Session Start: Tue Jul 30 00:00:00 2013 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[04:18]<+camerongray> Wat!
[04:18]<+camerongray> <guest_27> plz talk to me
[04:18]<+camerongray> <guitarman> well I believe there is an online upgrade , thing is I dunno if is free
[04:18]<+camerongray> <guest_27> which site...how do i find it
[04:18]<+camerongray> <guitarman> g upgrade to win 7 free ver
[04:18]<+camerongray> <Hopebot> Free downloads - Microsoft Windows: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/downloads
[04:18]<+camerongray> <guitarman> have a look there
[04:18]<+camerongray> <guest_27> tnks so much will visit the site now..but will it require drivers?
[04:18]<+camerongray> <guitarman> likely will look and see , generic drivers supplied with it will get the machine running
[04:18]<@BC_Programming> bahaha
[04:18]<+camerongray> Person wanted to upgrade to 7
[04:19]<@BC_Programming> what makes him think it would be free
[04:19]<+camerongray> Well, MicroCrap did release XP Black :P
[04:19]<@BC_Programming> VISTA PRELUDE
[04:20]<@BC_Programming> oh yeah and who did he say "invented" firefox? some random name
[04:20]<+camerongray> Yeah
[04:20]<@BC_Programming> and of course us knowing it was nonsense made us "ignorant" lol
[04:20]<+camerongray> And the code name was some random place name near him :P
[04:21]<@BC_Programming> heh yeah
[04:21]<@BC_Programming> he's a Janitor for the other side of db's building
[04:21]<+camerongray> Windows 8 was codenamed Dumfermline :P
[04:21]<+camerongray> hahaha!
[04:24]<+camerongray> But then we should just trust what he says :P
[04:25]<+camerongray> Like, does he just have no concept of... not sure what the word is
[04:25]<@BC_Programming> intellectual responsibility?
[04:37]<+camerongray> hehehe
[04:56]<Zuwer> He was near here today, heard the sound of a mower, and heard the sound of metal being crushed. Instantly thinks I had ran over steel with the mower. I've mowed over wire and old irrigation pipes, but I'd have to be blind to hit a piece of steel. :x
[05:27]<@BC_Programming> huh... when I save a paint shop pro file as Photoshop it changes the colors
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[05:39]<+camerongray> lol
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[07:31]<jamer> Lostcoast ...
[07:31]<@BC_Programming> hmm?
[07:41]<PCdoc> wrong number
[07:42]<@BC_Programming> lol
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[07:44]<+camerongray> Hey jacky
[07:45]<@BC_Programming> oh great well so much for the party
[07:45]<@jacky> camerongray: Hello
[07:45]<+camerongray> hehehe
[07:45]<@jacky> heh
[07:45]<@BC_Programming> heheh well the important thing is you probably tried
[07:45]<+camerongray> My new projector just showed up meaning pizza and movie night tonight :P
[07:46]<+camerongray> Then again, I may end up somewhere in Glasgow tonight :P
[07:46]<@jacky> BC_Programming: that's the scary part. I did... and nothing happened.
[07:46]<@jacky> camerongray: you project pizza?
[07:46]<+camerongray> Got an email from one of the guys at work, no context but explaining when to meet at the station :P
[07:46]<@BC_Programming> so I just heard that one of my IRL nemesises died
[07:46]<+camerongray> lol!
[07:46]<@BC_Programming> I'm taking it as good luck
[07:46]<@jacky> BC_Programming: you are getting old
[07:46]<+camerongray> Discovered the wall in my new flat is huge! 3m diagonal projection screen!
[07:47]<@jacky> camerongray: Pizza art?
[07:47]<@BC_Programming> it's funny because he kept telling me that "I need to get a life"
[07:47]<@jacky> BC_Programming: what goes around comes around
[07:47]<@BC_Programming> well I still have one and he doesn't so that's 1-0 me
[07:47]<@jacky> BC_Programming: /serious was he young? what happened?
[07:48]<@BC_Programming> I don't know much other than that actually
[07:48]<+camerongray> Ouch!
[07:48]<@BC_Programming> I'm not even sure if it's true, could be one of those rumours gone wild
[07:48]<+camerongray> Ahh
[07:48]<@jacky> was he in your age bracket? or 70+ ?
[07:48]<@BC_Programming> he was a bit older tham my parents, around 60 or so I think... he smoked a lot and drank a lot
[07:49]<@jacky> ah
[07:49]<+camerongray> Ahh
[07:49]<@jacky> great minds...
[07:49]<@BC_Programming> which he of course called "living", thus the clash
[07:49]<+camerongray> Not sure if one of the guys at work will make the end of the day - 3 accidents involving water before 12:00 :P
[07:49]<@jacky> to each his own
[07:49]<@BC_Programming> yeah that was pretty much my take on it
[07:50]<+camerongray> First he comes in late after his radiator flooded his hall, comes in, goes to make coffee, burns himself on the steam from the kettle and ends up in A&E, then comes back and spills a bottle of water all over his desk :P
[07:50]<@jacky> I have a friend like that. Known him for 40+ years, and been friends for 30ish.
[07:50]<@jacky> smokes like a chimney, and at our age it is time to quit
[07:50]<@BC_Programming> I'd say it's time to quit at any age :P
[07:50]<@jacky> but his big problem is the bottle. it is driving his friends - including me - away.
