Session Start: Sat Nov 09 00:00:00 2013 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[04:23]<PCdoc> MMZF troll
[04:28]<MMZF> lol
[04:30]<MMZF> how to hide channels that we are on from whois
[04:31]<Steimey> You can't
[04:31]<MMZF> ok
[04:31]<MMZF> can anybody join an irc please
[04:31]<MMZF> and please i want to make a request
[04:32]<PCdoc> MMZF: you have been spamming and trolling in different channels and you just got banned from a channel recently for same :P
[04:32]<@BC_Programming> PCdoc: what is your point?
[04:34]<PCdoc> my point is he was annoying me in other channel. Got banned there They he probably went to some other channel. Did not get attention, now this channel's turn
[04:34]<PCdoc> then*
[04:34]<MMZF> ok
[04:34]<MMZF> sorry
[04:34]<MMZF> how to add zlined
[04:35]<PCdoc> see ^
[04:35]<PCdoc> you mean how to get zlined?? :-o
[04:35]<MMZF> no
[04:35]<MMZF> how to apply zlined at a person
[04:35]<@BC_Programming> you have to be an IRC Operator
[04:35]<PCdoc> ask at the #help channel of mibbit
[04:36]<MMZF> ok
[04:36]<MMZF> i know but how to add zlined
[04:36]<@BC_Programming> they will only Z-line if the mibbit TOS is being violated as far as I'm aware
[04:36]<MMZF> ok
[04:36]<MMZF> but how to give some one
[04:37]<@BC_Programming> give someone what
[04:37]<PCdoc> hahaha
[04:37]<MMZF> zlined
[04:37]<MMZF> lol
[04:38]<@BC_Programming> give someone zlined. I'm not sure I rightly apprehend the confusion of ideas that would lead to such a question
[04:38]<PCdoc> its not zlined, I think it's zline !!
[04:38]<PCdoc> why do you wanna zline anyone? MMZF
[04:42]<MMZF> just want to know
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[05:52]<PCdoc> [13:43]<@BC_Programming> PCDoc, is annoying... he's supposed to be building and repairing PCs for a living but doesn't seem to know very much about it <<< Partially True. I don't have much knowledge about building but yes I have knowledge about repairing. My main business is repairing and service. But sometimes Build PC's for which I ask camerongray what parts to use.
[05:53]<+camerongray> It does get annoying when we spend ages helping you pick parts and you jut go ahead and ignore what we said
[05:53]<PCdoc> camerongray: I think I have already told you that I can convince a customer upto a certain limit.
[05:53]<+camerongray> You simply don't even offer the cheap PSU!
[05:54]<PCdoc> After which if he insists that he wants that particular part I don't have any option. Yes but I warn him about the future problems
[05:54]<+camerongray> When I build a PC I'll quote with a decent PSU from the start
[05:54]<+camerongray> I'd go as far as refusing to build with crap parts
[05:54]<+camerongray> Not worth my reputation if someone is insisting on junk
[05:55]<PCdoc> No, You don't probably then know what type of customer base is here. Some of them are like I wanta pc not too expensive. If i don't give them what they ask for, the next store to mine will give.
[05:55]<PCdoc> I lose a customer there
[05:55]<@BC_Programming> if his main business is repair and service it serves him to give them shite components
[05:55]<+camerongray> lol
[05:55]<+camerongray> I would happily lose a customer over it
[05:55]<PCdoc> camerongray: that's not how it works!
[05:56]<PCdoc> I'll be then one day defeated by my compititors
[05:56]<+camerongray> Every PC I build I'm told they want it cheap, I'll still use quality parts - Sure it may be more expensive than a competitor, but if they want a low quality machine they can get it from there, I'm not putting my name to it
[05:56]<@BC_Programming> Thank goodness PCDoc is here to tell us how it works
[05:56]<+camerongray> Sure I'd lose out on a sale
[05:57]<+camerongray> I mean, the difference between a Semi-Decent PSU and crap one can be like £30
[05:58]<+camerongray> If I was desperate for the build I could even take that out my profit and still make a decent amount
[05:58]<PCdoc> According to your currency, pounds are actually expensive. So are dollars. What is available there for like 20$. Its available here for e 20 x 62= 1240
[05:59]<+camerongray> You spending 1240 on something isn't like me spending £1240 on something!
