Session Start: Mon May 13 00:00:00 2013 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[09:00]<@jacky> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHkZFWFifSE
[09:00]<@jacky> 
[09:01]<@jacky> BC_Programming: you all having a big sale on "ground beef" over there?
[09:01]<@jacky> <g>
[09:01]<@jacky> 
[09:01]<+camerongray> lol
[09:01]<@jacky> camerongray: Hello
[09:02]<+camerongray> Chris Hadfield comes home today :(
[09:02]<@jacky> who's that?
[09:03]<+camerongray> Coolest guy ever - On the space station making videos
[09:03]<@jacky> guitar?
[09:03]<@jacky> I read something....
[09:03]<+camerongray> yeah
[09:03]<+camerongray> And on Twitter
[09:03]<+camerongray> http://www.youtube.com/user/canadianspaceagency/videos?view=0
[09:03]<+camerongray> Check some of these out!
[09:04]<@jacky> wow... that's a lot
[09:04]<+camerongray> Yeah
[09:05]<+camerongray> Saw a great comment on one of his videos "I wonder how many mics he'll drop in future interviews" - In all his videos he just lests go and it floats :P
[09:06]<@jacky> heh
[09:06]<+camerongray> You should see some of the photos he tweets - http://t.co/KikTJ5wmsg
[09:08]<@jacky> where's he from?
[09:08]<+camerongray> Canada
[09:08]<@jacky> ah.. somethign did say that. sorry
[09:08]<+camerongray> Ontario
[09:46]<@jacky> see you later ....
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[10:18]<+camerongray> I need to get some remote way to turn on my HTPC, Nothing decent on TV but can't be bothered getting up to turn it on :P
[10:20]<+Tux2> camerongray: wol?
[10:20]<+camerongray> Yeah
[10:20]<+camerongray> Or a garden cane :P - It's only like 2m away :P
[10:20]<+Tux2> lol
[10:23]<+camerongray> Bit the bullet and turned it on :P
[10:23]<+camerongray> Now to find something semi-decent on that :P
[10:24]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, and hey Tux2:P
[10:25]<+camerongray> Ahh, here we go "You've been framed" - Funny home videos
[10:26]<+Tux2> lol, hi camerongray
[10:27]<@BC_Programming> http://james-iry.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.html
[10:28]<+camerongray> Yeah, my friend found that yesterday
[10:28]<@BC_Programming> ooh that must be why I have the tab open, I think you RT that
[10:28]<+camerongray> Programmable Hyperlinked Pasta (PHP)
[10:28]<+camerongray> lol, yeah
[10:32]<@BC_Programming> "1965 - Kemeny and Kurtz go to 1964." lol
[10:32]<+camerongray> hahaha!
[10:33]<@BC_Programming> "Dennis Ritchie invents a powerful gun that shoots both forward and backward simultaneously. Not satisfied with the number of deaths and permanent maimings from that invention he invents C and Unix"
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[12:28]<@Mulreay> I may be in and out for 5mins whilst I'm testing a script.. apologies in advance for channel flooding
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[12:29]<@Mulreay> OK it works, sorry about that
[12:29]<@BC_Programming> I cna never forgive you
[12:29]<@BC_Programming> :P
[12:29]<@Mulreay> heh
[12:30]<@Mulreay> brb
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[12:36]<@BC_Programming> what are you testing anyways
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[12:37]<@Mulreay> Just a script I was writing to nickserv all my nicks on join so I don't have to worry about the auto-remove feature for idle nicks
[12:37]<@BC_Programming> ahhh
[12:38]<@Mulreay> Hardly your level of programming but it keeps me interested in atleast 'a' form of kinda programming
[12:40]<@BC_Programming> I've been working in Java too much
[12:40]<@BC_Programming> I think I may have mentally atrophied
[12:40]<@Mulreay> MC?
[12:40]<@BC_Programming> yeah my plugins and GriefPrevention as well
[12:41]<@BC_Programming> made a bunch of stuff in GriefPrevention more configurable and also made a separate plugin that works with GP to let you use Hoppers with EnderChests in a claim
[12:41]<@Mulreay> nice
[12:42]<@BC_Programming> I had a testimonial in a comment about that one... "I hope other people discover this plugin. If you're into redstone and automation like me, there is nothing more awesome than this plugin!"
[12:42]<@Mulreay> cool, always nice to get friendly feedback
[12:43]<@BC_Programming> I've had some of both
[12:43]<@BC_Programming> one guy on GP just said "I get a crash using a stick to investigate a claim"
[12:44]<@BC_Programming> and he was using the 1.5.1 version on 1.5.2, and since he provided little else I just said that it wasn't ground-breaking that the 1.5.1 plugin didn't work with 1.5.2
[12:44]<@BC_Programming> tried to flip out and say that I was arrogant and obviously frustrated (what)?
