Session Start: Sun Oct 06 00:00:00 2013 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[05:42]<@Mulreay> Second craft in space
[05:42]<@BC_Programming> congratulations You've done well by John F. Kerman
[05:43]<@Mulreay> lol
[05:44]<@BC_Programming> shame he got assassinated by Lee-Harvey Kerman
[05:46]<@Mulreay> haha
[05:46]<@BC_Programming> I'm imagining them as kerbals
[05:47]<@BC_Programming> Abraham Kerman, 16th President of the United States of Kerman
[05:47]<@BC_Programming> A country below Kermada
[05:47]<@BC_Programming> Across the pond from the United Kermdom
[05:48]<@Mulreay> heh, with Queen Elizabethe Kerbal the second
[05:48]<@Mulreay> Elizabeth*
[05:48]<@BC_Programming> Queen Elizabeth Kerman of the house of Kerman
[05:49]<@BC_Programming> from a long line of Kermans
[05:49]<@BC_Programming> just like everybody else
[05:49]<@BC_Programming> Prime minister Winston Kerman
[05:50]<@BC_Programming> During World War Kerman
[05:50]<@BC_Programming> where they fought Adolf Kerman, and Joseph Kerman
[05:50]<@BC_Programming> or back in their ancient times
[05:51]<@BC_Programming> the Kerman's front of Kerman
[05:51]<@BC_Programming> and the Alleged Jesus Kerman who died for all Kermanity
[05:51]<@BC_Programming> And Brian Kerman who inspired the "Life of Kerman"
[05:52]<@BC_Programming> And their chain stores such as "Bed,Bath, and Kerman"
[05:56]<@Mulreay> I'm sensing a theme here
[05:56]<@BC_Programming> yes one often get's that impression
[05:56]<@BC_Programming> so you've acheived orbit huh... now time to get to the Mun
[05:59]<@Mulreay> Yeah, not looking forward to that :p
[06:00]<@BC_Programming> well once you get in orbit it is reasonably easy
[06:01]<@Mulreay> Yeah, may take a test ship there
[06:01]<@BC_Programming> loaded with 50 kerbals
[06:01]<@BC_Programming> for... "testing"
[06:01]<@Mulreay> lol
[06:01]<@BC_Programming> I dub this ship, "Everybody Dies"
[06:01]<@BC_Programming> "does the name mean something?"
[06:02]<@BC_Programming> "no, get on board and strap in!"
[06:02]<@BC_Programming> "Now just out of curiousity have you got all your affairs in order?"
[06:04]<@Mulreay> heh
[06:18]<@Mulreay> OK if this rocket gets off the ground I will eat my laptop
[06:22]<@Mulreay> Collapsed under it's own weight :p
[08:16]<+camerongray> I do love waking up to abuse from guitar_man
[08:17]<+camerongray> http://pastebin.com/TQM5gQvp
[08:20]<+camerongray> This was after he started badmouthing me for no reason in the main channel and randomly telling a guest to "bugger off" despite them asking an honest question
[08:20]<+camerongray> And nice racist words from DB of course " <db100547> guitar_man: disagree on cmos batteries fromn chinko china"
[09:49]<jamer> camerongray
[09:50]<+camerongray> Yeah>
[09:52]<jamer> peronsally i think with guitarman you should bring that up with an ircop
[09:52]<+camerongray> Yeah, I'll have a chat with pottsi next time he's on
[09:53]<+camerongray> Brought it all up with Calum too - He's going to do an epic post in the mod section of the forum
[09:54]<jamer> bring it up with kitsune molkmin jobe or havvy
[09:54]<+camerongray> Could do, know pottsi better though
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[10:38]<+camerongray> jamer: Just noticed I did have a PM from molkmin about it :P
[10:39]<+camerongray> Must have been sitting there all day, I must be going blind
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[12:42]<+camerongray> guitar_man?
[12:42]<+camerongray> guitar_man: I really do not appreciate uncalled for abuse either in the channel or in unsolicted PM
[12:57]<guitar_man> am to hear that camerongray basically the same as I do not appreciate the fact you shut down my ability to help with drivers and controllers
[12:57]<guitar_man> i have noted you fail to offer alternatives
[12:57]<+camerongray> I admit I brought it up at first, but it was not me who implemented the new rule and many others were in agreement with me
[12:57]<+camerongray> And the alternative is the manufacturer site, as stated in the new rule
[12:58]<+camerongray> Sure it takes more time, but it's a better solution IMO
[12:58]<guitar_man> manu's sites do not cover odd ball set ups an area I primarily worked in
[12:59]<+camerongray> I've never had an issue
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[12:59]<+camerongray> There is always someone who made the device
[12:59]<+camerongray> Hey Craig
[12:59]<@Calum> haha
[12:59]<@Calum> hey camerongray
[12:59]<+camerongray> I pressed it twice!
[12:59]<+camerongray> Needed 3 times
[13:00]<guitar_man> 2000TB's of drivers controllers wasted
[13:00]<+camerongray> Yeah, despite you being first in the alphabet, go figure
[13:00]<@Calum> you could've just hit a and one tab....