[07:50]<+camerongray> Yeah
[07:51]<+camerongray> Scary how people can get like that
[07:51]<@BC_Programming> I've heard some people get high off cough syrup
[07:51]<@jacky> BC_Programming: true. but as we age, hard living REALLY shows up and takes its toll. ref: the fellow you knew
[07:51]<@BC_Programming> of course in honestly I do sorta hope it's just a rumour
[07:52]<@jacky> the problem (well, one) problem with continual alcohol over use - it slowly morphs one's psyche.
[07:52]<@jacky> the person you knew, slowly becomes somebody else
[07:52]<@jacky> it is very sad
[07:52]<@BC_Programming> I'm sure it's the same with other kinds of drug abuse
[07:52]<+camerongray> Yeah, even now you see people like that around my age - Fine drink when you are out, but not stupid amounts!
[07:52]<@BC_Programming> for alcohol the liver is certainly not the only victim
[07:52]<@jacky> BC_Programming: Yep
[07:53]<@jacky> BC_Programming: that's my point. it is more than just cumulative physical damage. it is hard to describe
[07:54]<@BC_Programming> it probably causes some cumulative neurological damage or something
[07:54]<@jacky> camerongray: I've come to think that - at your age- you can 'get away with' stupid amounts on occasion. When you get older, and are carrying a lot of baggage, if one has too much, then out comes all the ugly stuff. In other words, older people don't have fun, they just get nasty when they over-do it. ... just a theory....
[07:55]<+camerongray> Yeah, true
[07:55]<@BC_Programming> ohhh that actually makes a lot of sense
[07:55]<@jacky> Auggghhh!!! he didn't have to agree so readily
[07:55]<+camerongray> I like to be able to remember nights I go out :P
[07:55]<@jacky> hehe
[07:56]<+camerongray> Otherwise all that happens is someone gets stupidly drunk and spoils the night for everyone else!
[07:56]<@BC_Programming> then you have to figure out where you got the traffic pylons
[07:56]<@jacky> BC_Programming: I figured out that, by watching my friend over the years. We DID have some rip-roaring times... 30-ish years ago. But now?... he's a stupid pain in the ass, when he has some in him.
[07:56]<+camerongray> hehehe
[07:56]<@jacky> camerongray: you know you had a good time, when the sound of the grass growing.... is LOUD
[07:57]<+camerongray> lol!
[07:57]<@jacky> camerongray: when your hair hurts, and your teeth itch
[07:57]<+camerongray> I've never got to that stage
[07:57]<@BC_Programming> "this hallway really needs railings"
[07:57]<@jacky> when that fly walking on the window, sounds like drums
[07:57]<+camerongray> I remember sitting for an hour with my friend trying to get him to remember the PIN for his phone to phone is mum :P
[07:57]<@jacky> you wanted him to call his mother when he was in that state??
[07:57]<@jacky> wow
[07:57]<@jacky> hehehehe
[07:57]<@BC_Programming> "I remember camerongray, I'm pretty sure it had more than one number in it"
[07:57]<+camerongray> hahah!
[07:58]<+camerongray> "What is it" *screams* "one two three four five six seven eight nine ten"
[07:58]<@BC_Programming> "ten isn't a one-digit number"
[07:58]<@BC_Programming> "oh.... you sure?"
[07:58]<+camerongray> lol, pretty muchh
[07:58]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, that must be like when I get a migrane, everything is loud!
[07:59]<@jacky> "I can't find the eleven, and I need to call 911"
[07:59]<+camerongray> I remember getting one the same day we were getting new water tanks in right above my bed!
[07:59]<@BC_Programming> "so I tried to call 411.... but I still needed 11"
[07:59]<+camerongray> tehehe
[07:59]<+camerongray> I act drunk enough when I'm sober :P
[07:59]<@jacky> "I can't find the 'h' sometimes, so I just type 't'"
[08:00]<@BC_Programming> I've been on this channel before in a state were I was unable to even walk
[08:00]<+camerongray> lol!
[08:00]<@BC_Programming> didn't even think I had that much at the time
[08:00]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, I remember at work when I must have looked drunk!
[08:00]<@BC_Programming> went to get up and was all "oookay that is most strange"
[08:01]<+camerongray> Left the office, pulled the door behind me, overbalanced somehow and fell right back through the door :P
[08:01]<@BC_Programming> "CLUMSY MODE: engaged"
[08:01]<@jacky> you drink at work??
[08:01]<+camerongray> hehehe, completely sober, I'm just an idiot!
[08:01]<@jacky> ah
[08:01]<+camerongray> Well, there was the time we had to fix stuff during the christmas party :P
[08:01]<@jacky> feel free to type 't's all you want then
[08:01]<@jacky> :)
[08:01]<+camerongray> Dressed as santa fixing scripts and drinking beer :P
[08:02]<@jacky> so you DO drink at work!
[08:02]<@jacky> hah
[08:02]<@BC_Programming> but it was a party
[08:02]<@BC_Programming> and he was Santa
[08:02]<@jacky> oh
[08:02]<@jacky> ok
[08:02]<@jacky> whew
[08:02]<@jacky> <g>
[08:02]<@BC_Programming> and I imagine there were supermodel elves
[08:02]<@jacky> Elvis was a supermodel?
[08:02]<+camerongray> hahaah!
[08:02]<@jacky> yeccch
[08:02]<@BC_Programming> but they could not distract him from his goal of fixing the server
[08:03]<@BC_Programming> and he got seven medals
[08:03]<@jacky> Send in Kate Upton !!
[08:03]<@jacky> (I assume BC knows who she is... has she made a name in Scotland yet?)
