Session Start: Tue Aug 06 00:00:00 2013 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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Session Start: Tue Aug 06 00:30:19 2013 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:30] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:30] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[07:33]<Craig> Hey Jacky, sorry about shutting down Chanbot before you could get at him, I needed to move the server last night. Short notice stuff due to my sister in law moving in with us around wednesday.
[07:33]<@jacky> cool
[07:33]<@jacky> the bot is here
[07:33]<@jacky> can't beat that
[07:33]<@jacky> hehe
[07:34]<Craig> :P
[07:34]<@jacky> hope all is well
[07:34]<Craig> Seems that the bot is more robust than you thought :P
[07:34]<@jacky> than _I_ thought?
[07:34]<@jacky> ?
[07:34]<Craig> You told me that they didn't like being killed rather than being stopped from command line
[07:35]<@jacky> ah
[07:35]<@jacky> that is correct
[07:35]<@jacky> there is a "right" way
[07:35]<Craig> Also, I have no way of talking to Chanbot, my user name is not recognized.
[07:35]<@jacky> doesn't mean that we can't "get away" with other ways, almost all the time
[07:35]<@jacky> :)
[07:35]<@jacky> really?
[07:35]<Craig> Yeah
[07:35]<@jacky> brb.. let me double check that
[07:35]<Craig> but I can't do it right now.
[07:35]<Craig> I have to go to work
[07:36]<@jacky> np
[07:36]<@jacky> yep. you are in there
[07:36]<@jacky> perhaps your ip / hostmask changed
[07:36]<@jacky> and you may not remember the command to be able to update it
[07:36]<Craig> Hmmm maybe I used my old password?
[07:36]<Craig> That could also be true.
[07:36]<@jacky> re: pword, I can't say. I can't see them
[07:36]<Craig> we'll do it another day
[07:36]<@jacky> I can erase one though
[07:36]<@jacky> yep
[07:36]<@jacky> just remind me
[07:36]<@jacky> :)
[07:36]<Craig> Will do
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[07:59]<+camerongray> Hey Tux2
[08:00]<+Tux2> Hey camerongray
[08:01]<@jacky> Tux2: Hello
[08:04]<+Tux2> hey jacky
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[08:58]<+camerongray> <guest_82> Im doing php mysql and there is a perfectly working code which wont work for no reason when i changed the table name
[08:58]<+camerongray> <Azander> what error message?
[08:58]<+camerongray> <guest_82> no error message
[08:58]<+camerongray> <db100547> *boom* lol
[08:58]<+camerongray> <guest_82> its a login page for admin and wont do anything
[08:58]<+camerongray> <camerongray> What does it do wrong?
[08:58]<+camerongray> <guest_82> bt login page for members does work
[08:58]<+camerongray> <camerongray> This may help: http://php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-error.php
[08:58]<+camerongray> <camerongray> That will return the error message from MySQL
[08:58]<+camerongray> <guest_82> ooh thanks :D
[08:58]<+camerongray> <Azander> there is always an error message if something is wrong. IT may just not display it. Without the error message we cannot help you.
[08:58]<+camerongray> <guest_82> thanks
[08:59]<+camerongray> <camerongray> It may be writing the error message to your PHP log file instead of displaying this
[08:59]<+camerongray> <camerongray> it*
[08:59]<+camerongray> <Azander> yep
[08:59]<+camerongray> <db100547> always best the check event viewer , there *may* be one there ,
[08:59]<+camerongray> <camerongray> Won't be in Event Viewer, but PHP does have its own log file
[08:59]<+camerongray> He Tried
[08:59]<@BC_Programming> hahahahaha Event Viewer
[09:00]<@BC_Programming> error_reporting(E_ALL);
[09:00]<@BC_Programming> ini_set('display_errors', 1);
[09:01]<+camerongray> Yeha
[09:02]<@BC_Programming> credit where it's due though they didn't instantly kick-ban for asking something programming related
[09:02]<+camerongray> lol!
[09:02]<+camerongray> <db100547> it was only a 'maybe' , not a definitive , 'would'
[09:02]<+camerongray> Then he quit :P
[09:03]<@BC_Programming> he's touchy about his terminal illness
[09:03]<@BC_Programming> that illness
[09:03]<@BC_Programming> "ignorance"
[09:03]<+camerongray> lol!
[09:03]<+camerongray> I know what event viewer is, that'll do it
[09:04]<+camerongray> Then he falls flat on his face!
[09:04]<+camerongray> And chances are, the person is running the PHP on a *NIX server
[09:04]<@BC_Programming> it's "Windows reserves workspace memory" all over again
[09:04]<+camerongray> hahaha
[09:05]<+camerongray> I bet he would get all excited at the PHP memory limit
[09:05]<@BC_Programming> heheh
[09:05]<@BC_Programming> I was genuinely amused as in lol-ing at his "refutations:
[09:05]<@BC_Programming> "that's BS"
[09:05]<@BC_Programming> or "BULL"
[09:06]<@BC_Programming> I imagine most people back down at that point, thinking he isn't speaking from his behind
[09:42]<PCdoc> lol @ event viewer... dumbo
[09:43]<@BC_Programming> No Dumbo had big ears and as a result was able to listen
[09:43]<@BC_Programming> heheh
[09:45]<+camerongray> bahaha!
[09:56]<@BC_Programming> "If you think "Regular Expressions" are platitudes about getting plenty of fiber in your diet, you might not be a Software Developer."
[09:57]<+camerongray> haha
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[11:17]<@BC_Programming> :)
[11:17]<@BC_Programming> :D
[11:17]<@BC_Programming> so gais!
[11:18]<@BC_Programming> Guess who is going to be working full time in a few days
[11:18]<@BC_Programming> :D
[11:19]<+Tux2> AWESOME! YOU GOT THE JOB!!!!
[11:20]<+Tux2> :D :D ;D
[11:20]<+camerongray> NICE!"
[11:20]<+camerongray> /notice Tux2 He's in a good mood, lets try and get stuff off of him
[11:21]<+camerongray> jk :P
[11:21]<+Tux2> Rofl!
[11:21]<+camerongray> lostcoast did that in CH accidentally, rather amusnig :P
[11:22]<@BC_Programming> Apparently something HUGE came up since my interview
[11:22]<+Tux2> tee hee
[11:22]<+Tux2> Oh? Really BC_Programming?