[05:59]<+camerongray> That's not how it works
[05:59]<PCdoc> Things are getting expensive day by day due to our corrupt goivernment. Survival has become expensive. Rent of the property I am doing business in gets expensive everyday.
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[06:00]<PCdoc> If i lose a deal ..
[06:00]<+camerongray> But you earn more Rupees than I do in £ - It's not like the currency can just be translated like that!
[06:00]<PCdoc> I completely understand what you are trying to tell and I also respect that part.
[06:00]<+camerongray> All that happens is you build with crap parts, later on someone like me sees it and laughs saying "Wow, PCdoc builds crap PCs"
[06:01]<+camerongray> Like look at how much I advise against iBuyPower machines
[06:01]<@BC_Programming> but camerongray! something something corruption!
[06:01]<+camerongray> lol
[06:01]<PCdoc> Here there is a local antivirus called Quick heal. Supposed to be the best. And they have advertised to the extent that everyone wants to buy it leaving symantec norton and other popular brrands behind
[06:01]<+camerongray> It's like the number of PC repair places here that scam people out of motherboards.etc over minor faults - If I did that I could make loads of money, but I won't
[06:02]<@jacky> PCdoc: you simply have a different business philosophy than camerongray and BC_Programming
[06:02]<+camerongray> lol
[06:02]<PCdoc> there is somethign called net protector antivirus, but people don't want to spend on good antiviruses. they are hungry for the one they heard or there friiends told them. They even here won't use free antivirus like avast
[06:02]<+camerongray> So what - If they want to use some very dodgy antivirus, let them
[06:02]<@jacky> as for one being "better" than the other, of course you are going to feel yours is best, and they are each going to feel that theirs is best
[06:03]<@jacky> the way it is SUPPOSED to work: the customers eventually decide which is best
[06:03]<+camerongray> At least here people tend to trust me more so will use free AV and decent parts
[06:03]<PCdoc> No the thing is, if I try to tell them buy "xyz' antivirus or use free, they will think m been stupid and that creates bad mouth publicity
[06:03]<@BC_Programming> toothpaste is good for mouth publicity
[06:03]<PCdoc> BC_Programming: lol
[06:04]<@jacky> and for pubic mouth-iticity
[06:04]<@jacky> :)
[06:04]<+camerongray> eww
[06:05]<+camerongray> So many PC stores here are so dodgy :P
[06:05]<@BC_Programming> yeah you can tell when they are dodgy
[06:05]<PCdoc> and camerongray you think I keep telling you about 'ch' in private. yesterday actually I did not tell you what you did in CH. obviously you did it you know it. I was pointing you towards when you earlier said you would never go there and Isaw you typing there. I just wanted to be like if you have started there to help then I will also start.
[06:05]<@BC_Programming> "Bob's PC Repair Store/Brothel"
[06:05]<+camerongray> Oh, we have a Pharmacy that also has an Internet Cafe and sells Laptops
[06:05]<+camerongray> Not kidding, will try to remember to take a photo
[06:06]<@jacky> camerongray: so... are you more scared of the laptops, or the drugs, that you could get there??
[06:06]<@BC_Programming> PCDoc if you mentioned CH, that's mentioning CH
[06:06]<+camerongray> haha
[06:06]<PCdoc> BC_Programming: no. It's not.
[06:06]<@BC_Programming> HAHA..
[06:06]<@BC_Programming> really? Mentioning CH is not mentioning CH?
[06:07]<PCdoc> when camerongray sometimes mentions ch like he did yesterday as seen in the logs. That's not pointed out. But PCdoc does it, he is annoying and an idiot
[06:07]<@BC_Programming> good, you are catching on
[06:07]<@jacky> every time somebody says CH, I read it, and my brain thinks of the sound of "ch", and then I'm hearing that David Bowie song... "Ch, ch, ch, changes....."