[08:04]<@BC_Programming> hey I just thought of a silly joke
[08:04]<@BC_Programming> you know what you call it when two queens narrowly miss in an intersection
[08:04]<@BC_Programming> (queens as in female royalty not the other thing)
[08:05]<@BC_Programming> A 'Victoria Cross' HAHAHAHA
[08:05]<@BC_Programming> oh also Victoria Cross is a military Award in commonwealth countries
[08:05]<@BC_Programming> and I ruined it by explaining it
[08:06]<@BC_Programming> !fc nanaimo BC
[08:06]<@jacky> you have to miss the queen to get one?
[08:07]<@jacky> that's right... it is 7:00 am ish there. are you up early, or up late?
[08:07]<@BC_Programming> the "forecast" has yesterday in it?
[08:07]<+camerongray> !w Edinburgh, UK
[08:07]<@BC_Programming> jacky: Early
[08:07]<+Tux2> !w 80229
[08:07]<@jacky> heh
[08:07]<@BC_Programming> well sort of, I woke up around midnight or so
[08:07]<+camerongray> Hey Tux2!
[08:08]<+Tux2> Hey camerongray :)
[08:08]<@BC_Programming> that 90% chance of thunderstorms yesterday didn't pan out
[08:08]<@jacky> the "forecast" has yesterday in it? <<< you begrudge the weatherman (for once) getting it right?
[08:08]<@BC_Programming> what with there not being a cloud in the sky all day long
[08:08]<@jacky> oh
[08:08]<@jacky> ug
[08:08]<@BC_Programming> I guess we are the 10%
[08:08]<@BC_Programming> 27.8 degrees forecasted for today
[08:09]<+Tux2> !fc 80229
[08:09]<@BC_Programming> sure hope I don't get sweaty :/ I've heard being sweaty isn't particularly good juju for an interview
[08:09]<+camerongray> Had thunder yesterday! Lights were actually clicking on and off at lunch!
[08:09]<+Tux2> lol, nice!
[08:09]<@jacky> !g 27.8C in F =
[08:10]<@BC_Programming> It's hot for me :P
[08:10]<@jacky> BC_Programming: a few days of "nice" now. Prior to that, we had about a dozen days of 90+ and VERY humid on top of that
[08:10]<@jacky> it was wicked.
[08:10]<+camerongray> 20 is hot for us!
[08:11]<@BC_Programming> if I get a few more of these MVP lapel pins I'll look like some sort of army general
[08:11]<+camerongray> Hit 28c the other week, nearly died!
[08:13]<PCdoc> !w Pune, India
[08:13]<+camerongray> Wow, thought it would be way hotter!
[08:13]<PCdoc> !w Arctic OCean
[08:13]<PCdoc> !w Antarctica
[08:14]<@BC_Programming> !w South Pole
[08:14]<PCdoc> lol
[08:14]<@BC_Programming> hmm not quite what I was after lol
[08:14]<@BC_Programming> !w YellowKnife NWT
[08:15]<@BC_Programming> neat I didn't mix up Yellowknife and Whitehorse
[08:19]<+Tux2> lol, me and Tux were having a conversation on IRC
[08:19]<@jacky> !w prudoe bay
[08:19]<+Tux2> <clone1018> you guys are honestly annoying
[08:19]<+Tux2> <clone1018> Probably just a child talking to himself
[08:19]<+Tux2> <clone1018> Thinking he's funny
[08:19]<PCdoc> !w Alaska
[08:19]<@BC_Programming> Tux2:you had a conversation with yourself? what is that from
[08:19]<+Tux2> lol
[08:19]<+Tux2> Espernet
[08:20]<+Tux2> from the #ramnode channel
[08:20]<PCdoc> !w Dutch Harbor, Alaska
[08:20]<+Tux2> We both registered our nicks independently, so it's just a coincidence
[08:20]<@jacky> wow
[08:20]<@jacky> !sky dutch harbor alaska
[08:21]<+Tux2> so everytime tux gets highlighted I get highlighted as well
[08:21]<@BC_Programming> Tux2: I see heh
[08:21]<@jacky> Sunset: 11:06 PM AKDT <<< hehehe
[08:21]<@BC_Programming> !w really cold place
[08:21]<@jacky> !seen your_butt
[08:22]<+Tux2> so yeah, we each had to change a few things in our status messages because he got a few people PMing him yesterday thinking he was me
[08:22]<@BC_Programming> teehee
[08:22]<@BC_Programming> The tee was for the street-ism. the hee was for Tux2's comment
[08:23]<@jacky> classic
[08:23]<+Tux2> lol, oh? there was a street and a street1?
[08:23]<@jacky> :)
[08:23]<PCdoc> !w Zuliv Akhmatova
[08:23]<+Tux2> Well, I need to go eat, see you guys later
[08:23]<PCdoc> !w Zaliv Akhmatova
[08:23]<@jacky> Tux2: see you later
[08:24]<@BC_Programming> so glad I have short hair again
[08:25]<@BC_Programming> was starting to feel as unkempt as Stallman
[08:25]<@jacky> wait a couple months
[08:25]<PCdoc> !w Titanic
[08:25]<@BC_Programming> !w Sol, Milky Way Galaxy
[08:25]<@BC_Programming> lol
[08:25]<@jacky> wow
[08:26]<@BC_Programming> I wanted the weather on the sun
[08:27]<PCdoc> !w Campbell island
[08:27]<PCdoc> 9.4 :-o
[08:27]<@jacky> !barrow alaska
[08:27]<@jacky> !w barrow alaska
[08:28]<@jacky> !sky barrow alaska
[08:28]<@jacky> !sky Longyearbyen, Norway
[08:29]<@jacky> !sky Ellesmere Island, Canada
[08:30]<@BC_Programming> No moon rise is better than a bad moon on the rise
[08:30]<@jacky> CCR !!