[13:00]<+camerongray> brb phone
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[13:00]<@Calum> or would that have given you your own name? knowing your luck, probably heh
[13:00]<@Calum> ok
[13:02]<+camerongray> Back
[13:02]<@Calum> wb
[13:03]<+camerongray> Yeah, Quassel tries to be smart, and fails
[13:03]<@Calum> heh
[13:04]<+camerongray> guitar_man: You constantly badmouth me in CH and send me abusive PMs, even when I've not been there
[13:04]<+camerongray> Notice how LC doesn't like long running programming conversations in CH? That's one of my main areas I can help, but I don't kick up a fuss or abuse people over it
[13:06]<guitar_man> ch is a general help room not for coders or gaming or shopping advice, so LC i suspect is well justified
[13:06]<+camerongray> And he also implemented the ban on DA
[13:06]<+camerongray> And helping someone design a computer isn't "shopping advice"
[13:07]<+camerongray> You get annoyed at me over the most ridiculous things - Like suggesting someone gets a better CPU for their new build compared to the one they picked
[13:07]<PCdoc> lc himself advices on buying Graphics card etc .. is not shopping advice but is stick to the topic
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[13:08]<@Calum> I do find it a little odd, to say the least, that you seem to single out camerongray, guitar_man, even to the point of abusive messages and name calling when he's not even present in the channel.
[13:09]<+camerongray> For example...
[13:09]<+camerongray> [02:30:44] <guitar_man> hey half wit you around?
[13:09]<+camerongray> [02:31:01] <guitar_man> and this is logged
[13:09]<+camerongray> [02:31:25] <guitar_man> canerongray
[13:09]<+camerongray> [02:31:49] <guitar_man> dick head yo there
[13:09]<+camerongray> [02:32:24] <guitar_man> yeah hiding
[13:09]<@Calum> nobody here wants to cause trouble, nobody wants to disrupt #computerhope, but it's made somewhat difficult by your actions
[13:09]<+camerongray> Notice the timestamp, I wasn't 'hiding' - I would usually be sleeping by then and last night I was out at a club with friends
[13:09]<+camerongray> Quite glad my phone didn't have a signal then, otherwise you would have disruped that too
[13:10]<+camerongray> And yeah, it does get disruptive in CH when you are ranting about me in the middle of other help
[13:10]<guitar_man> 16 + hours a day in the room helping , as opposed to a newbie flushing /venting his ire yeah sure camerongray
[13:11]<+camerongray> You're hadrly a newbie flushing/venting
[13:11]<@Calum> I'm sorry, not sure what that last is in answer to?
[13:11]<+camerongray> Oh, I see
[13:11]<guitar_man> was meaning you
[13:11]<+camerongray> I'm in CH most of the day too
[13:12]<+camerongray> If you can no longer help in CH, move to another channel instead of abusing me
[13:12]<+camerongray> guitar_man: See this thread: http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,139311.0.html
[13:12]<+camerongray> Yes I brought it up
[13:12]<+camerongray> But notice all the other people who also agree that DriverAgent should not be advised?
[13:12]<+camerongray> I guess you don't abuse patio or lostcoast?
[13:13]<PCdoc> I help just like others in the ch channel. But what? I get kicked and banned for 14 days. I complain on the forums and make a fool out of me. But later I get over-it. I forget the crap and moved on.
[13:13]<+camerongray> Yeah, I've also had loads of issues with the operation of the channel, and still do, but I put up with it
[13:13]<PCdoc> as if nothing happened
[13:14]<PCdoc> its IRC, internet .. nothing personal ..
[13:14]<+camerongray> For example at one point a certain operator sent me a very abusive PM over the forums after I last protested about the channel "You ingratiating little *censored* hound. You need to grow up and grow a pair." - Yet I forget about this, realise he was having a bad day and still chat to him all the time, we are even friends on Facebook
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[13:17]<+camerongray> guitar_man: You also make up a lot of stuff and just expect others to believe you - That is very wrong for a channel that is meant to help someone
[13:17]<PCdoc> And you wont believe, the time period I was banned was the most bad days of that week. I am addicted to the channel but I cant get in. Felt frustrated. But now its gone. I dont even wanna remember
[13:18]<+camerongray> guitar_man: For example, your claim that DriverAgent has 2000tb of drivers, my rough calculations based on DriverAgent's own website "Instant Access to 15,897,759 Driver Update Files" works out to an average of each driver file being 131mb which is completely unrealistic showing it is not a correct figure
[13:19]<@Calum> 2PB of drivers? That does sound a little far fetched...
[13:20]<+camerongray> hahah!
[13:20]<+camerongray> guitar_man: Oh wow, and right there I found proof that you lied...
[13:20]<PCdoc> PB ?
[13:20]<+camerongray> Previously you said (in here) "well I got open accfess to 212gb of drivers and contollers . what you got?"
[13:20]<Craig-Work> Good day guys! How goes it?>
[13:20]<@Calum> PCdoc: PB = petabyte, 1PB is 1024GB
[13:21]<@Calum> er, sorry, 1024TB
[13:21]<PCdoc> hahahaha
[13:21]<PCdoc> i was like wt f
[13:21]<+camerongray> guitar_man: So which is it 212gb or almost 2PB? See, just like that you contradict yourself with made up figures
[13:21]<PCdoc> instead of buying hosting, they must be having a whole building of servers :-s
[13:22]<+camerongray> lol yeah
[13:22]<@Calum> indeed, that sure is a lot of storage
[13:22]<guitar_man> was 200 not 2000 and not that I also specified controllers , not just drivers
[13:22]<guitar_man> note*
[13:22]<+camerongray> Still lying
[13:22]<+camerongray> "<guitar_man> 2000TB's of drivers controllers wasted"
[13:22]<+camerongray> Even if you made a typo, that would be 200TB
[13:22]<Craig-Work> You would need 400 3TB drives to make 1PB
[13:23]<+camerongray> 200TB != 200gb
[13:23]<PCdoc> != means not equal to FYI
[13:23]<PCdoc> :D
[13:23]<+camerongray> lol
[13:24]<+camerongray> I can provide evidence for anything I say, something that you never do
[13:24]<PCdoc> yeah the court needs evidence
[13:24]<guitar_man> well it is basically irrelevant now I have lost the affiliate subscription , so is a mute subject now ,
[13:24]<+camerongray> Oh, so in the end it was an affilaite scheme?