[12:45]<@BC_Programming> so I explained that unless he provides stack traces and actual information on his problem, I can't investigate, and therefore his feedback is unactionable and therefore useless... didn't get a response to that one
[12:45]<@Mulreay> heh, proper put down
[12:50]<@BC_Programming> I do rather want the stack trace anyway, so I can determine the cause of the issue and see if it's in the current versions
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[12:58]<+camerongray> hey ChanbotVII
[12:58]<@Mulreay> Well if camerongray doesn't see that Calum is here there will be hell to pay.. wont hear the last of it I swear
[12:58]<+camerongray> *facepalm*
[12:58]<+camerongray> Hey Calum
[12:58]<@Calum> haha
[12:58]<@Calum> Hey guys
[12:58]<@BC_Programming> dodged a bullet there camerongray
[12:59]<@Mulreay> hey Calum and camerongray
[12:59]<@Calum> Hey Mulreay, camerongray, BC, and ChanbotVII being as we're now talking to bots :)
[13:00]<+camerongray> hahaha
[13:00]<@BC_Programming> haha I missed that one
[13:00]<+camerongray> How's everything?
[13:00]<@Calum> Going good thanks, yourself?
[13:02] * @BC_Programming was Slain by Skeleton
[13:02]<@BC_Programming> AHH! they followed me into IRC
[13:02]<@Mulreay> lol
[13:03]<+camerongray> Good thanks
[13:03]<@Calum> I was randomly reading through some old threads on the CH forum earlier, that was a blast from the past
[13:03]<+camerongray> Yeah
[13:04]<+camerongray> Turns out Mulreay was the first ever person I "helped"
[13:04]<@Calum> Found the little rant I had when the original chanbot, Oz, got demoted lol
[13:04]<@Mulreay> Yeah, way back when
[13:04]<@Calum> Oh really?
[13:04]<@BC_Programming> My condolences
[13:05]<@BC_Programming> wasn't that because there were a bunch of Ops that thought of it more as a game?
[13:06]<@BC_Programming> setting/removing modes... demoting other ops for no reason... adding new ones... etc? I can't remember, also I was never much for #computerhope
[13:06]<+camerongray> Any idea what to do when you mouth is full of biscuit and you're having a coughing fit, because that's what's happening to me now :P
[13:06]<@BC_Programming> call 911
[13:06]<+camerongray> lol
[13:06]<@BC_Programming> or... 999?
[13:06]<@BC_Programming> whatever it is
[13:06]<+camerongray> Yeah 999
[13:06]<+camerongray> or 112
[13:06]<@BC_Programming> "what is the emergency?"
[13:06]<@Mulreay> He would have a long wait dialing 911
[13:06]<@Calum> Yep, that's the one. I think the main thing was when "some people" thought de-oping Oz would be hilarious, but didn't find it so funny when Oz de-oped them ;)
[13:06]<@BC_Programming> "mkmhmmmfg bssfhgff"
[13:06]<@BC_Programming> haha!
[13:06]<+camerongray> lol
[13:07]<+camerongray> Calum: You need to hang out in CH IRC - Show them who's boss
[13:07]<+camerongray> they keep throwing hissy fits at me when I correct them
[13:07]<@Calum> I'm there right now, biding my time
[13:07]<+camerongray> Ahh
[13:07]<@BC_Programming> naw lostcoast will just tell him about how Geforce is a "brand" of Nvidia cards...
[13:07]<+camerongray> Oh yeah
[13:07]<@Calum> Anyone remember Raptor's personal text when he returned one time? "I have been built to exceed trolling specifications" - seems apt.
[13:07]<@BC_Programming> or how they don't have Beta Drivers.... or how Reference cards are a Myth...
[13:07]<+camerongray> And you can't say that you need drivers for say a 560ti, You need drivers for an "ASUS GeForce 560ti DirectCU II"
[13:08]<+camerongray> Because, I mean an unbranded card doesn't exist
[13:08]<+camerongray> Wait, who was it that said video cards had to be branded by law?
[13:08]<@Calum> Reference cards are a myth? wut?
[13:08]<@Calum> WUT??
[13:08]<@BC_Programming> that was LC as well
[13:08]<+camerongray> Ahh
[13:08]<+camerongray> Calum: You will have fun!
