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[08:58]<@BC_Programming> hey jacky
[08:59]<@jacky> BC_Programming: Hello
[08:59]<+camerongray> hey jacky & BC_Programming
[08:59]<@jacky> !!!!!
[08:59]<@jacky> a promotion!!
[08:59]<@jacky> hehehe
[08:59]<+camerongray> hehehe
[08:59]<@BC_Programming> now I'm depressed
[08:59]<@jacky> type : /nick I_be_depressed then
[08:59]<+camerongray> It was.. erm... reverse alphabetical order
[09:00]<@jacky> nah.. it was guilt... for what you've been doing to me all these years
[09:00]<@jacky> hehe
[09:00] * BC_Programming is now known as I_be_depressed
[09:00]<+camerongray> OH! It was alphabetical order based on name but using your real name if I know it :P
[09:00]<@jacky> camerongray: just trying to follow that sentence gives me a headache
[09:00]<@jacky> I_be_depressed: the other day.. you said you'd been trying to change your whois info
[09:00]<@jacky> what did you mean?
[09:00] * I_be_depressed is now known as BC_Programming
[09:01]<@BC_Programming> teh whois information associated with my bc-programming.com domain
[09:01]<@jacky> oh.
[09:01]<@jacky> duh
[09:01]<+camerongray> lol, I claim it was alphabetical order based on your real names but since I don't know jacky's real name, I used "j" :P
[09:01]<@jacky> I was thinking here, in IRC
[09:01]<@jacky> cool
[09:02]<@jacky> BC_Programming: did you succeed?
[09:02]<@BC_Programming> nope, have no idea how to change it
[09:02]<@jacky> BC_Programming: I mean... there are some helpful channels around, where you could ask.
[09:02]<@jacky> becauset that's not programming, y'see.....
[09:03]<@BC_Programming> what's more annoying is that they sent me an E-mail to make sure to confirm that the information is correct
[09:03]<@BC_Programming> and it says "you can easily change it on our website"
[09:03]<@jacky> jinx!
[09:03]<@BC_Programming> doesn't help that they don't say what their website is
[09:03]<@jacky> umm.. google ?
[09:03]<@BC_Programming> no it's from my domain registrar
[09:04]<@jacky> no.. I meant google to find their website
[09:04]<@BC_Programming> it's from securesignup.net, but that was changed to ifastnet.net which I've been using but provides no way to edit my Domain information
[09:04]<@jacky> see how easy it is?
[09:04]<@BC_Programming> I can display the whois stuff, but the only action I can perform is to renew it... no way to change it... it's infuriating
[09:04]<@jacky> hehehehe
[09:05]<@jacky> email them. so they can ignore it, and never reply. to add to your neurosis
[09:05]<@BC_Programming> I was going to open a support ticket and ask How the flip I'm supposed to change domain information but I don't want to draw attention to it
[09:06]<+camerongray> Does it maybe work off of your billing information?
[09:06]<@BC_Programming> if they find out it's wrong they are legally obligated due to CANN regulations to make sure it's correct or completely delete it entirely
[09:06]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: that can't be the case because my billing address is correct now
[09:06]<+camerongray> ahh
[09:07]<@jacky> _is_ it wrong?
[09:07]<@BC_Programming> yes
[09:07]<@jacky> how? .. why?
[09:07]<@jacky> I dont' really have a good understanding of this stuff. sorry
[09:07]<@BC_Programming> because it's the same thing I put in in 2009
[09:07]<@BC_Programming> the address/phone # and stuff is wrong
[09:07]<@jacky> "bcprogramming.com"
[09:07]<@jacky> oh...
[09:07]<@jacky> that part
[09:07]<@BC_Programming> bc-programming.com
[09:08]<@jacky> so... they have no reason to delete it... you are trying to fix it to BE correct
[09:08]<@jacky> right?
[09:08]<@jacky> (I understand about staying below the radar though)
[09:09]<@BC_Programming> yeah what I don't want is them to be like "oh well it'll cost this much to fix it" and basically try to force me to renew it to change whois stuff
[09:09]<@jacky> is renewing a pain? or costly?
[09:10]<@BC_Programming> $13
[09:10]<@jacky> ok
[09:10]<@BC_Programming> I have enough credit with them to do that, but technically I should need to do that until october
[09:10]<@BC_Programming> if I pay for a year I should get a year, after all
[09:10]<@jacky> so, one option is to wait 'till Sept to ask them how to make changes on their website, etc.
[09:11]<@BC_Programming> yeah
[09:11]<@jacky> oh.. to make a change on their website... like they said... would require an account and password one would think
[09:11]<@jacky> do you recall ever doing that?
[09:12]<@BC_Programming> yes it's a client area
[09:12]<@jacky> ok
[09:12]<@BC_Programming> I can see invoices and my hosting/domain stuff
[09:12]<@jacky> I'm grasping at straws
[09:12]<@BC_Programming> the hosting stuff let's me open a cpanel... domain thing is just like "here it is, oh here's a renew button that doesn't really do anything too, enjoy"
[09:12]<@jacky> oh! it probably requires one to know HTML !!! that's programming
[09:12]<@jacky> everybody must be quiet here now!!!!
[09:13] * @jacky looks for a reason to ban camerongray ... it must be all his fault
[09:13]<@BC_Programming> yeah somebody was trying to get help with MySQL/PHP in computerhope yesterday
[09:13]<@BC_Programming> the poor fool
[09:14]<@jacky> :serious mode on
[09:14]<@jacky> what happened?
[09:14]<@BC_Programming> if memory serves LC just tried to pass the buck to the forum
[09:14]<@jacky> too bad that nobody told them to come here, or to a PM
[09:14]<@jacky> after all.. that is what the owner of the channel said to do
[09:14]<@jacky> heheheh
[09:14]<@BC_Programming> yeah I wasn't actually live at the time, just saw it in a scrollback
[09:15]<@jacky> "you" were there???
[09:15]<@jacky> heh
[09:15]<+camerongray> hehehe
[09:15]<@BC_Programming> well no not me personally
[09:15]<@BC_Programming> my friend was there
[09:15]<@jacky> hehe
[09:15]<@jacky> we all know that's a lie. I mean... since when did you start having friends??
[09:16]<+camerongray> I'll need to figure out how to change my whois info at some point, moving in the summer
[09:16]<@jacky> camerongray: ask BC. he's an expert
[09:16]<+camerongray> lol!
[09:16]<@jacky> (couldn't resist)
[09:16]<@jacky> camerongray: if your's is easy, be sure to come here and rub it in
[09:16]<@jacky> hehehehe
[09:16]<+camerongray> lol!
[09:17]<+camerongray> I'll probably have to do it every year though, 12 month lease
[09:17]<@jacky> camerongray: always be thinking... never miss an opportunity. :)
[09:17]<@BC_Programming> main worry is that they sent me an E-mail about it
[09:17]<+camerongray> heheeh
[09:17]<@BC_Programming> so it's like they suspect
[09:17]<@jacky> BC_Programming: what precipitated the email though?
[09:17]<@BC_Programming> well it claims to be automated
[09:18]<@BC_Programming> "This automated message is a reminder to help you keep the contact data associated with your domain registration up-to-date. We have the following information on record, about your domain name bc-programming.com with us:"
[09:18]<@jacky> is there something really minor in the info fields, that you could just happen to desire to change?
[09:18]<@jacky> thus... you have a reason to respond and ask them how to do it?
[09:18]<@BC_Programming> ooh that's a good idea
[09:19]<@jacky> whew... if we talk long enough about something, sometimes we stumble across something
[09:19]<@jacky> oh wait! that's what *chat* is all about...
[09:19]<@BC_Programming> "If you feel that any of the above mentioned information is inaccurate, please take a moment to correct this discrepancy by visiting our website."
[09:19]<@jacky> maybe I should give you a pat, canned reply, "go to the forum"
[09:19]<@jacky> 
[09:20]<@jacky> any of the above mentioned information <<<< can you find a comma in the wrong place, or something equally petty?
[09:20]<@BC_Programming> lol
[09:20]<@BC_Programming> the odd thing is I could swear I changed it before
[09:21]<@jacky> FLOODER!!
[09:21]<@BC_Programming> actually, I did change it before, because I wasn't living at the address it has when I first registered the domain
[09:21]<@BC_Programming> mysteries!
[09:21]<@jacky> so the problem is not theirs?? it is your faulty memory??
[09:21]<@jacky> you forgot??
[09:21]<@jacky> heheheeh
[09:22]<@BC_Programming> well it's their fault for either removing that ability or just making it so difficult to find
[09:22]<@jacky> blame it on them.. I see
[09:22]<@jacky> heheeh
[09:24]<@BC_Programming> why is .co.uk more expensive than .com :/
[09:24]<+camerongray> Odd, it's cheaper here
[09:25]<@jacky> .co.uk uses more bytes
[09:25]<@BC_Programming> oh wait no... minimum term is 2 years, so around the same
[09:25]<+camerongray> her!
[09:25]<+camerongray> jar*!
[09:25]<+camerongray> har**!
[09:25]<@jacky> heehehehe
[09:25]<@jacky> just think how much it would be if it was .cock
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[09:26]<@jacky> Nat: Hello
[09:26]<+camerongray> hehehe
[09:26]<Nat> hiya
[09:26]<+camerongray> hey Nat
[09:30]<@BC_Programming> hmm found a support chat this should be good
[09:31]<@jacky> on mibbit? <eg>
[09:32]<@jacky> what nick are you using? <eg>
[09:34]<@BC_Programming> sorry this is really starting to piss me off
[09:34]<@BC_Programming> they answer "please file a support request"
[09:34]<@BC_Programming> wtf is the point of a chat support if that's all they ever fecking say
[09:34]<@jacky> ahem...
[09:34]<@BC_Programming> may as well just have a link to it
[09:34]<@jacky> "please file a support request" == "use the forum"
[09:34]<@jacky> hahahahahaha
[09:34]<@BC_Programming> heh indeed
[09:35]<@jacky> did you ask? or just been watching?
[09:36]<@BC_Programming> no I asked
[09:37]<@BC_Programming> now I need an invoice number, presumably one for the domain registration, which might be easy if the sorting was same
[09:37]<@BC_Programming> dates are mm/dd/yy and it sorts as text so ends up in this weird order
[09:37]<@jacky> know the date of your payment? ... won't that make it easy?