[13:25]<Craig-Work> What are you talking about?
[13:25]<+camerongray> Something that you also denied on a regular basis
[13:25]<guitar_man> if by chance you see indianajoe on line ask him and confirm the size of the file base , is his baby
[13:25]<+camerongray> Soooo.... you made money from spamming something like DA in CH which is certainly against the rules
[13:26]<+camerongray> And now you are pissed because you lost the affilate account because you were no longer able to use it?
[13:26]<guitar_man> never made a single penny from the service
[13:26]<+camerongray> So, what do you get out of the "affiliate scheme"?
[13:26]<+camerongray> And if it's IndianaJoe's baby, why can't he give you another account
[13:26]<guitar_man> I surrendered the account , as I am no longer able to use it
[13:27]<+camerongray> Then that was your fault
[13:27]<+camerongray> What did you get out of the account?
[13:27]<+camerongray> Like why do you feel so passionately about no longer being able to advise it?
[13:27]<guitar_man> nothing other than being able to help users
[13:27]<+camerongray> Then move to other methods of getting drivers!
[13:28]<+camerongray> Oh, and do you have any evidence that IndianaJoe made Driveragent?
[13:28]<guitar_man> the basic reason that CH exsists , to help
[13:29]<+camerongray> There are other ways to help!
[13:29]<guitar_man> contact Pheonix bios ask them Phil Young is Indianajoes real name
[13:29]<+camerongray> You mean not the rugby player?
[13:30]<+camerongray> This sounds a lot like you saying that Firefox was originally named something that later turned out to be an area in NZ?
[13:30]<@Calum> genuine question: is finding drivers genuinely a topic that crops up a lot in CH? I can't say I've ever seen it, or thought "gee, I wish I had some magic program to use, because this driver just can't be foudn"
[13:30]<+camerongray> It does get asked a lot, but nothingthat can't be done from a manufacturer
[13:31]<@Calum> fair enough, maye I just haven't seen it crop up then
[13:31]<guitar_man> yes was called remurewa , John Clausen was one of the 5 that set it up , Remurewa is a suburb in Auckland
[13:31]<+camerongray> So it wasn't orignally called Mozilla?
[13:31]<+camerongray> So I'm to believe you, and everything else online is wrong?
[13:32]<+camerongray> guitar_man: Any reason why there is no reference to 'Phil Young' working at phoenix anywhere online?
[13:32]<Craig-Work> Just so you know the only driver updater that works was for Windows XP, and that was only good because it was made by hackers.
[13:32]<PCdoc> DriverAgent is a Windows driver scanning, detection, and update software published originally by Touchstone software. DriverAgent's software scans a user's computer and locates updates to the device drivers on that user's computer. Source - wikipedia
[13:32]<Craig-Work> It is not easy to come by, and was very large to use.
[13:32]<+camerongray> You'd think someone that big would have a linkedin profile
[13:32]<Craig-Work> Hahahahahah
[13:32]<Craig-Work> Also, no business would use a Driver Agent if they have techs.
[13:33]<+camerongray> I can type in anyone at work along with the company name into Google and get evidence they work there - And this is a fairly small company!
[13:33]<PCdoc> TouchStone Software Corporation, Inc. is an American software developer for the personal computer (PC) industry, specializing in system update technology. It also owns and operates a network of Internet Web properties. Based in North Andover, Massachusetts, the company is a subsidiary of Phoenix Technologies
[13:33]<guitar_man> calum around 30 odd percent of enquiries are driver / controller related , majic pills are handy as in they save the users hours of searching
[13:33]<+camerongray> guitar_man: AND you did make up the whole Firefox thing
[13:33]<guitar_man> correct PCdoc
[13:33]<Craig-Work> Calum's not here.
[13:34]<@Calum> Am I not?
[13:34]<Craig-Work> Oh, I am wrong there he is. :p
[13:34]<+camerongray> Craig-Work: He is :P Just up in the fancy Admin section :P
[13:34]<Craig-Work> Missed you in the opps.
[13:34]<PCdoc> no he meant Craig-Work
[13:34]<@Calum> You scared me then, I thought I was a ghost...
[13:34]<Craig-Work> Hahahha Hi Calum.
[13:34]<guitar_man> 120 walter st suite 310 want the phone and fax numbers?
[13:34]<PCdoc> c and tab key
[13:34]<@Calum> hey craig
[13:34]<+camerongray> guitar_man: Other thing, 'XP Black Edition' that's a real edition right?
[13:35]<Craig-Work> What?>
[13:35]<+camerongray> This is your problem, you make stuff up and expect people to believe you...
[13:35]<Craig-Work> When was there an XP Black edition?
[13:35]<@Calum> ah good old XP Black...it's a cracked version with lots of rubbish thrown in
[13:35]<+camerongray> Craig-Work: guitar_man believes it's not a hacked copy
[13:35]<Craig-Work> Bahahahahahaha
[13:35]<guitar_man> is a stripped back XP pro want my microsoft key so you can confirm it is legit?
[13:35]<Craig-Work> Its definitly not an official release of Windows.
[13:35]<PCdoc> wow! that indianajoe is a rich and a big entrepreneur
[13:36]<@Calum> it's not legit...how can it be if you didn't install it from an MS disk?
[13:36]<+camerongray> guitar_man: The issue is that for people like us it's safe as we know it's made up, but when you then tell someone in CH who puts their trust in you, they get wrong and incorrect info!
[13:36]<PCdoc> he owns Touchstone I beleive
[13:36]<PCdoc> believe *
[13:36]<@Calum> the key may be legit but the EULA covers more than just the key, it covers the software itself
[13:36]<guitar_man> the origional instal is a normal xp pro , just got rid of a hell of a lot of crap from it ,
[13:36]<PCdoc> and touchstone owns huge web properties
[13:36]<PCdoc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchstone_software
[13:37]<@Calum> but it's mainly distributed through torrent sites, correct?