[13:08]<@Calum> Sounds like good entertainment
[13:09]<@BC_Programming> Calum: yes this is why I stopped idling there using a secret, different hostmask'd alt
[13:09]<@BC_Programming> brain kerplosions imminent
[13:09]<+camerongray> Then patio went ape at me when I told him that Windows 7 Home Premium included Aero - A user was asking how to enable it and he's like "Oh, they don't have it"
[13:09]<@BC_Programming> bahaha... I referenced that in the thread on it didn't I?
[13:09]<+camerongray> Yep
[13:09]<@BC_Programming> wonder if Patio caught that one
[13:09]<+camerongray> I love how they were all going mad at me and you all come on and back me up :P
[13:10]<+camerongray> I can now talk sensibly but you have to be careful
[13:10]<@Calum> I heard you got banned Cameron?
[13:10]<+camerongray> Yeah
[13:10]<@Mulreay> I like how there 'minions' pop in and out of here every so often to 'spy' who is about
[13:10]<@Calum> for helping out?
[13:10]<@BC_Programming> Mulreay: you noticed that too huh
[13:10]<+camerongray> Someone had the same rebooting fault as me but had been told to go to the forum
[13:10]<+camerongray> I dared to ignore lostcoast's ranting to help
[13:11]<+camerongray> But then again, BIOS updates are bad
[13:11]<@Calum> ah, that still happens? The spying thing?
[13:11]<@BC_Programming> oh wait did Jacky change the bot? I remember last time db appeared chanbot said something lol
[13:11]<@Calum> BIOS updates are bad? Is he another person that's terrified of them?
[13:11]<+camerongray> But jacky has had fun, ChanbotVII now responds with things like "How long will you be here today"
[13:11]<@BC_Programming> yeah that was it lol
[13:11]<@Calum> haha
[13:11]<@BC_Programming> he parted immediately lol
[13:12]<+camerongray> I also got in trouble for saying to someone who was speccing a PC that since they have a K CPU they may want a z77 board so they can overclock if they wish
[13:12]<@BC_Programming> yeah apparently overclocking is a "legal gray area"
[13:12]<@Calum> really? Because buying a K cpu to not overclock it makes perfect sense....
[13:12]<@BC_Programming> though I think that is only if you lack gray matter
[13:12]<@Mulreay> Overclock is a swear word in that channel apparently
[13:12]<@Calum> A legal grey area? Yeah I heard Intel sues people who overclock
[13:12]<@Calum> Happened me me about 1000561 times
[13:12]<+camerongray> Then they were like, we don't allow overclocking and everyone starts "Oh it;s bad, it works fine without" and I say "But it's there if they want it for future potential" and then they are all like "There's no such thing as a futureproof PC"
[13:12]<@Calum> *to me
[13:13]<+camerongray> Can be amusing
[13:13]<@Calum> so is LC still the sole op or are there more now?
[13:13]<+camerongray> Yeah, loads of Hops though
[13:14]<+camerongray> I'll try to find the log I call "Lostcoast acts like a little puppy desperate for attention"
[13:14]<@BC_Programming> I like when they hop or op themselves
[13:14]<@Calum> wow. All at his discretion I assume?
[13:14]<@BC_Programming> like a puffer fish or something
[13:14]<@Calum> haha
[13:14]<+camerongray> Here we go: http://pastebin.com/uepdFScT
[13:15]<+camerongray> Craig kinda knows his networking :P
[13:15]<@BC_Programming> "how dare you question my information" (set's mode to +o) REPENT OR BE SMITED
[13:15]<@Calum> hah
[13:15]<@Calum> LC immediately questioning everyone, I love it
[13:15]<+camerongray> Yeah
[13:15]<+camerongray> You should just sit and correct people, great fun
[13:16]<@BC_Programming> heh I'm tempted to join and wait for somebody to say "so you think you know more than me do you"
[13:16]<+camerongray> And mention overclocking
[13:16]<@Calum> I may just do that, work is slow sometimes so there's plenty of opportunity to troll, I mean help
[13:16]<@BC_Programming> and I can say "of course not".... "I know I do"
[13:16]<+camerongray> lol!