[08:30]<@jacky> :)
[08:30]<@BC_Programming> eyup
[08:30]<@jacky> odd.. Ellesmere is listed as north of Barrow, AK, but Barrow AK has longer daylight
[09:00]<+camerongray> Oh dear...
[09:00]<+camerongray> http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,139065.0.html
[09:00]<+camerongray> "No way, that's impossible"
[09:00]<+camerongray> "You can do it but only command line"
[09:01]<+camerongray> "Yes, it can be done. It has been done. Shell out $13500 for the box and four monitors monitors and a bunch of cable."
[09:01]<+camerongray> "You can connect 4 computers to one keyboard"
[09:02]<+camerongray> If they googled for 2 seconds they would find thousands of different multiseat systems!
[09:02]<@BC_Programming> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiseat_configuration
[09:03]<+camerongray> yeah
[09:03]<@BC_Programming> in their defense it took me four... maybe they gave up after 3
[09:03]<+camerongray> lol
[09:03]<+camerongray> Typical thogh, "I don't understand it therefore it's impossible"
[09:03]<+camerongray> And $13500 for a box?
[09:03]<@BC_Programming> oh did you see geek-9pm's 'rant' about 64-bit CPUs?
[09:04]<+camerongray> I prototyped a multiseat system for the youth club - That supported 5 users on a P4 2.66GHz and 2gb RAM!
[09:04]<@BC_Programming> http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,139151.0.html
[09:04]<+camerongray> http://images.wikia.com/glee/images/9/95/This-is-gonna-be-good.gif
[09:04]<@BC_Programming> basically he's saying they aren't 64-bit CPUs because they only have a 48-bit address bus
[09:06]<@BC_Programming> ignoring of course that the internal and external data buses, instructions, and pretty much everything other than the address bus was 64-bit, the address bus is 48-bit because there is no way a current CPU will never be used to address 256TB+ of RAM..
[09:06]<+camerongray> I WANT MY MONEY BACK! *Posts piles of CPUs to AMD and Intel*
[09:06]<@BC_Programming> lol
[09:06]<@BC_Programming> I do like how he somehow things the address bus has to do with calculations
[09:07]<+camerongray> Did you see gatman getting annoyed when I pointed out his PC was pretty new?
[09:07]<@BC_Programming> where was that
[09:07]<+camerongray> CH
[09:07]<@BC_Programming> I don't idle there
[09:07]<+camerongray> Almost like he likes being out of date!
[09:07]<+camerongray> Has an Athlon II x2 so probably 2009 or so
[09:07]<@BC_Programming> heh it's newer than mine
[09:07]<@BC_Programming> is my build retro?
[09:07]<+camerongray> Yet kept ranting saying first the CPU was 2003, I proved him wrong, then said his mobo was 2003, proved him wrong again
[09:08]<@BC_Programming> "you're just ignorant"
[09:08]<+camerongray> Pretty much
[09:08]<@BC_Programming> when ironically it was he that was ignorant of the facts...
[09:08]<+camerongray> It's almost as though he likes showing off that he's out of date
[09:09]<@BC_Programming> well he uses XP SP2, better than M$ Vista Prelude from MicroCrap suxors
[09:09]<+camerongray> IIRC he turned down Zuwer's offer of an i5 machine!
[09:09]<@BC_Programming> and seventeen when the kibble wibble waves man
[09:09]<+camerongray> hehehe
[09:09]<@BC_Programming> that's an approximation of his unparsable nonsense
[09:10]<+camerongray> My granny hates new stuff - The killer feature of her phone is a colour screen! Yet she keeps asking for me to build her a new PC!
[09:28]<+Tux2> lol
[09:30]<@BC_Programming> According to google maps it will take an hour and 44 minutes to walk
[09:31]<@BC_Programming> of course it's all "this feature is in beta" Of course it is, you're google everything is in beta
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[10:17]<@BC_Programming> bbl
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[11:05]<+Craig> Why 48bit?
[11:26]<+Craig> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge <- Epic idea
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[11:58]<jamer> Craig for 700 something dollars its expensive
[12:08]<+Craig> Thats the same price as any standard Touch mobile now.
[12:08]<+Craig> AND THAT ONES A DESKTOP!
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[15:33]<@BC_Programming> That could not have gone better
[15:36]<@Mulreay> ooo what?