[13:37]<Craig-Work> Yes, because wikipedia is a trustable site...
[13:37]<+camerongray> For example... You constantly tell people installing XP to not install SP3 and to stay on SP2 - This is dangerous advice but because those guests trust you, they do it and end up with insecure machines
[13:37]<+camerongray> guitar_man: ^^
[13:37]<@Calum> the question is simple - did you a) install it from a genuine MS disk or b) download it from the MS site? If no, then it's illegal, end of
[13:37]<guitar_man> nope i have the origional disk as well as the stripped back version
[13:38]<guitar_man> from origional disk
[13:38]<+camerongray> But the "black" version has been modifed which is agains the EULA is it not?
[13:38]<Craig-Work> Actually SP3 has some fixes that break things, you can get all the updates for SP3 by updating past SP2 and getting all recommended updates minus SP3/.
[13:38]<+camerongray> guitar_man: Wait, so now 'Black Edition' is no longer an official release, I thought it was?
[13:38]<@Calum> you installed it from the original disk? Do you have a picture of said disk? I'd be very interested to see it...
[13:38]<Craig-Work> That way you are compatible, without loosing security.
[13:38]<guitar_man> I do not sell it or distribute it
[13:38]<+camerongray> I thought oyu spent a day protesting that it was an official release
[13:38]<+camerongray> You also stated it was a "free release!
[13:39]<guitar_man> it is in it's origional form legit , I dumped crap from it is all , "black " was a term coined by a user way back
[13:39]<+camerongray> Your words were "was the coders for MS that wrote black"
[13:40]<+camerongray> And again "xp black came from micro crap staff"
[13:41]<PCdoc> ghosh! its like court-marshell :(
[13:41]<+camerongray> guitar_man: Yes, my client does log everything, pretty useful for proof that you are making stuff up!
[13:41]<guitar_man> and correct there is a Black xp ver , and was the developers ver , was Leaked way back , likely while you wer still in daipers camerongray
[13:42]<PCdoc> court-martial *
[13:42]<+camerongray> I hope I wasn't in diapers when I was 8/9 years old
[13:43]<PCdoc> yuck! camerongray u were in diapers at that age :-o
[13:43]<+camerongray> lol :P
[13:43]<+camerongray> Also "sp3 is pseudo Vista"
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[13:44]<PCdoc> :-o u mean I am using vista:-o
[13:44]<@Calum> I do like how XP is now 12 years old, there are people growing up who are now in secondary school, or equivalent, who were born in the year it was released
[13:44]<+camerongray> lol
[13:44]<+camerongray> Yep, my old school is STILL on XP
[13:44]<@Calum> it's insane how it's still used, I mean seriously, would you be using Windows 95 in 2007?
[13:44]<+camerongray> Yeah
[13:44]<@Calum> because that's what you're doing if you're using XP
[13:44]<+camerongray> I finally got my Granny off of XP and onto 7
[13:44]<+camerongray> And guitar_man - She's extremely happy with the difference
[13:45]<+camerongray> Her only complaint is that "Solatare is different"
[13:45]<guitar_man> a tool is still a tool irregardless of age Calum
[13:45]<+camerongray> But it's old and insecure nowadays so telling people to downgrade to it isn't good advice
[13:45]<@Calum> whoah there, who's a tool now?
[13:45]<@Calum> I thought we were discussing XP?
[13:46]<guitar_man> duh xp
[13:46]<PCdoc> I have dual boot - xp and ubuntu
[13:46]<PCdoc> <3
[13:46]<PCdoc> xp is a tool .. a kind of tool
[13:46]<@Calum> ah, misunderstood, sorry
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[13:46]<+camerongray> I use Linux mostly, then 7/8 on my own PCs, 7 at work and 7/linux at uni
[13:46]<@Calum> it is a tool, but it's also ancient and insecure
[13:46]<Craig-Work> Hey guitar_man You may want to keep your arguments to logical arguments, by bringing insult into it, you are only hurting your stance, and position which is weak at best.
[13:47]<@Calum> it's like using a spanner with a crack in it, sure it's still a tool, but it's quite obviously not fit for the job
[13:47]<guitar_man> insults?
[13:47]<PCdoc> have old comp .. drivers not available
[13:47]<+camerongray> guitar_man: See the PMs you sent to me
[13:47]<Craig-Work> The bit about diapers and camerongray
[13:48]<PCdoc> camerongray is 30 or 40 I think ..
[13:48]<+camerongray> PCdoc: 19 :P
[13:48]<guitar_man> heh ok well is your call if it is an insult Calum
[13:48]<PCdoc> :-o
[13:48]<+camerongray> You have me on Facebook! :P
[13:48]<+camerongray> guitar_man: And calling me "son of a slut" isn't an insult?
[13:48]<+camerongray> I'm actually considering emailing all that stuff to Mibbit
[13:48]<PCdoc> camerongray i thought that thing was not to be told in here :P
[13:48]<PCdoc> said *
[13:49]<PCdoc> omg
[13:49]<PCdoc> yuck
[13:49]<Craig-Work> Also guitar_man, your tone should be calm. By having so many spelling mistakes you are only enforcing that you are getting excited. Calm down, or learn to type better.
[13:49]<+camerongray> guitar_man: And "ya f****** wanker" isn't an insult?
[13:49]<PCdoc> man! you used that word?
[13:49]<Craig-Work> Ok, drop it camerongray, we know that you have been insulted.
[13:50]<guitar_man> blindness is a wee bit of an imparement , well partial blindness , could never get the hang of touch typing
[13:50]<Craig-Work> guitar_man, if that is indeed true, then just slow down.