[11:22]<@BC_Programming> and an entire segment of their software basically blew itself up
[11:23]<+camerongray> NIce!
[11:23]<+camerongray> *shifty eyes*
[11:23]<@BC_Programming> They are having a meeting tomorrow to decide whether they can hire two people and have the current developers able to train them, or whether they are hiring two people and just letting them get familiar with the code on their own- without bothering the current devs who will be busy "paddling to shore after a shipwreck" as he put it
[11:24]<+camerongray> Ahh cool
[11:24]<+camerongray> Also kinda good they are hiring more than one person - Means you aren't the only new guy
[11:24]<@BC_Programming> heheh
[11:25]<@BC_Programming> it's cool because I was only expecting part-time
[11:25]<@BC_Programming> at least at first
[11:25]<+camerongray> Yeah, it's great!
[11:25]<+camerongray> Aww no, Fedora 19 is out
[11:25]<+camerongray> And I had stuff to do, but now I want to upgrade
[11:25]<@BC_Programming> but then he had a phone call, came back into the coffee shop afterwards and first thing he asked was "How would you feel about working full time with us?"
[11:26]<+camerongray> awesome!
[11:26]<+camerongray> Phone call was "Everything blew up, then Geoff threw a fit and walked out"
[11:26]<@BC_Programming> my face: http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/040/9/4/cutiemark_crusaders_being_cute_by_iks83-d4p6jbs.gif
[11:26]<+camerongray> hahaha!
[11:27]<+camerongray> Now to think, what to upgrade first :P
[11:27]<+Tux2> ROFL BC_Programming! I'm SOOOOO happy for you. :D
[11:28]<@BC_Programming> :D
[11:28]<+camerongray> Same!
[11:28]<@BC_Programming> oh he also told me what the interviewer told him about how I dealt with the code samples
[11:28]<@BC_Programming> "Like a knife through butter"
[11:28]<@BC_Programming> which is funny because I thought it took me forever lol
[11:29]<+camerongray> lol
[11:29]<@jacky> BC_Programming: Congrats. :)
[11:29]<+camerongray> Oh, I suppose that's good for studying - To upgrade fedora I have to switch to a text console, meaning I can't use my machine to get distracted!
[11:29]<@BC_Programming> you could also upgrade to an Inspiron
[11:29]<@BC_Programming> they use those in big companies
[11:29]<@BC_Programming> and by "big companies" I mean db's janitorial closet
[11:29]<+camerongray> hahaha!
[11:30]<@BC_Programming> oh he was saying that originally it was going to be between me and another candidate
[11:30]<@BC_Programming> whose name he couldn't remember
[11:30]<+camerongray> One thing you may want to consider though if you are working on your own machine is, when you can afford it, get a second drive and OS install purely for work
[11:30]<@jacky> are you working from home?
[11:30]<@BC_Programming> well I could use my laptop
[11:30]<+camerongray> My laptop is used as my work machine, and over time it's pretty much full of software and extensions for work
[11:30]<@BC_Programming> it's pretty much pristine
[11:31]<@BC_Programming> jacky: yeah at least as far as I'm aware
[11:31]<@jacky> ah. ok
[11:31]<@jacky> how did you hear of the opening ?
[11:31]<@jacky> that's great...
[11:31]<@BC_Programming> the owner I talked to today said he'd like to get everybody back in offices... "call me old fashioned, but then you better call google old-fashioned since they are doing it too"
[11:31]<+camerongray> Ahh, that's good!
[11:32]<@jacky> "... get everybody back in offices" <<< has to do with mind set, I bet
[11:32]<+camerongray> Probably better, I work from home somtimes, can be quite distracting
[11:32]<@jacky> see?
[11:32]<@jacky> heh
[11:32]<@BC_Programming> I'd prefer it to
[11:32]<+camerongray> And you can't just shout "Oi, what's the password for x" to someone
[11:32]<@jacky> how did you hear of the opening ?
[11:32]<@BC_Programming> oh sorry jacky... it wasn't an opening
[11:32]<@BC_Programming> I actually sent them a letter of inquiry a few months ago iirc
[11:33]<@jacky> very nice
[11:33]<@jacky> and they responded, eventually
[11:33]<@BC_Programming> I might have applied for a position though if I did I don't remember, I applied for so many :/
[11:33]<@jacky> heh
[11:33]<+camerongray> Working in an office will be good though
[11:33]<+camerongray> No unreliable VPNs :P
[11:33]<@BC_Programming> yeah that's a long-term idea he had though
[11:34]<@jacky> well... if this (whatever it is) sounds like something you might like - meaning you're not just taking it because it is there - then I'm very glad for you
[11:34]<@BC_Programming> it's programming man
[11:34]<+camerongray> lol
[11:34]<@BC_Programming> beats making donuts by about a billion times
[11:34]<+camerongray> hahaha yeah
[11:34]<@jacky> if or when he - the boss - ever gets everybody in an office though... where is it?
[11:34]<@jacky> will you have to move?
[11:34]<@BC_Programming> no it's in town
[11:35]<@BC_Programming> It's a few hours walk or a bus ride... but hey I could buy a car
[11:35]<@jacky> camerongray: pssst! ... wait 'till they tell him that the client that needs the programming, is a donut machine maker
[11:35]<+camerongray> hahaha!
[11:35]<@BC_Programming> it's marina software afaik
[11:35]<@jacky> few hours!! that's like 8 or more miles
[11:35]<+camerongray> mmm, niche :P
[11:35]<@BC_Programming> jacky: yeah sounds about right
[11:36]<@jacky> too far to walk. a heck of a bike ride
[11:36]<@jacky> yep.. save. used car
[11:36]<@jacky> heh
[11:36]<@BC_Programming> but it was worth it
[11:36]<+camerongray> I've moved so near to work, it's great!
[11:36]<+camerongray> And 10 mins walk from uni
[11:36]<@jacky> was? you walked it??
[11:36]<@BC_Programming> jacky: yes, for the interview
[11:36]<@jacky> whew
[11:36]<@BC_Programming> cooked myself in terms of sunburn
[11:36]<@jacky> I'd have had a hard time judging the time needed, to walk it
[11:37]<@jacky> were you like 2 hours early or something?
