Session Start: Tue Apr 09 00:00:00 2013 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[08:02]<+Craig> Hey Jacky
[08:02]<@jacky> Craig: Hello
[08:04]<+camerongray> Hey Craig & jacky
[08:04]<+Craig> Hey Camerongray :)
[08:04]<@jacky> heh
[08:04]<@jacky> camerongray: Hello
[08:21]<+camerongray> Some people need to realise that noone cares about their political beliefs on twitter :P
[08:22]<+camerongray> It's one of my friends, I can't scroll twitter to a position where there isn't a tweet about independance
[08:24]<@jacky> independant from ... what?
[08:24]<+camerongray> He's wants Scotland to be independant from the UK
[08:24]<+camerongray> Big debate going on at the moment
[08:24]<@jacky> a serious nationwide debate? or a twitter debate?
[08:25]<+camerongray> Serious :P
[08:25]<+camerongray> But he keeps tweeting about it and it's driving me mad
[08:25]<@jacky> interesting
[08:25]<@jacky> tell him to talk to us over here. We have experience in that
[08:25]<@jacky> heheheeh
[08:25]<+camerongray> lol!
[08:26]<+camerongray> There's a vote next year about it
[08:26]<@jacky> but .. CAN you secede?
[08:26]<+camerongray> I can't see it
[08:27]<@jacky> I meant legally
[08:27]<+camerongray> Well, legally yes, it's a huge debate at the moment
[08:27]<@jacky> when we tried it 200+ years ago, I guess it wasn't legal. heh
[08:27]<@jacky> it caused a war
[08:27]<+camerongray> But I don't see how it would work, the campaign for it keeps saying we have loads of money coming from oil, but that runs out
[08:28]<@jacky> why does it run out?
[08:28]<+camerongray> Well, oil is a finite resource :P
[08:28]<@jacky> rephrasing: when does it run out?
[08:28]<@jacky> the point is moot, if it runs out in 2700
[08:29]<@jacky> (actually, all resources are finite)
[08:29]<+camerongray> Nah, they are thinking like 40-50 years
[08:29]<@jacky> ok
[08:30]<@jacky> and WHY does he want to secede? (I suspect that he is young and just wants to "do something") hehehehe
[08:30]<+camerongray> A lot of people do, he's going down the "I hate the English and you're not properly Scottish if you don't want independance" route
[08:31]<@jacky> typical
[08:31]<@jacky> not a logical argument, but an emotional one
[08:31]<@jacky> I wonder if he even knows what is behind the emotions, or if he is just caught up in it
[08:31]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:32]<@jacky> me... at my age... now even though I still often feel that my area would be better off as its own state... what I really, really want now - is for people to quit being so f***ing STUPID!
[08:32]<@jacky> they will vote for the dumbest crap
[08:33]<@jacky> all emotion... no thought
[08:33]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:33]<@jacky> change of topic:
[08:33]<@jacky> anybody know anything about pottsi?
[08:33]<+camerongray> I'd like it to be a case that England recognised our existance but independance is far too far :P
[08:33]<@jacky> they dont' recognize your existence??
[08:33]<@jacky> what do they think you are?
[08:34]<+camerongray> Nah, they do but they can be idiots about it - Like the time during the olypics that a BBC radio presenter talked about "Team England"
[08:35]<+camerongray> The guy who won the medal was from Edinburgh :
[08:35]<+camerongray> jacky: According to Facebook, he might have been in NYC around the 24th of march
[08:35]<@jacky> tnx for checking
[08:36]<@jacky> he's been here though... a few days ago
[08:36]<+camerongray> ahh
[08:36]<@jacky> not answering MemoServ or email... I'm concerned
[08:36]<@jacky> do: /msg nickserv info pottsi
[08:37]<@jacky> that guy on the BBC... could have done that on purpose, just to stir things up
[08:37]<@jacky> or.. he could be dumb
[08:37]<+camerongray> It was Radio 1 so... dumb :P
[08:37]<@jacky> ok, I guess. hehe
[08:37]<+camerongray> Hmm, he might just be away :P
[08:37]<@jacky> away from what?