[13:50]<PCdoc> rich guy
[13:50]<+camerongray> Craig-Work: Aww, I have a database full :P
[13:50]<Craig-Work> :P
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[13:51]<+camerongray> guitar_man: I understand the typing then, but the abuse and insults isn't acceptable
[13:51]<PCdoc> 1:21 am here .. brb .. on fone (touch)
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[13:52]<Craig-Work> Sides, touch usually have autocorrect, so that should not be an issue.
[13:53]<+camerongray> guitar_man: And why do you get so annoyed if I discuss modern hardware with someone? I understand that not everyone can afford new stuff, but that shouldn't ban us from talking about it
[13:53]<@Calum> Indeed. guitar_man you really need to sort that out, because not only is it uncalled for and unnecessary, it's also against Mibbit's TOS, which can be found here - http://mibbit.com/tos.html
[13:53]<@Calum> which could result in a ban from the Mibbit network
[13:53]<Craig-Work> Thanks Calum.
[13:54]<+camerongray> guitar_man: Like Calum's new build, doubt I could come close to affording that but I'm interested in it, I don't spend the whole time telling him to stop talking about
[13:54]<@Calum> that was in reference to the insults etc
[13:54]<+camerongray> guitar_man: Then you got really annoyed at me collecting and restoring vintage computers like my XT
[13:55]<PCdoc> xp
[13:55]<@Calum> I see advertising is also prohibited, which would mean the promotion of DA is actually banned by the network, regardless of how anyone else feels about its usefulness
[13:56]<Craig-Work> Although Calum, he is not selling it. Does it require registration and purchase?
[13:56]<+camerongray> Craig-Work: He gives out trial keys
[13:56]<Craig-Work> Ahh
[13:56]<Craig-Work> That would fall under I guess.
[13:56]<@Calum> The actual wording is as follows
[13:56]<@Calum> Advertising is prohibited. You may not use Mibbit services to advertise, promote or solicit any business, product or service, free or otherwise.
[13:56]<+camerongray> PCdoc: No, IBM Personal Computer XT - According to guitar_man I was bad in buying it in a complete mess, spending £££ restoring it and keeping it in my room taking it into university occasionally for people to see
[13:57]<guitar_man> if I had "advertised" it , you should note that when asked by LC to not post it's ID i stopped, so may be a little off path there Calum
[13:57]<@Calum> guitar_man: I just said the promotion of DA would be banned, not that you continued to do so when asked to stop.
[13:58]<+camerongray> PCdoc: Then you'll love this: http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/camerongray1515/library/Vintage%20Computers/IBM%20PC%20XT%205160?sort=3&page=1
[13:58]<@Calum> I understand it's no longer a topic in CH anyway, I was just posting a snippet from the TOS
[13:58]<guitar_man> it was "banned"so um
[13:58]<+camerongray> guitar_man: So you stopped posting it (Good) and started abusing me (not good)
[13:59]<+camerongray> guitar_man: And I'm still interested in what I did wrong restoring the XT?
[13:59]<PCdoc> hmmm camerongray m on my mobile device. I'll take that link tom. my mobilr will die if i click it
[13:59]<+camerongray> lol
[13:59]<@Calum> that's what I'm saying...it's not allowed within the network's terms of service, regardless, so whether or not anyone had complained it would've been against those terms to promote it in the first place. I know it's no longer an issue, I was just saying.
[14:00]<+camerongray> guitar_man: I loaded it up with a vintage game and took it to a University "games night", people LOVED it including one guy who sat playing it for an hour - https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-cA26OLs329I/UjJJiwkSaaI/AAAAAAAAAiE/iG9EEyBMUr8/w1363-h1022-no/IMG_20130912_171725.jpg - Am I still wrong in restoring it?
[14:00]<PCdoc> lol
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[14:01]<guitar_man> CH himself did not seem to have any grief with it , but as you say is a mute point Calum
[14:01]<+camerongray> guitar_man: Nathan is never there
[14:01]<PCdoc> ch comes inside mibbit
[14:01]<+camerongray> He has essentially given up on the chat aspect of CH
[14:02]<guitar_man> true
[14:02]<PCdoc> ch hs agreed to mibbit's terms. has to
[14:02]<@Calum> It is a moot point now, agreed, but understand that Nathan is not the owner or administrator of the Mibbit network, so even he has to abide within the rules of Mibbit
[14:02]<guitar_man> morrow Zuwer
[14:02]<+camerongray> guitar_man: What I just want to know is why you send me abuse in PM and post crap about me in the channel
[14:02]<@Calum> and again under the TOS, it's agreed that channel owners, admins and ops have to make reasonable efforts to enforce those terms
[14:03]<+camerongray> As it's really not on
[14:03]<guitar_man> advertising , that implies posting for the purposes of sale
[14:04]<+camerongray> Which a driveagent trial may do once it expires "Oh, that was a useful tool, I'll buy it"
[14:04]<Craig-Work> Not always.
[14:04]<@Calum> no...the actual terms state "Advertising is prohibited. You may not use Mibbit services to advertise, promote or solicit any business, product or service, free or otherwise. "
[14:04]<@Calum> so whether it's free or not, advertising anything is still prohibited
[14:04]<+camerongray> guitar_man: Find me an example where I have ever abused/bullied/treatend you
[14:04]<guitar_man> so under that definition posting the name of a Manu of machines , parts etc breaches that same thing
[14:04]<Craig-Work> As Calum has stated guitar_man. No Advertising, free or otherwise.
[14:05]<Craig-Work> No they are not selling them, they are suggesting solutions to problems, they are not advertising a business to buy it from, they are helping with hardware suggestions. The person then chooses where.
