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[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[05:46]<+camerongray> Wow, entire script wasn't working - Turns out I had managed to write 'Talse'
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[05:52]<@jacky> is that "Turns" or "Furns" though?
[05:53]<@jacky> :)
[06:01]<PCdoc> lol camerongray :P
[06:01]<+camerongray> lol
[06:01]<PCdoc> i like sometimes to become patio =))
[06:01]<+camerongray> Turns out I actually meant "True" despite having more letters from "false"
[06:02]<+camerongray> lol - I don't do it in the "I hate everything" way that patio does, but people with pirated software annoy me :P
[06:02]<+camerongray> Then again, as soon as someone says "Windows 7 Ultimate" you pretty much know it's pirated!
[06:02]<PCdoc> ppl with pirated softeware annoy u or any one who is using a pirated soft. but NOT asking for help annoys u ?
[06:03]<+camerongray> huh?
[06:03]<PCdoc> i mean anyone using pirated soft. annoys u ?
[06:03]<PCdoc> even if he is not asking for help
[06:04]<+camerongray> Yeah :P
[06:04]<PCdoc> well
[06:04]<PCdoc> :P
[06:04]<+camerongray> lol
[06:04]<+camerongray> I've probably spent over £1000 on software in the last few years
[06:04]<PCdoc> yeah but many ppl cant afford that
[06:04]<+camerongray> Then there are free alternatives :P
[06:05]<PCdoc> but there are some softwares they use daily that are not compatible with free ones
[06:06]<+camerongray> There usually are, but even then it doesn't make it right to steal them!
[06:06]<PCdoc> in our country, more than 70% of ppl use pirated :P
[06:06]<+camerongray> Same here, still doesn't mean it's right :P
[06:07]<+camerongray> I mean, even all the dodgy computer shops fill machines with pirated software
[06:07]<PCdoc> i know its not, but the price is so high, just because US dollar rate is very high
[06:07]<PCdoc> Rs.60 / dollar
[06:07]<+camerongray> Ahh
[06:08]<+camerongray> I've had people get me to fix PCs "I took it to <shop name> last time, he was very good and installed Office 2010 for me"
[06:08]<PCdoc> means 208$ win7 ultimate
[06:08]<+camerongray> It's £200 here too
[06:09]<+camerongray> But you don't need ultimate
[06:09]<+camerongray> If you are building a new machine - Then 7 Home Premium OEM is £68.99
[06:10]<PCdoc> around 110$ here
[06:11]<+camerongray> Even then it doesn't make it right to pirate it
[06:11]<+camerongray> $110 works out to £72 so not far off the UK price
[06:18]<+camerongray> My laptop is £1,438.86 in the UK whereas in the US it works out to £829.66 - Doesn't mean I should go to a store and steal it!
[06:20]<+camerongray> Then my IDE - Was using the 30 day trial which ran out during the middle of work so I had to use a product key I found online - But as soon as I got home I bought a licence
[07:04]<PCdoc> why is he so much rude?
[07:04]<PCdoc> no respect for guests / others
[07:05]<PCdoc> why cant he just keep quite if he doesnt feel like answering?
[07:05]<PCdoc> camerongray:
[07:05]<+camerongray> yeah...
[07:06]<+camerongray> I mean, quite often I look something up but it goes into loads of depth and gets confusing
[07:06]<PCdoc> i wonder if he runs a comp shop/store, he would not have any loyal or permanent customer.
[07:06]<+camerongray> really helps if someone explains it in plain English!
[07:07]<+camerongray> then again, in a store people would give him their machine and trust him to fix it
[07:07]<+camerongray> probably come out with half of the functioning components replaced too!
[07:09]<PCdoc> yeah.. with duplicate ones
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[09:03]<@BC_Programming> !w Nanaimo BC
[09:05]<+camerongray> Nice!
[09:06]<+camerongray> We have typical Scottish weather here
[09:06]<@BC_Programming> It's too hot :/
[09:06]<+camerongray> Moist and Damp would be good words
[09:06]<@BC_Programming> well I guess it could be worse
[09:06]<@BC_Programming> !w Phoenix AZ
[09:06]<+camerongray> The sort of weather where it isn't raining but you go outside and still end up wet
[09:07]<+camerongray> Wow, 8:03am!
[09:07]<+camerongray> 16:07 here
[09:07]<@BC_Programming> 30.6 at 7AM
[09:07]<+camerongray> yeha
[09:07]<@BC_Programming> poor phoenix pplz
[09:07]<+camerongray> lol - People here die when it gets to 15c
[09:07]<@BC_Programming> that's what you get for living in a desert I guess
[09:08]<+camerongray> hehehe
[09:08]<+camerongray> We have a handy temperature web app for deciding if it's hot or cold - http://www.taps-aff.co.uk/
[09:10]<+camerongray> When it gets 15c here, all the BBQs come out!
[09:11]<@BC_Programming> so glad I'm in a basement
[09:11]<@BC_Programming> I remember a while back when my room was always the coolest in the house
[09:12]<@BC_Programming> because it's window pointed out where there was never sun pointing at it and the rest of the room was basically against nice and cold Earth
[09:12]<+camerongray> Ahh
[09:13]<+camerongray> At work it can get boiling
[09:13]<@BC_Programming> I'd here people complaining about the heat and I'd start walking out saying "what do you mea" then I'd pause awkwardly as I left my room and the temperature went up like 20 degrees
[09:13]<+camerongray> No A/C, one window we can open, loads of PCs in the office and servers in the cupboard
[09:15]<@BC_Programming> oh wow I had no idea how pricey MSDN was
[09:15]<@BC_Programming> 699$ for the first year and 499 for renewals
[09:17]<+camerongray> Wow
[09:17]<+camerongray> I still need to get a webcam for this call with MS tomorrow!
[09:18]<@BC_Programming> Technet is being retired as well
[09:18]<+camerongray> Yeah :(
[09:18]<+camerongray> I've worked out that I finish work at 17:30 - The store that sells the webcam shuts at 17:45 and is about a mile away
[09:18]<+camerongray> I can do this!
[09:21]<+camerongray> Logitech c920 for under £65!
[09:22]<+camerongray> What is annoying though is I went to lunch today right next to the store but never thought to get it then
[09:22]<@BC_Programming> wow it's a good thing I'm banned from the Minecraft reddit
[09:23]<@BC_Programming> people are so stupid.... "All of Minecraft's problems wouldn't be an issue if they just hire more people"
[09:23]<@BC_Programming> *slow clap* excellent work having zero understanding of software there buddy
[09:23]<+camerongray> lol
[09:24]<@BC_Programming> I always like how when Jeb/Dinnerbone or previously Notch would say "yeah, we'll try to do X" and everybody says "THEY PROMISED X"
[09:25]<+camerongray> hehehe yeah
[09:25]<+camerongray> That's why I'd hate building games - The customers...