[06:07]<+camerongray> lol
[06:07]<@BC_Programming> most people don't refer to themselves in the third person though
[06:08]<+camerongray> I still loved my auntie - She had a PC repair guy who had said her motherboard had failed (Third motherboard this machine had been on) so she gave up and bought a new PC - I was over at her house and she mentioned that it was in the garage - 5mins later and her "Failed motherboard" was working again - Needed a CMOS reset
[06:08]<PCdoc> lol.That's fooling
[06:08]<@jacky> camerongray: Well... see? that proves it wasn't the powersupply that failed!
[06:08]<PCdoc> clearly fooling
[06:08]<@jacky> and the case didn't fail
[06:08]<@BC_Programming> yeah that's about par for technical competency for Repair techs
[06:08]<@jacky> and the power cord didn't fail
[06:09]<+camerongray> Oh, it's a poop PSU as well
[06:09]<@jacky> and the keyboard didn't fail
[06:09]<+camerongray> Ended up giving me the PC - So now I have a Sempron 2400 to do something with - *sarcastic yay*
[06:09]<@jacky> so it MUST be the MB.
[06:09]<@jacky> :)
[06:09]<+camerongray> It did have a fault that he had obviously narrowed down to the board, but didn't know enough to try a CMOS reset
[06:09]<@BC_Programming> like at where I used to work after 5 years they decided it was time for us to all watch the training videos
[06:09]<+camerongray> It was turning on but just the fans ran
[06:09]<@jacky> camerongray: heheheeh
[06:09]<PCdoc> jacky: btw 3rd november logs have not been posted. and 5th nov logs have been posted twice
[06:10]<@jacky> PCdoc: that was "burp" day.
[06:10]<+camerongray> lol
[06:10]<@jacky> PCdoc: I was wanting to know if it was all settled down and back to normal after that burp
[06:10]<+camerongray> Also bare in mind this guy sold them this Sempron 2400+ machine in 2008
[06:10]<+camerongray> And actually repaired it several times when it's clearly worthless
[06:10]<@jacky> and... inside one or two of those... probably with some duping... are the logs for at least one missing day. there MIGHT be a piece of a day, missing.
[06:11]<@BC_Programming> uh, it looks fine. we're missing the 3rd but the others look fine, they certainly aren't duplicate logs, possibly duplicate parts
[06:11]<@jacky> BC_Programming: is the 3rd inside another one, mis-dated?
[06:11]<+camerongray> And the amount of places that install pirated software is mental
[06:12]<@BC_Programming> 3rd starts on the 5th
[06:12]<@jacky> camerongray: when I have "bare" in mind, I'm thinking of the cover of the swimsuit issue of Sports Illustrated.
[06:12]<@jacky> "bear in mind" though... is different
[06:12]<@jacky> :)
[06:12]<@BC_Programming> anyway as a I was saying on that training PC I wrote a VB6 program that just said there was an error, and replaced the shortcut
[06:12]<@jacky> BC_Programming: gotta luv that new math. :)
[06:12]<+camerongray> lol - oops - typo
[06:12]<@BC_Programming> nobody could figure out why it was broken. They took it to a Computer Tech
[06:12]<PCdoc> log 05 nov and log 04nov says session start 03 nov
[06:12]<@BC_Programming> "Motherboard needs replaced"
[06:13]<@jacky> PCdoc: tnx
[06:13]<+camerongray> wow!
[06:13]<PCdoc> means they are duplicate or dates are wrong??
[06:13]<@BC_Programming> 4th is the 3rd and 4th, 5th is probably all three days
[06:13]<@BC_Programming> 6th is good so should be fine now
[06:14]<@jacky> BC_Programming: I had a windows executable at one time... can't find it now... all it did was put a button on the screen, labeled "Wait". Click it and a little whirlygig would twirl for about 10 seconds, saying "Waiting". Then the button re-appeared. You'd be surprised how many times some people would click it.....
[06:14]<@jacky> PCdoc: dates are wacky
[06:14]<@jacky> BC_Programming: tnx
[06:15]<PCdoc> camerongray: how is ASrock brand?
[06:16]<+camerongray> lol
[06:16]<@jacky> did I win?
[06:16]<+camerongray> YEp :P
[06:16]<+camerongray> It's in the list of the brands that if I use will cause Calum to kill me
[06:17]<@jacky> PCdoc: I don't profess to stay current... but ask him again, about GigaByte and then Asus.