[14:06]<guitar_man> name one user who ever paid for the service I gave
[14:06]<+camerongray> We don't know do we!
[14:07]<+camerongray> Even then, it's now banned so that's sorted, what I want to know is why you constantly abuse me
[14:07]<+camerongray> For example, last night when you were tying to make me out as a troll to that homestead guy
[14:07]<Craig-Work> Doesnt matter if paid for or not its advertising a service. Suggesting a product is not the same.
[14:08]<Craig-Work> camerongray, I don't think he will be able to answer that question, nor will then answer playcate you.
[14:08]<+camerongray> Yeah
[14:08]<Craig-Work> the*
[14:08]<guitar_man> so saying AMD is not as good as intel is not advertising that one is a better buy?
[14:09]<+camerongray> It's different from "Here, use this software"
[14:09]<+camerongray> Craig-Work: Apparenlty I was "hiding" from him - Note that this was sent at 2am and I was out at a club with friends, clearly hiding from someone on IRC then :P
[14:09]<guitar_man> or that this manu's machines are a better buy?
[14:09]<+camerongray> Again, that's advice, not "Use this"
[14:10]<Craig-Work> Suggesting that AMD or Intel is a better product is a perference, and therefor a belife, not a sale, or advertisement.
[14:10]<+camerongray> AND, I'm not affiliated with any of them!
[14:10]<Craig-Work> Telling someone to buy it because you have a vested interest is advertisement.
[14:11]<Craig-Work> guitar_man, perferences are not advertisement, but also cannot be based in Fact.
[14:11]<Craig-Work> You may have facts to backup what you believe, but probably could not garentee it in the end.
[14:12]<guitar_man> semantics is that one , and as of yet I still have never recieved a single penny or favour from using DA , that is a rumour that has never been able to be justified , so as there was no reward involved (other than thanks from users)
[14:13]<+camerongray> Then stop getting so mad at the fact you can't use it anymore
[14:13]<+camerongray> There are other IRC channels
[14:13]<guitar_man> IT IS STILL ADVERTISING
[14:13]<+camerongray> I CAN WORL CAPS LOCK TOO
[14:13]<guitar_man> solly bot
[14:13]<Zuwer> Finally woken up,
[14:13]<+camerongray> I guess I can't work spelling though :P
[14:13]<Zuwer> 'morning guitar_man.
[14:14]<guitar_man> he he the java has soaked in huh Zuwer
[14:14]<+camerongray> lol
[14:14]<+camerongray> GAH, stupid HTPC *throws TV out window*
[14:15]<+camerongray> I just want to watch TV "This program has stopped responding" grr
[14:16]<PCdoc> g'nite
[14:16]<guitar_man> cya
[14:16]<+camerongray> hehe
[14:17]<PCdoc> the dev of the bot talking through bot
[14:17]<Craig-Work> Nope
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[14:18]<Craig-Work> hahahaha
[14:18]<+camerongray> This springs to mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv0onXhyLlE
[14:19]<Craig-Work> It was actually a case of the Bot Host talking through the bot.
[14:19]<@Calum> camerongray: I know them feels
[14:20]<+camerongray> Just take everthing he says about the car starting, and translate that to me trying to start a video on iPlayer, and you have what I'm donig
[14:21]<+camerongray> I think it was actually better with Windows 8
[14:22]<@Calum> you know, since I started my build, my laptop sound has gone weird...the mute function doesn't tie in with the hotkey any more. So it glows red, indicating muted, when it's not muted, so I have to actually unmute it twice, then mute it twice
[14:22]<@Calum> as in, once in the sound options and once by pressing the key
[14:22]<@Calum> very weird
[14:22]<+camerongray> "Stream already playing" - No it's not!
[14:23]<Craig-Work> Tellin ya Cam, XBMC
[14:24]<+camerongray> That's what I'm using :P
[14:27]<+camerongray> Ahh well, it's playing now
[14:28]<+camerongray> In chrome that is
[14:37]<+camerongray> "Insufficient bandwidth to stream this program" GAA!
[14:37]<+camerongray> Connection is 100mbps down!
[14:39]<Craig-Work> :P
[14:48]<@Calum> alrighty, I'm off for tonight guys...take it easy
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[16:42]<@BC_Programming> Oh I thought I felt the average IQ in the channel drop a few dozen points
[16:43]<guitar_man> an interesting feeling BC_Programming
[16:43]<@BC_Programming> Not a feeling, an observation
[16:44]<guitar_man> fair enough
[17:35]<Craig-Work> Hahahahaha
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[18:29]<jamer> should i feel acomplished? i just item duplicated in minecraft
[18:29]<@BC_Programming> congratulations
[18:29]<@BC_Programming> you sure it actually duped? Sometimes the "dupes" give ghost items or appear as ghost blocks
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[19:14]<jamer> it was duped
[19:14]<guitar_man> sharp feel accomplished
[19:20]<@BC_Programming> jamer: how did you manage it? block dupe (funky piston arrangement) or item dupe (using hoppers droppers/etc)?
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[19:24]<jamer> anvil .... apparently it glitches and for a split second youll have two items
[19:24]<@BC_Programming> interesting
[19:25]<guitar_man> hit it with a solid object , moves most things
[19:26]<@BC_Programming> jamer: does it work with stuff like diamond blocks? lol... since you can rename them so they appear in the output slot, I'm guessing you'd get a renamed one and the original
[19:27]<jamer> actually i tested it with a stone sword that was damaged and got 2 fully repaired .. ones in the original and ones in the output
[19:28]<@BC_Programming> modded client?