[11:37]<@BC_Programming> I was actually an hour early
[11:37]<@BC_Programming> but I waited across the road
[11:37]<@jacky> and all sweaty and icky? heheeheh
[11:37]<@jacky> "Oh! let's hire that lurker out there on the street"
[11:37]<@BC_Programming> I was careful to avoid sweat and keep to shady paths
[11:37]<@jacky> heh
[11:37]<@BC_Programming> heh
[11:38]<@jacky> well.. again ... congrats. :)
[11:38]<@BC_Programming> I ended up being 5 minutes late because I thought when they said "In the back" they meant to go around the back, but they actually meant to go in the front and they were in the back room
[11:38]<+camerongray> lol
[11:38]<@jacky> you tried to sneak in the back door of the place?
[11:38]<@jacky> that had to go over well....
[11:38]<@jacky> heh
[11:38]<@BC_Programming> Well I knocked lol
[11:38]<@BC_Programming> thankfully nobody answered
[11:39]<@BC_Programming> When he said I was late I applied a lesson my CS teacher gave me- NEVER make an excuse. Just apologize
[11:39]<@jacky> "Where did that strange lurker that was across the street go?" ... "I think he's tring to break in the back door"
[11:39]<@jacky> depends on your definition of "excuse".
[11:39]<@jacky> the truth wouldn't be an excuse
[11:39]<@jacky> it is just facts
[11:40]<@jacky> heh
[11:40]<@BC_Programming> well if I said "oh I was hanging around the back like a doofus" I didn't think that would look good
[11:40]<@jacky> now THAT is a good point
[11:40]<@jacky> "I hid for an hour in the bushes across the street first though"
[11:40]<@jacky> heheheheeh
[11:41]<@jacky> when do you start?
[11:42]<@BC_Programming> I'm not sure, the owner and the current devs are going to have a meeting to plan how they should approach the big network issue they have with a certain part of the software, which needs to be dealt with right away
[11:43]<@jacky> cool
[11:43]<@BC_Programming> it's more a question of whether the current devs can afford to "babysit" the new devs with the software and answer questions or whether they will have a crunch-time... which is fine, I'm sure I'll be able to learn enough on my own
[11:43]<@jacky> I hope it is soon
[11:44]<@jacky> so you are not just hanging... for weeks
[11:44]<@BC_Programming> yeah he didn't give that impression, this seems like the sort of thing he wants to sort out ASAP
[11:44]<@jacky> good.. good
[11:45]<@BC_Programming> get some new developers on the project, and up to speed as soon as possible to speed up migration to C# from the older 80's mainframe system, especially since part of it is starting to fall apart and they can't figure out why
[11:45]<@BC_Programming> one part apparently just buckles under the load and the entire network goes down and they think it's something within the old OS itself that they cannot change
[11:46]<@jacky> what is the old OS?
[11:46]<@jacky> and what will be the new one?
[11:46]<@BC_Programming> the old OS is THEOS
[11:46]<@jacky> I have no idea what that is... heheeh
[11:46]<@BC_Programming> I don't know what the new one wil lbe, all I know is they are modernizing to a C# architecture with modern database design
[11:46]<@BC_Programming> neither did I... seems to be very similar to VAX/VMS
[11:47]<@BC_Programming> pretty much a ~80s multi-user system
[11:47]<@jacky> ok
[11:47]<@jacky> regarding C# are you self taught?
[11:47]<@BC_Programming> yes
[11:47]<@jacky> will your style fit in? you are apt to be non-conforming, aren't you?
[11:48]<@BC_Programming> non-conforming?
[11:48]<@jacky> hard to explain
[11:48]<@jacky> the way you do things, I guess
[11:48]<@jacky> you know how there are 48 different ways to get something done?
[11:48]<@BC_Programming> yeah... it depends how they do things
[11:48]<@jacky> and a formal school teaches that "this is the right way"
[11:48]<@BC_Programming> when they have a dozen or so developers doing something one way, no new person is going to be able to come in and say "no, that's wrong" even if he does have two awards
[11:49]<@jacky> oh.. I didn't mean it that way
[11:49]<@jacky> I meant... if somebody comes along and looks at what you write
[11:49]<@jacky> might they have trouble following it?
[11:49]<@BC_Programming> well
[11:49]<@BC_Programming> they already looked at some of the code I have online
[11:49]<@jacky> hey... that's good
[11:49]<@jacky> done deal
[11:49]<@jacky> :)
[11:50]<@BC_Programming> They said it was excellent... in fact it was the code I had and how well written it was that caused them to pass up their usual restriction where they require a degree
[11:50]<@jacky> excellent!
[11:50]<@BC_Programming> basically "this guy doesn't have a degree but he sure knows what he's doing"
[11:50]<@jacky> well.. I hope you meet somebody that is not a jerk, and perhaps takes you under his wing... shows you the ropes
[11:50]<@BC_Programming> also between me and the one other candidate they are seriously considering, I was the preference heheh
[11:51]<@BC_Programming> I base this on the fact that he couldn't remember the other guys name
[11:51]<@jacky> take that with a grain of salt
[11:51]<@BC_Programming> well he remembered mine just fine
[11:51]<@jacky> that might be his lame way of just not telling you the guys name
[11:51]<@jacky> he was talking to you
[11:51]<@jacky> hehe
[11:51]<@BC_Programming> no he said "it was... L... l something.... landen? no... I don't remember"
[11:52]<@jacky> you are probably right then. or, he's a good actor
[11:52]<@BC_Programming> heheh
[11:52]<@jacky> :)
[11:52]<@BC_Programming> heh he's a musician
[11:52]<@BC_Programming> and he asked "you play any instruments"
[11:52]<@jacky> is that common ground?
[11:52]<@BC_Programming> and I said "I tried to play a piano once"
[11:52]<@BC_Programming> "there were no survivors"
[11:53]<@jacky> heh
[11:53]<@jacky> I should get going. I hope all proceeds well... and soon. :)
[11:53]<@jacky> take care
[11:53]<@BC_Programming> thanks Jacky :)
[11:53]<@jacky> congrats on the good news
[11:53]<@jacky> :)
[11:53]<@jacky> 
[11:53]<@jacky> 
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[11:58]<+Tux2> lol, common question for programmers, most of us play an instrument
[11:58]<@BC_Programming> yeah he's actually a musician and plays in a band, the owner that is
[11:59]<+Tux2> ;)
[11:59]<@BC_Programming> he doesn't work with the day to day operations he's just the guy with the pursestrings (his words) and tries to keep a focus on long term goals
[12:31]<+Tux2> lol, well, I need to get going guys, see you later!