[06:17]<+camerongray> I only use Gigabyte or ASUS on high end and Biostar if on a budget
[06:17]<@jacky> hahahaha
[06:17]<@BC_Programming> Gigabyte EP43-UL
[06:17]<PCdoc> may be like camerongray said Intel is going out of motherboard market, But Intel has started to recommend dealers to buy Asus, gigabyte and now ASRock motherboards when they buy Intel processors
[06:18]<@jacky> biostar over MSI ?
[06:18]<+camerongray> Oh yeah
[06:18]<@BC_Programming> jacky: anything is better than MSI
[06:18]<@jacky> I had a MSI motherboard in a Win98 machine... for a dozen years. I thought they were ok for "nothing fancy" computers
[06:18]<@jacky> interesting
[06:19]<@jacky> did they "used to be" ok? and went downhill?
[06:19]<@BC_Programming> yeah
[06:19]<@jacky> ahhh
[06:19]<PCdoc> We dealers earn certain points when we buy Intel suggested brands. There's one going on right now is Intel processor with ASRock mobo. ASRock was never popular here
[06:19]<@BC_Programming> I think so, they had to start cutting costs to compete I think
[06:19]<@jacky> that's a shame when that happens
[06:19]<@jacky> that they go downhill, that is. (typing at same time)
[06:20]<+camerongray> Desktop: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H, Server: Gigabyte GA-D525TUD (Bought from Calum), HTPC: Biostar NM70i-847
[06:20]<PCdoc> When I was in school, I bought an AMD sempron 2600+ with MSI motherboard (VIA chipset). Still using it. Bought it in 2006, no problems till now.
[06:20]<@BC_Programming> Oohh.. On Thursday I will have quite a reserve of monies
[06:21]<+camerongray> lol
[06:21]<+camerongray> I love my HTPC :P
[06:21]<@jacky> dang... I forget what I put in this computer...
[06:21]<@BC_Programming> I'll have something like 1200 reserve
[06:21]<+camerongray> On paper you'd think it would be useless - 1.1GHz Celeron Dual Core - But it;s actually really fast
[06:21]<@BC_Programming> then one more pay period and I'll be set for a mega build of awesome coolness
[06:21]<@BC_Programming> jacky: I Know! Computer parts!
[06:22]<+camerongray> Think it's Gigabyte
[06:22]<@jacky> BC_Programming: I know it is eco-friendly... I've had to replace the bearings in the little squirrel cage thingy that the gophers run on, to power it
[06:23]<@BC_Programming> my gophers escaped
[06:23]<@jacky> AMD Athlon X2 250 3.00 GHz
[06:23]<@BC_Programming> I had to replace them with cyborg rabbits
[06:23]<@jacky> camerongray: gigabye is the current mb.. started with asus
[06:23]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah, blew or something?
[06:23]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: man short memory?
[06:23]<@BC_Programming> :P
[06:23]<@jacky> BC_Programming: rabbits cause spikey voltage... not smooth ... caused by that sudden hopping, not steady running.
[06:24]<@BC_Programming> lightning strike blew on board network if I remember
[06:24]<@jacky> camerongray: piece by piece
[06:24]<@jacky> first something quit... can't remember
[06:24]<@BC_Programming> jacky: thus the cybernetic implants in the rabbits
[06:24]<+camerongray> Oh no, jacky has the same CPU as Guitar_man, but jacky runs Windows 7, it's going to explode unless you use XP :P
[06:24]<@BC_Programming> XP Black Edition no less
[06:24]<@jacky> then lightning made it really bad... video went, if I recall
[06:24]<@BC_Programming> and then your gophers escaped
[06:24]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[06:24]<+camerongray> Didn't lightning kill your Monitor as well?
[06:25]<@jacky> BC_Programming: ok on cyberg bunnies. do you serve them on iceberg lettuce?
[06:25]<@BC_Programming> ha
[06:25]<@BC_Programming> nah, probably won't taste any good regardless of what they are served on
[06:25]<@jacky> camerongray: you are scary! Yes... sent it back, wait three eons, they sent it back, fixed. using it right now.