[09:39]<@BC_Programming> uh
[09:39]<@BC_Programming> uh oh
[09:40]<@BC_Programming> my domain already expired...
[09:40]<@BC_Programming> but that makes no sense
[09:41]<@jacky> doesn't the whois give the expiration date?
[09:41]<@BC_Programming> oh nevermind I found it
[09:42]<@BC_Programming> I had to actually look at every single invoice because they are all labelled as 0$
[09:43]<@jacky> Expiration Date: 15-Oct-2013
[09:44]<@BC_Programming> yeah that's what I get too
[09:44]<@BC_Programming> but my cpanel says it expired 188 days ago
[09:44]<@jacky> did you pay for the "DeLuxe" cpanel, or the econo-cpanel?
[09:44]<@BC_Programming> no I'm paying for a fecking domain
[09:44]<@jacky> hehehehe
[09:45]<@BC_Programming> I can find the invoice and now they are telling me it's expired
[09:45]<@jacky> does that cost more than a regular domain?
[09:45]<@jacky> :serious: telling you? in the chat?
[09:45]<@BC_Programming> No, it's telling me in teh control panel
[09:45]<@BC_Programming> "Domain:bc-programming status: expired"
[09:46]<@jacky> back to the chat, eh?
[09:46]<@BC_Programming> and yet here I have a invoice for renewing the domain oct 2012-oct 2013
[09:47]<@jacky> and, when looked up like I just did... it further confirms the Oct '13 date
[09:47]<@BC_Programming> WTF this makes no sense
[09:47]<@jacky> ask 'em.. in the chat
[09:47]<@BC_Programming> "registration Date: 10/15/2009, Next due date: 10/15/2013, Status:expired
[09:48]<@jacky> by the way, might this glitch be causing the "edit" button to not appear for you?
[09:48]<@BC_Programming> that's probably why I cannot change whois information
[09:48]<@jacky> touche`
[09:48]<@BC_Programming> it thinks it's expired or something
[09:49]<@jacky> "or something"... there you go... getting all programm-y on us again
[09:50]<@BC_Programming> 188 days ago is October 15th 2012, which is when it would have expired had I not renewed the domain
[09:51]<@BC_Programming> for which I have a invoice of course
[09:51]<@jacky> and invoice is a bill
[09:51]<@jacky> do you have a receipt?
[09:52]<@BC_Programming> yes they need invoice #'s as part of the support ticket
[09:52]<@jacky> but I mean... you have something that proves you actually paid it?
[09:52]<@BC_Programming> yes
[09:52]<@jacky> good
[09:52]<@jacky> which road are yougoing to take? chat or service ticket?
[09:53]<@jacky> or both?
[09:53]<@BC_Programming> chat just sends me to the support area anyway
[09:53]<@BC_Programming> I think it's automated
[09:53]<@jacky> hah
[09:53]<@jacky> just think... you'll probably get a reply via email, by October!
[09:53]<@jacky> heheeh
[09:54]<@BC_Programming> actually know I dealt with their support when somebody tried to brute force into my sites cpanel
[09:54]<+camerongray> Just realised that I've missed a weeks worth of "You've been framed", That's me sorted for the rest of the day!
[09:55]<@BC_Programming> they were reasonably adept
[09:55]<@jacky> BC_Programming: that's good.. .that they are responsive
[09:55]<@jacky> what is "You've been framed" ?
[09:56]<@BC_Programming> I think cam had less than perfect support from them but he was also using their free service
[09:56]<+camerongray> Basically a TV show of funny home videos, people falling over .etc :P
[09:56]<@jacky> ah. TV show.
[09:56]<@jacky> ok
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[09:57]<+camerongray> Narrated by a really funny comedian
[09:57]<+camerongray> He makes up little back stories to the videos .etc
[09:57]<@jacky> BC_Programming: camerongray gets free advice... in another channel around here.
[09:58]<@BC_Programming> "As the above invoice shows, I renewed the stated domain for Oct 2012 to Oct 2013. The domain was renewed, however, the ifastnet/securesignup Client Area claims that the domain expired October 2012 (it did not) and as a result I am unable to make any changes to the domain information associated with it since it only shows the "renew domain" button that would be prudent to show if the domain
[09:58]<@BC_Programming> had actually expired."
[09:58]<@BC_Programming> that's the message I am sending
[09:58]<@jacky> too clear. an idiot could understand it
[09:58]<@jacky> skip all punctuation
[09:58]<@BC_Programming> ahh
[09:58]<@jacky> and caps
[09:58]<@jacky> run it all together
[09:58]<@jacky> add lots of "you know"
[09:58]<+camerongray> This show has been around for so long! I remember when they used to ask you to send in VHS or 8mm tapes :P
[09:59]<@BC_Programming> 'helloz mys domainz not shoiwjg proper you help maybes?
[09:59]<@jacky> camerongray: sigh... you remember VHS, eh? I remember black & white
[09:59]<+camerongray> lol!
[09:59]<@BC_Programming> I remember larry
[09:59]<@jacky> BC_Programming: getting there
[09:59]<@jacky> larry the talking horse?
[10:00]<@BC_Programming> naw the Weird al song
[10:00]<@jacky> can you hum a few bars?
[10:00]<+camerongray> Why does noone record me when I fall over, I could make £££ every week :P
[10:00]<@BC_Programming> hmm actually I think I will do the calculations here to see how far my account credit will get me anyway
[10:00]<@BC_Programming> I was thinking until October but I think it can go farther
[10:01]<@jacky> why do you have credit? clerical errors?
[10:01]<@jacky> camerongray: because you do not stand out. you are probably surrounded by dozens of OTHER young drunks.
[10:01]<@jacky> heheeheh
[10:02]<@BC_Programming> I have credit because I originally allowed a double-subscription payment through paypal, so they kept taking double what they were supposed to
[10:02]<@jacky> ug
[10:02]<+camerongray> hehehe, I've only ever fallen over when sober
[10:02]<@jacky> camerongray: yeah. sure. right. we believe you.
[10:02]<@BC_Programming> which is actually alright because if it wasn't for the credit the site would have been long gone by now
[10:03]<+camerongray> Like when I needed to get to work but wanted to stop off in poundland, started running, hit patch of oil, flat on my face :P
[10:03]<@jacky> !say *bc*
[10:03]<@jacky> !say nicer_online_logs
[10:03]<@jacky> BC_Programming: like that one?
[10:03]<@jacky> camerongray: what is poundland?
[10:03]<@BC_Programming> yes bc-programming.com in it's entirety
[10:03]<@jacky> BC_Programming: well... *I*'m glad it is stil lthere. :)
[10:03]<@BC_Programming> heheh
[10:04]<+camerongray> jacky: Like the dollar store, everything is £1 :P
[10:04]<@jacky> ah.
[10:04]<@jacky> got it
[10:05]<+camerongray> Cheap for snacks, like Irn Bru is normally 49p a can but you get 3 for £1 there
[10:05]<@jacky> umm... Irn Bru ? sounds like beer made from somebody's ashes
[10:06]<+camerongray> Hahaha, soft drink, really only available in Scotland and some parts of England
[10:06]<+camerongray> It's orange, that means it's good for you :P
[10:06]<@jacky> ugg
[10:06]<@jacky> do you have GatorAde there?
[10:06]<+camerongray> Nah
[10:06]<+camerongray> Actually, I have seen it
[10:06]<@BC_Programming> I like Irn Bru but it's ridiculously expensive
[10:06]<+camerongray> But it's not widely available
[10:07]<@BC_Programming> Coca-Cola maybe 2 dollars for 2 liters, Irn Bru was like 8
[10:07]<+camerongray> Wow!
[10:07]<@BC_Programming> well it has to be imported presumably
[10:07]<@jacky> http://www.google.com/search?q=orange+gatorade&safe=off&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=pg50UfznKuXn0wGD8YG4Ag&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQsAQ&biw=1352&bih=589
[10:07]<+camerongray> I have a 2l bottle here, £1.25 or 2 for £2
[10:07]<@jacky> orange Gatorade isn't bad
[10:07]<@BC_Programming> whereas coca-cola/pepsi etc have bottling plants around here
[10:07]<@jacky> but I don't like carbonated orange drinks
[10:07]<+camerongray> It doesn't taste like orange though
[10:07]<+camerongray> Hard to describe
[10:08]<@BC_Programming> tastes sort of like bubble-gum
[10:08]<@jacky> a friend realized some years ago... a six pack of cheap beer costs less than a six pack of Coke. now he's a drunk.
[10:08]<+camerongray> Yeah, like metallic bubble gum :P
[10:09]<@jacky> BC_Programming: so... how many years can we have that site for our log?
[10:09]<@jacky> :)
[10:09]<+camerongray> I wonder if you can get Irn Bru in the US
[10:11]<@jacky> http://www.irn-bru-usa.com/
[10:11]<+camerongray> nice"
[10:11]<@jacky> SINGLE 12 Pack Case -16 oz bottles
[10:11]<@jacky> $23.95
[10:11]<@jacky> wow
[10:12]<@jacky> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irn-Bru "Irn-Bru is a Scottish carbonated soft drink, often described as "Scotland's other national drink" (after Scotch whisky)."
[10:12]<@jacky> heheheeheh
[10:12]<+camerongray> It's true :P
[10:12]<@jacky> do you all really drink a lot of Scotch over there?
[10:12]<+camerongray> That's not too bad acutally, Works out at £1.31 a bottle, They are usually 89p here but some supermarkets sell them for £1.20
[10:13]<+camerongray> Not me :P
[10:13]<@jacky> did you convert from $ to pounds?
[10:13]<+camerongray> yeah
[10:13]<@jacky> ok
[10:13]<@jacky> but in general -seriousl- is Scotch whiskey popular there?
[10:13]<@jacky> for all I know... it could be a marketing thing
[10:13]<+camerongray> Hmm, not with me :P
[10:14]<@jacky> har
[10:14]<@jacky> now I get it
[10:14]<+camerongray> But it is all made here
[10:14]<@jacky> is it?
[10:14]<@jacky> I never really thought about that
[10:14]<@jacky> I used to like it
[10:14]<+camerongray> Well, there are a lot of places that make whiskey here
[10:14]<@jacky> ever heard of Famous Grouse?
[10:15]<+camerongray> Yeah, that's dead popular
[10:15]<@jacky> uhh..
[10:15]<@jacky> what's that mean?
[10:15]<@jacky> is that good, or is that bad?