[09:25]<+camerongray> At least with things like Unshorten.it, sendr.io and the CMS I'm building it's not targeted at whiny kids
[09:25]<@BC_Programming> of course if it's a free game you can screw with them as much as you like
[09:32]<@BC_Programming> I find the complaints about the new launcher interesting
[09:32]<@BC_Programming> apparently "looks like an actual application" means it's ugly because it doesn't have some stupid theme
[09:42]<@BC_Programming> lol "maven makes handling dependencies easier"
[09:42]<@BC_Programming> right that's why I cannot even test GP with the development 1.6.1 build of bukkit
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[09:52]<@BC_Programming> let's here it for the excellent dependency management system that turns a two second task into something that so far has taken an hour
[09:53]<@BC_Programming> Do I change the pom.xml file to point to 1.6.1? Nope, that didn't work. Why isn't eclipse picking up the change? did I do something wrong? do I need to manually update my local repository? What kind of repository information does it need? Why isn't eclipse recognizing that the project is using maven? Oh I guess I could use "convert to maven project" oh good, it deleted my pom.xml and replaced
[09:53]<@BC_Programming> it with it's own, that's helpful, now I can start over"
[09:56]<@BC_Programming> this is a freaking nightmare
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[10:09]<@BC_Programming> I have now decided that Maven is a pile of crap
[10:10]<@BC_Programming> "Dependency resolution made easy" my ass. When you have to spend an hour trying to update a single referenced dependency to a new version something is WRONG
[10:13]<+camerongray> hehehe
[10:13]<@BC_Programming> Now normally I would right-click, choose java build path, and simply change the dependencies
[10:14]<@BC_Programming> but now I need to edit a pom.xml file, run some esoteric mvn -U clean install command, which doesn't work because one of GP's dependencies, Vault, apparently doesn't have any repo information
[10:14]<@BC_Programming> at which point I cannot do anything
[10:15]<@BC_Programming> You know what, if hipster douchebags dependent on GriefPrevention want to use Maven, that's up to them, but they can get bent if they think I'll have anything to do with it
[10:16]<@BC_Programming> Because now the project is completely fucked up
[10:17]<@BC_Programming> that's it... I'm unmavenizing, this is freaking retarded
[10:18]<+camerongray> lol
[10:21]<@BC_Programming> deleting pom.xml felt good
[10:22]<@BC_Programming> I closed eclipse, which was show 1789 errors in GriefPrevention.
[10:22]<@BC_Programming> moved the sources back to src, and deleted pom.xml. reopened eclipse and magically there aren't any errors now
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[11:35]<+Tux2> lol BC_Programming, now you know my gripes about maven
[11:36]<@BC_Programming> indeed
[11:36]<@BC_Programming> it's ironic in a way, since it was fine until I needed to deal with dependencies
[11:36]<+Tux2> Yup!
[11:36]<+Tux2> And that's where it gets hairy
[11:36]<@BC_Programming> First I thought "ah ha simples I can just change the pom.xml to point to the new snapshot"
[11:37]<@BC_Programming> which you'd think is how it's supposed to work
[11:37]<+Tux2> lol
[11:37]<+Tux2> People say maven is easy to use and makes workflow easy? NOT!
[11:38]<+Tux2> True fact: I'd rather be using a mac computer before I would use maven.
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[11:38]<@BC_Programming> So I completely demavenized it entirely, it's back to the way it was :D
[11:38]<+Tux2> :D
[11:39]<@BC_Programming> now I'm adding stuff for horses and leads and nametags and guff yay
[11:39]<+Tux2> Windows 8 and Mac are something I would use before resorting to using such garbage as maven.
[11:40]<@BC_Programming> Yeah I decided I'd give it a go, I did, it sucks, the end
[11:40]<+Tux2> :P
[11:40]<+Tux2> I did too
[11:41]<+Tux2> Except I was trying to do dependency resolution on broken maven projects trying to get them to compile through maven
[11:42]<+Tux2> It was so mavenized it depended on maven to compile, yet I couldn't get it to compile because of unresolved dependencies, etc.
[11:44]<+Tux2> ROFL! I think I could do better than maven with my own build system...
[11:45]<@BC_Programming> well to be fair the way I understand it Maven really is just the build system Apache came up with that they made available too
[11:45]<+Tux2> lol, yeah
[11:45]<+Tux2> It's great for some projects, but not for bukkit projects
[11:45]<@BC_Programming> I do wonder how it caught on so much though? I'm apt to think it's sort of a "hey these guys are doing it it must be good"
[11:45]<+Tux2> lol, it's the consumer bandwagon
[11:46]<@BC_Programming> yeah
[11:46]<@BC_Programming> Calum: so technet is being retired huh, that's a shame... or it would be for those that don't get a complimentary MSDN subscription
[11:46]<+Tux2> I will create a new builder, called TuxBuilder, which I will showcase at Minecon which will work 200% better than maven, with easy to use documentation and a nice gui integration into eclipse
[11:46]<@Calum> BC_Programming: stop being so smug haha
[11:47]<@Calum> Just because you're so clever and stuff
[11:47]<+Tux2> Dependency resolution will be made quite simple, and it won't need esoteric commands or file structures
[11:48]<@Calum> Nah, in all seriousness, it does suck, I'm glad I downloaded everything before I let it lapse though
[11:48]<+Tux2> It will also not suffer from the lack of a project not using the tool to compile it.
[11:49]<@BC_Programming> Tux2: but aren't there other tools like that? Ant for example?
[11:49]<@BC_Programming> I don't know if that's the case since I've not really used Ant
[11:50]<+Tux2> BC_Programming: Ant is great, until you need to download dependencies
[11:51]<+Tux2> Although that suggestion was half in jest.
[11:51]<@BC_Programming> I like NuGet, works surprisingly well, though I think that's .NET only. Works pretty much automatically, you add references/dependencies as you normally would but nuget-managed references get updated if the repo updates, at least that's how I understand it and have seen it
[11:52]<+Tux2> BC_Programming: gotcha
[11:53]<@BC_Programming> I think it also has add-ons which also update, it's sorta like Eclipse's Software Update thing but also covers your project's dependencies
[11:53]<+Tux2> Interesting
[11:53]<@BC_Programming> yeah I went nuts and installed too many add-ons so it took like 10 minutes to start VS
[11:54]<@BC_Programming> decided about that time to remove the 50 add-ons I would probably never use
[11:54]<+Tux2> You know what, I just figure I'll just make it, and then get people using it, instead of maven, so no projects are pressured to mavenize, in fact, it will free projects up!
[11:54]<+Tux2> Instead of taking an hour to add dependencies, they can focus on actual coding
[11:54]<@BC_Programming> and it could use YML instead of XML for that proper bukkit-plugin oriented feel
[11:55]<+Tux2> ;)
[11:56]<+Tux2> But, of course, that will all be hidden under the hood of a nice gui
[11:59]<@BC_Programming> I wonder if that AndrePL guy wanted GP mavenized to make the task of keeping his own fork up to date easier
[12:01]<@BC_Programming> ugh... the Horse doesn't have any way to determine if it's tamed or not MADNESS I say
[12:01]<@BC_Programming> (yet)
[12:04]<@BC_Programming> heh PigZapEvent what a strangely specific event
[12:06]<+camerongray> Hey Calum
[12:07]<@BC_Programming> for some reason MVPs are given the choice between technet and MSDN
[12:07]<@Calum> hey camerongray
[12:07]<@BC_Programming> I don't even think technet has Visual Studio or other dev tools though :/
[12:07]<@BC_Programming> whereas with MSDN I can use Visual Studio 2013 Preview
[12:09]<+camerongray> Yeah Calum, Removing Technet sucks, where will I get MS Software cheap now?
[12:09]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, Dreamspark Premium for free!
[12:09]<+camerongray> Sorry, couldn't resist :P
[12:09]<@BC_Programming> lol
[12:10]<@BC_Programming> ahh but camerongray does that Dreamspark give you access to 212GB of Drivers?
[12:10]<+camerongray> lol
[12:10]<+camerongray> But "Driver Scanner 2013 Professional Ultimate 7 Black Edition" does
[12:10]<+camerongray> Works best on XP Black
[12:11]<@BC_Programming> wait did he say that?
[12:11]<+camerongray> lol, nah
[12:11]<+camerongray> But they probably are from some dodgy driver site
[12:11]<@BC_Programming> FWIW there is one thing I do like about the Black Edition, I like some of the themes it comes with
[12:11]<@BC_Programming> but those can be installed manually without a pirate copy, so yeah
[12:11]<+camerongray> Yeah
[12:11]<+camerongray> I used the Zune theme on XP for a while
[12:11]<@BC_Programming> I don't like how themes have to be signed... kind of a pain
[12:12]<@Calum> camerongray: what does dreamspark premium give you though? Sorry was just on the phone
[12:12]<+camerongray> Then I started using Classic :P
[12:12]<+camerongray> ALL THE THINGS!