[13:16]<@BC_Programming> shame they don't allow programming questions
[13:16]<@BC_Programming> I'd sure love to see LC try to help with C# and question ME on that one
[13:16]<@Calum> hah yeah
[13:16]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, then there was the first real issue I had was when I said that I need to get more RAM for my server, 12gb isn't enough
[13:17]<@BC_Programming> Oh I'm sorry LC which one of us has ah AWARD for C# work? Oh right me I forgot"
[13:17]<+camerongray> And they are all like "Why do you need more than 12gb, noone needs that, your server would work with 4gb"
[13:17]<+camerongray> This server runs around 7-8 virtual machines :P
[13:17]<@BC_Programming> especially if they use Home Premium since it doesn't have Aero
[13:17]<@Calum> facepalm
[13:17]<@BC_Programming> The sad thing is, a lot of the false information is so easy to refute with a simple google
[13:18]<@BC_Programming> I recall one of them saying at one point when a guest pointed that out "who are you going to believe, us, or Google"
[13:18]<@Calum> I look forward to discussing multi-CPU boards, preferably overclocked, with lots of RAM, RAMdrives, oh and SSDs, let's not forget those. I'm sure they have a (wrong) opinion on those?
[13:18]<+camerongray> And if I said "I wish I could have my server in the UK but the datacenters don't allow servers to pull as much current as mine does" you would understand :P
[13:18]<@Calum> re: data centres and power, I know right?? I tried to rent some rack space and they'll only give me something like .8a per unit?
[13:19]<@Calum> What's that all about...
[13:19]<+camerongray> I was finding 0.5a in my budget
[13:19]<+camerongray> Then db is like "Datacenters don't pull power from the grid, this is going over your head"
[13:19]<@BC_Programming> bahaha!
[13:19]<@Calum> no, they run on magical unicorn dust power normally#
[13:20]<+camerongray> Since I was like, server has a pair of 50w TBP CPUs which could alone do 100w and then 4x 7200rpm drives along with all the other stuff :P
[13:20]<+camerongray> Then there was then fact I need a lot of IPv4 addresses, of course noone needs more than 5 :P
[13:20]<@BC_Programming> funny story, Today I learned that some people with Masters Degrees in Computer Science can't right three lines of code to print numbers from 1 to 10
[13:20]<@BC_Programming> but they can spell "write"
[13:20]<+camerongray> When you have the potential for 10+ VMs
[13:21]<@Calum> yeah that's another pain, the place I was looking at I think they did something like 6 IPs per quarter rack, with like 4A of power or something, no good at all
[13:21]<+camerongray> yeah
[13:21]<@BC_Programming> I like how their only argument is always an appeal to authority... "I've worked in the industry X years...." etc
[13:21]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, you do networking now
[13:21]<+camerongray> I forgot :P
[13:21]<@Calum> I will counter that with "how many PCs have you built"
[13:21]<+camerongray> hahah!
[13:21]<@Calum> I do, but this was for personal use :)
[13:21]<@Calum> gave up on the project for now though
[13:21]<+camerongray> Ahh, if UK isn't important I'm with datashack
[13:21]<@Calum> I would need to ship the servers there though
[13:22]<@BC_Programming> it's weird when people ask for help relating to MC in the computerhope forum
[13:22]<+camerongray> They have been great, £35/mo for colo for a Dell DCS box (2x Quad Core Xeon, 12gb RAM, 4x 80gb) on a gigabit port with a /28 IPv4 block
[13:22]<@BC_Programming> it's like worlds colliding
[13:22]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[13:22]<@BC_Programming> everybody else is giving the generic advice
[13:23]<+camerongray> I bought mine and shipped it directly to them, it has KVM over IP so I could install the OS remotely
[13:23]<@BC_Programming> and I'm talking about specifics like "well, if you have version X.X.X, it works best when you set this configuration option in server.properties"...
[13:23]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, then the funny thing...
[13:23]<@Calum> Cameron - that's pretty good, in fact that's great! I was looking for somewhere to host 11 similar machines
[13:23]<+camerongray> Ahh, yeah
[13:24]<+camerongray> Just a pain with the location
[13:24]<+camerongray> Someone asks "What do you use this 'server' for" You know, the quotes to indicate it isn't a real server
[13:24]<+camerongray> And patio jumps in "Video games"
[13:24]<@Calum> yeah, shipping 11 1U servers is not gonna be cheap...I ended up deciding to rack them in my uncle's garage with a 3G dongle tethered to them, but shelved it for now. Might pick it up again in the future though
[13:24]<@Calum> pft
[13:24]<+camerongray> It hosts 1 minecraft server for here, most of the stuff is websites, web apps, email, DNS, database and other stuff
[13:25]<+camerongray> Nice! What did you plan on using them for?
[13:25]<@Calum> BOINC
[13:25]<+camerongray> Ahh, nice!
[13:25]<@Calum> I found a deal on 11 of them for £220
[13:26]<+camerongray> WOWOWOWOW!
[13:26]<@Calum> that was with dual dual cores and 2GB of RAM, but I can get 11 pairs of quads for £100
[13:26]<+camerongray> Ahh, nice!