[06:25]<+camerongray> Ahh nice
[06:25]<@jacky> I think it was MY mistake, but
[06:25]<+camerongray> Wasn't sure if you were still using an old spare CRT :P
[06:26]<@jacky> when I bought the Asus, I bought OCZ ram
[06:26]<@BC_Programming> I think I'm using OCZ
[06:26]<@jacky> that apparently was supposed to be good stuff, but was not on the QVL for that mb
[06:26]<@jacky> and it was touchy .. that's the best I can word it
[06:26]<@jacky> had to adjust the settings in bios
[06:26]<@jacky> and it would lose them, occasionally
[06:26]<@jacky> then it would blue screen
[06:27]<@jacky> that, and that OCZ ram was - one stick - was bad when I got it... and in newegg, TONS of people were reporting that, with that particular ram... really pissed me off
[06:27]<+camerongray> AHh yeah
[06:28]<+camerongray> Such a big step up from what you had before :P
[06:28]<@jacky> when I got the Gigabyte, I bought ... what's the one that is popular and guaranteed forever? ... ram , that IS on the QVL list for this MB, plugged it in, and go. Solid.
[06:28]<+camerongray> I remember it was like - "Here, watch this video" and you're like "Can't watch YouTube"
[06:28]<@jacky> camerongray: ahh... the beauty of upgrading once every 10 to 13 years. :)
[06:28]<+camerongray> lol
[06:28]<@jacky> dang... what is that brand name of ram?
[06:28]<@jacky> name a few...
[06:29]<@jacky> Convair?
[06:29]<@jacky> nahh..
[06:29]<@jacky> name some that start with C
[06:29]<+camerongray> Corsair?
[06:29]<@jacky> no.. I think that is the PS
[06:29]<+camerongray> YAY - jacky has a decent PSU
[06:29]<+camerongray> Corsair also do RAM
[06:29]<@jacky> (Calum had heave influence on this machine)
[06:30]<+camerongray> yeah :P
[06:30]<PCdoc> Crucial?
[06:30]<@jacky> PCdoc: Yes
[06:30]<@jacky> found a link
[06:30]<+camerongray> Ahh cool
[06:30]<@jacky> this is probably it:
[06:30]<@jacky> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148262
[06:31]<+camerongray> Ahh cool
[06:31]<PCdoc> Is this crucial same as that crucial scan?
[06:31]<+camerongray> Yeah
[06:31]<@jacky> camerongray: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128435
[06:31]<+camerongray> Ahh nice!
[06:32]<@BC_Programming> hmm I should get some snacks
[06:32]<+camerongray> Wow, that's really good, USB 3.0 and SATA III
[06:32]<+camerongray> Get an SSD :P
[06:32]<@BC_Programming> I can't eat SSDs
[06:32]<+camerongray> hah
[06:32]<@jacky> <@jacky> (Calum had heave influence on this machine) <<< bear in mind that he and I discussed it quite a bit... he was picking parts to fit my needs, not things that far exceeded my needs and thus running up the cost.
[06:32]<+camerongray> Yeah - That is a very good board though
[06:32]<@jacky> camerongray: that was 2010 if I recall
[06:33]<+camerongray> Yeah, very good for the time
[06:33]<@BC_Programming> did he tell you to use a Cheap PSU to save money
[06:33]<@BC_Programming> oh no of course not
[06:33]<+camerongray> haha
[06:33]<@jacky> camerongray: it has only got to last another 10 years, before I might need to upgrade again!
[06:33]<@jacky> :)
[06:33]<+camerongray> hehe
[06:33]<+camerongray> Put an SSD in my HTPC - It boots faster than the "Orb" animation takes to complete!
[06:34]<@BC_Programming> SSHD is nice in my laptop
[06:34]<@jacky> BC_Programming: it is a corsair 400 w ... that's all I remember.. I'd have to dig around to find the exact model.
[06:34]<@jacky> at the time, it was a pretty good one
[06:34]<+camerongray> Yeah
[06:34]<@BC_Programming> yeah good brand and he got you a wattage that suited you
[06:34]<+camerongray> Shows he did a good job getting only 400w and not going insane
[06:34]<@BC_Programming> mines a Corsair 750 Watt iirc
[06:35]<@jacky> and I think I needed less wattage, but I have a tendency from other experience in electronics, to pad a power supply some
[06:35]<+camerongray> I have a 650w Corsair HX
[06:35]<@BC_Programming> honestly no idea if I even need that much
[06:35]<+camerongray> Yeah - Even my PC pulls under 250 when running games
[06:35]<@jacky> I think I needed more like a 250... can't remember
[06:35]<+camerongray> And my HTPC is under 20w!