[12:12]<+camerongray> http://e5.onthehub.com/WebStore/ProductsByMajorVersionList.aspx?cmi_mnuMain=bdba23cf-e05e-e011-971f-0030487d8897&ws=c43e3305-bb8b-e011-969d-0030487d8897&pc=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000
[12:13]<@Calum> oh nice, I didn't even know there was a Dreamspark Premium
[12:13]<@Calum> I had Dreamspark back in college and grabbed Server 03 and 08 from there
[12:13]<@BC_Programming> so far I've gotten two years of MSDN for free mwa haha
[12:13]<+camerongray> Yeah, the institution has to pay for it
[12:13]<@Calum> hah AutoRoute, they still make that?
[12:13]<+camerongray> We get MS-DOS 6!
[12:14]<@Calum> oh man just scrolled down and realised you really do get all the things
[12:14]<+camerongray> We just got regular dreamspark in school (I used Windows Server 2008 and later r2 for ages as my main OS)
[12:14]<@BC_Programming> I could download the Windows 3.1 SDK
[12:14]<+camerongray> We just got regular dreamspark in school, but at uni we get premium
[12:14]<+camerongray> Only in informatics though :D
[12:14]<@Calum> cool
[12:14]<+camerongray> bbl - food
[12:15]<@BC_Programming> my listing includes the complete MSDN library downloads for for every month from 2001 through to 2013
[12:15]<@BC_Programming> I mean really that's a bit much... will somebody really need specifically the MSDN library from April 2005 rather than May?
[12:16]<@Calum> maybe
[12:16]<@Calum> you just never know
[12:17]<@BC_Programming> and yet they don't provide a download for Visual Studio 97 or Visual Basic 5
[12:17]<@Calum> a terrible oversight
[12:17]<@BC_Programming> Visual Basic 1,2,3,4, 6
[12:17]<@BC_Programming> I think it's a conspiracy
[12:18]<@BC_Programming> This proves the lizard people are in charge of MS somehow
[12:18]<@BC_Programming> I'm going to see what other free stuff I can get through MVP offers
[12:18]<@BC_Programming> those are awesome
[12:19]<@Calum> heh
[12:19]<@BC_Programming> I like my free and legal copy of Resharper :D
[12:20]<@BC_Programming> ooooh awesome I could get a full copy of Camtasia Studio
[12:20]<@BC_Programming> that would replace my current pirated version
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[12:21]<@BC_Programming> That's what I thought
[12:21]<@Calum> there's definitely something wrong with this laptop
[12:21]<@BC_Programming> oh?
[12:22]<@Calum> mhm, think the onboard graphics are slowly dying
[12:22]<@Calum> keep getting corruptions but only on web pages
[12:22]<@BC_Programming> interesting... what OS?
[12:22]<@Calum> Win7
[12:22]<@BC_Programming> using Aero?
[12:22]<@Calum> gifs make it bad, also lots of images on a page
[12:23]<@Calum> no, but it does it with Aero too
[12:23]<@Calum> oh it does it in games
[12:23]<@BC_Programming> oh
[12:23]<@Calum> not so much with FLash though
[12:23]<@BC_Programming> I was thinking you could disable it if you were using it was my idea, since Aero is "3-D graphics"
[12:23]<@BC_Programming> That's what I've done a few times when my Graphics card decides to throw a fit
[12:23]<@Calum> that's why I initially disabled it, but sometimes Aero can help actually
[12:23]<@Calum> but yeah it does the same either way
[12:24]<@BC_Programming> if I am quick and switch to a 2-D desktop fast enough I can avoid a bluescreen when that happens...
[12:24]<@Calum> ah right
[12:24]<@BC_Programming> Sadly I'm not usually fast enough, but I can count on one hand how often that has happened
[12:24]<@Calum> heh
[12:25]<@BC_Programming> Actually I think it stopped when I repasted my GPU
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[12:25]<@BC_Programming> if it's integrated doesn't that mean it uses System Memory? could be a bad stick of RAM that the GPU is using
[12:26]<@Calum> it does indeed, RAM checks out OK though, and it still does it with either of the two sticks
[12:26]<@Calum> at least I think it did
[12:27]<@Calum> I'm not overly bothered because it just gives me a little more motivation, by constantly annoying me, to get myself in gear and get my desktop sorted
[12:27]<@BC_Programming> heh
[12:27]<@BC_Programming> I discovered that my Toshiba 440CDX supports OpenGL
[12:28]<@Calum> heh
[12:28]<@BC_Programming> I was able to play quakeGL at around 2 FPS, and textures don't work and everything is white
[12:28]<@Calum> lol
[12:29]<@BC_Programming> I find it odd that it went slower with OpenGL than using the standard software rendering, which was playable
[12:29]<@BC_Programming> or at least it must have been, I had to have clocked several hundred hours in Quake on that laptop lol
[12:29]<@Calum> haha
[12:29]<@BC_Programming> I bet I wouldn't consider it playable now that I've been spoiled :P
[12:30]<@Calum> funny how that works
[12:30]<@Calum> I remember playing Unreal Tournament on integrated graphics, everything way down, low res...came back to it when I had a proper PC and it was like a whole new game
[12:31]<@BC_Programming> YES
[12:31]<@BC_Programming> Exactly
[12:31]<@BC_Programming> I also played Duke3d so much there... got this new Desktop and was like "OK let's try this High Resolution pack" and it was like a new game
[12:31]<@Calum> can't do that with a console
[12:32]<@BC_Programming> nope
[12:33]<@BC_Programming> That's what's cool, there are so many old games, but because they are PC games they have things like source ports or high-res textures added since to use the improved power that PCs have gained since
[12:33]<@Calum> exactly, it's awesome
[12:33]<@BC_Programming> if Super Mario World was a PC game it would have some crazy 2.5D port that had advanced shaders and 3-D models for everything
[12:33]<@Calum> hah yeah
[12:34]<@Calum> plus, as I pointed out to Cassie the other day - look at the damn prices of games for one thing, that instantly negates the argument of "gaming PCs are expensive"
[12:35]<@Calum> well, let's just take a look at my Steam library, an embarrassingly large amount of games...how much woluld that have cost on consoles? A few grand at least
[12:35]<@BC_Programming> yep
[12:35]<@Calum> look at the bundle packs you can buy, or the awesome sales
[12:35]<@BC_Programming> I like the older consoles, but once you get to the newer consoles where most games have PC versions/ports, I just don't see the point
[12:35]<@Calum> indeed
[12:36]<@BC_Programming> modern consoles are pretty much stripped down PCs anyway
[12:36]<@Calum> the next gen ones are even x86, aren't they?
[12:36]<@BC_Programming> Wouldn't surprise me in the least
[12:36]<@Calum> I say "next gen" and laugh, because they're already out of date, but yeah
[12:37]<@BC_Programming> the Xbox and Xbox 360 are x86 if I recall
[12:37]<@BC_Programming> the original XBox was like a Pentium III or something
[12:37]<@Calum> yeah Iw as just typing that lol
[12:37]<@Calum> I don't know about the 360
[12:37]<@Calum> PS3 is an IBM CPU
[12:37]<@Calum> PS2, don't think that was x86 but there was a version of Linux that would run on it
[12:38]<@Calum> if you bought the not very common HDD and network card upgrades
[12:38]<@BC_Programming> 360 runs a windows kernel so I figure it's probably x86/x64
[12:38]<@Calum> fair enough
[12:38]<@BC_Programming> newest console I've ever owned was a gamecube after that it was meh
[12:38]<@Calum> I know very little about new consoles, and by new I mean not the PS1/PS2/Xbox lol
[12:39]<@BC_Programming> I like learning technical stuff about the older consoles like the NES and stuff, it's pretty amazing what they manage to pack into it and what can be done with it when you learn about the limitations
[12:40]<@Calum> yeah
[12:40]<@BC_Programming> !w Nanaimo BC
[12:41]<jamer> Halo 1-4 ran on the same game engine
[12:41]<@BC_Programming> hmm so it's not just me, it is hot
[12:41]<@Calum> jamer: really? I didn't know that
[12:43]<jamer> Yeah ... the next halo because of the limitation of the original engine will take time because they have to redo the engine
[12:43]<@Calum> interesting
[12:43]<@BC_Programming> They don't use the same engine. They use a modified, improved version based off the original
[12:43]<@Calum> I've only played the first two, on account of them not bothering to port it
[12:43]<@Calum> er, port the 3rd and 4th I mean
[12:44]<@Calum> the second was a real hack job on PC, too, terrible port
[12:44]<@BC_Programming> ahh was just going to wonder aloud how I got a PC version of the first one
[12:44]<@Calum> yeah it was just like elevnty five years later than the Xbox version
[12:44]<@BC_Programming> Honestly I thought the game was pretty lacklustre- was not terribly impressed with it
[12:44]<jamer> Calum the second really just sucked ...