[12:31]<@BC_Programming> later tux
[12:31]<@BC_Programming> if that is your real name
[12:32]<+Tux2> lol
[12:32]<+Tux2> You should know it. ;) It's Josh
[12:32]<@BC_Programming> I know I'm being facetious :P
[12:33]<+Tux2> Exactly
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[12:44]<+camerongray> It's odd, we all know eachother's real names, but we still call eachother by our nicks :P
[12:44]<@BC_Programming> heh
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[12:53]<+camerongray> Hey ChanbotVII
[12:53]<+camerongray> Right
[12:53]<+camerongray> I give up
[12:53]<@Calum> haha
[12:53]<@BC_Programming> lol
[12:54]<+camerongray> It's because you aren't here enough, I'm not used to it :P
[12:54]<@BC_Programming> you might want to start typing out ca at least before tab heheh
[12:54]<+camerongray> hehehe
[12:54]<@Calum> I see, you just miss me that much huh? So you get overexcited when you see me
[12:55]<+camerongray> lol
[12:55]<@BC_Programming> "oh it's calum so excited can't keep hands steady oh no I said hi to chanbot do you think he noticed oh no now I feel silly play it cool"
[12:55]<+camerongray> Calum: Don't think I showed you my flat?
[12:55]<@Calum> BC_Programming: exactly like that, I'm pretty glad I don't live nearby!
[12:55]<@Calum> camerongray: not yet no
[12:55]<+camerongray> http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/camerongray1515/library/Flat
[12:56]<@BC_Programming> Calum: I will likely be working full time as a C# developer shortly :D
[12:56]<+camerongray> Quite a difference between the desk the flat came with and the one I bought :P
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[12:57]<@Calum> BC_Programming: oh sweet, nice one!
[12:57]<@Calum> camerongray: looking good man
[12:57]<+camerongray> Hey Cassie!
[12:57]<wonderwoman> Hey Cameron :D
[12:58]<@BC_Programming> I talked to the owner and he said it was basically between me and another candidate, but something came up and they actually think they ought to hire two new people
[12:58]<wonderwoman> Heard about the servers Cameron? They are so cool.
[12:58]<@Calum> BC_Programming: I see, well that sounds really good then, glad to hear it!
[12:59]<@BC_Programming> so the question they are asking themselves is whether the new devs will be babysat by the old devs or whether the old devs will be too busy with the disaster cleanup that happened with the software in the last week, in which case we will basically be given access and get to know the project on our own
[12:59]<@Calum> fair enough
[12:59]<+camerongray> I'm still amazed that this desk is still standing after like 3 days! I mean *I* assembled it!
[12:59]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: haha
[13:00]<+camerongray> At one point I was using my screwdriver as a hammer!
[13:00]<@Calum> hah, we built a chest of drawers last week, quite surprised that's still standing too
[13:00]<@BC_Programming> ~16 dollars a month at 40 hours a week= lots of moniez
[13:00]<+camerongray> An hour I assume? :P
[13:00]<@Calum> I was about to say
[13:00]<@BC_Programming> haha
[13:00]<@BC_Programming> lol
[13:00]<@BC_Programming> sweatshop
[13:00]<+camerongray> That's VERY good!
[13:00]<@BC_Programming> yeah per hour
[13:00]<@Calum> I wouldn't count 16 dollars a month as a particularly great opportunity
[13:01]<@Calum> that's cool though
[13:01]<@BC_Programming> and that is just to start
[13:01]<+camerongray> More than me :( :P
[13:01]<@BC_Programming> how much do you make if I may ask
[13:01]<+camerongray> £9.25/hour
[13:01]<+camerongray> Not great, then again, it's a student job
[13:02]<@BC_Programming> something like 11$ isn't that?
[13:02]<+camerongray> $14.75
[13:02]<+camerongray> CAD
[13:02]<@BC_Programming> ahh that isn't bad
[13:02]<@Calum> I'm on about the same as you cameron
[13:02]<wonderwoman> I feel so sad
[13:02]<+camerongray> Ahh nice!
[13:02]<wonderwoman> i earn so tiny :(
[13:02]<wonderwoman> 6.83 poor meee
[13:02]<@Calum> I don't really know my hourly wage so that's a rough calculation
[13:03]<wonderwoman> I will sit here and cry on my shit hourly wage :O
[13:03]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah, I log hours to a timesheet since although I work full time ATM, I normally work a few hours before/after uni
[13:03]<@BC_Programming> Chanbot: STFU u
[13:03]<@BC_Programming> freaking Gestapo Bot
[13:04]<+camerongray> Well, I say I log to a timesheet - More: Shutdown PC, realise I forgot to update timesheet, stick note on desk reminding me to do it, forget, wait for end of month "Cameron, there's nothing in your timesheet", then have to work out what I did :P
[13:04]<@Calum> heh
[13:05]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, and after my rant at LibreOffice yesterday, got this tweet: "Again - please file a bug preferably with the test sheet - this one doesn't look so confidential :-) Thanks !"
[13:05]<@BC_Programming> what was that about
[13:05]<+camerongray> Yeah, a list of a companies analytics report suites and sites isn't too confidential :P
[13:05]<@Calum> heh
[13:05]<+camerongray> When I ranted on Twitter about Libre
[13:06]<@BC_Programming> I replied to that
[13:06]<+camerongray> Yeah , so true!