[15:39]<@BC_Programming> Interview
[15:39]<@BC_Programming> Allow me to proffer some quotes
[15:39]<@Mulreay> cool, sorry wasn't aware you had one
[15:39]<@BC_Programming> "normally we wouldn't even interview somebody without a degree of some sort, but then we looked at your github and your other code online and we were all blown away"
[15:39]<@Mulreay> Awesome
[15:39]<@BC_Programming> also they are turning an old BASIC mainframe program to a C# program
[15:39]<@BC_Programming> and they gave me two samples
[15:40]<@BC_Programming> and after a few seconds looking at the BASIC I was like
[15:40]<@BC_Programming> "this kinda looks like VAX-11 BASIC"
[15:40]<@BC_Programming> and he was like :O
[15:40]<@BC_Programming> He's been interviewing since last Monday and I'm the first person who even knew BASIC... let alone being able to identify their specific dialect
[15:41]<@BC_Programming> And they told me reading those 80's college text books wouldn't be any good to me
[15:41]<@Mulreay> Sounds like you're on a winner there bud
[15:41]<@BC_Programming> by they I mean peeps back in the day of course
[15:41]<@BC_Programming> "you'll never need to use VAX-11 BASIC dude"
[15:41]<@BC_Programming> I think I've shown them
[15:42]<@Mulreay> lol, yeah indeed
[15:42]<@BC_Programming> at the end he said "we're still interviewing until the end of next week but I think you've really raised the bar"
[15:42]<@Mulreay> sweet
[15:42]<@BC_Programming> he said some of the other candidates he's had figured they could be programmers because they could use "the google" lol
[15:43]<@Mulreay> Lol, fingers crossed for you buddy, about time your luck changed and your talent was used
[15:44]<@BC_Programming> It will be a remote thing so I'll have to force skype to be usable but I think my family will work with that
[15:44]<@BC_Programming> $15-16 an hour also
[15:44]<@BC_Programming> (to start at least)
[15:44]<@Mulreay> nice
[15:45]<@BC_Programming> I was so worried as I was trying to read the BASIC at first
[15:45]<@BC_Programming> "everything is riding on this... PARSE IT. WHAT DOES IT DO BRAIN"
[15:46]<@Mulreay> heh
[15:46]<@BC_Programming> felt like an eternity before I was able to switch my brain to "read code" mode
[15:46]<@BC_Programming> but it was probably like 20 seconds
[15:47]<@Mulreay> Yeah time stretches under pressure
[15:47]<@BC_Programming> probably didn't take more than a minute before I was able to figure out that this page of gobbledygook appeared to be some sort of menu or form-editing logic
[15:48]<@BC_Programming> of course that was with a BASIC from like a million years ago
[15:49]<@BC_Programming> well 30, but close to a million
[15:52]<@BC_Programming> he was jelly of my MSDN subscription
[15:53]<@BC_Programming> now to sort of Visual Studio 2010 which is even slower than 2012
[16:29]<@BC_Programming> hmm I think I might have actually gotten a sunburn lol
[17:03]<jamer> i want to get the oculus rift
[17:04]<@BC_Programming> hmm I was thinking "how did I get a sunburn" then realized that there and back was from 9AM to 3PM and it was ridiculously sunny
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[17:33]<jamer> Hm
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[17:43]<@BC_Programming> yeah definitely sunburned
[17:44]<@BC_Programming> 6 hourswas apparently enough
[17:45]<@BC_Programming> ahh
[17:45]<@BC_Programming> that would do it
[17:45]<@BC_Programming> UV Index was like 8
[17:47]<@BC_Programming> " Wear SPF 30+ sunscreen, a shirt, sunglasses, and a hat. Do not stay out in the sun for too long."
[17:47]<@BC_Programming> I did none of those things lol... well I wore a shirt
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[18:09]<@BC_Programming> wb
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[18:09]<+Tux2> lol, oh, so my laptop died 5 minutes ago, handy to know
[18:09]<+Tux2> Thanks BC_Programming
[18:10]<@BC_Programming> heh
[18:10]<@BC_Programming> So I had an Interview today
[18:10]<@BC_Programming> Nailed it
[18:10]<@BC_Programming> don't know if you saw
[18:10]<+Tux2> Oh? Awesome!
[18:10]<@BC_Programming> I mean he didn't say I got it or anything but he did say that I raised the bar for the rest of the candidates
[18:11]<@BC_Programming> apparently he's been interviewing for the position since last Monday
[18:11]<+Tux2> That's awesome BC_Programming :D What was the position you were applying for?
[18:11]<@BC_Programming> MySQL C#
[18:11]<@BC_Programming> I thought it was a IT/Computer repair type deal
[18:11]<@BC_Programming> then he gives me some code samples to desipher and I was like oh yeah
[18:11]<+Tux2> Ah, lol, well, awesome for you!
[18:11]<@BC_Programming> one of them was an ancient dialect of BASIC
[18:12]<@BC_Programming> and I said "this looks like VAX-11 BASIC"
[18:12]<+Tux2> ;) Your specialty
[18:12]<@BC_Programming> and he was like :O
[18:12]<@BC_Programming> not only was I the first person to even identify it as BASIC at all, I was the first person to actually identify the dialect
[18:12]<+Tux2> :D
[18:12]<@BC_Programming> And people told me that reading that ancient BASIC book from the 80's would do any good
[18:13]<+Tux2> ha ha!
[18:13]<+Tux2> I probably would have recognized it as well
[18:13]<@BC_Programming> there was a C# part too of course but eh that's what I already know, three pages worth and I had figured out what it was
[18:13]<+Tux2> I read a reference manual, didn't really learn HOW to code it though
[18:13]<@BC_Programming> technically I think it's a specific dialect pf VAX-11, there were only a few things that seemed very VAX-ey like using periods in variables and a few of the statements
[18:14]<@BC_Programming> Basically they are moving a ancient BASIC-based system to a more modern platform, thus why the BASIC was involved
[18:14]<@BC_Programming> it wasn't just like "name that ancient dead language"
[18:14]<jamer> lol
[18:14]<+Tux2> lol
[18:15]<@BC_Programming> quote: "Normally we don
[18:15]<@BC_Programming> oops
[18:15]<@BC_Programming> "Normally we wouldn't interview somebody without a degree, but when we looked at the code you had on-line we were all blown away"
[18:16]<+Tux2> :D I bet you've got that job bagged
[18:16]<@BC_Programming> starts part time 15-16 dollars an hour goes up with time
[18:17]<+Tux2> That's awesome, I really hope you get it. :)
[18:17]<@BC_Programming> only thing is it would all be done remotely and through skype so we're going to have to rearrange stuff a bit so I can have a quiet work area
[18:17]<+Tux2> Awww yeah! A job you can do at home, even cooler. :D
[18:18]<+Tux2> Do they use time doctor to monitor time?