[06:35]<@BC_Programming> but it's a good brand so it may at some point become a spare
[06:36]<@jacky> I am using the onboard video, after all
[06:36]<@BC_Programming> and another advantage is if I build another PC I will have a backup PCI-E graphics card
[06:36]<+camerongray> Yeah
[06:36]<@BC_Programming> in 20 years... "ahh, it's not working, let me try this 9800GT"
[06:36]<+camerongray> haha
[06:37]<@BC_Programming> "But dood the 9800GT doesn't support holographic meganamous mode"
[06:37]<@jacky> speaking of power... I'm going to go burn 1100 watts for 3 minutes in the microwave to boil some water for tea
[06:37]<+camerongray> I upgrade too much :P
[06:37]<+camerongray> haha
[06:37]<@jacky> then I'm going to maybe burn some more amps, in the toaster
[06:37]<@jacky> be back later/soon/sometime
[06:37]<+camerongray> lol
[06:37]<@jacky> I enjoyed
[06:37]<@jacky> :)
[06:37]<+camerongray> I love my HTPC case - http://jura/~camerong/public/photos/htpc.jpg
[06:37]<+camerongray> Fits right on the back of the TV
[06:38]<+camerongray> Really want to tell Guitar_man that it has a 90w PSU - He'd be like - "You need at least 1200w for that!"
[06:38]<@jacky> is he a closet wanna-be welder??
[06:38]<+camerongray> lol
[06:39]<+camerongray> Flawed logic that a cheapo 1200w PSU will last longer than a good 500w PSU
[06:39]<+camerongray> HTPC's PSU came with the case but it's Antec so should be decent enough
[06:39]<+camerongray> And look at what it's powering :P
[06:39]<+camerongray> Motherboard and CPU together was like £60
[06:44]<@BC_Programming> I suppose I should head out and get some programming 'supplies'
[06:52]<+camerongray> Yeah, I need lunch too
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[08:54]<mib_7qh2w8> https://mega.co.nz/#!b1J2mJyb!GwiIgnfzbwyCbpaCGVPGOmJi5Wk5keebxJVzfwjuJWs
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[11:21]<+camerongray> Hey Calum
[11:21]<@Calum> hey camerongray
[11:21]<+camerongray> Before I get my spork
[11:21]<@Calum> hah
[11:21]<@Calum> wait, you mean you're in BOTH CHANNELS? Execution is called for
[11:22]<+camerongray> Now we all know that i5s run hotter than overclocked i7s, "Hardly any programs" running means under load and 72c is a fine temp for an i5 under little load
[11:22]<+camerongray> lol, they removed the ban and my client stupidly autojoined
[11:22]<@Calum> they did?
[11:22]<+camerongray> yeah
[11:23]<@Calum> excellent
[11:23]<+camerongray> And FYI - The temperature stuff was Patio
[11:23]<@BC_Programming> It's been gone for a while
[11:23]<@Calum> I haven't joined or tried to join for quite some time, not since I got kicked actually
[11:23]<+camerongray> That stuff about the hyperthreading was unbelieveable though
[11:24]<+camerongray> You can tell he was clutching at straws based on the way he switched from saying the i5 had hyperthreading to then saying that the "controller" could use the 8 threads of the i7 after I pointed out the i5 doesn't have HT
[11:24]<@Calum> that was one of those things where you have to wonder, in what world could the person typing that read what they've written and think "yep, makes sense"
[11:24]<@Calum> it's so much easier to just admit you're wrong...no shame in being wrong if you admit it and learn from that
[11:25]<+camerongray> Yeah
[11:25]<+camerongray> It;s an easy mistake - The i7 looks better on paper
[11:25]<+camerongray> And mobile i5s do have hyperthreading which could clearly cause confusion about that too
[11:25]<@Calum> indeed
[11:26]<@Calum> mobile Intel CPUs are such a cluster...er, clustersmuck
[11:26]<@Calum> dual core i7s and quad core i5s and hyper threading all over the shop
[11:26]<+camerongray> lol
[11:26]<+camerongray> At least a while ago didn't you get dual and quad i7s?