[12:45]<@Calum> I really like the first and second to be hones,t but I don't know if that was just because I have good memories of playing them
[12:45]<@Calum> I still play through them now and again
[12:45]<@BC_Programming> I found the first one, which is the only one I played, a bit repetitive, a lot of the game looked the same
[12:45]<@Calum> what was so bad about the second compared to the first?
[12:45]<jamer> Theres still a custom editio. Version of the first for multiplayer
[12:45]<@BC_Programming> I lost count of how often I got lost in those chambers and stuff
[12:45]<jamer> The second one I often found buggy
[12:46]<@Calum> BC_Programming: yeah it was fairly repetitive, partly because for about half the game you're going back on yourself :P
[12:46]<@BC_Programming> then I think I figure out where I'm going and I emerge the same place I entered
[12:46]<@Calum> if you got turned around somewhere it could be a nightmare I agree
[12:47]<jamer> The first one was bad on thay
[12:47]<jamer> That*
[12:47]<@Calum> yeah that's what I mean, the second wasn't like that
[12:48]<jamer> The secind did seem to have a short short campaign
[12:49]<@Calum> It was kind of short actually
[12:49]<jamer> Thats my main complain on halo 2
[12:50]<@Calum> that's fair enough, it could've been longer I agree
[12:50]<@Calum> I found it enjoyable though, more variety
[12:50]<@Calum> being able to use the energy swords was awesome
[12:50]<jamer> The third I found enjoyable
[12:51]<@BC_Programming> I tend to gravitate towards older or simpler games
[12:51]<jamer> Though I wish they made a correct porting of it to pc though ... stupid bungie ...
[12:51]<@BC_Programming> I find that I tend to suck at games the newer they are
[12:51]<jamer> Bc_programming yould like the game freespace 1 and 2
[12:52]<@Calum> jamer: if they'd ported it, I would've played it, even just to see what it was like. But being as they didn't, I'll never get to try it, which kind of sucks. But to be fair, with the hash they made of Halo 2 PC maybe it's better that they didn't
[12:52]<@BC_Programming> jamer:I already have those but I don't think I was able to get them working on Win7
[12:53]<jamer> Bc its compatibility issues ... I got my copies working
[12:53]<jamer> Calum very true
[12:54]<jamer> Though the one game I want to get is called remember me
[12:58]<+camerongray> back
[12:58]<+camerongray> Wow that is hot!
[12:58]<+camerongray> Still moist here
[12:58]<+camerongray> !w Edinburgh, UK
[12:59]<@BC_Programming> Rub in your more reasonable temperatures why don't you
[12:59]<@BC_Programming> Let's see how Jacky is doing
[12:59]<+camerongray> lol
[12:59]<@BC_Programming> !w Crapo MA
[12:59]<+camerongray> Wow!
[13:00]<@BC_Programming> oh wow I think he wins
[13:00]<+camerongray> It's horrible here, all damp and err.. damp
[13:00]<@BC_Programming> hotter temp and more humidity
[13:00]<jamer> !w lima ohii
[13:00]<jamer> !w lima ohio
[13:07]<+camerongray> Oh yeah Calum - Is that printer networked/USB?
[13:07]<@Calum> I think it does both, let me check
[13:08]<@Calum> hm no it's USB only, I thought it had Ethernet
[13:09]<+camerongray> Cool, that's fine
[13:09]<+camerongray> I can hook it up to my server
[13:09]<+camerongray> Want to see if I can set it so it logs who prints what to save argument when buying toner/paper for it
[13:09]<@Calum> heh
[13:09]<+camerongray> Should be possible using my server
[13:09]<@Calum> cool
[13:10]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, it;s working brilliantly!
[13:10]<@Calum> oh good
[13:10]<+camerongray> Got over a month uptime - Then I went to plug my keyboard into my PC and sat on the power button :P
[13:10]<@Calum> hah
[13:11]<+camerongray> What's it like in terms of toner cost?
[13:11]<+camerongray> Like is black the same as a regular B/W printer?
[13:11]<@Calum> no idea, I haven't really checked into toners because I didn't know if I would be keeping it
[13:11]<+camerongray> Ahh, cool
[13:11]<+camerongray> What's it's level like?
[13:11]<@Calum> let me power it on and check
[13:12]<@Calum> it takes a while to come online so bear with me
[13:12]<+camerongray> Ahh lol
[13:12]<+camerongray> Mine is the same :P
[13:12]<@Calum> it has a slight issue with print quality, there was a line when I got it, but it seems to be getting better as I print more
[13:12]<@Calum> so I think it was just unused for a while, or maybe the car journey upset it
[13:13]<@Calum> it wasn't quite level so I dunno
[13:13]<+camerongray> Ahh - That'll probably just be a drum - Mine already does that - There's a scratch on the drum
[13:13]<@Calum> printing supplies status page now
[13:13]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: and if you need drivers for the printer Guitarman can hook you up because he has access to 212GB of drivers
[13:14]<+camerongray> hehehe
[13:14]<+camerongray> Probably XP only though!
[13:14]<@Calum> hah talkin of drivers you need to use the vista driver for win7
[13:14]<+camerongray> And my server should also run XP because it's the best
[13:14]<@BC_Programming> and only XP2 because SP3 is Vista Prelude
[13:14]<+camerongray> I'll be running it on my Debian server so should be fine
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[13:14]<@Calum> right, black is on 2%, wow...not sure if that's accurate because I think when I got it it was like 10%, and I haven't used it much, but hey
[13:14]<@Calum> cyan 83%
[13:14]<@Calum> magenta 81%
[13:15]<@Calum> yellow 25%
[13:15]<@Calum> image transfer kit 28%
[13:15]<@Calum> fuser 97%
[13:15]<+camerongray> Ahh, that's good
[13:15]<+camerongray> Toners aren't too expensive
[13:15]<@Calum> from the "pages printed with this supply" and remaining life, looks like 5k pages per toner
[13:15]<@Calum> although the black has done enarly 6k
[13:15]<@Calum> *nearly
[13:16]<@Calum> like the cyan has done 906, estimates 4423 left
[13:16]<+camerongray> Ahh cool
[13:17]<@Calum> that page came out pretty perfect btw, just a small faint line maybe 1/6 of the way down the page
[13:17]<@Calum> not very noticeable
[13:17]<+camerongray> Ahh - that's fine
[13:18]<+camerongray> My current one is pretty noticable
[13:18]<@Calum> when I first got it there was a line all the way down, fairly wide, and some smudges, but this page has none of that
[13:18]<@Calum> hm the ones I printed yesterday are 100% perfect, didn't even notice that heh
[13:18]<@Calum> so I'm assuming it was just lack of use, I've literally used it maybe 10 times
[13:19]<+camerongray> Ahh
[13:19]<@Calum> the guy who I got it from, got it from an office closure, so I don't know how much it had been used, it might've sat idle for a while while they were sorting stuff out, might've sat on its side or something too
[13:19]<@Calum> I'm just guessing really heh
[13:20]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah, I got mine from work who got it from another company
[13:20]<+camerongray> Page count: 95,550
[13:20]<@Calum> heh
[13:20]<@Calum> wow just looked at when the cartridges were installed
[13:20]<@Calum> black was November 2007
[13:21]<@Calum> cyan and magenta mid 2010, yellow early 2009
[13:22]<@Calum> so I'm not really surprised it wasn't printing perfectly at first with 5 and a half year old toner lol
[13:22]<+camerongray> Yeah
[13:22]<+camerongray> Sounds great - Hope I have space for it in the flat!