[18:18]<@BC_Programming> I don't know
[18:18]<@BC_Programming> I think it's related to a ongoing group conversation they have or something
[18:18]<+Tux2> They probably do. That's what enjin does with me.
[18:19]<@BC_Programming> technically they have an office but it's just filled with servers now and the rest of the place is another computer firm
[18:19]<+Tux2> ah...
[18:20]<@BC_Programming> he told me they used to have a work office where everybody would come in, but then they started to allow remote work and stuff and everybody started to do it so they just figured they should go full tilt and not have the office
[18:20]<+Tux2> heh
[18:21]<@BC_Programming> apparently it uses some java, the C# sample appeared to shell out to a "jasperreports.jar" report program
[18:22]<@BC_Programming> the only tricky bit is that it involves essentially turning the original BASIC forms into C# forms, and having it be 100% semantically compatible- meanwhile, from what I've seen the original source doesn't have any comments :/
[18:23]<+Tux2> Hey, if I know you, you'll have it all figured out in no time. ;)
[18:24]<@BC_Programming> actually maybe it does have comments and he removed them from the sample, come to think of it
[18:25]<@BC_Programming> He said some of the candidates he had in the last little bit literally knew nothing about programming
[18:25]<@BC_Programming> it's like they saw the add "Programming, hey that's like TV!"
[18:27]<+Tux2> ROFL!
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[18:27]<+Tux2> I'm a programmer, I know how to decipher code
[18:27]<+Tux2> I may not be able to write in all languages, but I can figure out what they are doing
[18:27]<@BC_Programming> well yeah but from what he was telling me, they probably couldn't even turn a PC on
[18:28]<+Tux2> lol, that's bad!
[18:28]<@BC_Programming> yeah not what I'd call a good fit lol
[18:29]<@BC_Programming> from what I remember it seems the mainframes run "THEOS Corona" which I guess is a custom OS of some sort
[18:29]<@BC_Programming> which may partly explain why they are migrating
[18:30]<@BC_Programming> looking at the feature page the fact that it has no software is a positive bullet point :/
[18:30]<+Tux2> lol
[18:31]<@BC_Programming> well at least I won't have to modify and test the BASIC code... just figure out how it works and translate it into C#
[18:32]<@BC_Programming> Also I have a suspicion they may actually be using my INIFile class, but renamed it to "ConfigReader" the syntax is just too similar
[18:39]<@BC_Programming> the sun is like a deadly laser these days
[18:39]<@BC_Programming> "imma burn you if you stay in me too long"
[18:40]<@BC_Programming> bloody sun thinks it's the center of the solar system.... oh, right...
[18:42]<jamer> BC_Programming theos was last updated in 2008 XD
[18:42]<@BC_Programming> still only a handful of people in the world that know about it
[18:43]<@BC_Programming> even fewer that would be skilled with it's very specific dialect of BASIC based off of VAX-11
[18:43]<+Tux2> ;)
[18:43]<@BC_Programming> the software itself was written in the 80's too I kinda hope there are comments
[18:43]<@BC_Programming> as long as they aren't like LET I=50
[18:43]<@BC_Programming> REM ASSIGN 50 to the VARIABLE I
[18:44]<jamer> THEOS Multi-User Basic :P its based of oasis
[18:44]<@BC_Programming> well it looks like VAX-11
[18:45]<@BC_Programming> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THEOS_Multi-User_Basic
[18:45]<@BC_Programming> the short length of that wikipedia entry is telling lol
[18:45]<jamer> lol
[18:45]<jamer> http://66.35.166.114/DOCUMENTATION/MUB_LR.pdf
[18:46]<@BC_Programming> oooh thanks
[18:46]<@BC_Programming> that could be useful
[18:46]<@BC_Programming> Language Reference?
[18:46]<jamer> yep
[18:47]<jamer> has all the codes that are custom XD
[18:48]<@BC_Programming> hmm... now that I think about it, each of their forms is a separate segment
[18:48]<@BC_Programming> I wonder if it would be possible to automate the conversion to a windows form...
[18:48]<@BC_Programming> man that would be awesome
[18:49]<@BC_Programming> I just started and I'm ripping through the BASIC forms and turning them into C# forms
[18:49]<@BC_Programming> "I guess I'm just really fast. I definitely did NOT create a small C# application for the purpose of parsing and automatically converting each file to a Windows Form."
[18:49]<jamer> XD
[18:50]<@BC_Programming> hundreds of hundreds of forms need to be converted
[18:51]<@BC_Programming> and I imagine it's very repetitive and a lot of it is pretty much the same type of stuff
[18:54]<jamer> basically you made a program to convert it didnt you ...