[10:15]<+camerongray> Like it's available in most shops that have an alcohol licence
[10:15]<@jacky> cool
[10:15]<@jacky> it is not seen in a bar here
[10:15]<@jacky> liquor stores have it
[10:16]<@jacky> well... I should say, 15 years ago, you didn't see it in a bar
[10:16]<@jacky> I don't go out to them anymore
[10:16]<@jacky> heh
[10:16]<+camerongray> Ahh :P
[10:16]<@jacky> Dewars and Johnny Walker (red and black)
[10:16]<@jacky> and... Cutty Sark
[10:16]<@jacky> trying to think
[10:16]<+camerongray> Never really had it, I probably should to complete the steriotype :P
[10:16]<@jacky> those are found in bars here
[10:16]<+camerongray> stereotype*
[10:16]<@jacky> which one do you like?
[10:17]<+camerongray> Not had any :P
[10:17]<@jacky> I see that smiley there
[10:17]<@jacky> heh
[10:17]<+camerongray> lol!
[10:17]<+camerongray> I should be climbing hills in a kilt drinking a bottle of whiskey :P
[10:17]<@jacky> well... they say that it is an aquired taste
[10:17]<@jacky> can't say abou tthat
[10:18]<@jacky> I can say that if somebody gives it to you straight... either neet or on the rocks
[10:18]<@jacky> it is strong tasting
[10:18]<@jacky> some like it with soda water
[10:18]<@jacky> me... I cut it with ice water and ice cubes
[10:18]<@jacky> then, it is pretty good
[10:18]<+camerongray> Yeah
[10:18]<@jacky> I don't know anything about the expensive stuff though
[10:18]<@jacky> what is it icalled? "single malt"
[10:19]<+camerongray> Yeah
[10:19]<+camerongray> Irn Bru is stererotypical enough when climing hills in kilts :P
[10:19]<@jacky> har
[10:19]<@jacky> my taste runs more to BC-land
[10:19]<@jacky> Crown Royal
[10:19]<@jacky> :)
[10:19]<+camerongray> Well, that's at least what foreign people said
[10:39]<@BC_Programming> :D
[10:39]<@BC_Programming> they fixed it for me :)
[10:39]<@BC_Programming> less than an hour turnaround, possibly less since I only checked just now
[10:39]<+camerongray> sweet!
[10:40]<@BC_Programming> and look at that, I can change the whois information now :)
[10:45]<@jacky> wow... that's great
[10:45]<@jacky> I'm glad to be wrong
[10:45]<@jacky> now change your address to Pluto, and see if they delete you
[10:45]<@BC_Programming> if I had to guess I'd say their DB went out of sync when they switched their own domain, which is a bit ironic
[10:46]<@jacky> heh
[10:46]<@jacky> BC_Programming: so... how many years can we have that site for our log?
[10:46]<@jacky> :)
[10:46]<@BC_Programming> I just added enough to pay the domain reg for October when it comes up for renewal
[10:47]<@jacky> that's through (or to) Oct '14 ?
[10:47]<@BC_Programming> right now it has enough credit until ~December
[10:47]<@jacky> lost me
[10:47]<@jacky> no matter...
[10:47]<@BC_Programming> domain until Oct 2014, hosting until December
[10:47]<@jacky> ohhhh
[10:48]<@BC_Programming> Of course, that's just with the credit I have in there now
[10:48]<@jacky> that's what I was asking about.
[10:48]<@jacky> half jokingly
[10:49]<+camerongray> One episode of "you've been framed" down, several to go :P
[10:49]<@BC_Programming> just checked, turns out the reply actually came 5 minutes after I posted the ticket
[10:50]<+camerongray> There is something really amsuing about people falling over
[10:52]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: you familiar with the C# as keyword?
[10:53]<+camerongray> nope
[10:53]<@BC_Programming> oh
[10:53]<@BC_Programming> well I'm writing a piece on it sorta
[10:53]<@BC_Programming> it's basically a cast, instead of (something)value, you do something as value
[10:53]<@BC_Programming> the difference is that the latter results in null if the cast cannot be completed instead of throwing an exception
[10:54]<+camerongray> Ahh
[10:54]<+camerongray> That sounds really nice!
[10:54]<+camerongray> Shame it's not in PHP/Java :P
[10:54]<@BC_Programming> VB.NET has tryCast(value,Typename) which is similar
[10:54]<+camerongray> I've been trying to learn rails but I'll probably give up
[10:54]<@BC_Programming> you can emulate it in PHP/Java with an if, but what makes the as keyword interesting
[10:54]<+camerongray> FAR too much abstraction
[10:55]<@BC_Programming> is that using as is actually faster than a direct cast
[10:55]<@BC_Programming> but it has some interesting caveats too that don't seem very well known that I was going to write about
[10:56]<+camerongray> Ahh, nice!
[10:56]<@BC_Programming> that was the issue I had with rails too btw... I was going to mess around with it, but it didn't have an obvious way to just fiddle with rails and ruby, instead I had to create an "Application" or something
[10:56]<@BC_Programming> and go through a bunch of boilerplate and stuff
[10:57]<+camerongray> Yeah
[10:57]<+camerongray> And you can't really build a database and use it with rails, you should use rails to create the database
[10:58]<@BC_Programming> I'd like to use python on my webhost :P
[10:58]<+camerongray> And you try to ask someone about "how does that work" and you're told it doesn't matter and to just treat it like magic
[10:58]<+camerongray> I mean, that works but I like to know how things work behing the scenes
[10:58]<@BC_Programming> ugh I really hate that attitude myself
[10:58]<+camerongray> Yep
[10:59]<+camerongray> And the fanboy thing that surrounds rails
[10:59]<@BC_Programming> I mean, when you are working with something, you can consider it a black box, but sometimes how it works is important
[10:59]<+camerongray> Like at a hackathon we were using PHP and ran into some issues, one of my friends who was on another team (Rails fanboy) was convinced that our problems were due to PHP
[10:59]<@BC_Programming> sort of like how usually when you drive a car you aren't concerned with the details of the engine, but when it starts to make weird noises, knowing how it works is useful
[10:59]<+camerongray> The actual issue was the API we were using didn't return the data we wanted
[11:00]<+camerongray> Exactly!
[11:00]<+camerongray> I'd consider learning Django though
[11:00]<@BC_Programming> that's Python CMS iirc
[11:00]<+camerongray> Nah, it's a framework
[11:00]<+camerongray> BC_Programming: Have you ever looked at Codeigniter?
[11:01]<@BC_Programming> I've been meaning to fiddle with that and CakePHP some
[11:01]<+camerongray> Ahh, You REALLY should look into CI
[11:01]<+camerongray> It's awesome!
[11:01]<@BC_Programming> for some reason I feel like I need to switch my main downloads stuff to use the PDO rather than the mysql_ functions
[11:01]<+camerongray> Ahh
[11:01]<@BC_Programming> but I don't like to mess with the downloads CMS unless things stop working
[11:02]<+camerongray> Codeigniter's database stuff is great
[11:03]<@BC_Programming> it's cool that I can download the latest version of something with just http://bc-programming.com/downloads/downloads.php?DlID=<downloadID>; and then I can just change the thing being pointed to
[11:03]<+camerongray> nice!
[11:03]<@BC_Programming> which is what I've been doing, upload the new version, change dl to point to the new file and change the summary
[11:03]<+camerongray> I moved unshorten.it to CI, so much better now
[11:03]<+camerongray> Especially now it's MVC
[11:04]<@BC_Programming> the client-side update library I made is pretty cool too, though tricky to test since for obvious reasons I'm always using the latest version when I'm testing :P
[11:04]<@BC_Programming> Mulreay had an issue with it, so I thought it was broken and disabled it completely for a while
[11:05]<+camerongray> ahh
[11:05]<@BC_Programming> but then I installed an old version of BASeBlock on my laptop, and when I started it it was all "there is a new version (2.7.1) available, would you like to download and install it?" and I said yes and it downloaded the update, launched the installer and quit itself, and worked pretty cool
[11:05]<@BC_Programming> I was impressed :P
[11:06]<@BC_Programming> mostly because I wasn't even trying to test that at the time, just wanted to see if the game would work on win8
[11:40]<@jacky> see you all later
[11:40]<@jacky> 
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[17:08]<Darkgrumly> Howdy
[17:08]<+camerongray> hey!
[17:09]<@BC_Programming> hello
[17:09]<+camerongray> hey BC_Programming
[17:09]<Darkgrumly> Time to make highlights
[17:11]<Darkgrumly> Oh damn, I forgot a lot
[17:11]<Darkgrumly> A highlight on "$me" identifies my current username right?
[17:12]<+camerongray> ./me does this...
[17:12] * Darkgrumly knows what /me does
[17:12] * Darkgrumly is not talking about that
[17:12] * Darkgrumly is talking about highlights
[17:13] * @BC_Programming has no idea what you are talking about but suspects it to be IRC client specific
[17:14]<Darkgrumly> Oh yeah, forgot I'm probably the only one using mIRC
[17:15]<Darkgrumly> I remember the gool ol' days when everybody used mIRC :P
[17:15]<+camerongray> I think a couple of guys here do
[17:15]<Darkgrumly> *good
[17:17] * @BC_Programming me = nick=$nick
[17:17]<Darkgrumly> camerongray, can you say my name please
[17:17]<@BC_Programming> hmm
[17:17]<@BC_Programming> $me is blank there :/
[17:19]<@BC_Programming> guess it's only active in Remote scripts
[17:19]<Darkgrumly> Highlights are part of remote scripts
[17:20]<Darkgrumly> Can you say Darkgrumly please to check something/
[17:20]<Darkgrumly> *?
[17:20]<@BC_Programming> I can Darkgrumly
[17:20]<Darkgrumly> Perfect.. yellow text and beeping
[17:20]<Darkgrumly> Just what I wanted, thnx :)
[17:21]<Darkgrumly> Now to colour peoples text.. can't find that one
[17:23]<+camerongray> Darkgrumly: If you see "jacky" on here, ask him, He know EVERYTHING about mIRC :P
[17:24]<Darkgrumly> Jacky, got it.. btw, can you type again without using my name?
[17:24]<+camerongray> If you see "jacky" on here, ask him, He know EVERYTHING about mIRC :P
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[17:24] * ChanServ sets mode: +o jacky
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[17:24]<+camerongray> Speak of the devil :P
[17:25]<@jacky> ?