[13:06]<+camerongray> Best software ever! https://twitter.com/camerongray1515/media/grid
[13:06]<+camerongray> oops
[13:06]<+camerongray> https://twitter.com/camerongray1515/status/364393046768484353/photo/1
[13:06]<+camerongray> And: https://twitter.com/camerongray1515/status/364352770251296768/photo/1
[13:06]<@BC_Programming> "It's Open Source, Fix it yourself"
[13:06]<@Calum> haha, nice
[13:07]<@Calum> I was going to ask if Libreoffice was any good but evidently not
[13:07]<+camerongray> heehe
[13:07]<+camerongray> Could be worse I suppose
[13:07]<+camerongray> But flips out on my machine for some reason
[13:07]<+camerongray> WINE is amazing though! https://twitter.com/camerongray1515/status/364392000377724928/photo/1
[13:07]<@BC_Programming> Like I say Openoffice and LibreOffice are only good replacements for Office if you never use Office to begin with
[13:08]<@BC_Programming> like the people that think they need an entire Office suite for making wedding invitations
[13:08]<+camerongray> lol!
[13:08]<@Calum> I used to like Openoffice, used it most of the way through school and college...haven't used it recently
[13:08]<+camerongray> I never use it in my spare time, all my uni work is Google Docs
[13:08]<+camerongray> But at work we have .docx stuff
[13:08]<@BC_Programming> I use Office 2013 now because I get it free so hey wtf
[13:08]<@Calum> oh, don't get me started on that! Our HR manager "desperately" needs indesign and photoshop for some unknown reason
[13:08]<+camerongray> Libreoffice likes to corrupt documents too :P
[13:09]<+camerongray> Was sitting in the office and heard "Which complete knob broke all the templates" - Checked and was so happy it wasn't me :P
[13:09]<+camerongray> Thought libre had corrupted it
[13:10]<+camerongray> Hard for someone to deny they broke the template when the template has been replaced with "Prepared by: <person's name>"
[13:10]<@BC_Programming> leprechauns
[13:10]<+camerongray> lol
[13:10]<+camerongray> Calum: Not your money, BUY ALL THE SOFTWARE! :P
[13:10]<@BC_Programming> Or mongolian leper war chiefs
[13:11]<@BC_Programming> leperkhans
[13:11]<+camerongray> There's software that we have at work, $1999.00 a year!
[13:11]<@BC_Programming> Sitecatalyst
[13:11]<+camerongray> Nah, Tableau
[13:11]<+camerongray> SiteCatalyst - Or "ShiteCatalyst" is way more
[13:11]<@BC_Programming> well site catalyst is a catalyst... for murder... of the people who made it
[13:12]<+camerongray> And it was literally a case of "If you want a licence, raise your hand"
[13:12]<+camerongray> Sitecatalyst IIRC is in the hundreds of thousands!
[13:12]<@BC_Programming> I like how BCJobClock and BASeBlock use Product keys and registration but then I go and basically write a blog post explaining exactly how it works so it would be trivial to crack haha
[13:12]<+camerongray> But we don't pay that, clients do
[13:13]<+camerongray> Other issue using your own PC for work - Now when I go on certain sites I get a message "Sitecatalyst tag found"
[13:14]<+camerongray> New version of SiteCatalyst came out though
[13:14]<+camerongray> They tried
[13:14]<+camerongray> Looks a bit better and has a few nice features, but so slow and really not nice on my 1366x768 laptop
[13:14]<@Calum> what's sitecatalyst?
[13:14]<+camerongray> Adobe's analytics system
[13:14]<@Calum> ah right
[13:15]<+camerongray> I tend to rant about it's crapness here
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[13:15]<@Calum> heh fair enough, I don't use any Adobe software apart from (reluctantly) Flash
[13:15]<+camerongray> It's stupid things, like if you try and break down the data by too many elements with the API, instead of telling you, it returns nonsense!
[13:15]<+camerongray> Screen Resolution: United Kingdom
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[13:15]<@Calum> hah
[13:16]<@BC_Programming> I accidentally clicked the mIRC icon and started a new instance lol
[13:16]<+camerongray> And this is in the hundreds of thousands of $ on a yearly basis!
[13:16]<@BC_Programming> Photoshop, I like. It has it's issues but I can see why it's top dog in that field
[13:16]<+camerongray> Yeah
[13:16]<+camerongray> Sitecatalyst is web based though, adobe host it
[13:17]<+camerongray> But it's so slow it's unbelieveble!
[13:17]<@BC_Programming> Nothing else Adobe does is really that impressive... They managed to screw up flash even more than it was, destroyed Freehand, which was at the time better than illustrator...
[13:17]<+camerongray> For example, we dared to make a request for video views by country from a site since January 2011 until now
[13:18]<+camerongray> Took 5 days to complete!
[13:18]<@Calum> we have Acrobate, Indesign and Photoshop at work but I don't have much to do with them, other then deactivate/reactivate licenses sometimes
[13:18]<+camerongray> And then it just "forgot" 2012
[13:18]<+camerongray> 2011*
[13:18]<@Calum> ...and I keep typing Acrobat as Acrobate for some reason
[13:18]<+camerongray> lol!
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[13:18]<@BC_Programming> It's called Acrobat because it will make you bend over backwards
[13:19]<@Calum> heh
[13:20]<+camerongray> Uni machines are fun, Acrobat takes 10 mins to load
[13:30]<+camerongray> Found a Model M cheap on eBay - Don't need, but want :P
[13:30]<@BC_Programming> hmm I could make a super-powerful PC build....
[13:30]<@BC_Programming> SUPER BUILD
[13:30]<@Calum> camerongray: link??
[13:31]<+camerongray> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IBM-Model-M-keyboard-102-key-UK-layout-1391406-Oct-91-PS2-buckling-spring-clicky-/161080716219?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item258128abbb
[13:31]<@Calum> getting the look of doom from Cassie
[13:31]<+camerongray> lol!
[13:31]<@Calum> do want
[13:31]<+camerongray> 1991 is a pretty good age
[13:32]<+camerongray> Before Lexmark cheapened them so still has the detachable cable.etc
[13:32]<+camerongray> I don't think it has the metal stabilizer on the enter key like my 1989 one but it's fine
[13:33]<@Calum> I asume it's late enough to use a normal PS2 connector as well?
[13:33]<@BC_Programming> those are heavy because they have transformers
[13:33]<+camerongray> Yeah, most of them do since they were sold with the IBM PS/2 machine
[13:33]<+camerongray> hahaha!
[13:33]<@Calum> I know nothing about model Ms hah sorry for the stupid question
[13:33]<@BC_Programming> you should check event viewer for PHP errors....