[13:26]<@Calum> then extra RAM is like £4/GB
[13:26]<@Calum> can link you up if you like ;)
[13:26]<@BC_Programming> hmm bank finally closed my account lol
[13:26]<+camerongray> would be interesting to see :P
[13:26]<@Calum> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130893400254?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
[13:27]<+camerongray> wow, nice!
[13:27]<@Calum> the description says they don't see the HDDs, but I spoke to the company about it and they said it only happened after they wiped the drives so it's more likely a RAID config issue, nothing major
[13:27]<+camerongray> I really want to know what DB does, he acts like he does some crazy stuff for the government and is extremely seceret about everything
[13:27]<@Calum> also the drives are SAS but the board also has SATA ports so even if the SAS controller has had it on all of them which is unlikely, the SATA ports should be alright
[13:28]<+camerongray> And if anyone asks about a piece of hardware, he manages hundreds of them
[13:28]<+camerongray> Like the fact this huge entity he works for uses OCZ PSUs :P
[13:28]<@Calum> I'll have to follow the CH channel for a while then, and get to know them before I wade in
[13:29]<+camerongray> Because all companies use custom built PCs with consumer parts :P
[13:29]<@Calum> Oh, they do? Do they have adequate fire protection in place?
[13:29]<+camerongray> hahaha!
[13:30]<+camerongray> It's also funny since with this huge job, he has time to spend all day and night in CH
[13:31]<@Calum> heh
[13:31]<@Calum> he must be very important
[13:31]<@Calum> vital to the business even
[13:31]<@Calum> sorry "vital" to the "business"
[13:31]<@BC_Programming> probably a vestigial employee
[13:31]<+camerongray> lol
[13:32]<@BC_Programming> one of the people that pretends they are critical and has been there so long nobody questions it
[13:32]<+Tux2> lol
[13:32]<+camerongray> I googled his nick and found his name, no linkedin page or anything :P
[13:32]<@Calum> sounds familiar, we have a few of those
[13:32]<+Tux2> lol, at least I leave a nice trail of where I've been and what I've done
[13:32]<@BC_Programming> he must be a top secret IT person
[13:32]<@Calum> I'm not one of them I swear
[13:32]<+camerongray> lol
[13:32]<@BC_Programming> Double-O Dongle
[13:32]<@Calum> undercover agent
[13:33]<@Calum> bahahaha
[13:33]<+camerongray> hahaha
[13:33]<+Tux2> tee hee
[13:33]<@Calum> that's one of the best things I've heard in ages
[13:33]<@BC_Programming> heh
[13:33]<+camerongray> I'm careful about what I say about work but it's not like I can't say where I work or what I do (Without going into client specific stuff obv)
[13:33]<@Calum> pepsi just missed my screen
[13:33]<+Tux2> I should pop in and ask for help for my 32GB CentOS server with virtualized machines, trying to set up the new 32 IPs I got.
[13:33]<+camerongray> hahaha
[13:34]<+camerongray> I nearly poured Irn Bru through my router
[13:34]<@BC_Programming> Tux2: "go start->Control Panel..."
[13:34]<@BC_Programming> lol
[13:34]<+Tux2> lol
[13:34]<@Calum> Irn Bru, of course. The national drink of Scotland
[13:34]<+Tux2> I don't have a start button
[13:34]<+camerongray> Calum: Yep!
[13:34]<@BC_Programming> "oh we don't support Loonux
[13:34]<+camerongray> That and Whiskey, but whiskey is icky :P
[13:34]<@Calum> hah yep
[13:35]<@Calum> Last time I was in Scotland, let's just say it got a bit messy, and both were heavily involved
[13:35]<+Tux2> lol, or ask them for assistance for the IPMI interface and loading an OS remotely
[13:35]<+camerongray> hehehe, where did you go?
[13:35]<@Calum> Portpatrick, near Stranraer
[13:35]<+Tux2> And of course, now there are two conversations going on here now...
[13:35]<+camerongray> Ahh, never been
[13:36]<@Calum> that's going back some though...I haven't actually drank in, what....must be 3 and a half years?
[13:36]<+camerongray> lol, if this was CH you would kick Calum and I
[13:36]<@Calum> we were there in 2008
[13:36]<+camerongray> Ahh! I'm very sensible, never been dunk!
[13:36]<@Calum> oh no, confusion, how will we ever follow two conversations at once
[13:36]<@BC_Programming> dunk?