[08:37]<@jacky> irc?
[08:38]<+camerongray> Yeah, or home
[08:38]<+camerongray> He tweeted on the 4th
[08:38]<@jacky> he hasnt' answered email for 2 or three months... I'd have to check
[08:38]<+camerongray> The tweet was about a confrence, he could be there
[08:38]<+camerongray> twitter.com/pottsi1
[08:38]<@jacky> I'll be dumb now... when you go to the Olympics... do you go as Scotland? or the UK ?
[08:39]<+camerongray> Team GB - So UK
[08:39]<@jacky> I see something dated the 4th... but I don't do twitter, so I don't fully understand what I'm looking at
[08:39]<@jacky> ok on UK
[08:40]<@jacky> what is the difference between Great Britain and the UK ?
[08:40]<@jacky> the UK is England, Scotland, and Wales... right?
[08:41]<+camerongray> UK includes northern ireland, GB doesn't
[08:41]<@jacky> is that all? that's the whole difference?
[08:41]<@jacky> wow
[08:42]<@jacky> What is the Queen to Scotland, Wales and N.I. ? we refer to her as the Queen of England.....
[08:43]<@jacky> (you can laugh if you wish. :) )
[08:43]<+camerongray> She's the same as she is in England :P
[08:44]<+camerongray> It's not like she has a say in anything though :P
[08:44]<@jacky> "The Queen of Scotland" ?
[08:44]<@jacky> just doesn't have the same ring to it.....
[08:45]<+camerongray> Ahh, she's just known as the queen
[08:45]<@jacky> maybe that's why. heh
[08:45]<@jacky> what is the Prime Minister (Thatcher is in the news, and made me think of it) to Scotland?
[08:45]<+camerongray> Sort of like how you refer to obama as "The President" wereas we are more likely to say the president of the united states
[08:45]<@jacky> or is that seperate government?
[08:46]<@jacky> I refer to Obama as "<censored>" most of the time. :)
[08:46]<+camerongray> Prime minister also has control of scotland
[08:46]<+camerongray> lol!
[08:46]<+camerongray> Although there is a separate Scottish parliament
[08:46]<+camerongray> aka - The biggest waste of money on a building ever
[08:46]<@jacky> the PM is from the House of Lords?
[08:46]<@jacky> do Scots sit there?
[08:47]<@jacky> or is that an English thing?
[08:47]<+camerongray> Hmm, not sure, I imagine they do though
[08:47]<@jacky> interesting
[08:47]<@jacky> I have read about some of this stuff in the past... it just doesn't stick
[08:48]<@jacky> parliament is a building? I thought it was a legislative body of people
[08:48]<+camerongray> Yeah, but the building they are in cost a ridiculous ammount :P
[08:48]<+camerongray> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Parliament_Building
[08:48]<@jacky> "new" (as in built after 1500) <g>
[08:49]<@jacky> hehehe
[08:49]<+camerongray> lol, it's meant to be all "abstract" and "modern"
[08:49]<@jacky> to you all, it won't even be "used" until 2525
[08:49]<+camerongray> heheeh
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[11:12]<@BC_Programming> being evaluated for the next month for the mext MVP Award Cycle
[11:23]<+camerongray> Nice! You'll be fine
[11:24]<@BC_Programming> I hope so :P
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[11:43]<Tux2> :D
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[11:44]<+camerongray> hey Tux2
[11:44]<+Tux2> Hey camerongray
[11:44]<@BC_Programming> Well here's something funny
[11:44]<+camerongray> Don't call Tux funny :P
[11:44]<@BC_Programming> amongst a lot of the sites MVPs have, mine seems to get like 10 times as many hits
[11:45]<+camerongray> nice!