[11:27]<+camerongray> Then they all have HT, but so do the i5s
[11:27]<@Calum> I think either all or almost all i3s are dual with HT, i5s are dual with HT or quad no HT, and i7s are dual with HT or quad with HT
[11:28]<+camerongray> Hmm, I thought the i3s were only dual, i5s were dual with HT and i7s were quad with HT
[11:29]<@Calum> I have an i3 with HT in my work laptop
[11:29]<@Calum> there are definitely dual core i7s
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[11:29]<+camerongray> NO YOU DON'T - Based on the number of computers we have you don't have an i3 with HT
[11:29]<@Calum> lol
[11:29]<+camerongray> What gen is it?
[11:29]<@Calum> we have approx 40 of them ;)
[11:30]<+camerongray> Yeah, well I have 100 Inspirons with i3s
[11:30]<@Calum> it's ib
[11:30]<+camerongray> Ahh, hmm
[11:30]<@Calum> hang on 2 seconds, p[hone call, will confirm specs after
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[11:31]<+camerongray> lol!
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[11:36]<@Calum> yeah all mobile IB i3s have HT
[11:36]<+camerongray> Ahh nice
[11:36]<+camerongray> Now trying to think why the i5 would be better :P
[11:36]<@Calum> normally the difference is turbo
[11:36]<@Calum> i3 doesn't have it
[11:36]<+camerongray> AHH!
[11:37]<@Calum> most of our laptops at work have the i3-3110M or the 3120M
[11:37]<+camerongray> Ahh cool
[11:37]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, How's Cassie?
[11:38]<@Calum> she's not bad now thanks...she had a load of really bad seizures last night (she's been having them for a while but this was much worse) so we called 999, they took her to hospital
[11:38]<@Calum> they kept her in overnight, and today they said they'd keep her another 24 hours
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[11:38]<+camerongray> Ahh, that sucks
[11:38]<@Calum> we got to A&E at like 10pm last night, she got a bed and somewhere to sleep around 2.30am
[11:39]<@BC_Programming> wait what happened?
[11:39]<@Calum> so I got home after that, had like 4 hours sleep, then spent all day at the hospital today
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[11:39]<@Calum> Cassie suffers with seizures, we don't know what causes them and "they" don't know either
[11:39]<@Calum> we usually just deal with them and they're manageable but last night was really bad
[11:39]<@Calum> like an hour or so of seizures
[11:39]<@BC_Programming> not epilepsy?
[11:40]<@Calum> we don't know, they don't think so from the MRI and EEG scans
[11:40]<@Calum> but they don't know for sure
[11:40]<@Calum> they have no trigger we've found
[11:40]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah, finding the trigger is the hard part
[11:40]<@Calum> and she can go like a day or two with none, generally she has about 4-5 a day but sometimes like 10+
[11:41]<+camerongray> I don't get Seizures but get really bad migraines - Took ages to work out they are induced by bright lights in the corner of my eye
[11:41]<+camerongray> Ouch!
[11:41]<@Calum> ah right, sometimes seizures and migraines are linked as well
[11:41]<@Calum> my mate in school used to get migraines, bad times
[11:42]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah, they suck
[11:42]<@Calum> Cassie sometimes gets a headache before or after, but not like migraine type...plus we're not sure if it's an actual symptom or just her being dehydrated or drained by the seizures, obviously they're incredibly tiring
[11:42]<+camerongray> If I get blinded by a light or camera flash I have a mini-pannic attack as the sort of "patch" in your vision caused by the light feels just like a migraine starting
[11:43]<+camerongray> Yeah
[11:43]<@Calum> last night once she got a bed she could barely even move when the doctor was testing things like her reflexes and things, because the seizures had made her so tired and weak
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[11:43]<@BC_Programming> My uncle used to have seizures/epilepsy, they weren't physical seizures though, it was weird
[11:44]<@BC_Programming> he would just keep saying "OK" and take his glasses off
[11:44]<+camerongray> wow, never heard of that
[11:44]<@Calum> yeah, there are so many different kinds of seizures and related things
[11:45]<@Calum> Cassie sometimes just goes blank for a few minutes, and sometimes when she recovers from the more usual kind of seizure she has memory loss for a while, usually followed by another seizure
[11:45]<@Calum> she usually thinks it's about 2009, which was when we met, and gets incredibly confused as to why we're in Derby, not at her dad's house, and where her family are, and so on
[11:45]<+camerongray> Oh wow, never heard of that
[11:45]<@Calum> and sometimes she does talk about random things as well, almost like continuing a conversation we haven't actually hasd
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[11:46]<@BC_Programming> yeah my Uncle used to ask about people that had been dead for years
[11:47]<+camerongray> So is that like a thing that she has had all her life or did it just start?