[13:36]<+camerongray> or boring
[13:36]<@BC_Programming> you sure about that
[13:36] * +Tux2 kicks camerongray (Stay on topic!)
[13:36]<+camerongray> har!
[13:36]<@Calum> nah, sensible...drinking is bad, mkay
[13:36]<+camerongray> lol
[13:37]<@Calum> I would rather have not drunk at all to be fair
[13:37]<+camerongray> Yeah
[13:37]<+camerongray> At most I'll have 1 pint :P
[13:37]<@Calum> I only ever drank while underage as well...
[13:37]<@Calum> not sure what that says about me
[13:37]<+camerongray> Like at work when the internet went down "Right, to the pub"
[13:37]<@Calum> hah
[13:37]<+camerongray> Which happened
[13:37]<+camerongray> We were responsible though, I pinged the office from my phone so we knew when it was time to go back
[13:38]<+Tux2> lol, it's funny that this invention that hasn't even been around for over 50 years has become so ingrained that businesses can't live without it now
[13:38]<@Calum> haha
[13:38]<+camerongray> lol, our phones are VOIP too so even they stop
[13:38]<@BC_Programming> well it's more like they just have to hire different people now
[13:38]<@BC_Programming> before they hired people to handle all the data... now they have to hire people to handle the computers that handle the data lol
[13:38]<+camerongray> One day we were like a street away from a massive power cut
[13:38]<+Tux2> lol
[13:39]<+camerongray> So lucky, I was begging the samba server to reach a year uptime
[13:39]<@Calum> a year uptime...I can dream
[13:39]<+Tux2> You know what? If you really want to spy on CH, all I have to do is bug TuxReminder
[13:39]<+camerongray> Shows that Dell use decent PSUs, lights went off for a noticable time, at least half a second I'd say, nothing died in the office!
[13:39]<@Calum> Dell PSUs are decent, especially in their servers
[13:40]<@BC_Programming> Tux2: have TuxReminder log channels, lol
[13:40]<@Calum> Usually Delta OEM if I remember right
[13:40]<+Tux2> lol, right? It has a logging module
[13:40]<+Tux2> I'd just have to add it
[13:40]<+camerongray> Yeah, this was a poweredge (T105 I think) and a bunch of Optiplex 980s
[13:41]<@Calum> Most of their desktop PSUs are Delta as well I think, the desktop stuff is still decent but gets a bad rep because they're not overspecced so people whine because their perfectly adequate PSU won't handle the newest graphics card
[13:41]<@Calum> (which the system didn't come with)
[13:41]<+camerongray> Yeah
[13:41]<@Calum> (and may or may not be reference/mythical)
[13:41]<@BC_Programming> hmm that's a weird omission, I thought I could make a .NET program multi-target different platforms, so was going to try to make the DataLayer library of my JobClock thing work on Windows Phone
[13:41]<@BC_Programming> but can't figure out how to multitarget
[13:42]<+camerongray> These are little SFF things - They have AMD video cards but just for dual head (DMS 59)
[13:42]<@Calum> ah yeah
[13:42]<+camerongray> I use my laptop though
[13:42]<@Calum> we run all HP stuff at my place
[13:42]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah, uni are both HP and Dell
[13:42]<+camerongray> Older though, most stuff is Dell 745, 755, HP Core 2 Duo or the newer HP i5 2400
[13:43]<+camerongray> Still pretty tough
[13:43]<@Calum> our desktops are all C2D, laptops are mostly i3 nowadays but there are still some C2Ds knocking around due for replacement
[13:43]<+camerongray> Sat in the lab when it was raining, water was leaking in on top of this HP (Thing was sitting in a puddle), still running to this day
[13:43]<@Calum> hah nice
[13:43]<+camerongray> This is on the 5th floor of an 8 floor building :P
[13:43]<@Calum> lol
[13:44]<@Calum> do you use Dell/HP printers as well?
[13:44]<+camerongray> It's literally falling down - Some rooms have "Danger Asbesdos" stuck on the walls
[13:44]<+camerongray> HP
[13:44]<+camerongray> Dell at work
[13:44]<+camerongray> The printers troll you though :P
[13:44]<@Calum> Printers are the bane of my life right now
[13:44]<+camerongray> We had an amusing incident we still don't know what happened
[13:45]<@Calum> oh?
[13:45]<+camerongray> My friend was trying to be the computer society president...