[13:33]<+camerongray> Just remember that a cheap adapter won't work as they expect the keyboard to switch to USB mode
[13:33]<@Calum> ah yeah, those transofmrers weight a bit
[13:33]<+camerongray> You need an "active" adapter
[13:34]<@Calum> I think the SR-2 has PS2...
[13:34]<+camerongray> nice!
[13:34]<@Calum> it does
[13:34]<+camerongray> Lucky!
[13:34]<+camerongray> This is what I got: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Connectland-0709014-Dual-Interface-Card/dp/B0087NWCF8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375817658&sr=8-1&keywords=ps%2F2+pci
[13:34]<@BC_Programming> if I make a new build I could turn this one into a lamp
[13:34]<+camerongray> Not true PS/2
[13:34]<@Calum> wow I didn't even know you could get addon PS2 cards
[13:34]<+camerongray> It's nifty though, 4 port USB 2.0 hub with a USB to PS/2 converter on it
[13:34]<@Calum> BC_Programming: a lamp?
[13:35]<@BC_Programming> well not really
[13:35]<+camerongray> So annoyingly can't access BIOS with it, but a bit neater than an adapter
[13:35]<@BC_Programming> obviously it would just be a backup machine :D
[13:35]<@Calum> heh
[13:35]<@BC_Programming> and I'd have a backup graphics card to use in a new one also, win-win
[13:35]<+camerongray> No complaints from flatmates yet :D
[13:35]<@Calum> then you're not typing properly ;)
[13:36]<+camerongray> Apart from they were saying they can use it to tell if I'm in or not
[13:36]<@Calum> heh
[13:36]<@Calum> I can't wait to be back on my mechanical
[13:36]<Craig> Hey Guys
[13:36]<+camerongray> That keyboard is missing a couple of caps, but you can buy them new from Unicomp
[13:36]<Craig> How goes it?
[13:36]<@Calum> yeah that's no biggie
[13:36]<+camerongray> Including my beast red escape key!
[13:36]<@Calum> hey Craig, going good here, you?
[13:36]<@BC_Programming> hai Craig
[13:36]<@BC_Programming> good of you to join us
[13:36]<@BC_Programming> have some cake
[13:37]<+camerongray> Hey ChanbotVII
[13:37]<+camerongray> OMG
[13:37]<@BC_Programming> hahaha
[13:37]<+camerongray> I can't actually believe that
[13:37]<Craig> ?
[13:37]<@BC_Programming> for a second I thought you did that on purpose
[13:37]<Craig> hahahaha, camerongray will never get it right...
[13:37]<+camerongray> I pressed C, then tab and it went to Calum, then tab again went to Craig but for some reson I pressed tab again
[13:37]<Craig> I am doing great, how is Calum doing?
[13:38]<@Calum> Doing good and so is ChanbotVII I hear, getting lots of attention from Cameron
[13:38]<+camerongray> hahah
[13:38]<Craig> Hahahah :p
[13:38]<+camerongray> Craig: did you see the stuff about DriverAgent?
[13:39]<+camerongray> And yeah, my testing laptop is now knackered!
[13:39]<@Calum> man I was just looking through images after checking if the SR-2 had PS/2 ports and came across this http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2010/08/evga-classified-sr-2-review/combo.jpg
[13:39]<Craig> DriverAgent?
[13:39]<+camerongray> Crappy driver tool people keep recommending in CH
[13:39]<+camerongray> That also has no regard for their user privacy!
[13:40]<Craig> What about it, I have never used it... we all know why
[13:40]<@Calum> Yeah I saw that camerongray couldn't believe it, that's pretty crazy
[13:40]<Craig> I wouldn't mind that EVGA Board, :)
[13:40]<+camerongray> Long story short, I ran a scan on my test laptop to prove a point - Without sayign anything IndianaJoe says "camerongray: I have your report for 'tiree'"
[13:40]<Craig> Even if it is Intel. :P
[13:40]<+camerongray> Now, I never linked him to this report
[13:40]<@Calum> that's all mine Craig, waiting to build it! It's just crazy how big it is compared to the normal ATX board on the right
[13:41]<+camerongray> OR even signed in, so he basically somehow got access to my data
[13:41]<Craig> Awe dang man, you suck./
[13:41]<@Calum> just a shame EVGA will never build something like it again, nor can they support it, since their engineers all went elsewhere...
[13:41]<Craig> Oh wow, that is a major security hole!
[13:41]<+camerongray> Yep!
[13:41]<Craig> dangh
[13:41]<+camerongray> That and it's crap!
[13:41]<+camerongray> "10% faster download speeds" it claims!
[13:41]<@BC_Programming> It doesn't prompt before sending anything either
[13:41]<+camerongray> Around 69 down before, 67 after
[13:42]<Craig> hmmmm we should get it registered as a virus! :P
[13:42]<+camerongray> And my connection is 100 so the laptop wasn't even maxing the connection
[13:42]<+camerongray> And the laptop is now a complete wreck!
[13:42]<@BC_Programming> their RegistryWizard tool is garbage too... most of the 167 issues it found on my clean XP install were actually the registry 'cleaner' not understanding UNC paths or registry redirections
[13:43]<@BC_Programming> the VM would be hooped as Cam's laptop if I didn't have the good sense to make a Virtual Machine snapshot
[13:43]<+camerongray> Installed and ran DriverAgent, DriverAgent's BIOS thing (Didn't install the BIOS of course), DriverAgent's registry booster, Uniblue registry booster and iobit advanced system care
[13:43]<+camerongray> Now toolbars all over the place and stupidly slow!
[13:43]<@BC_Programming> oh yeah that would do it
[13:44]<+camerongray> Fact is though, it sent my full specs, hostname (Which could be personal info) and all my driver info without my permission
[13:44]<+camerongray> Which was then somewhow available to IndianaJoe
[13:44]<@BC_Programming> and he was able to find it and identify it as yours somehow also
[13:45]<@Mulreay> Sounds very dodgy
[13:45]<@BC_Programming> very much so
[13:45]<@BC_Programming> hello Mulreay
[13:45]<@Mulreay> hey BC_Programming
[13:46]<+camerongray> Here we go: http://pastebin.com/nbhk32JX
[13:46]<+camerongray> I like the bit around 189!
[13:47]<Craig> Are they really correcting you on your break down of VGA to DVI?