[13:23]<@Calum> heh, hopefully, would clear me some space and save me some hassle
[13:23]<+camerongray> lol
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[13:23]<+camerongray> Oh yeah - Did I tell you what I got in Poundland?
[13:23]<@Calum> no?
[13:24]<@Calum> a GTX 780?
[13:24]<+camerongray> lol
[13:24]<+camerongray> 10m Belkin Cat6 and Cat5e Crossover
[13:24]<+camerongray> And a 1m Belkin USB 3.0 cable
[13:24]<@Calum> ah nice, not bad at all
[13:24]<+camerongray> Yeah
[13:24]<+camerongray> Like £8 on Ebuyer
[13:24]<+camerongray> I got 70m for less than that
[13:24]<+camerongray> Yeah.... Kinda cleared them out!
[13:24]<@Calum> yeah that's decent, you sometimes see decent lengths of Cat 5 on Ebay but not always
[13:24]<@Calum> haha yeah
[13:25]<+camerongray> My friend who is home in England at the moment wanted me to get him some too
[13:25]<+camerongray> Told my other friend I was going back for the rest, he tried to beat me and went to the wrong Poundland :D
[13:26]<@Calum> haha
[13:27]<@BC_Programming> I impressed myself with my latest blog post
[13:27]<@BC_Programming> frikkin mad concurrency and threading
[13:28]<@Calum> heh
[13:29]<@BC_Programming> most search tools will search through files, and with each file they will basically "stop" and examine that file to see if it meets some set of requirements based on search parameters
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[13:29]<@BC_Programming> my version however let's the search logic keep going and finding more files, and just spins off a new thread to do that filtering
[13:29]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, I'm looking for a Webcam - Is £65 good for a Logitech c920?
[13:29]<+camerongray> Currys had it on sale
[13:30]<@BC_Programming> The only webcam I have is on my laptop
[13:30]<@BC_Programming> I wonder if they make monitors with built in webcams
[13:31]<+camerongray> Yeah, seen a couple
[13:31]<@Calum> they do
[13:31]<@Calum> I have no idea about webcams, the only one I've ever bought was a cheap £5 Microsoft one
[13:31]<+camerongray> AHh
[13:31]<+camerongray> The logitech appeals as it should be able to fit on my super thick monitor
[13:32]<+camerongray> At it's thinnest point on the top it's 45mm!
[13:33]<@Calum> heh
[13:33]<+camerongray> Still really nice - Not easy to get 1920x1200 in a 22" monitior
[13:33]<+camerongray> Most are 24"
[13:33]<@Calum> yeah
[13:34]<+camerongray> I love the korean ones but not sure if two may be too big
[13:34]<@Calum> heh
[13:34]<@Calum> I love mine
[13:34]<+camerongray> I'll need to do some calculations to see what it would look like to have a korean one and my 22" ones in portrait next to it
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[13:35]<@BC_Programming> sigh
[13:35]<@BC_Programming> stupid dev builds
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[13:37]<+camerongray> It's so hard to not buy stuff :P
[13:37]<+camerongray> Just got paid but need to save it for the flat
[13:37]<@Calum> lol
[13:38]<@Calum> I'm having to restrain myself with my credit card
[13:38]<+camerongray> Ahh lol
[13:39]<@Calum> I need it to get through this month, have car tax to pay for and stuff
[13:39]<+camerongray> I'd be dangerous with one!
[13:39]<+camerongray> Oh look, a keyboard
[13:39]<+camerongray> Oh look another keyboard very similar
[13:39]<@Calum> the guy I sold my graphics card to says it doesn't work, so I'll probably end up having to refund him
[13:39]<@Calum> which complicates things
[13:39]<+camerongray> Ahh
[13:39]<@Calum> oh you do love your keyboards hah
[13:39]<+camerongray> lol
[13:39]<+camerongray> Model M is acting up but I found a couple more and they are happy to refund
[13:40]<+camerongray> I could probably fix it easily but it's under warranty so easier just to return
[13:40]<@Calum> I'm waiting on my tax refund, and £50 from something, and then £150 near the end of the month and another £200 a few weeks after, so it's just the start and middle I am struggling with
[13:40]<@Calum> ah right
[13:41]<+camerongray> I need to sell the laptops I've been refurbing!
[13:41]<@Calum> and I need someone to buy my old wheels from my car, because they're taking up space
[13:41]<@Calum> anything interesting?
[13:41]<@Calum> no Calum don't be silly you don't need them
[13:41]<+camerongray> Currently sitting on a D620, nc6400, Toshiba L300, Probook 4515s
[13:41]<+camerongray> And this beauty! http://www.trustedreviews.com/lenovo-thinkpad-x220_Laptop_review
[13:41]<@BC_Programming> my laptop is a Toshiba L300
[13:42]<+camerongray> Which Is worth like £400-£500 yet I still haven't got round to selling it
[13:42]<+camerongray> Psst - Calum, be silly...
[13:42]<+camerongray> All except for the x220 are under £100 :P
[13:42]<@Calum> no what I need to do is sort myself out, sort my desktop, and sell this laptop
[13:42]<+camerongray> lol
[13:42]<@Calum> cleverly disguising the graphics problem somehow
[13:43]<+camerongray> hehehe
[13:43]<+camerongray> What laptop is it?
[13:43]<@Calum> HP 6930p
[13:43]<+camerongray> Ahh nice
[13:43]<@Calum> all sleek and metal-ly
[13:43]<@Calum> looking so much more expensive than it is
[13:43]<+camerongray> Yeah
[13:43]<+camerongray> I would buy it to refurb - But you wouldn't like the price :P
[13:44]<@Calum> hah I know
[13:44]<+camerongray> Had a couple of eBay sellers make up excuses why they won't sell it
[13:44]<+camerongray> "It has a virus"
[13:44]<@Calum> it might be alright with a Windows reinstall to be fair, I'll see how it goes when I come to get rid
[13:44]<KindOne> oh baby
[13:44]<+camerongray> Funny bit was
[13:44]<+camerongray> "Hard drive not included"
[13:44]<@Calum> lol
[13:44]<@Calum> nice
[13:45]<+camerongray> Reported to ebay
[13:45]<@Calum> I hate when they make up stupid excuses
[13:45]<+camerongray> Doesn't bother me though - The number of bids I make and miss most of them
[13:45]<@Calum> if you want a certain price, set it buy it now, or set a reserve, and pay for it, or quit whining
[13:45]<+camerongray> More enjoyable to watch them get reported
[13:45]<+camerongray> yeah
[13:45]<+camerongray> I won it for like £15
[13:46]<+camerongray> Some Core 2 Duo Toshiba Portege
[13:46]<+camerongray> Actually, think it was a Tecr
[13:46]<+camerongray> Tecra*
[13:46]<@Calum> ah right
[13:46]<+camerongray> The person who sold me two Pentium Dual Core laptops didn't complain with £60!