[17:25]<@jacky> moi?
[17:25]<Darkgrumly> Lol, Jacky.. my good friend!!
[17:25]<@jacky> Darkgrumly: Hello
[17:25]<+camerongray> Darkgrumly is setting up mIRC
[17:25]<@jacky> ah
[17:25]<Darkgrumly> I'm an old time user, but forgot A LOT!!!
[17:25]<+camerongray> Said you knew EVERYTHING about it :P
[17:25]<@jacky> Darkgrumly: Hello. have we met before?
[17:25]<@jacky> camerongray lies
[17:25]<+camerongray> heheeh, you *seem* to know a lot
[17:25]<Darkgrumly> Don't worry, every bit helps :)
[17:25]<@jacky> I fake it well. Yep
[17:26]<@jacky> Darkgrumly: have we met before?
[17:26]<Darkgrumly> Don't think so
[17:26]<@jacky> np
[17:26]<@jacky> so.. how's it coming?
[17:27]<Darkgrumly> Anyway, I got my highlight "$me" set up, but forgot how to colour familiar peoples text
[17:27]<@jacky> maybe I can find it...
[17:27]<@jacky> a moment
[17:27]<Darkgrumly> So let's say I want to see your text in orange every time you say something
[17:27]<Darkgrumly> Except when it's overruled by the highlight ofcourse
[17:27]<@jacky> alt-b to bring up "Address book" config stuff
[17:28]<@jacky> see tab.. nick colors. might that be it?
[17:28]<Darkgrumly> I tried that without result
[17:28]<@jacky> oh?
[17:28]<@jacky> bummer
[17:28]<@jacky> brb.. let me have a better look
[17:28]<Darkgrumly> Maybe I'm doing something wrong with it though
[17:29]<@jacky> thisis copy-n-pastee from the "help" there:
[17:29]<@jacky> 
[17:29]<@jacky> The Nick colors section allows you to assign colors to nicknames, which are then highlighted with their assigned colors in the channel nicknames list, and in any messages that those nicks send to channel or query windows.
[17:29]<@jacky> 
[17:29]<Darkgrumly> Perhaps I need to fill in full adress
[17:29]<@jacky> does that sound like what you want to do, first of all?
[17:29]<Darkgrumly> Yes, couldn't have said it better :)
[17:29]<@jacky> let's experiment with it then
[17:30]<@jacky> say something
[17:30]<@jacky> yoo hoo.......
[17:30]<Darkgrumly> can you type again please
[17:30]<@jacky> test
[17:30]<@jacky> yak
[17:30]<@jacky> blah
[17:31]<Darkgrumly> hmm, still nothing
[17:31]<@jacky> well... we need to read the "help" some more, I suppose
[17:31]<@jacky> hehe
[17:31]<@jacky> brb
[17:31]<Darkgrumly> Tried jacky!*@*
[17:32]<Darkgrumly> I thought that was how I did it way back then
[17:32]<@jacky> we'll get it.. let's keep fiddling with it
[17:32]<@jacky> are you choosing a color?
[17:32]<@jacky> :)
[17:32]<@jacky> or leaving it at whatever it defaults to?
[17:33]<Darkgrumly> No I'm choosing specific colours for every person I choose to make "special" ;)
[17:34]<@jacky> say another test line now, please
[17:34]<Darkgrumly> I tried to set you to red, camerongray to orange and BC_Programming to light blue.. all with different settings
[17:34]<Darkgrumly> None work
[17:34]<Darkgrumly> You are not important enough ChanbotVI
[17:34]<@jacky> well.. this is interesting... I've got it working on ChanbotVI, but not on you
[17:34]<@jacky> so...
[17:34]<@jacky> I need to see what I did different, eh?
[17:34]<@jacky> brb
[17:35]<@jacky> :)
[17:35]<Darkgrumly> Hmm, that is odd
[17:35]<Darkgrumly> Are you fiddling in nick colours?
[17:35]<@jacky> yes
[17:36]<@jacky> say another line now, please
[17:36]<Darkgrumly> test
[17:36]<@jacky> it might be case sensitive
[17:36]<@jacky> I got you, now
[17:36]<@jacky> brb.. let me test that theory
[17:36]<Darkgrumly> Ah, let me check
[17:36]<Darkgrumly> test please
[17:37]<@jacky> test
[17:37]<@jacky> test
[17:37]<@jacky> test
[17:37]<Darkgrumly> Dammit.. still nothing
[17:37]<@jacky> how many do you have in the list now?
[17:37]<Darkgrumly> I did Jacky with a capital J, but after making it lower case, still nothing :(
[17:37]<Darkgrumly> 3
[17:37]<@jacky> hmm..
[17:38]<@jacky> there's a trick to it, that we haven't stumbled across yet
[17:38]<@jacky> ok...
[17:38]<@jacky> add ChanbotVI
[17:38]<@jacky> just like that
[17:38]<Darkgrumly> what exactly did you type at "nick/address
[17:38]<@jacky> no *.* or anything
[17:38]<@jacky> and pick a color
[17:38]<@jacky> just do those two things, only
[17:38]<@jacky> say when
[17:38]<@jacky> what exactly did you type at "nick/address <<< I used nick only
[17:39]<Darkgrumly> Ok, chanbotVI?
[17:39]<Darkgrumly> Nope, I feel like such a noob :S
[17:39]<@jacky> heh
[17:39]<Darkgrumly> let's start at the beginning then
[17:39]<@jacky> there's something funky going on, because at first, it didn't work for me either
[17:39]<@jacky> good idea
[17:39]<@jacky> delete everybody
[17:40]<@jacky> I will too
[17:40]<@jacky> done
[17:40]<@jacky> blank list here
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[17:40]<@jacky> enable is even Un-checked
[17:40]<@jacky> you too?
[17:40]<Darkgrumly> address book -> nick colors -> add -> field "nick/address" -> ChanbotVI -> OK
[17:40]<@jacky> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ that's what I did... yes
[17:40]<@jacky> did enable auto check itself on?
[17:41]<Darkgrumly> Sorry, auto check?
[17:41]<@jacky> do alt-b bring up the first pop up. See the check box? to enable it?
[17:41]<@jacky> is it checked to be on?
[17:41]<@jacky> "Enable nick colors"
[17:42]<Darkgrumly> OMG lol... hahaha
[17:42]<@jacky> aha
[17:42]<Darkgrumly> That's the worst place to put a settings checkbox lol
[17:42]<@jacky> say when
[17:42]<@jacky> we shall test
[17:42]<@jacky> :)
[17:42]<Darkgrumly> I got you now.. everything works low
[17:42]<Darkgrumly> *now
[17:42]<@jacky> cool
[17:42]<@jacky> one down
[17:42]<@jacky> 
[17:42]<@jacky> 
[17:42]<@jacky> next?
[17:42]<@jacky> :)
[17:42]<Darkgrumly> Need to check the parameters as well, so don't go just yet ;)
[17:43]<@jacky> params? ... as in...?
[17:43]<Darkgrumly> test please
[17:43]<@jacky> not leaving now... well.. maybe a couple min break, soon
[17:43]<Darkgrumly> ok, could you change you nick?
[17:43]<Darkgrumly> *your
[17:44] * jacky is now known as someothernick
[17:44]<@someothernick> test test test
[17:44]<Darkgrumly> okido, stay for a few seconds please
[17:44]<@someothernick> are you limiting it, using the hostmask?
[17:44]<@someothernick> give that some thought... in case user's ip change, etc.
[17:44]<@someothernick> totally up to you, of course
[17:45]<Darkgrumly> test again please
[17:45]<Darkgrumly> limiting what?
[17:46]<@someothernick> limiting the way it detects a nick to color
[17:47]<Darkgrumly> I got it all correct.. Thank you!!
[17:47]<@someothernick> ok
[17:47]<@someothernick> back to my question
[17:47]<@someothernick> heheeh
[17:47]<Darkgrumly> Got any nick you might use colours by your login name using *!the_kink@*
[17:47]<Darkgrumly> *coloured
[17:47]<@someothernick> ok...
[17:47]<@someothernick> interesting
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[17:48]<@jacky> 
[17:48]<@jacky> onward....
[17:48]<@jacky> 
[17:48]<@jacky> next?
[17:48]<@jacky> :)
[17:48]<Darkgrumly> yup, still red ;)
[17:48]<Darkgrumly> Yup.. next :D
[17:48]<@jacky> did you say that you are returning to IRC?
[17:48]<@jacky> or just returning to the mIRC client?
[17:48]<@jacky> or both?
[17:48]<Darkgrumly> both
[17:48]<@jacky> cool
[17:48]<@jacky> welcome back
[17:48]<@jacky> how far back to you go?
[17:48]<Darkgrumly> I used to program using mIRC
[17:48]<@jacky> I used to program using mIRC <<< mIRC scripts?
[17:49]<Darkgrumly> Opened programs, scripting, bot managing etc.
[17:49]<Darkgrumly> Yup
[17:49]<@jacky> not familiar with opened
[17:49]<@jacky> how far back do you go? what era/years? heheehe
[17:49]<Darkgrumly> it's as simple as scripting calc.exe :)
[17:49]<@jacky> I fiddle with very basic mIRC scripts, when I want something. I DON'T like the "do all" scripts that are downloadable.
[17:49]<Darkgrumly> The scripting part.. about 5/6/7 years
[17:50]<Darkgrumly> Don't ever download scripts.. either you know what to do or you don't.. if you do, make it yourself.. if you don't.. don't mess with it
[17:50]<@jacky> I started with mIRC back with Win3.1 ... I forget the ver number of mIRC... and it may have been DOS 5.0 back then
[17:50]<@jacky> I agree with your scripting philosophy. :)
[17:50]<Darkgrumly> Oh wow, that's some experience you have lol
[17:51]<@jacky> not really
[17:51]<@jacky> I just explore when I need to
[17:51]<@jacky> there is TONS that I don't know
[17:51]<@jacky> or...sadly worse... forgot
[17:51]<@jacky> heheehehe
[17:51]<Darkgrumly> ok, potential experience I'll call it then ;)
[17:51]<@jacky> I'm so old that I fart dust
[17:51]<Darkgrumly> I'm "only" 25 and often feel like an elderly in these things
[17:52]<@jacky> Darkgrumly: are you expecting to hang out on this irc network much ?