[13:47]<Craig> Do they realize that DVI can also be analoug?
[13:48]<+camerongray> I said it was digital, while it can carry analogue, DVI-DVI will almost always be digital
[13:48]<Craig> Yes, I agree,
[13:49]<Craig> Hahaha, and VGA is old, not outdated.
[13:51]<@Calum> it includes a list of installed software too? Why would a driver update program do that?
[13:51]<+camerongray> Offers "Updates"
[13:52]<@Calum> for software too?
[13:52]<+camerongray> But there could easily be propriatery business software there!
[13:52]<@Calum> exactly
[13:52]<+camerongray> My main issue is the hostname
[13:52]<@Mulreay> Why would you ever want a 3rd party software to check for updates on other software?
[13:53]<@Calum> I'm fairly sure, under the data protection act at least, they need to have something to tell you what data they will collect, and what they'll do with it, etc
[13:53]<+camerongray> I'm working on having most of machines accessible through their hostname - hostname.flat.camerongray.me
[13:53]<+camerongray> Now, if they know 'tiree' - It's not too hard to take a pretty good guess at the rest! :P
[13:53]<@Calum> Mulreay: I use Filehippo Update Checker myself, and it's pretty useful, but obviously it only shows what's available on their site. Handy to quickly update Java, Flash, Foxit reader, etc without doing it one by one through the programs own updaters
[13:54]<+camerongray> Pretty sure you could guess the rest of my hostnames :P
[13:55]<+camerongray> I thought earlier though...
[13:56]<+camerongray> jacky likes to keep details like his name secret - What if he set up his machine with his real name as his username and left the default hostmask?
[13:56]<+camerongray> If he did what I did, IndianaJoe would have ended up posting his real name in the CH channel!
[13:57]<@Mulreay> He's called Phil everyone knows that
[13:57]<@BC_Programming> Deloris
[13:58]<Craig> Hahahah "Emma" :P
[13:59]<@Mulreay> Finally got all the proper names and specs of most of the stuff on my new desktop
[13:59]<@Mulreay> Getting one of these to crossfire http://www.amazon.co.uk/Radeon-Graphics-PCI-Express-GDDR5-Dust-proof/dp/B004XANO24
[14:00]<+camerongray> Nice!
[14:00]<+camerongray> What PSU is it?
[14:00]<@Mulreay> That's like the one thing I don't know.. haven't opened it :p
[14:00]<+camerongray> Ahh :P
[14:00]<+camerongray> You should really swap into that fractal case!
[14:01]<@Mulreay> Worried I will bust something
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[14:01]<@Calum> <3 Fractal
[14:01]<@Mulreay> That's the case I got off you Calum
[14:01]<Craig> There
[14:01]<@Calum> Ah sweet, I loved that case
[14:02]<@Calum> I love all Fractals to be honest hah
[14:02]<@Calum> my last 3 cases have been Fractals
[14:02]<Craig> There is no way that a driver agent could fix a D/L and U/L issue when that is clearly your provider's bandwidth limiting overhead.
[14:02]<@Mulreay> The one I have for this at the moment is a CIC black ops
[14:02]<+camerongray> Craig: This is where your motherboard ended up! http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/camerongray1515/media/Flat/DSC02576_zps8e7e7c47.jpg.html?sort=3&o=4
[14:03]<+camerongray> Calum*
[14:03]<@Calum> hah
[14:03]<@Calum> nice
[14:03]<Craig> If your supposed to get 67.5 and say 10up, then they will probably use about 3-6% to control the thoroughput.
[14:03]<+camerongray> Craig: Yeah - Thing is though, the connection is actually 100mbps so the laptop was way bottlenecking!
[14:03]<+camerongray> Yet DA couldn't even do that!
[14:04]<Craig> That could have been the fact that it was a 10/100 which bottlenecks at around 75... which lines up with your numbers.
[14:04]<@Calum> you get 100 on Speedtest though right?
[14:04]<+camerongray> Higher :P
[14:04]<+camerongray> Usually around 103!
[14:04]<@Calum> heh exactly, Virgin normally gets advertised or a little high on speed tests
[14:04]<Craig> My 10/100/1000 bottlenecks at about 120MB/s locally.
[14:05]<@Calum> I get about 60-62 on a 60meg connection
[14:05]<Craig> Right but I am talking about the actual computers lan chipset though
[14:05]<@Calum> camerongray: will you get the free upgrade to 120?
[14:05]<@BC_Programming> so sleepy -_-
[14:05]<+camerongray> Yeah, Virgin is great for that!
[14:05]<+camerongray> And 8ms ping, been down at 6 before!
[14:05]<Craig> Hahaha, BC, did you play some metroid?
[14:05]<+camerongray> Will do when they upgrade the area
[14:05]<@BC_Programming> no, woke up at 5AM for some reason
[14:06]<Craig> :P hahahah
[14:06]<+camerongray> Not sure what the area is like priority wise, pretty densly populated (All flats) so should be high
[14:06]<@Calum> Yeah that's what I meant, should be good when you get it
[14:06]<@Calum> my parents got a free up from 10-20-30
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[14:06]<@Calum> our area had already been done when we moved in so we were on 30, then upgraded ourselves to 60...contemplating going to 100 though
[14:07]<+camerongray> Ahh cool
[14:07]<@Mulreay> I'm getting thios on my wirless laptop right now http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2885044752
[14:07]<+PITB> And this on my wired desktop http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2885046036
[14:07]<@Calum> nice!
[14:07]<Craig> You guys suck...
[14:07]<@Calum> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2885048296
[14:08]<Craig> Stupid canada and its crappy simple internet connections...
[14:08]<Craig> SHUT UP ALREADY WITH YOUR SPEED BRAGGING! :P
[14:08]<@Calum> Cassie's browsing so getting slightly less than 60 right now
[14:08]<@Calum> upload sucks though
[14:08]<@Mulreay> lol Craig
[14:08]<@Calum> they're going to upgrade us to 6 up at some point
[14:08]<@Calum> but I think that's next spring
[14:09]<@BC_Programming> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2885050038
[14:10]<@Mulreay> I trump all.. I win, unless camerongray comes back faster
[14:10]<Craig> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2885051466 <--- hmmm, now I have to check my download, seems to be very slow at the moment.