[13:47]<@Calum> nice
[13:47]<+camerongray> Well, that and a Pentium II and Pentium III :P
[13:48]<+camerongray> This is how many I had at one point: http://stuff.camerongray.me/IMG_2120.JPG
[13:48]<+camerongray> To be fair, I actually have one more than that now :P
[13:48]<@BC_Programming> heh the guy that called me arrogant and stuff has forked GriefPrevention and seems to be under the impression that he can outcode me
[13:49]<@BC_Programming> well
[13:49]<@BC_Programming> it is ON
[13:49]<@Calum> haha, wow
[13:49]<+camerongray> BUt I've packed all the old ones up in boxes
[13:49]<+camerongray> And the MacBook lives in the office at the moment
[13:50]<+camerongray> Sold that Sony one for £120
[13:50]<@Calum> cool
[13:50]<+camerongray> Cost me £30 and a pair of keyboard keys
[13:50]<@Calum> nice profit
[13:50]<+camerongray> Yeah
[13:51]<+camerongray> Toshiba was similar - Guy had tried to fit a new screen but did it wrong - £30 + 1 key + screws for the bezel
[13:51]<@Calum> good times
[13:51]<+camerongray> YEah
[13:52]<@Calum> brb just need to wash some plates and stuff, joy
[13:52]<+camerongray> Only issue is some idiot removed the COA from the probook
[13:52]<+camerongray> I can install Windows using the SLIC table thing so that's fine - Not sure how it will affect the value though
[13:54]<+camerongray> Oh yeah Calum - Solution to lack of TechNet...
[13:54]<+camerongray> Do a lostcoast!
[13:54]<+camerongray> 1) Find people with MSDN/Dreamspark Premium
[13:54]<+camerongray> 2) Beg them for keys
[13:54]<+camerongray> 3) Act like they are being unreasonable when they refuse
[13:55]<@BC_Programming> oh what happened!?
[13:55]<+camerongray> I mentioned I had Dreamspark Premium for someone and he starts reeling off a shopping list of keys he wanted
[13:55]<@BC_Programming> bahaha
[13:55]<+camerongray> Quite a while ago, but still...
[13:55]<@BC_Programming> still hilarious
[13:55]<+camerongray> Yep!
[13:55]<+camerongray> It's not like I have a "Get another key" button
[13:56]<@BC_Programming> you don't?
[13:56]<+camerongray> Nah, one of each item
[13:56]<@BC_Programming> MSDN has that for many products...
[13:56]<+camerongray> Ahh
[13:56]<@BC_Programming> I can get like 10 keys for some things
[13:56]<+camerongray> Can get two of WIndows though since they give different keys for 64 and 32bit
[13:56]<@BC_Programming> many of them don't actually have keys and just use a static key
[13:57]<+camerongray> Even then, it's not like if we gave him keys they would be legal for him to use
[13:57]<@BC_Programming> "Thanks Michael, I'll have our programmers review some of your code and we will follow up next week when we are ready to start doing interviews." << I hope this guy get's back to me or I'll be a sad Panda
[13:57]<+camerongray> Nice!
[13:58]<+camerongray> Put commets in your code "Pleas hire me"
[13:58]<@BC_Programming> That was Friday
[13:58]<+camerongray> Then ASCII art of a cute puppy
[13:58]<+camerongray> What I don't get is how on earth he honestly thought I would just give him a key
[13:58]<@BC_Programming> I put BASeNotes on my website too, because hey why not
[13:58]<@BC_Programming> he never asked me for a key
[13:58]<+camerongray> Even if I had infinite keys that I could legally give away, I wouldn't give him one!
[13:58]<@BC_Programming> I would relish the ability to give him keys that I make up off the top of my head that don't work
[13:59]<+camerongray> lol yeah
[13:59]<+camerongray> "Oh, you have to install it first then add the key"
[13:59]<+camerongray> Watch as he reinstalls his OS and then can't activate
[13:59]<@BC_Programming> bahaha
[13:59]<@BC_Programming> "Oh sorry I misread the instructions"
[13:59]<+camerongray> hehehe
[14:00]<@BC_Programming> "But now my OS isn't activated ;-("
[14:00]<+camerongray> Then I can go "Contact microsoft!"
[14:00]<@BC_Programming> "look on the bright side, perhaps this will teach you not to ask for Product keys from people who have made it quite clear they are would not have fun trolling the crap out of you by making up fake keys"
[14:01]<@BC_Programming> they would have fun*
[14:01]<@BC_Programming> "are would not have fun" wtf?
[14:01]<+camerongray> lol
[14:01]<+camerongray> You made an english real good
[14:02]<+camerongray> YES! You've been framed is on! :D
[14:02]<+camerongray> hehehe, someone fell over
[14:03]<+camerongray> There's a reason this show has been going for over 22 years!
[14:07]<@Calum> Today on "little things that annoy Calum" - laptops that don't have built in wireless, and people who don't screw lids back on to bottles properly
[14:07]<+camerongray> lol - yep!
[14:08]<+camerongray> And for me the random guy at uni that i don't know but hate already!
[14:08]<@BC_Programming> do they even make laptops nowadays without built-in wireless?
[14:08]<@BC_Programming> my 440CDX doesn't even have ethernet lol
[14:08]<@BC_Programming> the only "network device" it has is Infra-red
[14:08]<@Calum> I doubt it, but this one is circa 2003
[14:08]<@Calum> so just about when built in wireless was becoming a standard thing
[14:09]<@Calum> it was an option
[14:09]<+camerongray> Comes in late to every lecture, then walks in with is breifcase looking smug, picks the most awkward seat (i.e. most laptops in the row before it) so everyone has to stand up to let him past
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[14:09]<@BC_Programming> I bought a PC-Card for my 440CDX to try to add ethernet as well as wireless
[14:09]<+camerongray> We call him "Late Twat"
[14:09]<@BC_Programming> the ethernet works for about a minute then the computer hangs hard
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[14:09]<@BC_Programming> the wireless hangs when connecting to a network
[14:10]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: I'd call him "your briefcase is over there" after throwing it across the room
[14:10]<+camerongray> hehehe
[14:10]<+camerongray> This is also his description of why he should be the class rep: "Dear readers, I did not put a heading for my statement, because I believe this way we can feel more unofficial - what I am hoping for our future together. That you are able to see me as one of you, to whom you can share your problems and difficulties."
[14:11]<@BC_Programming> wtf
[14:11]<@Calum> sounds like a grade A tool
[14:11]<@BC_Programming> that's a rather long way of saying nothing at all
[14:11]<+camerongray> http://elections.eusa.ed.ac.uk/elect/elections/10/candidates/678/view
[14:11]<+camerongray> Click to the other names - You can easily tell who won :P
[14:11]<+camerongray> The guy who is (a) Happy and (b) said something in his statement
[14:12]<@BC_Programming> bahaha
[14:12]<+camerongray> Oh, he also wears a really long jacket and leather gloves
[14:12]<@BC_Programming> the others are more like "I likes being in charge of things"
[14:12]<+camerongray> Yeah
[14:13]<+camerongray> What pisses me off more though is the fact he stands outside smoking before every lecture, yet still ends up being at least 30mins late
[14:13]<+camerongray> Almost exactly!
[14:13]<@Mulreay> Wow I would nickname him Sir Slapalot in the hope people take it to heart
[14:13]<+camerongray> lol!
[14:14]<@Calum> hah
[14:14]<+camerongray> Turned out my firend also hates him - He used to always talk about this guy - "fuckwit"
[14:14]<+camerongray> Only discovered that it was the same person when we were sitting together and he came in :P
[14:15]<@Mulreay> Yeah, I have no time for people like that
[14:15]<+camerongray> Then there's all his friends who we hate too for no reason :P
[14:16]<+camerongray> Like one who preaches that we should all use C++ for everything, then at the last hackathon ended up with a locally hosted pretty javacript animated page whereas the idea was to make a fancy web app on AWS
[14:16]<@Mulreay> If you're friends with someone like that then there has to be a part of you that agrees with him and you are slightly like that
[14:16]<+camerongray> Then there's his other friend - Looks like Jack Black but with stupidly long hair - Stinks of smoke!
[14:17]<+camerongray> The main computer lab is huge yet you can smell him from the other side of the room!
[14:17]<+camerongray> And the whole lot of them are so loud in lectures!