[11:47]<@Calum> started out of the blue in about June or July
[11:47]<@Calum> then got worse quite quickly, by about end of August she had to stop going to work
[11:47]<+camerongray> Ahh, very strange - Hopefully they find out what it is
[11:48]<@Calum> yeah, hopefully...they just can't seem to decide, they're trying her on different medication and stuff but it hasn't helped at all so far. In a way it's good that they did take her to hospital because at least the seizures she's had while she's in have been observed by them
[11:49]<@Calum> rather than relying on my slightly panicky descriptions
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[11:49]<+camerongray> Exactly
[11:49]<@Calum> they did ask me to try and video one, which makes sense, but it's really hard
[11:49]<+camerongray> Yeah
[11:50]<+camerongray> You'd pretty much have to be there all the time with a camera ready
[11:50]<@Calum> because obviously the first thing I do is make sure she's not about to hit her head or fall or otherwise hurt herself, then I try and get her in recovery position, then by the time I'm relatively happy she's not about to hurt herself, it's done
[11:50]<@Calum> yeah because we hardly ever know when they're about to happen either
[11:52]<+camerongray> It's strange how something like that just starts though
[11:53]<@Calum> it is
[11:53]<+camerongray> I never had migraines until I was about 10 - Got them a couple of times a year, then got really bad around 16-17 (More than weekly) but now haven't had one in almost a year
[11:53]<+camerongray> But that may be because I am now petrified of bright lights in the corner of my eye :P
[11:54]<@Calum> heh
[11:54]<+camerongray> I have to wear sunglasses when it's snowing
[11:55]<@Calum> yeah
[11:57]<+camerongray> Worst part for me is I get really pissed off at anything making noise
[11:57]<+camerongray> I don't normally yell at Sky boxes, but I do when I have a migraine and it decides to start recording
[11:57]<@Calum> yeah
[11:57]<@Calum> I can imagine
[11:58]<+camerongray> Worst one was when I got one while we had people in the attic (Above my head) removing the old water tanks
[11:58]<@Calum> ah man
[11:58]<+camerongray> And by removing I mean sawing up
[11:58]<+camerongray> :P
[11:58]<@Calum> lol
[11:58]<@Calum> bad times
[11:59]<+camerongray> Yeah
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[12:18]<Jamer> ive been getting alot of bad heachaches but i know the source of mine
[12:19]<@BC_Programming> your Dad?
[12:19]<@BC_Programming> heh
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[12:19]<Jamer> mine is from stress
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[12:32]<Immental1200> Lol... you guys going on about wattage
[12:32]<Immental1200> Look up Cranberry SC20 and SC21
[12:32]<Immental1200> They use like 7W of power fully loaded
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[13:27]<@Calum> ping timeouts ahoy...
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[14:10]<@Calum> Anyone tried IE11 on Windows 7 yet?
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[14:11]<+camerongray> Not me no
[14:11]<@Calum> Just installed it to see what it's like, it requires a reboot though
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[14:11]<@Calum> pretty sure most of the other IE updates/upgrades haven't...
[14:12]<+camerongray> Hmm
[14:12]<+camerongray> IE is pretty tied into windows so it's probably needing to change a core system file
[14:12]<+camerongray> But yeah, I don't remember it happening before
[14:12]<@Calum> yeah, just odd that several other upgrades didn't need that
[14:13]<@Calum> I don't even think IE6 to IE7, which was a pretty big change, needed a reboot
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[21:40]<PCdoc> Good morning.
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