[14:11]<@Calum> when my bargain dedicated server has been set up I'll trash you all on upload :P
[14:11]<@Mulreay> I thought you lived in red Derr Craig?
[14:11]<@Mulreay> dear*
[14:11]<Craig> Moved, last year this time, :P
[14:11]<@BC_Programming> deer
[14:11]<@Mulreay> DAMN
[14:11]<Craig> And its Red Deer, :P
[14:11]<@Mulreay> Deer*
[14:13]<@Mulreay> ISS passes over at 21:27 camerongray
[14:13]<Craig> WOOOOOOT! Canadian dollar is worth more than US! Woot!
[14:14]<@Calum> alright guys, I'm off for tonight, have a good one! Later
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[14:15]<Craig> There we go thats closer, http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2885061064
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[14:27]<@Mulreay> Do you think that some blind people fake it so they can get a free dog?
[14:30]<@Mulreay> OK going to open up this desktop to find out the PSU
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[14:46]<@BC_Programming> hmm yo ucannot disable javascript in firefox 23
[14:48]<@Mulreay> OK now I know my PSU
[14:51]<@Mulreay> Mmm very cheap PSU
[14:56]<@BC_Programming> which
[14:57]<@Mulreay> ace ATX A-550BR 550w
[14:58]<@BC_Programming> seems generic
[14:58]<@Mulreay> May need an upgrade if I crossfire
[15:02]<+camerongray> Yeah, they are pretty cheap ones, from Ebuyer usually
[15:03]<@Mulreay> Would it fail if I used it still on a crossfire camerongray?
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[15:03]<+camerongray> Probably not with the APU+Card
[15:03]<+camerongray> Not a super long lasting unit though
[15:04]<@Mulreay> What would you recommend?
[15:04]<@Mulreay> On a budget?
[15:05]<+camerongray> A Corsair TX650 is great
[15:05]<+camerongray> Bit cheaper would be something from their CX line (BUt not as good)
[15:06]<+camerongray> Something like a PSU should last through many builds, so makes sense to get a good one
[15:06]<@Mulreay> K thx added to my list
[15:08]<+camerongray> Cool!
[15:08]<+camerongray> The HX650 is more, but is modular
[15:08]<@Mulreay> Just to clarify though
[15:08]<+camerongray> That's the one I hvae
[15:08]<+camerongray> have*
[15:09]<@Mulreay> If I did do the crossfire I will still use the integrated as my primary yes?
[15:09]<+camerongray> Hmm, not sure
[15:09]<+camerongray> Why?
[15:10]<@Mulreay> As it's the more powerful.. or am i missing something
[15:10]<+camerongray> Ahh, there's no real "primary" card - They just work together
[15:10]<@Mulreay> But for your monitor etc
[15:11]<+camerongray> Don't think that matters
[15:11]<@Mulreay> k
[15:11]<+camerongray> You won't get a massive boost, maybe 10-20% of the new card
[15:11]<+camerongray> But better than the single APU alone
[15:12]<@Mulreay> And for £50 why not
[15:13]<+camerongray> True!
[15:22]<+camerongray> LOL!
[15:22]<+camerongray> [22:20:14] *** Mode #computerhope +h db100547 by ChanServ
[15:22]<+camerongray> [22:20:21] *** Mode #computerhope -h db100547 by ChanServ
[15:22]<+camerongray> [22:20:30] <db100547> oops! wrong terminal
[15:22]<+camerongray> Made more amusing when you see he's using the mibbit client - [Whois] db100547 is db100547!Mibbit@mib-9F465C17.dyn.plus.net (http://www.mibbit.com)
[15:23]<@Mulreay> so sad
[15:25]<@BC_Programming> bahaha
[15:25]<@BC_Programming> "wrong terminal" doesn't work if you aren't using a terminal!
[15:25]<+camerongray> Yeah
[15:25]<+camerongray> And the fact he's only ever in CH AFIK
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[15:54]<@BC_Programming> uncharted territory 3 is out :D
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[18:45]<@BC_Programming> hmm may try Outlook instead of Thunderbird
[19:09]<@BC_Programming> success, now using Outlook
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[20:51]<jamer> stupid windows xp media center....
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[22:30]<@BC_Programming> well AMLP has outdone himself with this map
[22:36]<jamer> lol
[22:37]<jamer> so my dad found 5 pc's on the side of the road today
[22:37]<@BC_Programming> I didn't
[22:38]<@BC_Programming> Which means I'm not the father!
[22:38]<@BC_Programming> were they any good?
[22:38]<jamer> XD
[22:38]<jamer> not to bad ... p4 ht's
[22:38]<@BC_Programming> reasonable
[22:38]<jamer> one had a creative sound blaster card
[22:39]<@BC_Programming> what kind?
[22:39]<jamer> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102176
[22:39]<@BC_Programming> my "cut-off" for free stuff is probably around Pentium era
[22:39]<@BC_Programming> Oh... yeah that card is probably a host-based processing variety
[22:40]<@BC_Programming> hard to say... the ones that come pre-installed in pre-fabs are usually cheap-o stripped down models
[22:40]<jamer> thats the same card XD
[22:41]<jamer> one of the p4's had a 400 gb sata drive and a 200 gb sata drive
[22:41]<@BC_Programming> "The Sound Blaster Live! 24-bit (SB0410) was not actually a member of the Sound Blaster Live! family, because it lacked the EMU10k1/10k2 processor. It was a stripped down version of the Audigy Value"
[22:42]<jamer> eh... still i cant complain ... beter than 2.1 XD
[22:42]<@BC_Programming> 2.1?
[22:42]<@BC_Programming> I only use two speakers and a sub :/ and I have an X-Fi
[22:42]<jamer> stereo ... aka what my laptop has
[22:43]<@BC_Programming> well technically I never use the speakers and usually use my headphones
[22:43]<jamer> im combining the best parts out of all the computers into one (including media center )
[22:44]<jamer> XD gatman would be running saying how its not legal
[22:45]<@BC_Programming> gatman runs a pirate version of XP
[22:45]<jamer> my xp media center i own the key XD
[22:47]<jamer> what use do i have of the other xp keys? nothing XD
[22:50]<jamer> i hate dell's heatsinks....
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