[17:52]<Darkgrumly> In fact I do. I still need to find my place, but yeah
[17:52]<@jacky> at 25, you ARE older than most on IRC, I think. Just listen/watch/try to talk to them, and you'll quickly detect a lack of patience and other typical kiddie traits.
[17:52]<@jacky> 
[17:52]<@jacky> this channel is officially a "help" channel
[17:53]<@jacky> so.. you are welcome to hang out here all you wish
[17:53]<Darkgrumly> I got here looking for some info on comparing 1 of 2 laptops I'm willing to buy. camerongray lured me here ;)
[17:53]<@jacky> but, as it is not super busy, we get to know each other, and just hang out
[17:53]<@BC_Programming> and stay away from #computerhope if you value your sanity
[17:53]<Darkgrumly> Haha, noted ;)
[17:53]<@jacky> if somebody comes along and needs something - to wit, notice what is going on right now - kindly use sense, and let the person get some help, instead of just chitty chatting.
[17:53]<@jacky> tough to remember, eh?
[17:53]<@jacky> :)
[17:54]<+camerongray> Yeah, Computerhope is good for getting help.etc but I have major issues with some operators
[17:54]<@jacky> go to #computerhope and just watch. be entertained. heheeheh
[17:54]<+camerongray> This is also like a little backstage area where we can discuss what is happening in CH
[17:54]<Darkgrumly> There's only 1 operator and it's a bot lol
[17:54]<@jacky> the web site DOES have some useful info, in an easy to read fashion. I dont' know if the web site is kept up to date though
[17:54]<Darkgrumly> You can't be that mad a bot, can you? :P
[17:54]<+camerongray> Like "Did you see what *operator* just said"
[17:55]<+camerongray> lol, the operators don't op themselves unless they want to use
[17:55]<+camerongray> it*
[17:55]<@jacky> Darkgrumly: I suspect that there are several operators, and I supect that many of them are the same person... and it this is excluding the bot that is op'd
[17:55]<Darkgrumly> Just a sec, I need to add camerongray and BC_Programming back into the nick colours
[17:55]<@jacky> 
[17:55]<Darkgrumly> Yeah I know, was just yanking his tail :P
[17:56]<+camerongray> lol
[17:56]<+camerongray> The advice in the forum is generally better IMO
[17:58]<@jacky> camerongray: because they get lots of practice? from all the referrals from the chat?
[17:58]<@jacky> <g>
[17:58]<@jacky> brb... 2 min
[17:58]<+camerongray> hehehe yeah
[17:59]<Darkgrumly> I think I got my basic nick colours set up
[17:59]<Darkgrumly> BC_Programming, camerongray.. can you give me a test?
[17:59]<+camerongray> yep :P
[17:59]<Darkgrumly> Perfect
[17:59]<@jacky> this is red, right?
[17:59]<@jacky> blue?
[18:00]<@jacky> yellow?
[18:00]<Darkgrumly> Your name is, your text isn't lol
[18:00]<+camerongray> nice!
[18:00]<Darkgrumly> #FF0000 is red
[18:00]<@jacky> har
[18:00]<@jacky> geez.. is that ASCII code?
[18:00]<@jacky> been a long time...
[18:00]<Darkgrumly> just remember RGB.. red green blue
[18:01]<Darkgrumly> #FF0000 is red, #00FF00 is green, #0000FF is blue
[18:01]<Darkgrumly> Everything in between can be read from those colours
[18:01]<@jacky> but... is that ASCII code?
[18:02]<Darkgrumly> I know #xxxxxx is very familiar that everybody should know, I know ASCII is very familiar that everybody should know... but eeeh
[18:02]<Darkgrumly> Can't remember if that's the same thing, I think so.. but not sure :$
[18:02]<@jacky> ok
[18:02]<@jacky> I just hit ctrl-k and go
[18:03]<@jacky> hehehe
[18:03]<Darkgrumly> Like I said, I've been out of it for too long
[18:03]<@jacky> ok.. np
[18:03]<Darkgrumly> Ah yes, ctrl k = colouring :D
[18:03]<@jacky> what else do you want to make it do for you?
[18:03]<Darkgrumly> I remember that
[18:03]<@jacky> oh.. before I forget to mention it: you might want to do: /ns help register and consider reg'ing your nick
[18:04]<Darkgrumly> Well, background is black, text is white, highlight for my nick is yellow, "important"people have their own colour
[18:04]<Darkgrumly> I don't really know what to do next
[18:04]<@jacky> reg your nick then
[18:04]<@jacky> heh
[18:04]<Darkgrumly> Eventually I'll start scripting
[18:04]<@jacky> then, we can make a super simple little script, to id you with NS when you log in here
[18:04]<Darkgrumly> I am registered... right?
[18:05]<@jacky> -NickServ- Nick darkgrumly isn't registered.
[18:05]<@jacky> do: /ns info darkgrumly to get that
[18:05]<Darkgrumly> Hmm, I guess we're talking about 2 different things
[18:05]<@jacky> what did you think of?
[18:05]<Darkgrumly> 1 is registering to this server, 2 is registering to hide IP
[18:06]<Darkgrumly> I believe I've done the 2nd thing
[18:06]<@jacky> no idea what "registering to hid IP" is about
[18:06]<@jacky> where and how did you go about it?
[18:06]<@BC_Programming> I think mibbit does that automatically, only shows hostmask
[18:06]<@jacky> correct
[18:06]<Darkgrumly> It's the same laptop I had mIRC on 5 years ago, so I really don't know anymore
[18:06]<@jacky> Darkgrumly: np
[18:06]<Darkgrumly> Everything important is saved
[18:07]<@jacky> well... if you like Darkgrumly and want it to be yours, just register it with Nickserv
[18:07]<@jacky> :)
[18:07]<Darkgrumly> Or maybe it's mibbit and I just don't know where to look for the signs.. that can also be true
[18:07]<@jacky> Darkgrumly: do: /whois jacky
[18:07]<Darkgrumly> hmm, /nickserv help?
[18:08]<@jacky> see the report on me. you don't see my ip. the ircd masks it
[18:08]<@jacky> do: /whois darkgrumly and you do, because it is yourself
[18:08]<@jacky> <Darkgrumly> hmm, /nickserv help? << you can. or you can use the command I gave you earlier
[18:08]<Darkgrumly> Oh damn, That's not good
[18:08]<@jacky> what is not good?
[18:09]<Darkgrumly> sorry, I missed it.. what's the command for nickserv reg?
[18:09]<@jacky> I didn't give that ... I gave the command to get help on nickserv reg
[18:09]<@jacky> scroll up
[18:09]<@jacky> :)
[18:09]<Darkgrumly> It's a chaos up there with whois's :P
[18:09]<@jacky> sigh
[18:09]<Darkgrumly> Sorry lol
[18:10]<@jacky> just fyi: alt-f is search
[18:10]<@jacky> : do: /ns help register
[18:10]<Darkgrumly> ns help register
[18:10]<Darkgrumly> sigh
[18:10]<@jacky> maybe it is ctrl-f
[18:10]<@jacky> hehehee
[18:10]<@jacky> not sure where yours will send the notice reply from NS. mine goes to status window
[18:10]<Darkgrumly> Oh man
[18:10]<@jacky> did you get the help from NS ?
[18:11]<Darkgrumly> hmm, /nickserv password email
[18:12]<@jacky> not quite
[18:12]<@jacky> : -NickServ- Syntax: REGISTER password [email]
[18:12]<Darkgrumly> email is optional.. just stating what I'm reading
[18:12]<@jacky> is it? been a while... I'm not sure that it is optional
[18:13]<Darkgrumly> syntax error
[18:14]<@jacky> that help can take a bit of getting used to
[18:14]<@jacky> this: -NickServ- Syntax: REGISTER password [email] means /msg nickserv register password email
[18:15]<Darkgrumly> A passcode has been sent to *@*.com, please type /msg NickServ confirm <passcode> to complete registration
[18:15]<@jacky> Isee you got part way there
[18:15]<@jacky> :)
[18:15]<Darkgrumly> I think I got it
[18:15]<@jacky> not done... but so far, so good
[18:15]<@jacky> check your email
[18:15]<Darkgrumly> How did you see that?
[18:15]<@jacky> follow the directions
[18:15]<@jacky> :)
[18:15]<@jacky> : /msg nickserv info darkgrumly
[18:16]<@jacky> returns: -NickServ- This nick is awaiting an e-mail verification code before completing registration.
[18:16]<@jacky> 
[18:16]<Darkgrumly> clever girl :P
[18:17]<@jacky> who?
[18:17]<Darkgrumly> mode set to +r
[18:17]<Darkgrumly> done
[18:17]<@jacky> <Darkgrumly> clever girl :P << huh?
[18:17]<Darkgrumly> Jurassic park reference
[18:17]<@jacky> oh
[18:17]<@jacky> and yes... you got it
[18:17]<@jacky> did it tell you how often you must log in and id with NS?
[18:17]<@jacky> I forget... it might be 4 weeks
[18:17]<@jacky> .. .to maintain your nick reg
[18:18]<Darkgrumly> That's what the hunter says to the velociraptor when he discovers he's been lured into a trap
[18:18]<@jacky> ok
[18:19]<@jacky> ?
[18:19]<Darkgrumly> Is continuous logon time relevant or times of logging in?
[18:19]<@jacky> not continuous
[18:19]<@jacky> more like "once per every xx"
[18:19]<@jacky> or "at least once per every xx days"
[18:19]<Darkgrumly> That's a bit weird don't you think?
[18:19]<@jacky> what is the "that"?
[18:20]<Darkgrumly> That I have to log out and back in to keep myself registered
[18:20]<@jacky> I doubt you do have to do taht
[18:20]<@jacky> *that
[18:20]<Darkgrumly> <@jacky> not continuous
[18:21]<@jacky> but, if you log off... you must return and log back in, within something like 4 weeks, else you lose your nick reg
[18:21]<@jacky> and I've forgotten what that amount of time is
[18:21]<@jacky> it should have said so, when it responded with your reg
[18:21]<@jacky> I just wanted you to be aware of it
[18:22]<Darkgrumly> Nothing in email and nothing in status
[18:22]<@jacky> ok
[18:22]<@jacky> perhaps it was some other network
[18:22]<@jacky> sorry
[18:22]<@jacky> but there IS some limit
[18:22]<Darkgrumly> I'll never forgive you even if you are sorry.. muahahaha
[18:22]<@jacky> it is generous, unless you are apt to go on two month vacations
[18:22]<Darkgrumly> Oh wait.. ahum... sorry about that :
[18:23]<Darkgrumly> :P
[18:23]<Darkgrumly> I really need to give myself a colour too I see
[18:24]<@jacky> that's the thing... it is your client... make it like YOU want it
[18:24]<@jacky> :)
[18:24]<@jacky> I tried changing the font one time. discovered that I'd gotten used to the ugly default one
[18:24]<@jacky> heheehe
[18:24]<@jacky> changed it back
[18:24]<Darkgrumly> Such a shame lol
[18:24]<Darkgrumly> So you're still with black on white?
