD, remove the 3TB and install to the SSD, then add the 3TB as a secondary; that way all your data is available. I find I need to copy stuff from my old user profile on O: sometimes
[17:04]<Mulreay> Yeah sounds like a plan..copy... erm.. word? does this have word?.. win8 ok just look around.. oh hi cmd I was looking for you ages ago... erm nope...erm nope.. it's OK it's your parents laptop your no less of a man... I hate myself.. oh oh oh.. yeyyyynoo. Haha that email was funny.. WTF am I looking for? Oooo the oven just dinged.
[17:07]<Mulreay> later peeps, back.. erm later to sound cool
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[17:59]<@BC_Programming> Damn Novel8 is freaking Dense
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