[18:55]<jamer> XD
[18:56]<@BC_Programming> well no but I will probably explore that idea on my own
[18:56]<@BC_Programming> from what I understand most of the forms are just groups of text fields and a few shortcuts, should be possible to inspect the original BASIC and extract how the form should be laid out
[18:58]<@BC_Programming> also at some point we were talking about KSP
[18:58]<@BC_Programming> Not sure how that came up
[18:58]<jamer> who knows ... maybe hes a secret dev of it XD
[18:58]<@BC_Programming> actually I mentioned it
[18:58]<@BC_Programming> he asked what I usually do in my spare time and I said Games, and he asked which ones :P
[18:59]<jamer> its a fun game XD
[19:00]<@BC_Programming> and when I said Kerbal Space Program he said "I don't know how but that game manages to make failure often funner than success"
[19:00]<jamer> XD so true
[19:00]<@BC_Programming> All I've been able to do is get a little satellite in a crazy elliptical orbit
[19:02]<jamer> ive got a plane in a solar orbit atm
[19:02]<@BC_Programming> well la dee daa
[19:03]<jamer> ironically i missed mun
[19:03]<@BC_Programming> I had a rocket in solar orbit on my first attempt for the same reason
[19:03]<@BC_Programming> because I just aimed at the moon
[19:03]<jamer> atm i decided to try to fly to a planet ...
[19:04]<jamer> you know that plane i named space i showed you a photo of?
[19:04]<@BC_Programming> I didn't see the name
[19:04]<@BC_Programming> I named my satellite Mir-vin
[19:04]<jamer> XD
[19:04]<jamer> space1 to be exact to kinda be a little phunny
[19:05]<jamer> opps ... i accidently hit the h ...
[19:05]<jamer> punny*
[19:05]<@BC_Programming> I noticed the naming thing has a "base" option
[19:05]<@BC_Programming> wonder what that does
[19:05]<jamer> changes the icon
[19:06]<@BC_Programming> Ithought some of them changed how they worked
[19:07]<jamer> not to my knowledge (abit its a bit small)
[19:12]<@BC_Programming> oooh here's a neat thing
[19:12]<@BC_Programming> I get a company smartphone
[19:12]<@BC_Programming> or I would I should say, no certainties that Imma get it
[19:12]<@BC_Programming> but that's pretty nifty
[19:13]<@BC_Programming> And I get "reimbursed" to upgrade my hardware as well since I use it for remoting, lol
[19:14]<@BC_Programming> pretty sweet deal if you ask me
[19:14]<jamer> nice!
[19:14]<jamer> android of iphone XD
[19:15]<@BC_Programming> I don't know, didn't say
[19:15]<@BC_Programming> probably the former
[19:15]<@BC_Programming> then again if I go full time that reimbursement would be pretty overkill... ~2560 Gross
[19:15]<@BC_Programming> (per mo)
[19:16]<@BC_Programming> and that's with the entry-level wage too :O
[19:16]<jamer> O.o
[19:17]<jamer> you sir need an oculus rift especially if you play alot of first person things
[19:18]<@BC_Programming> starting part-time though, 20-30 hours so 1280$-1920$ to start per mo
[19:18]<@BC_Programming> which is more than I was making when I worked full time at Tim Hortons
[19:23]<jamer> not bad ....
[19:36]<@BC_Programming> I'm so poor right now I haven't even seen our new set of bills
[19:36]<@BC_Programming> apparently they are made of a polymer or something
[22:16]<+Craig> Glad to hear you got the job bc!
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[23:22]<@BC_Programming> Craig: thx :D
[23:22]<+Craig> You got the job? Or just an interview?
[23:22]<@BC_Programming> it was the interview, he said he still had other applicants to interview
[23:22]<@BC_Programming> he has been interviewing peeps since last monday
[23:23]<@BC_Programming> he said I raised the bar quite a bit
[23:23]<+Craig> Nicer
[23:23]<+Craig> How long did it last?
[23:23]<@BC_Programming> hmm didn't look at the time when I left
[23:23]<+Craig> What!?
[23:23]<@BC_Programming> maybe a half-hour
[23:23]<+Craig> :P
[23:24]<+Craig> How long did it take you to analyze the code?
[23:24]<@BC_Programming> oooh
[23:24]<+Craig> I liked the view of the basic. :P
[23:24]<@BC_Programming> with the BASIC part it felt like an eternity
[23:24]<@BC_Programming> but it probably wasn't more than a minute
[23:25]<+Craig> :P Yeah, basic atleast has a simpler code management look
[23:25]<@BC_Programming> had no comments and there were type declaration characters everywhere
[23:26]<+Craig> Hahahaha
[23:26]<+Craig> Yeah that would suck
[23:26]<@BC_Programming> that was about a page-worth of logic
[23:27]<@BC_Programming> the C# was about three times longer but I nailed that one in like 20 seconds
[23:27]<+Craig> Ouch
[23:27]<+Craig> :P hahahaha yeah you do have some experience :p
[23:29]<@BC_Programming> I suspect the "ConfigReader" class I saw used might possibly be my INIFile class
[23:29]<+Craig> As in literally yours?
[23:29]<@BC_Programming> that would be hilarious if one of them searched for "INI File c# class" and ended up with the one I posted! either that or somebody chose suspiciously similar method names
[23:30]<+Craig> Cause that would be epic!
[23:30]<+Craig> Hahaha,
[23:30]<+Craig> If they used yours that is totally awesome
[23:30]<@BC_Programming> could just be a coincidence of course but that would be hilarious
[23:30]<@BC_Programming> "See I'm already helping"
[23:32]<+Craig> :P That would be awesome if they were testing your ability to even read your own code as well. Since they were already at the point where they were interested to hire you.
[23:32]<@BC_Programming> They said they don't normally interview folks that don't have a degree of some sort
[23:32]<+Craig> Yeah I remember that in your post.