[18:25]<@jacky> yep. and the default font.. .what is it called? System or somethng like that
[18:25]<Darkgrumly> It's the first thing I changed.. Black background and white/grey text
[18:25]<Darkgrumly> So very important to me
[18:25]<@jacky> whatever turns you on. :)
[18:26]<Darkgrumly> You have no idea, I almost came :P
[18:26]<Darkgrumly> TMI? :P
[18:26]<@jacky> yes
[18:26]<Darkgrumly> Hehe
[18:27]<@jacky> and we are not real big on text speak. :)
[18:27]<Darkgrumly> So, now we got most things out of the way.. what do you do here
[18:27]<@jacky> me, specifically? or us in general?
[18:27]<Darkgrumly> both actually, but start with yourself if you will :)
[18:28]<@jacky> I inherited the channel, so I maintain it for our use. I like to fiddle with Eggdrop bots too. Craig supplies the server (shell) for ChanbotVI, and I set it up and maintain it.
[18:28]<@jacky> other than that, I chat with my friends here some
[18:28]<@jacky> and whoever else comes along
[18:28]<@jacky> I'm on EDT. it is 8:28 pm here
[18:28]<@jacky> what time is it for you, now?
[18:29]<Darkgrumly> 2:28 am
[18:29]<Darkgrumly> GMT+1
[18:29]<@jacky> I'll guess... Germany?
[18:29]<Darkgrumly> Close
[18:29]<Darkgrumly> A little higher populated per square inch
[18:29]<@jacky> well?
[18:30]<Darkgrumly> Well.. guess :)
[18:30]<@jacky> I already did
[18:30]<Darkgrumly> And I gave you a hint, so time for another guess ;)
[18:30]<@jacky> Netherlands
[18:30]<Darkgrumly> And bingo was his name :)
[18:31]<@jacky> Darkgrumly is Grumly@mib-1606DE37.ip.telfort.nl
[18:31]<Darkgrumly> Yup, you should have known lol
[18:31]<@jacky> I simply asked you
[18:31]<Darkgrumly> Sorry, I like games
[18:31]<@jacky> anyway... often I'm on here at 9:00 am ish, my time
[18:31]<@jacky> for what that is worth
[18:31]<@jacky> :)
[18:32]<@jacky> camerongray is in Europe too
[18:32]<@jacky> while BC is a bit north of me. :)
[18:32]<@jacky> I forget the others..
[18:32]<Darkgrumly> 9 am is 3 pm for me right? 6 hour difference?
[18:32]<+camerongray> that I am, Scotland to be precise
[18:32]<@jacky> this time of year, I'm 4 hours behind GMT
[18:33]<@jacky> it should be 00:32 GMT right now
[18:33]<@jacky> isnt' it?
[18:33]<@jacky> it is 8:33 pm here
[18:33]<+camerongray> 01:33 :P
[18:33]<@jacky> camerongray: that's five
[18:33]<@jacky> camerongray: are you on GMT?
[18:33]<+camerongray> Yeah
[18:33]<Darkgrumly> I'm GMT+1, so 6 hours for me
[18:33]<+camerongray> Well daylight savings time at the moment
[18:33]<@jacky> camerongray: see? heheehhe
[18:33]<Darkgrumly> Yup, we were about 4 weeks later than you guys
[18:33]<@jacky> you're not on GMT
[18:34]<Darkgrumly> Wait, GMT stays at "winter" time?
[18:34]<@jacky> Darkgrumly: GMT does not change
[18:34]<@jacky> it is the world standard
[18:35]<@jacky> http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx
[18:36]<Darkgrumly> With the coming of a type 1 telephone system (the internet) I think it should be about time we get rid of daylight saving time and all respect GMT as the international main time
[18:36]<+camerongray> lol yeah, it can get confusing
[18:37]<@jacky> we (the world) already DO respect GMT as the international time
[18:37]<Darkgrumly> Not only that, it will never go back.. only go forward with more confusion if this keeps going on the way it does
[18:37]<@jacky> just ignore DST, if any country chooses to use it
[18:37]<+camerongray> Like one time at work the CMOS battery in the PC I was using had died so the clock was wrong and my phone was out of battery so I googled "Time GMT" to check the time, Ended up working an hour too long since it was in the summer :P
[18:37]<@jacky> that makes it simple... just use GMT
[18:38]<Darkgrumly> In some cases you're right jacky, but when it comes to daylight savings time, it clearly doesn't
[18:38]<@jacky> camerongray: that's YOUR fault, not GMT's or your country's local time. heheheeheh
[18:38]<Darkgrumly> WE are at an area when international time weighs higher than fuel saving daylight savings time
[18:38]<@jacky> Darkgrumly: sure it does. just use GMT. that's what military, pilots, radio operators... anybody that must have a time standard... do
[18:39]<@jacky> just like right now... this conversation... I should have said.. it is 00:39 GMT here
[18:39]<@jacky> then... we wouldn't be having this conversation.. heehehehe
[18:39]<Darkgrumly> Jacky, you fail to see the most important thing.. the time on my clock and every other clock here in the netherlands and the rest of europe
[18:39]<@jacky> who care?
[18:39]<@jacky> just use GMT
[18:40]<@jacky> that's the point of GMT
[18:40]<@jacky> a standard
[18:40]<Darkgrumly> Indeed, just use GMT!!
[18:40]<@jacky> to be used in environments where one needs to "know what time it is"
[18:40]<Darkgrumly> Convince my government please :)
[18:40]<@jacky> oh... now THAT is up to your local gov't. :)
[18:40]<@jacky> personally, I like DST here. I don't like it when it gets dark at 5:00 pm in January. heh
[18:41]<@jacky> Darkgrumly: just curious... how did you find us?
[18:42]<Darkgrumly> The point of daylight savings time is to save power/fuel (don't know a better word) cost, but in this time the advantage of having an international standard time without daylight savings time is more beneficial for the consumer
[18:42]<Darkgrumly> Ask camerongray ;)
[18:42]<@jacky> sigh
[18:42]<Darkgrumly> Wait, I think I have it open
[18:43]<Darkgrumly> Nope, even ctrl+shift+t couldn't recover the page
[18:43]<@jacky> what page?
[18:43]<Darkgrumly> When browsing, ctrl+shift+t opens the last closed tab in your browser
[18:44]<Darkgrumly> It seems I closed more than one after I found this site
[18:44]<@jacky> ok
[18:44]<@jacky> you found us with some sort of web search?
[18:44]<@jacky> I just wonder what works, anymore.....
[18:44]<Darkgrumly> yeah, something like "computer problem chat" or something in google
[18:44]<@jacky> cool
[18:44]<@jacky> thanks
[18:45]<@BC_Programming> and this came up before CH, yay us!
[18:45]<@jacky> Darkgrumly: for when it is slower here: with the newer versions of mIRC, you can connect to more than one network at the same time
[18:46]<Darkgrumly> Btw, it linked me to #computerhope, camerongray got me here
[18:46]<@jacky> cool
[18:46]<@BC_Programming> oh
[18:46]<@BC_Programming> just as well I suppose
[18:46]<@jacky> BC_Programming: wishful thinking? hehehehe
[18:46]<@jacky> Darkgrumly: btw, you CAN find this channel again, with mIRC... right?
[18:46]<Darkgrumly> Sorry BC, but it's better this way.. you wouldn't want those noobs here anyway :P
[18:47]<Darkgrumly> Oh good point.. I'm used to saving my channels, but I don't know if it remembered.. let me check
[18:48]<@jacky> the default install probably does keep logs... up to you to config some logging options
[18:48] * Erika (nds@mib-735470C7.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net) has joined #glitchpc
[18:48]<Darkgrumly> Hmm, favorites -> add to favorites -> check - join on connect
[18:48]<Darkgrumly> Will that do the trick?
[18:49]<@jacky> be that as it may... the easy way is to make a couple notes
[18:49]<@jacky> Yes.. it should
[18:49]<@jacky> but still.. . note it, in case you lose the config or something
[18:49]<@jacky> irc.mibbit.com or irc.mibbit.net
[18:49]<Darkgrumly> Aww, do you miss me already? How sweet ;)
[18:49]<@jacky> and /join #glitchpc
[18:49]<@jacky> that's all you need
[18:50]<@jacky> I assume you know how to use those two bits of info, since you'd been around irc before
[18:50]<@jacky> if not.. say so. :)
[18:50]<Darkgrumly> For your sake, I used pen and paper just to be absolutely sure ;)
[18:51]<@jacky> your current install of mIRc most likely keeps a list of recent connects. see the lightning bolt? top left? don't click it! it is a toggle... one click to connect, next click to disconnect. but you can right click it, and get a pull down. chances are, mibbit is in there by now
[18:51] * @jacky is old. likes pen and paper, sometimes
[18:51]<+camerongray> lol, I can hardly write properly I do it so little :P
[18:52]<Darkgrumly> Omg, this really isn't fair :(
[18:52]<+camerongray> Well, I can obvously write but boy is it mesy!
[18:52]<@jacky> I kn rite purty gud sumtimz
[18:52]<Darkgrumly> alt+r for the scripts.. users.. full of info, variables... multiple pages.., remote..... EMPTY!!!
[18:52]<Darkgrumly> F*CK ME!
[18:53]<@jacky> Darkgrumly: did you right click the lightning bolt and see the pull down list of servers?
[18:53]<@jacky> mibbit there?
[18:53]<Darkgrumly> Jacky, that's so basic even my memory remembers to check servers first :)
[18:53]<@jacky> my "remotes" is full of stuff... accumulated. heheehe
[18:54]<@jacky> well.. if mibbit is listed, then you can use it from there. just another easy way to get here
[18:54]<@jacky> :)
[18:54]<Darkgrumly> Hmm, could remote scripts be linked to servers instead of client perhaps?