[13:45]<+camerongray> As a joke I found a really drunken photo of her and put "Vote for Kimbo" on it with a picture of begging dogs and cats
[13:45]<+camerongray> My friend insisted we printed them
[13:46]<+camerongray> They showed as printing but never came out the printers we sent them to
[13:46]<+camerongray> No idea where these came out :P
[13:46]<@Calum> haha
[13:46]<+camerongray> She wasn't amused :P
[13:47]<@Calum> lol I bet
[13:54]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, watch out for the number of times people recommend registry boosters and driver finders, scary...
[13:55]<@Calum> facepalm, again
[13:56]<+camerongray> It's fun when you get into high performance stuff
[13:56]<+camerongray> You get both "You don't need that" and way overpowered PSUs
[13:56]<@Calum> odd how that often goes together
[13:56]<+camerongray> yeah
[13:56]<@Calum> people recommending a 1000W PSU and a GTX 650
[13:57]<@Calum> instead of a 650W and a GTX670
[13:57]<+camerongray> And someone finds a Novatech laptop and are told "Oh, that's an off-brand, don't touch that"
[13:57]<@Calum> yes, because it's not a rebadged Clevo (assuming it is, I'm not familiar with what OEMs Novatech use)
[13:57]<+camerongray> Yeah, it was
[13:58]<@Calum> Well, Clevo aren't a big manufacturer, not like they OEM for practically every other laptop seller for some models, you know?
[13:58]<+camerongray> lol!
[13:58]<+camerongray> Looked great too, I think it was £499, i5, Nvidia 640m, 14" and really thin
[13:58]<@Calum> People need to elarn to research
[13:58]<@Calum> not bad
[13:58]<+camerongray> And USB 3.0 .etc
[13:59]<+camerongray> Oh and when someone wants a PC for very basic games and are told "Intel HD are terrible graphics"
[13:59]<+camerongray> They aren't great but are pretty good for most stuff
[13:59]<@Calum> back in 2009 sure
[13:59]<+camerongray> Yeah, my laptop is HD 4000 - runs great
[14:00]<@Calum> Yeah, the graphics from first gen i3 and onwards are pretty good
[14:00]<@Calum> the HD4000 in particular is excellent for integrated graphics
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[14:00]<+camerongray> I remeber playing Minecraft on my x220 (HD 3000) or might have even been my x201 (i5 520m) and it ran pretty well
[14:00]<@Calum> yeah, HD2000 and up are alright for basic gaming
[14:01]<+camerongray> ooh, big important DB has a phone call :P
[14:01]<@Calum> heck, I gamed for a while on an AMD HD5450 which isn't far above a HD4000
[14:01]<jamer> Hey everyone
[14:01]<@Calum> "double-0-douche calling double-0-dongle, come in"
[14:01]<+camerongray> hahaha
[14:02]<+camerongray> Or he's going to the toilet :P
[14:02]<+camerongray> Hey Calum
[14:02]<@Calum> sorry for stealing your joke BC, couldn't resist
[14:02]<+camerongray> grr
[14:02]<@Calum> haha
[14:02]<@Calum> smooth
[14:02]<+camerongray> Hey jamer :P
[14:02]<@Calum> hey jamer
[14:02]<+camerongray> Presseed tab before "j" - Picks up the last tname
[14:02]<+camerongray> name*
[14:03]<jamer> So I decided to switch from lucifer to jamer cause I feel changed
[14:03]<@Calum> I hate using this webclient, want to go back to my hilariously named client instead...just can't be bothered installing it because I won't be using this laptop much longer
[14:03]<+camerongray> What client was that?
[14:03]<@Calum> ClicksAndWhistles
[14:04]<+camerongray> ahh :P
[14:04]<@Calum> Funny name but it's decent
[14:04]<@Calum> nice and lightweight, does most things I needed
[14:04]<@Calum> only thing I missed was it highlighting/alerting when someone said my name
[14:04]<+camerongray> Yeah, I use Quassel, the actual IRC bit is on a remote server so I can always be online
[14:05]<@Calum> KVIRC did a system tray popup for that which was nice, can't remember why I stopped using that
[14:05]<+camerongray> And be connected on multiple devices at the same time, at the moment I'm typing on my laptop but my desktop is still online.
[14:05]<@Calum> Ah I see, interesting
[14:05]<@Calum> hm sounds good
[14:05]<@Calum> ever find a decent Android IRC client?
[14:05]<jamer> I use androirc
[14:06]<@Calum> That's what I tried but I found it really buggy...was a while ago though
[14:06]<jamer> Its better now
[14:06]<@Calum> maybe I'll give it another shot then
[14:06]<+camerongray> Quassel has an android one too but needs the remote cor
[14:06]<+camerongray> core*
[14:07]<jamer> Calum im currently on my phone atm
[14:07]<@Calum> hm ok, I'll look into them both
[14:07]<+camerongray> All it needs is a linux box with a postgres database, I use a £1.50/mo VPS
[14:07]<@Calum> any reason why it wouldn't work on a VM?