[14:18]<@BC_Programming> ugg C/C++ elitists are annoying
[14:19]<@BC_Programming> every single one of their arguments could be used to 'justify' why people should use Assembly rather than C/C++
[14:19]<+camerongray> Especially ones who can reel off all the reasons to use it, yet can't build a simple web app in 24hours
[14:19]<@BC_Programming> well assuming one of his reasons wasn't productivity
[14:19]<+camerongray> We made an almost complete web app despite half our team going to a club and coming back at 3am where one got handed his stuff and went home and the other passed out on his laptop!
[14:20]<+camerongray> His excuse was one of his team memebers had to go home early!
[14:20]<+camerongray> We were so tempted to say "One of our members is at home, and the other is still drunk"
[14:22]<+camerongray> To be fair, he hasn't tried to be eletist after that
[14:25]<@BC_Programming> C/C++ programmers often have 16-bit memories
[14:25]<@BC_Programming> in other words, they have short memories.... haha
[14:26]<+camerongray> Yeah
[14:26]<+camerongray> It's always funny though when someone tries to act smart and can reel off loads of theory
[14:27]<+camerongray> But can't actually make something
[14:27]<@BC_Programming> they would make a good professor
[14:27]<+camerongray> His project ended up being a page where you type text in a box, press a button the page then scrolls down and shows a 2x2 table with the word you typed in each cell
[14:28]<+camerongray> And I mean exactly what I said!
[14:28]<+camerongray> Our half-drunk team on the other hand - Fully functional early version of Sendr.io!
[14:29]<@BC_Programming> But it wasn't written in C++!
[14:29]<+camerongray> lol!
[14:29]<+camerongray> Theirs wasn't either
[14:29]<+camerongray> Literally just javascript
[14:29]<@BC_Programming> no doubt written in a C/C++ style
[14:30]<+camerongray> I think they had tried to do a C++ backend but couldn't make it work. nor get the EC2 server running
[14:31]<+camerongray> The actual title was "Build something cool using AWS"
[14:31]<+camerongray> Not "Build a jQuery animation and run it locally
[14:32]<+camerongray> And then have to transfer your project to the uni machine for demo because you can't work a VGA cable
[14:33]<@BC_Programming> What's AWS
[14:33]<@BC_Programming> Amazon web services?
[14:33]<@BC_Programming> WS=Web services I guess
[14:33]<+camerongray> YEah
[14:33]<+camerongray> Hackathon was sponsored by Amazon Development Center Scotland
[14:33]<@BC_Programming> cool
[14:34]<+camerongray> Turns out that's where most of the stuff that predicts other products you may like is done!
[14:34]<+camerongray> New sendr.io uses Amazon s3 for storage but the app is hosted on my box to save money
[14:34]<+camerongray> If it gets big enough though we'll move entirely to AWS
[14:43]<+camerongray> Getting on well with it - Won't be too long until it's done!
[14:44]<@BC_Programming> oh well this makes sense Bukkit. Makes total sense. Apparently a Horse is not an instanceof a Horse
[14:44]<+camerongray> hehehe
[14:44]<@BC_Programming> if a Horse doesn't implement a Horse interface then I'm at a loss
[14:45]<+camerongray> BC_Programming: Sneak peak of sendr!
[14:45]<+camerongray> http://sendr-dev.s3.amazonaws.com/2e0c11a7c913bb642b102e28206a5f996f6b5e0f7a229b529c34ca3423874af7eca38b9bc4a3fed60b5ab5148982e7c6/snapshot10.png?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJYPCYCJTGOSO65PQ&Expires=1372801516&Signature=VtC6%2FLSMp3L%2BNlW9eWLfSBkSICA%3D
[14:46]<@BC_Programming> HAH! you have revealed your secret url
[14:46]<+camerongray> lol
[14:46]<+camerongray> That's a single use link
[14:46]<+camerongray> Oh
[14:46]<+camerongray> Try to go to it :P
[14:46]<@BC_Programming> you win this round
[14:47]<+camerongray> hehehe
[14:48]<+camerongray> Soon though
[14:48]<+camerongray> Even if I have used "1.85MB of 1MB"
[14:48]<@Calum> ok, I need to head off, but I want to leave you with this gem of a post first
[14:48]<@Calum> http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,138554.msg884000.html#msg884000
[14:49]<+camerongray> he actually makes no sense!
[14:49]<@Calum> I'm tempted to give him a warning for that
[14:49]<+camerongray> You should :P
[14:49]<@Calum> He does have warnings for "posting nonsense"
[14:49]<+camerongray> He keeps commenting on posts making no sense and causing confusion
[14:50]<@Calum> maybe tomorrow I will
[14:50]<+camerongray> Like someone's latency got higher - "Internet usage is growing so fast, expect more latency and loss of data. "
[14:50]<@Calum> he's of very little use to be honest, I understand he's old and all that but seriously...most of what he posts is pure nonsense
[14:50]<+camerongray> Not, ya know, possibly an ISP issue
[14:51]<@Calum> yeah I saw that one
[14:51]<@Calum> ah well
[14:51]<+camerongray> Yeah
[14:51]<+camerongray> Same with gat_man
[14:51]<+camerongray> But old doesn't mean rambling :P
[14:51]<@Calum> heh
[14:51]<+camerongray> Jacky isn't much younger than Gat_man and makes perfect sense
[14:52]<@Calum> yeah I'm not saying anyone older than X automatically starts posting nonsense
[14:52]<@Calum> just that some people have said "oh, he's just old" about geek-9pm, like it's an excuse
[14:52]<+camerongray> Yeah
[14:52]<@Mulreay> I'm getting to that age now fudlyupps
[14:53]<+camerongray> lol
[14:53]<@Calum> I have no issue with how old or young someone is as long as they make sense
[14:53]<+camerongray> It's like gat_man implying that he uses XP because he's old!
[14:53]<+camerongray> jacky uses 7!
[14:53]<@Calum> heh
[14:53]<+camerongray> My Granny who is 78 or something wants to get a new machine
[14:53]<+camerongray> And she hates chages!
[14:54]<@BC_Programming> gat_man is quite a computer illiterate fool with Dunning Kruger
[14:54]<+camerongray> yeah
[14:54]<@BC_Programming> Geek-9pm is simply confusing
[14:54]<@Mulreay> What was that other lad called the one that couldn't string a sentence together
[14:54]<@Mulreay> Banned now
[14:55]<@Calum> squall?
[14:55]<@Mulreay> ahh yeah
[14:55]<@Calum> he's now known as ryuk
[14:55]<@Calum> still posting, still exactly the same
[14:55]<@BC_Programming> Except now more people ignore him
[14:55]<@Calum> recognised the old phrases right away "an such"
[14:56]<@BC_Programming> though Geek-9pm often responds, making for an... interesting... combination
[14:56]<@Calum> heh yeah he doesn't get as much of a response as he used to
[14:56]<@Calum> If we could set those two up on a private forum, just imagine....
[14:56]<+camerongray> Ahh! Never knew that was the same person
[14:56]<+camerongray> I remember squall though!
[14:56]<@BC_Programming> I remember a topic called something like "what's that in the sky bat PC"
[14:57]<@Calum> haha yeah the batman pc
[14:57]<@BC_Programming> and then he's talk about it in unrelated threads
[14:57]<@BC_Programming> "the batman PC"
[14:57]<@Calum> I kind of liked squall, in a weird way
[14:57]<@BC_Programming> as if everybody knew
[14:57]<@Calum> he amused me
[14:57]<@BC_Programming> like "I installed it on batman"
[14:57]<@BC_Programming> and everybody is going "wait... what?"
[14:58]<+camerongray> lol, what's batman? A machine name?
[14:58]<@BC_Programming> I think the PC is one of those themed machines or something
[14:58]<@Calum> I often wonder how old he is and what's wrong with him. Do you remember how him and ivy used to talk about random unrelated stuff on every thread, like there was some conversation going that only they could see?
[14:58]<@Mulreay> 'Congratulations you are in the top 10% of the world for perfectly killing animals' in Assassin's Creed 3... not sure if I should be proud of that or worried that I spend a LOT of time killing the local wildlife.