[19:28]<jamer> i have no idea how its not documented yet
[19:28]<jamer> non modded
[19:28]<@BC_Programming> You could put it on Mojira
[19:28]<jamer> its 1.6.2 but i feel its in 1.6.4
[19:31]<jamer> ill test this again
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[20:44]<guitar_man> he he
[20:45]<guitar_man> so jamer and , like pat yaself on the back or was an aboration
[20:55]<guitar_man> ah love the banter is syntillating
[21:22]<guitar_man> oops forgot , room of wounded ones , solly
[21:23]<@BC_Programming> wounded ones?
[21:23]<guitar_man> yeah life does exsist here!
[21:24]<guitar_man> well I been slashing at camerongrays head
[21:24]<guitar_man> ='s wounded
[21:27]<@BC_Programming> He seemed more amused than anything
[21:27]<guitar_man> not cool of me
[21:28]<guitar_man> yeah well i do not see him filling the gap he ripped open , but
[21:28]<@BC_Programming> gap?
[21:28]<guitar_man> am on a promise not to rip his throat out
[21:29]<guitar_man> do not see him helkping with drivers/ controllers
[21:29]<guitar_man> dang blindness is a drag
[21:29]<guitar_man> helping*
[21:29]<@BC_Programming> right ,because pointing them towards a demonstrably low-quality piece of software is 'helping'
[21:30]<guitar_man> debatable advertising manu's sites is better?
[21:30]<@BC_Programming> advertising manu?
[21:30]<guitar_man> advertising being operative word
[21:31]<@BC_Programming> what's manu?
[21:31]<guitar_man> basis of the whole crud
[21:31]<guitar_man> manufacturers
[21:32]<guitar_man> but sorry not gonna debate it gave my word to a friend
[21:32]<@BC_Programming> the manufacturers are the one's making the drivers to begin with. Makes perfect sense to go to the source. Particularly since the Manufacturers are more likely to know their own hardware's VendorIDs.
[21:33]<guitar_man> that wee thing that Jamer ran sounds like a hoot
[21:33]<@BC_Programming> you likely don't even know what he was talking about though
[21:33]<guitar_man> crap is only good if you run a manu's machine screws up with customs
[21:34]<guitar_man> sugar not ment to go here , I will back out
[21:34]<@BC_Programming> "crap is only good if you run a manufacturer's machine screws up with customs" -Guitar_man, vendor of incomprehensible psuedo-english
[21:35]<guitar_man> spend three days looking for a driver controller then say that BC_Programming
[21:37]<@BC_Programming> I don't tend to try to look for fictitious things. a Driver is a piece of software, the Controller would be the hardware. So it would be a Controller Driver, if anything; nonetheless I was pointing out how the statement was just meaningless word salad
[21:37]<guitar_man> he he yeah well local idiom is a tripping point indeed
[21:39]<guitar_man> sad that the rooms are world wide , that sort of miscomprehension happens as a result
[21:39]<guitar_man> good point
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[21:52]<guitar_man> hiatus? geeze an educated bot!
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[21:57]<guitar_man> oops hiatus starts again
[21:57]<guitar_man> not!
[21:58]<guitar_man> educated bots are a trap
[21:58]<guitar_man> get ya every time
[21:58]<@BC_Programming> you think it's educated because it uses the word "hiatus"?
[21:59]<guitar_man> he he nah , was sorta impressed with the programmer
[21:59]<@BC_Programming> jacky?
[21:59]<guitar_man> if that is who then yup
[22:00]<@BC_Programming> Set the messages and wrote the TCL scripts for the bot, though the bot itself is a piece of software called EggDrop
[22:00]<@BC_Programming> Jacky Set*
[22:01]<guitar_man> doh sorry may be an olde but i do comprehend , and yup is a pretty good bot , fun even
[22:02]<guitar_man> some bots are dead
[22:02]<guitar_man> automode
[22:03]<guitar_man> others havew a wee spark of the "trainers " in them
[22:04]<guitar_man> hiatus is a rare word in conversation
[22:04]<guitar_man> so yup jacky is a good trainer
[22:05]<guitar_man> thinks outside the square head

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[22:46]<guitar_man> yo i sorta do not know you BC_Programming
[22:47]<guitar_man> not interfaced a lot if ya know what I mean
[22:48]<guitar_man> may have under another nick tho
[22:48]<guitar_man> mmm?
[22:50]<guitar_man> BC_Programming: hi what you do for work / training ?
[22:51]<@BC_Programming> I work for Mainframe Associates. We develop business software for Inventory Control and Marinas
[22:52]<guitar_man> cool
[22:52]<guitar_man> boats . awee bit of a love , even work with a sail maker in the Bay Of Islands
[22:53]<guitar_man> so stock inventory occupation
[22:53]<@BC_Programming> Not really boats but just some of the marina stuff like moorage/site/slip and charging for electricity and water, reservations, etc.
[22:54]<guitar_man> nice yup
[22:54]<guitar_man> bit bigger than here but catch the drift!
[22:55]<guitar_man> I look after three hulls
[22:55]<guitar_man> evry year one comes out
[22:56]<guitar_man> sugar every*
[22:57]<guitar_man> all around 50 foot
[22:57]<@BC_Programming> right now what most of our customers (the marinas) use is our older software that runs on a 30-year old Mainframe Operating System, almost entirely written in THEOS Multi-User BASIC
[22:57]<guitar_man> one commercial fishing hull and two private sail boats
[22:58]<guitar_man> ouch
[22:58]<@BC_Programming> problem is the OS is getting unstable and need very specific hardware and has a lot of limitations and worst of all untracable crashes and network problems so the product is being migrated to a Windows-Based system which was pretty much why myself and a few other guys were added to the dev team
[22:58]<guitar_man> bugger that would hurt
[22:59]<@BC_Programming> also somebody about 12 years ago apparently removed every single source comment in the older BASIC codebase for some reason so the BASIC code is completely uncommented lol
[22:59]<guitar_man> marine environs are renowned for sticking to the known
[23:00]<@BC_Programming> I think it's more a business thing, same with airlines... they don't care if it's pretty because for them the question is whether it serves their business needs
[23:00]<guitar_man> ya what? hooked out the control paths?