[18:55]<@jacky> (just fyi, I'm out of here in about 5 min... probably 'till tomorrow morning, my time)
[18:55]<@jacky> could remote scripts be linked to servers instead of client perhaps? <<< can you elaborate? an example maybe?
[18:55]<Darkgrumly> Don't worry, we'll talk plenty more if it's up to me :))
[18:55]<@jacky> :)
[18:56]<Darkgrumly> I know I had a fully functional bot account that handled things even if I was not physically around.. That was scripted in the remote tab
[18:56]<Erika> pfhhh tabs?
[18:56]<@jacky> and what sort of things did you have in mind?
[18:56]<Erika> who needs em, i split my screen
[18:56]<Darkgrumly> I can still find the variables I used, but the remote tab is emptry, so maybe that remote tab is specific for a certain server?
[18:57]<@jacky> Darkgrumly: not that I now of
[18:57]<@jacky> *know
[18:57]<@jacky> it is empty, because you have put nothing in there. :)
[18:57]<Darkgrumly> It doesn't make sense to me either, but I can't explain why it remembers my variables, but not my scripts
[18:57]<@jacky> you CAN make scripts respond, on a server basis though
[18:58]<@jacky> is this a new install of mIRC?
[18:58]<Darkgrumly> But is that standard? I know I didn't specify a specific server
[18:58]<@jacky> is what standard?
[18:58]<@jacky> for nothing to be in remotes? on a brand new install of mIRC?
[18:58]<Darkgrumly> yes, new install, but as I said, it does remember variables from the previous installation
[18:58]<@jacky> I think so.... to be honest, it has been a while
[18:58]<@jacky> bring it back up
[18:59]<@jacky> in remotes... then click on View
[18:59]<Darkgrumly> %floodcontrol 0
[18:59]<Darkgrumly> %aertcontrol 0
[18:59]<Darkgrumly> %x 0
[18:59]<Darkgrumly> %y 0
[18:59]<Darkgrumly> %quote 4
[18:59]<Darkgrumly> %rquote 0
[18:59]<Darkgrumly> %4a 1
[18:59]<Darkgrumly> %4b 1
[18:59]<Darkgrumly> %4c 3
[18:59]<Darkgrumly> %4d 7
[18:59]<Darkgrumly> %4e 6
[18:59]<@jacky> pull that down
[18:59]<Darkgrumly> %4f 6
[18:59]<Darkgrumly> %4g 2
[18:59]<Darkgrumly> %4zet 9
[18:59]<Darkgrumly> %trivia van: 7785 ; X GrimorgX - 7440 ; D arkgrumly - 2058 ; P roca - 1805 - ; d einohawk - 1149 - ; d iscordia - 801 - ; G ameoperator1 - 234 - ; m ini - 217 - ; D eNol - 193 - ; E wald` - 123 -
[18:59]<@jacky> anything in View ?
[18:59]<Darkgrumly> %targetenemy geen
[18:59]<Darkgrumly> %targetgrondstoffen geen
[18:59]<Darkgrumly> %targetnoob corne
[18:59]<Darkgrumly> I think this says enough
[18:59]<@jacky> that says a lot of garbage
[18:59]<@jacky> heheeh
[18:59]<@jacky> so.. back to my question
[18:59]<Darkgrumly> It's all linked to scripts I was using
[19:00]<@jacky> ok
[19:00]<@jacky> and..?
[19:00]<Darkgrumly> And.. the scripts are gone.. that's the weird thing
[19:00]<@jacky> sigh
[19:00]<Darkgrumly> You'd thing either it deleted all data or kept all data
[19:00]<@jacky> I have to go soon
[19:00]<@jacky> please reply to the question
[19:00]<Darkgrumly> But somehow it deleted the scripts, but kept the variables for it :S
[19:01]<Darkgrumly> Sorry.. eeh.. view?
[19:01]<@jacky> yes
[19:01]<@jacky> what's in there?
[19:01]<Darkgrumly> and then?
[19:01]<@jacky> are you scripts there?
[19:01]<@jacky> perhaps that is your solution... just check there
[19:01]<@jacky> and let's see what you find
[19:01]<Darkgrumly> I didn't make full program scripts, so didn't add toolbar icons for them, so no
[19:02]<@jacky> huh?
[19:02]<@jacky> those are not relative to each other
[19:02]<@jacky> how did toolbar icons get into this?
[19:02]<@jacky> what's under View, in remotes? anything?
[19:02]<Darkgrumly> The scripts you downloaded are full programs, mine were all for personal use, so now hotbar or shortcuts were made
[19:02]<@jacky> I downloaded??
[19:02]<@jacky> huh?
[19:02]<@jacky> now I'm lost
[19:02]<@jacky> what are you talking about?
[19:03]<Darkgrumly> You said you downloaded scripts
[19:03]<@jacky> no. I didn't
[19:03]<Erika> script kitty attack
[19:03]<Erika> rawr
[19:03]<Darkgrumly> Hmm, then I'm lost too lol
[19:03]<@jacky> ok
[19:03]<@jacky> let's do this simple
[19:03]<Erika> ru, rawr?
[19:03]<@jacky> what do yo ufind, in View, when you pull it down, when you are in remotes tab?
[19:04]<Erika> o.o
[19:04]<Erika> im being ignored o_o
[19:04]<@jacky> that's what I've been asking all along, and somehow you got off on someething else
[19:04]<Darkgrumly> only remote.ini (empty
[19:04]<Darkgrumly> )
[19:04]<Erika> :'(
[19:04]<@jacky> Erika: yep... because I can't figure out what you are talking about. :)
[19:04]<@jacky> Darkgrumly: ok
[19:04]<Erika> muu, meow :'(
[19:04]<Darkgrumly> Ah, I think I know what I did
[19:04]<@jacky> Darkgrumly: been a while... were you offered an option to overwrite things, during upgrade?
[19:05]<Darkgrumly> No, I think I manually cleared my harddisk
[19:05]<@jacky> ummm... yeah... THAT would do it
[19:05]<@jacky> heheheeh
[19:05]<Darkgrumly> Variables were in register files.. I deleted main files and folders
[19:05]<@jacky> if you wipe your hard drive, everything would be gone
[19:05]<Darkgrumly> Stupid me
[19:06]<Darkgrumly> mIRC doesn't have a clean uninstall
[19:06]<@jacky> huh?
[19:06]<@jacky> what's that got to do with it?
[19:06]<Darkgrumly> Those registry files were for mIRC only. When I uninstalled mIRC it should have gotten rid of that too
[19:07]<@jacky> can't remember if it does or not
[19:07]<@jacky> I seem to remember that it doesn't clear all from registry... that's how it knows if you are trying to get around the reg thing
[19:07]<Darkgrumly> Well, clearly it doesn't or else I wouldn't be able to see those old variables now
[19:07]<@jacky> but... I'm fuzzy there
[19:08]<@jacky> you said: "I think I manually cleared my harddisk" .. .that means everything is gone. Windows, everything
[19:08]<Darkgrumly> Registry topic makes everybody fuzzy lol
[19:08]<Darkgrumly> No no, I meant search and destroy cleaning
[19:08]<@jacky> ah
[19:08]<@jacky> ok
[19:08]<Darkgrumly> sorry if that confused you
[19:08]<@jacky> it did not confuse me
[19:08]<@jacky> I read it
[19:08]<@jacky> :)
[19:08]<@jacky> I even commented on it
[19:09]<Darkgrumly> Did I fail to respond to something?
[19:09]<@jacky> nope
[19:09]<@jacky> :)
[19:09]<@jacky> ok... time for me to be going
[19:10]<@jacky> anything else, for now?
[19:10]<Darkgrumly> I can't tell, cause you're a fast typer.. not used to that anymore
[19:10]<@jacky> np
[19:10]<@jacky> nothign wrong with asking
[19:10]<@jacky> :)
[19:10]<@jacky> it is called "chat"
[19:10]<@jacky> hehehehe
[19:10]<Darkgrumly> I'll get used to it though :)
[19:10]<@jacky> and minor typos are ok too!
[19:10]<@jacky> har
[19:10]<Darkgrumly> Anyway, great talking to you and I'll surely see you soon
[19:10]<@jacky> cool
[19:10]<@jacky> you too
[19:10]<@jacky> pile up your mIRC questions
[19:10]<@jacky> fun stuff....
[19:11]<@jacky> catch you later
[19:11]<@jacky> 
[19:11]<@jacky> 
[19:11]<Darkgrumly> Cya :)
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[19:11]<Darkgrumly> Erika!!!
[19:11]<Darkgrumly> Time of ignoring is over :P
[19:11]<Darkgrumly> Ok, I deserve this
[19:12]<Darkgrumly> Ah, timestamp!
[19:12]<Darkgrumly> Now where do I find that?
[19:15]<@BC_Programming> right-click the channel in the list of channels/query's and choose timestamp and turn it on
[19:16]<Darkgrumly> You're just a few seconds too late, but thanks anyway :)
[19:16]<Darkgrumly> There's nothing more annoying than not having a timestamp when you have more than 1 window open
[19:51]<Erika> ?
[19:55]<Darkgrumly> Oh hiya Erika :)
[19:57]<Darkgrumly> camerongray?
[20:02]<Erika> ?
[20:03]<Darkgrumly> Just saying hi :)
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[20:11]<Darkgrumly> Hi craig
[20:11]<+Craig> Hello
[20:13]<Darkgrumly> Are you handy with computers?
[20:19]<+Craig> Yes,
[20:19]<+Craig> What did you need?
[20:19]<Darkgrumly> I "need" your opinion on a choice of laptops
[20:20]<Darkgrumly> HP Pavilion g6-2371sd vs Sony Vaio SVE1513C1E
[20:20]<+Craig> That is dependant on if you can fix it yourself, or if you need warrenty?
[20:21]<Darkgrumly> Hmm, I'm not planning on any maintenance by myself
[20:22]<Darkgrumly> Apart from the dust cleaning after warrenty has expired
[20:23]<+Craig> Then which ever you feel has the better specs, since its your question, provde me with the specs.