[14:58]<@Calum> hah
[14:59]<+camerongray> All my machines have names but I don't use them when referring to them!
[14:59]<@BC_Programming> OK seriously bukkit if I have a horse entity it should be a Horse. "horse instanceof Horse" returning false is just stupid
[14:59]<+camerongray> I wouldn't say "Today I opened an SSH session on Dylan to run a script on Zebedee"
[14:59]<+camerongray> Yeah... there's a trend for our work machines :P
[15:01]<+camerongray> Some people are so paranoid: http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,138570.0.html
[15:01]<@Calum> http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,138554.msg884006.html#msg884006
[15:02]<+camerongray> lol!
[15:03]<@BC_Programming> bahaha
[15:03]<+camerongray> Can I reply to this despite it being in malrware? http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,137321.msg881682.html#msg881682
[15:03]<+camerongray> Or you can I suppose
[15:03]<@Calum> *shrugs*
[15:03]<@BC_Programming> what is the eye?
[15:03]<@Mulreay> The 'all seeing eye'
[15:04]<@BC_Programming> never mind I guess I'll google it
[15:04]<+camerongray> A feature in IE10 where there is an eye button that shows the content of a password field
[15:04]<+camerongray> Very useful
[15:04]<@BC_Programming> ahh
[15:04]<+camerongray> I made a chrome extension that does the same thing but it's buggy
[15:04]<@BC_Programming> see that's what I was thinking
[15:04]<@Calum> reply to it if you want Cameron, can't see anyone having an issue with it
[15:05]<@Calum> if they do then I'll move it to software or browsers
[15:05]<+camerongray> Cool
[15:05]<@Calum> not a malware problem
[15:05]<+camerongray> Want to move it first?
[15:05]<+camerongray> Might be better
[15:05]<@Calum> done
[15:05]<+camerongray> nice!
[15:06]<@Calum> hm I'm not sure why when I move posts, I don't leave a redirect
[15:07]<@Calum> ah never mind, I was doing it from the quick moderation checkbox, because I'm an idiot and I couldn't find the way to do it from within the thread
[15:07]<@Calum> oh well, it has no redirect, better luck next time heh
[15:08]<@BC_Programming> OMG I just remembered that azzaboi kid
[15:08]<@BC_Programming> good times arguing with that idiot
[15:08]<@Calum> I seem to remember the name...remind me?
[15:08]<@BC_Programming> convinced that XP was the best OS
[15:08]<@BC_Programming> (sound familiar)
[15:09]<@BC_Programming> tries to say that there was a DX10/11 port that worked on XP
[15:09]<@Calum> ohhh that guy
[15:09]<@BC_Programming> I of course took it apart... and I wrote a blog post on it
[15:09]<@BC_Programming> http://bc-programming.com/blogs/2010/12/directx-10-windows-xp-clever-circumvention-nonsense/
[15:09]<@Calum> hah he has some warnings too
[15:10]<@Calum> "Spreading false information" and "Posting advice in Malware Forum and stating that he knows he's not supposed to."
[15:10]<@BC_Programming> from what I can tell the alleged DX10 on XP thing is simply a registry hack that makes DXdiag say you have version 10/11 installed
[15:10]<+camerongray> And this one - http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,138532.msg883869.html#msg883869
[15:11]<@Calum> you know what, tomorrow I'm going to finish updating the graphics card FAQ, then start giving geek some warnings for making no sense at all
[15:11]<@Calum> I'm sick of him
[15:11]<+camerongray> Nice!
[15:11]<+camerongray> Yeah
[15:11]<@BC_Programming> I think everybody is
[15:11]<@Calum> he has several threads about him in the moderator forum
[15:12]<+camerongray> Hearing the phone through a modem is perfectly normal but if someone hadn't seen that thread that person could be practically terrified to use their phone depending on how they feel
[15:12]<+camerongray> Any about me? :P
[15:12]<@Calum> just start reporting his posts when they're particularly stupid, to draw the other mods attention to it
[15:12]<@Calum> no heh
[15:12]<+camerongray> lol
[15:13]<@Calum> who's harry?
[15:13]<@Calum> name rings a bell but I can't place him
[15:13]<+camerongray> harry48 afik
[15:13]<@Calum> sounds familiar
[15:13]<+camerongray> Oh, he has a phto of his wandering tanbark now
[15:14]<@Calum> FFS
[15:15]<@Calum> there are no words for him
[15:18]<+camerongray> lol
[15:20]<@Calum> right I need to head off for tonight...tomorrow I'll do something about him, and his tanbark, wandering or not
[15:20]<@Mulreay> later Calum
[15:20]<@Calum> night all
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[15:23]<+camerongray> HELP ME!
[15:23]<+camerongray> My tanbark dun wandered
[15:23]<+camerongray> http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=263239
[15:44]<@Mulreay> Two hydrogen atoms walk into a bar. One says, I think Ive lost an electron. The other says, Are you sure? The first replies, Yes, Im positive.
[15:45]<+pottsi> hahah
[15:49]<+camerongray> tehehe
[16:06]<+camerongray> hey pottsi
[16:07]<+pottsi> ohai
[16:24]<+camerongray> pottsi: You there?
[16:24]<+pottsi> sure, sup?
[16:26]<+camerongray> trying to run a command on a UNIX machine at work so I can disconnect and leave it running (don't have screen installed) - I'm running "nohup perl script.pl 'arg1' 'arg2' 'arg3' > output.txt &" but when I press enter after running this is says [4]+ Stopped <command here>
[16:27]<+pottsi> hmm
[16:27]<+pottsi> sorry explain abit more please
[16:28]<+camerongray> It's a perl script that takes ages to run (like several hours) - I basically need to start it then be able to disconnect my SSH session and leave it running
[16:28]<+camerongray> Screen is not installed and I don't have rights to install it
[16:30]<+pottsi> o_O
[16:30]<+pottsi> thats weird
[16:30]<@BC_Programming> could you schedule a cron task?
[16:30]<@BC_Programming> like to run right away?
[16:30]<+pottsi> sure
[16:30]<+pottsi> but
[16:31]<+pottsi> umm
[16:31]<+pottsi> it wouldn't keep it running if it exits?
[16:31]<+pottsi> it would close and ostart a new session i would think
[16:32]<@BC_Programming> but doesn't cron run it separately, I mean you schedule the task to start maybe in a few seconds, then a few seconds later it starts the task separately from the logged in shell
[16:32]<+pottsi> i'd have to play with that to confirm
[16:33]<+pottsi> you have access to cron camerongray?
[16:33]<+camerongray> not that I know of
[16:33]<+pottsi> crontab -e
[16:33]<+pottsi> also got a link to this perl script?
[16:33]<+camerongray> nvm - Found the script is asking for a password which I haven't been told :P
[16:33]<+pottsi> xD
[16:33]<+camerongray> Think it needs root
[16:52]<@Mulreay> I came into this world kicking and screaming whilst covered in someone elses blood, I have no problems going out the same way.
[16:59]<@BC_Programming> Ahh nice cool strawberries on a hot day
[16:59]<+camerongray> aww
[16:59]<@BC_Programming> Now I just need some whip cream and a bueatiful woman
[16:59]<@BC_Programming> actually, forget the strawberries
[16:59]<+camerongray> tehehee
[17:00]<@BC_Programming> lol
[17:02]<@BC_Programming> oooh! Cube World appears to have been released
[17:02]<@BC_Programming> but then they had to shut down their store due to traffic lol
[17:48]<@BC_Programming> It's now a race between wether cube worlds store will be available before it becomes available through "other means"
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[18:10]<@BC_Programming> hmm odd, no way to know the destination address for my MVP Award package through the shipping information
[21:17]<@BC_Programming> hmm
[21:17]<@BC_Programming> GPU idling at 83c
[21:17]<@BC_Programming> CPU at ~74(c)
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