[23:32]<@BC_Programming> but they looked at the code I have on github and my website and they were all blown away
[23:33]<+Craig> Really?
[23:33]<+Craig> Thats epic
[23:33]<@BC_Programming> direct quote
[23:34]<+Craig> Blown away eh? Thats pretty awesome
[23:34]<+Craig> I sincerely hope you get the job, that would be amazing
[23:36]<@BC_Programming> he also said something like "there was one part where I saw you were using bitwise operations, I didn't even know C# had those, I haven't used them in years"
[23:36]<+Craig> What is a bitwise operation?
[23:36]<@BC_Programming> of course NOW I've been trying to fit where I use bitwise operators in BASeBlock lol because I don't remember
[23:36]<@BC_Programming> like flipping and toggling bits
[23:37]<@BC_Programming> I'll have to try to find an example in it
[23:37]<+Craig> :P hahahahaha
[23:37]<+Craig> So you don't remember using them?
[23:38]<@BC_Programming> well the source code is like tens of thousands of lines and I've been working on it for something like 2 years
[23:38]<+Craig> WOW,
[23:38]<+Craig> What is this code for?
[23:38]<@BC_Programming> BASeBlock, my game
[23:39]<+Craig> Thats what I thought :p
[23:39]<+Craig> Wow, yeah that could take quite a while to look through
[23:39]<@BC_Programming> oh here is one
[23:40]<@BC_Programming> else if ((XSpeedDelegate != null) ^ (YSpeedDelegate != null))
[23:40]<@BC_Programming> the ^
[23:41]<@BC_Programming> Exclusive or/Xor so what that means is that the block will execute if either XSpeedDelegate or YSpeedDelegate is null but not if both are null and not if both are not null
[23:41]<+Craig> The if by itself, or the whole equation?
[23:41]<@BC_Programming> the ^ specifically, that is normally it would have to be else if((XSpeedDelegate != null && YSpeedDelegate ==null) || (XSpeedDelegate == null && YSpeedDelegate!=null))
[23:42]<+Craig> Oh, I see, so its a shorter form to make it more efficient.
[23:42]<@BC_Programming> yep
[23:42]<@BC_Programming> this is in the class that is used for the score text and other fading elements
[23:43]<@BC_Programming> oh right my Product Key thing uses it an insane amount
[23:44]<@BC_Programming> http://pastebin.com/UbhZgy9w
[23:44]<@BC_Programming> Initializes a CRC lookup table... I think
[23:45]<@BC_Programming> all the shifts >>, >>=, bitwise ANDs, & and so forth
[23:45]<+Craig> :P
[23:45]<@BC_Programming> There is also a custom class "BitBasher" which presumably deals with bits as well
[23:45]<+Craig> They really, REALLY got you thinking didn't they?
[23:45]<@BC_Programming> I had to find them lol
[23:45]<@BC_Programming> when he said that I was like
[23:46]<@BC_Programming> "I do?"
[23:46]<+Craig> Hahahahaha I knew it
[23:46]<+Craig> :P
[23:46]<+Craig> Learning anything?
[23:46]<@BC_Programming> thing is, to even stumble upon that he was probably looking over it for a while
[23:47]<@BC_Programming> somehow we got talking about Kerbal Space Program haha
[23:48]<@BC_Programming> I think I mentioned that I play a lot of games when he asked what I do in my spare time
[23:48]<@BC_Programming> and he caught me off guard with "which ones"
[23:48]<@BC_Programming> listed off a few and KSP, and he said something to the effect of "Kerbal Space Program, where failing is half the fun" or something lol
[23:49]<+Craig> HAHAHAHA nice
[23:49]<@BC_Programming> and I think I said "for some reason being able to meticulously plan each stage of a mission, build the rocket, and then have it blow up in your face before it even takes off is still fun, you almost hope you made some terrible mistake"
[23:50]<+Craig> :P Hahahahah tooo true
[23:50]<@BC_Programming> apparently one of the other programmers is a Avid WoW Player
[23:51]<+Craig> blech
[23:52]<@BC_Programming> yeah not a fan of that game either
[23:52]<+Craig> :P
[23:52]<+Craig> So boring they have to keep adding to it to draw in new people. :P
[23:52]<@BC_Programming> heheh
[23:52]<@BC_Programming> "Now with Pandas"
[23:52]<+Craig> :P
[23:53]<@BC_Programming> I'm not even joking I think they added Pandas as a playable Race or something
[23:53]<+Craig> Yeah they did, latest pack
[23:53]<+Craig> ...
[23:53]<@BC_Programming> If I do get this I'm rather curious if there is a pattern to the BASIC code that could be picked up and used to automate converting them to C# Forms
[23:54]<+Craig> That would be cool, :)
[23:54]<@BC_Programming> would be funny if I suddenly start burning through them
[23:55]<@BC_Programming> "oh gais I took a few minutes and converted the last 1200 forms this afternoon"
[23:55]<@BC_Programming> "This task was totally not assisted by a automated tool I wrote to convert the original BASIC modules to C# form logic"
[23:56]<@BC_Programming> I'm sure I'll notice some patterns that will at least make it easier to read
[23:56]<@BC_Programming> showing a programmer BASIC code from the 80's is sort of like if somebody was to start talking using 80's slang
[23:57]<@BC_Programming> it takes a few seconds for the brain to adjust lol
[23:59]<+Craig> :P
[23:59]<+Craig> Slang for me is simple. :P
[23:59]<+Craig> basic code would take me a minute :p