[20:23]<Darkgrumly> Well, it seems that the HP has better specs, but the Sony has a better benchmark rating, so that's where the doubt comes from
[20:23]<+Craig> Thats up to you then
[20:24]<Darkgrumly> Lol, I know it's up to me, but I was hoping for a little more insight to base my choice on :)
[20:24]<+Craig> Then provide me with the specs
[20:24]<Darkgrumly> http://www.laptopshop.nl/product/277124/category-45702-laptops/hp-pavilion-g6-2371sd.html#product_specifications
[20:25]<Darkgrumly> http://www.laptopshop.nl/product/278565/category-45702-laptops/sony-vaio-sve1513c1e.html#product_specifications
[20:25]<Darkgrumly> Page is in dutch, but you should be able to decypher the specs from it (most is in english anyway)
[20:26]<+Craig> the 7670 would be better, power wise, but the intel does have a bit better specs for gaming
[20:27]<Darkgrumly> "the 7670 would be better", where do you base this on?
[20:28]<Darkgrumly> Cause I've seen advantages to the HP, but it wasn't because of the video card
[20:28]<+Craig> The ATI video card, the 7670, is a slightly more powerful card then the 7650m, which is a mobile card.
[20:29]<+Craig> Sorry their both mobile, the 7670 is more powerful
[20:29]<Darkgrumly> Then could you explain these benchmark results
[20:29]<Darkgrumly> http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php
[20:30]<+Craig> You know what, in the end its your choice, I know the 7670 is better, the benchmark is not always video card biased though, so it could vary on the machine its in.
[20:31]<@BC_Programming> and the manufacturer, particularly for Nvidia cards
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[20:31]<+Craig> Thanks BC<
[20:31]<Darkgrumly> They're both AMD Radion cards, so that's not the case
[20:32]<+Craig> But the manufacturer still applies
[20:32]<Darkgrumly> I understand it's a personal choice in the end, but I'd really like to know how specs on 7670 could be better than 7650M, but the benchmark for the latter is WAY better than the 7670. Surely it's tested on more systems right?
[20:32]<@BC_Programming> I've always been envious of those "%_DEV.0E22%" cards
[20:33]<lucifer> Lol BC_Programming
[20:33]<+Craig> They usually choose one system, and test everything on that to make it hardware neutral, however that does not always work.
[20:33]<lucifer> Darkgrumly the mobile 7670 uses less power meaning it's basically a downclocked full version
[20:34]<Darkgrumly> I guess if I shouldn't listen to the specs or benchmark I'd better listen to you guys, so who's for HP with 7670M and who's for Sony with 7650M?
[20:34]<@BC_Programming> if it's on a laptop it's going to be a mobile adapter btw
[20:35]<+Craig> The choice of hardware is up to you, we won't give you an answer to that extent.
[20:35]<+Craig> We can only tell you what we know about them in the en.
[20:35]<Darkgrumly> Ah come on, do me a favor? ;)
[20:35]<+Craig> end*
[20:35]<Darkgrumly> Which one would you choose?
[20:35]<+Craig> Neither.
[20:35]<Darkgrumly> Lol, I should've seen that coming
[20:36]<Darkgrumly> My budget is only 500 euro and it needs to be a laptop. Do you have another suggestion maybe?
[20:36]<lucifer> I use nvidia stuff
[20:36]<lucifer> Not amd
[20:36]<lucifer> Besides my CPU
[20:36]<+Craig> I have an acer 7551, which I don't use for gaming,
[20:36]<@BC_Programming> 7670M looks better than the 7650M, only 100 passmark units better though
[20:37]<Darkgrumly> The problem is nvidio stuff comes with an addition pricetag here it seems :(
[20:38]<@BC_Programming> I'm kind of disappointed my 9800GT still shows up in there as well as it does
[20:38]<Darkgrumly> Ok, I think I've settled the 7670M over 7650M then, but still the million dollar question... can I do better than either/both of them for 500 euros?
[20:38]<+Craig> The only difference you will notice is the amount of processing power there is on the card, so really its down to what you want.
[20:38]<@BC_Programming> you'd think that things would have moved forward in the last three years
[20:38]<+Craig> Do you like the look of the sony, or the HP
[20:39]<Darkgrumly> Haha, completely irrevant for me Craig, sorry
[20:39]<+Craig> Hahahaha, BC, come on they do gradual to make you think their next line is epic with the 3 percent.
[20:39]<Darkgrumly> Yup, marketing only works in small steps.. sadly
[20:39]<+Craig> Darkgrumly there is no difference between those computers that would make any real matters, they are not that great anyway.
[20:40]<@BC_Programming> 9800GTX+ scores over 200 more than 9800GT... if I had known that I would have used the 9800GTX+ I bought in my computer and given my brother my 9800GT as a present instead heh
[20:41]<+Craig> Bahahaaha
[20:41]<Darkgrumly> I got that point loud and clear Craig, and I won't mention that comparison again, but I didn't get an answer if any of you think I can get better than these for that price? Any suggestions?
[20:41]<+Craig> Where are you from?
[20:41]<Darkgrumly> Netherlands
[20:42]<Darkgrumly> Main supplier is laptopshop.nl, bol.com and dixons.nl
[20:42]<+Craig> Do you have any online stores that you know of with good reputations?
[20:42]<Darkgrumly> see above :)
[20:43]<@BC_Programming> I guess it depends on what you are after... for example I got a laptop a few years ago that was around 700 dollars, and it uses a less-than-stellar Graphics Adapter (Intel GMA) the cost comes from me wanting wireless-N capability and a larger screen
[20:43]<Darkgrumly> 17,3 inch?
[20:43]<+Craig> Any one of these would be good for basics, the closer you get to your price the better, depending on what you need it for.
[20:43]<+Craig> http://www.laptopshop.nl/category/45702/laptops.html?prijs=0-500&3178=15916
[20:44]<@BC_Programming> if you want a better graphics card- either AMD or Nvidia- that's going to mean cutbacks somewhere else and vice-versa is what I mean
[20:45]<+Craig> The Nvidia ones are out of your price range.
[20:45]<Darkgrumly> Good point Craig, there are only 2 for 500 euros and those are the ones I listed lol
[20:45]<@BC_Programming> I also have a laptop that cost 8000 dollars
[20:45]<+Craig> Hahaha, you mean is worth, :P
[20:45]<@BC_Programming> which is less than impressive since it was purchased in 1994 and has a 75Mhz pentium
[20:45]<+Craig> Back in 1979, :P
[20:45]<+Craig> hahahahahaha
[20:45]<@BC_Programming> it doesn't even have MMX
[20:45]<+Craig> Hahaha Nic
[20:45]<+Craig> nice*
[20:46]<@BC_Programming> 8MB of RAM
[20:46]<Darkgrumly> Lol, It would be worth about 400, maybe 600 for antique's sake? :P
[20:46]<@BC_Programming> then it died and I was sad :(
[20:46]<@BC_Programming> I bought another one for parts for $20
[20:46]<Darkgrumly> I'm probably still overpricing it
[20:46]<lucifer> BC_Programming my toshiba satellite 115cs has the same specs
[20:46]<@BC_Programming> my satellite pro 440CDX still works though :D
[20:47]<+Craig> I would recommend getting a laptop that is a year old, with a very high end grapics card, like the 6000 series, or the 400 of the Nvidia.
[20:47]<lucifer> Though my ram on my 115cs has been maxed to 40 mb
[20:47]<Darkgrumly> I wonder.. that 75MHz pentium, could it still run xp with mIRC
[20:47]<Darkgrumly> ?
[20:47]<@BC_Programming> the thinkpad laptop I was referring to also maxed out at 40MB
[20:48]<@BC_Programming> Darkgrumly: probably not, I wouldn't even put win98 on it
[20:48]<lucifer> Mine had 95 on it and ran it barely
[20:48]<+Craig> heheh what about 3.1?
[20:48]<Darkgrumly> That old huh, lol. Love those collectors items
[20:48]<@BC_Programming> it didn't have a working CD-ROM drive anyway
[20:48]<lucifer> Cd drive ... Who needs them
[20:48]<@BC_Programming> Craig: it came with Windows 3.11 and PC-DOS 7 as well as OS/2 Warp
[20:49]<+Craig> Nice
[20:49]<@BC_Programming> OS/2 Warp was neat but eventually I needed the space and removed it
[20:49]<lucifer> My hard drive is a hair under 1 gb
[20:49]<Darkgrumly> PC-DOS 7? Is that the geniune DOS "operating system"?
[20:49]<@BC_Programming> PC-DOS 7 is the IBM-branded version of MS-DOS
[20:50]<lucifer> Darkgrumly yep before microsoft bought it
[20:50]<@BC_Programming> lucifer: no
[20:50]<Darkgrumly> Awesome lol
[20:50]<@BC_Programming> Microsoft never bought it
[20:50]<Darkgrumly> They stole it from us... my preciousss
[20:50]<@BC_Programming> they wrote it, IBM licensed it for the original IBM PC
[20:50]<lucifer> Ok
[20:51]<@BC_Programming> it's based on Tim Patterson's QDOS, which Microsoft had purchased the rights to
[20:51]<lucifer> Yeah
[20:51]<Darkgrumly> Btw, what does IBM do nowadays.. I hardly every see their brand on pc's laptops or even processors
[20:52]<lucifer> Darkgrumly servers and govt stuff
[20:52]<@BC_Programming> IBM never really did anything, they faded back into obscurity relatively fast after they tried to shutdown the clone market with that MCA guff
[20:52]<@BC_Programming> I mean they did do stuff
[20:52]<Darkgrumly> So everything the average consumer won't see, hum
[20:53]<lucifer> I sold my thinkpad
[20:53]<@BC_Programming> mine died
[20:53]<lucifer> XD
[20:53]<@BC_Programming> start with a clean boot disk
[20:53]<@BC_Programming> "Divide Error"
[20:53]<lucifer> Ouch
[20:53]<@BC_Programming> System board had failed, no end to hilarious things that should never happen happening
[20:54]<lucifer> Lol
[20:54]<Darkgrumly> Anyway, I'm off.. have to work in 6 hours. Nice meeting you all and see you guys later
[20:54]<Darkgrumly> Oh and thanks for the advice :)
[20:54]<@BC_Programming> later
[20:54]<lucifer> Later Darkgrumly
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[21:14]<@BC_Programming> http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/13/q2/e61/Pic-1.png
[21:14]<@BC_Programming> inter-galactic shipping is expensive
[21:15]<lucifer> Where did you decide to send it to?
[21:16]<@BC_Programming> I didn't, that's an actual receipt confirmation somebody else submitted to TheDailyWTF
[21:17]<lucifer> WTF
[21:17]<@BC_Programming> thus the site's name
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