[14:08]<+camerongray> Nope :P
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[14:08]<@Calum> Sweet, my PC will be on 24/7 anyway so I'll do that
[14:08]<+camerongray> Mine is sort of in a VM anyway
[14:08]<@Calum> yeah, sorry, I just meant a VM on my PC
[14:08]<+camerongray> You can also query the database to get logs
[14:08]<+camerongray> Yeah, should work fine
[14:08]<@Calum> cool
[14:11]<+camerongray> I'm going to miss Chris Hadfield :(
[14:11]<@BC_Programming> http://www.bc-programming.com/music/tsh.mp3
[14:11]<@BC_Programming> WEEE
[14:11]<+camerongray> Just sent his last tweet from the ISS
[14:11]<@BC_Programming> needs to be louder
[14:11]<+camerongray> lol
[14:11]<@Calum> ok guys, I'm off for tonight
[14:11]<@BC_Programming> darn sound card made it all crackly :(
[14:11]<+camerongray> Cool, cya
[14:12]<+camerongray> Come back soon :P
[14:12]<@Calum> catch you later, I'll try and hang around more :)
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[14:13]<@Mulreay> lol https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=367504710036913&set=a.203684899752229.43806.203679529752766&type=1&theater
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[14:14]<@BC_Programming> "What's that boy? You want to get neutered?"
[14:14]<+camerongray> bahaha!
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[14:40]<@BC_Programming> hmm
[14:41]<@BC_Programming> well so much for that idea
[14:41]<@BC_Programming> a Windows Phone App cannot use SQL at all, I'd have to do something stupid and write an entire PHP page designed to run through Apache just to access the data properly
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[14:59]<+Craig> What do you think BC, cause since the phones will be online anyway, we could do it with a webpage.
[15:00]<@BC_Programming> Yeah I'm not rewriting the entire bloody application in PHP
[15:00]<@BC_Programming> may as well just start it from scratch
[15:00]<+Craig> Oh, thats what you mean?
[15:00]<+Craig> Sorry, that would be a bit much
[15:00]<@BC_Programming> Yes. I literally cannot use ANY of the code I have to get it working on WP8...at the very least I was thinking I might be able to rewrite the data layer
[15:01]<@BC_Programming> but I can't even use the MySQL database stuff- so I would have to make this data layer perform POST or GET requests with a remote server running PHP that performs the database queries as requested and returns the results, then the Windows Phone Library parses that response into what it needs... insanely messy and not to mention security implications and whatnot
[15:15]<+Craig> Wow,
[15:15]<+Craig> thats retarded, seems that windows has made their phone very simple...
[15:16]<@BC_Programming> You can only reference Windows Phone libraries for whatever reason
[15:16]<@BC_Programming> probably security reasons. Probably why everything on phones is done with web requests
[15:16]<+Craig> Well, if we could get some android phones, I can root those, so we could do anything you want :P
[15:17]<+Craig> What about making this webbased, and just using a shorcut to a browser page?
[15:17]<@BC_Programming> <&BC_Programming> Yeah I'm not rewriting the entire bloody application in PHP
[15:17]<+Craig> Ahhh
[15:17]<+Craig> so that still applies
[15:17]<+Craig> Well, I guess I will have to figure something else out.
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[15:43]<jamer> Hello
[15:48]<@BC_Programming> So I have Photoshop CS 5.1, should I.. "get" Photoshop CS6?
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[17:12]<+camerongray> Super cool! http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ustream.html
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[17:27]<+Tux2> Craig: in response to your canada picture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ft1rbnlYhYY#t=116s
[17:41]<jamer> Hi tux2
[17:50]<+Tux2> hi jamer
[18:04]<@BC_Programming> hmm I was going to make a UHC Minecraft plugin
[18:04]<@BC_Programming> also want to switch survivalchests to use YAML for its random data even though I hate it with the passion of at least 3 pachyderms
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[19:56]<Erika> hi
[20:14]<jamer> Hi Erika
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[20:43]<@BC_Programming> hmm
[20:44]<@BC_Programming> these Visual Basic version posts are going to be perhaps ridiculously detailed
[20:44]<@BC_Programming> screenshots! They added a checkbox? Document the HECK out of it with a full paragraph!
[20:45]<@BC_Programming> VB2 will probably be the most detailed since I have all the original Books for it
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[20:51]<Erika> hey
[20:51]<jamer> Hi erika
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