[23:01]<@BC_Programming> hmm?
[23:02]<guitar_man> well what you said was right now what most of our customers (the marinas) use is our older software that runs on a 30-year old Mainframe Operating System, almost entirely written in THEOS Multi-User BASIC problem is the OS is getting unstable and need very specific hardware and has a lot of limitations and worst of all untracable crashes and network problems
[23:02]<guitar_man> etc
[23:03]<@BC_Programming> the issues are intermittent but sometimes a site will have their systems crash every morning for a week, or a few days... one of us will spend hours trying to figure out what is happening, but suddenly it just fixes itself again
[23:04]<guitar_man> he he , don't ya hate auto fix !
[23:04]<@BC_Programming> and we've seen it on other software that runs on that OS to so we figure it's probably an issue with the OS. There is definitely a issue where the network stuff will actually send data to the wrong computer
[23:04]<guitar_man> early command base
[23:05]<@BC_Programming> The issue is that while the OS is still "active" and supported when we report these issues and problems they basically tell us to go away
[23:05]<guitar_man> is aincient software , interface crud is like just begging to happen
[23:06]<guitar_man> but a point to note is , you said yourself , it fixes itself
[23:07]<@BC_Programming> well I mean the problem just "goes away"
[23:07]<guitar_man> so relax
[23:07]<guitar_man> sounds like was well written data
[23:07]<guitar_man> 30 years?
[23:08]<@BC_Programming> we've lost customers as a result and those still on our system do not like having corrupted EOM reports
[23:08]<guitar_man> grrr poof
[23:08]<@BC_Programming> basically it's started to affect their business so it's a problem for them and as a result for us :P
[23:11]<guitar_man> ah ok well in my mind ya got a sound base , thing seems to be the "modern" conception, flash bling and flashing lights
[23:12]<guitar_man> is appeasing that lot without corrupting your staunch base
[23:13]<@BC_Programming> We would rather have the old system be stable than rewrite a new one, but the OS developer refuses to address any of the huge network issues and documentation bugs we've found, So at some point it was decided that the system would be rewritten for a modern OS if only so that it could actually run on modern hardware without having to runup specially built servers due to the THEOS system's
[23:13]<@BC_Programming> limitations
[23:13]<guitar_man> service is providing without compromise
[23:13]<@BC_Programming> in the meantime we started moving all the THEOS systems to Virtual Machines so we could runup beefier servers and just run multiple servers on one system
[23:14]<guitar_man> and result is like you improving?
[23:14]<guitar_man> or standing still
[23:15]<guitar_man> seriously not bashing on ya
[23:17]<@BC_Programming> well it gives me something to work on and there are a few things I know pretty good now that I wouldn't have ever learned on my own like Jasper Reports
[23:17]<guitar_man> he he
[23:18]<guitar_man> go for it then
[23:19]<@BC_Programming> I have no plans to quit... the decision to make a Windows system was made ages ago before I was even hired, I was just one of a few new devs hired because there were only three developers and they couldn't keep up with maintaining and adding features to the old system and creating the windows one, so now there is a bit more manpower
[23:19]<guitar_man> and is a bit olde school , but make a backup before every step
[23:20]<guitar_man> Please?
[23:20]<@BC_Programming> We have a Source code repository :P
[23:20]<guitar_man> cool!
[23:21]<guitar_man> sounds like a good olde school system with a wee bit of ability to evolve
[23:23]<guitar_man> yeah you should do ok with that
[23:23]<@BC_Programming> The end-goal is to eventually be able to stop providing new THEOS-based installs and providing a new system with the same capabilities that runs on Windows.
[23:24]<guitar_man> yeah evolution is better than a new start, new starts never evolve
[23:25]<@BC_Programming> The cost of THEOS licensing is like 3 or 4 times more expensive than Windows and is a massive chunk of what we charge, so if we eliminate that we can take a lot more revenue and we will still be the cheapest option among our competitors
[23:26]<guitar_man> nice
[23:28]<guitar_man> pay ya own wages , good way to keep bosses happy
[23:28]<@BC_Programming> Well I've already gotten 2 1$ raises so far so I'm thinking I must be doing something right heh
[23:29]<guitar_man> sweet
[23:30]<guitar_man> logic is a cruel master , but a great friend , if ya think about it inevitbly a path will evolve
[23:33]<guitar_man> may wanna keep a few innovations to yourself tho , especially if they are when you are not being paid !~!!
[23:34]<@BC_Programming> We work from home and are to file pretty much any hours we work remotely
[23:34]<@BC_Programming> which is pretty cool because if I feel like working on my Work Order at 2AM I can heh
[23:35]<guitar_man> ok well I was saying if you come up with "the solution" and you are not on salarie ,
[23:35]<guitar_man> think about it
[23:36]<guitar_man> salary*
[23:36]<guitar_man> that was all
[23:36]<@BC_Programming> I would be reimbursed if I came up with some ground-breaking fix though, in some way
[23:37]<guitar_man> and how many other users of the same base would it be "sold on" to?
[23:38]<guitar_man> negotiate
[23:39]<@BC_Programming> That's not being a team player, that's being a stick in the mud, though. I already get paid well enough and I'm not about to hold any ground-breaking solution hostage, since that would simply breed animuousity
[23:39]<guitar_man> like fair work for fair pay
[23:40]<guitar_man> they are not team players
[23:40]<guitar_man> they run a team to make their profits better
[23:41]<guitar_man> sorry am gonna go away and get some food
[23:42]<guitar_man> bbl