[11:45]<+camerongray> I'm trying to decide whether it's worth it to continue to learn rails
[11:45]<+Tux2> :D
[11:45]<@BC_Programming> apparently my webhost supports Ruby on Rails
[11:45]<@BC_Programming> at least it's in the cPanel
[11:45]<+camerongray> Some of the stuff seems pointless and I don't like the fact that I have no idea what it's doing in the background
[11:46]<+camerongray> I suppose I may as well play with it, gives a new way of thinking about stuff
[11:46]<+camerongray> Plus, the guy in the video series I'm watching sounds almost exactly the same as Tux2
[11:46]<+Tux2> lol... it's not me, I don't know ruby
[11:47]<+camerongray> Yeah :P
[11:48]<@BC_Programming> apparently Dinnerbone is thinking of making all recipes that take cobblestone in MC take Smooth stone instead, except furnaces
[11:48]<@BC_Programming> And presumably cobble slabs and stairs
[11:48]<+camerongray> He'd probably sound different to you in the same way that you'd probably not be able to identify all the different Scottish accents
[11:48]<+Tux2> BC_Programming: lol, either that's an april fools, or we're going to have some outcry on that
[11:49]<@BC_Programming> no it's serious, just an idea he put on twitter
[11:49]<@BC_Programming> I suggested that if he does that he could make cobble still make tools that are say half-damaged, because cobble is sort of damaged smooth stone
[11:50]<@BC_Programming> then the people that don't want to smelt can just make a few and repair them by crafting
[11:50]<@BC_Programming> at the very least it would be nice of you could at least use stone for some cobble recipes
[11:54]<+Tux2> Yeah
[11:54]<+Tux2> The stone tools with a crafting bench is something you need to do on the go
[12:39]<@BC_Programming> sigh
[12:39]<@BC_Programming> because I joined Enjin how I have 200 pages of results to profiles
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[12:59]<pal> lookin for advice on migrating a win7 install to an OCZ SSD...iv'e read it's not always smooth...
[13:03]<@BC_Programming> ideally you would either reinstall Windows to the SSD
[13:03]<@BC_Programming> Or, you can use a Partition To Partition Copy
[13:08]<pal> Yes...Paragon......
[13:09]<@BC_Programming> That should work. I don't think there are any specific issues with SSD drives, aside from them usually being quite a bit smaller
[13:10]<pal> But i've read that SSD's don't recognise sectors per se' because it's not a physical HDD...
[13:11]<+Tux2> It should work
[13:11]<+Tux2> besides, if you're cloning and it doesn't work, it's not like you destroyed the original data
[13:12]<@BC_Programming> To software, SSDs are just like your standard HDD, just a lot faster
[13:14]<pal> Not worried about the data ...worried about the procedure....my friend spent an entire eve. on this and the PC would not boot...according to him he did everything right.
[13:18]<pal> Valid verified image...cloned it to the SSD...nothing.
[13:23]<pal> any thoughts ? /
[13:24]<@BC_Programming> the source drive might have a recovery or system partition separate from the windows install
[13:24]<@BC_Programming> that's all I can think of
[13:25]<@BC_Programming> If you have a windows Disc you could try running a repair using it
[13:26]<pal> Missing the point. valid paragon backup image cloned to a brand new OCZ SSD HDD...did not work at all.
[13:26]<@BC_Programming> backup image is a partition
[13:26]<@BC_Programming> drives occasionally have UEFI partitions separate from the system install partition, as well as recovery partitions, which hold the actual boot files
[13:27]<pal> The image creates the partition
[13:45]<+Tux2> pal, if it's not working, reload windows
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[14:25]<pal> will do...but all the apps and data will be gone...i was hopin there was a method to make it work...thanx.
[14:53]<+camerongray> Hmm
[14:53]<+camerongray> Is the SSD smaller then the source drive?
[15:08]<pal> Nope.
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[15:27]<+camerongray> pal: In that case I would try using Clonezilla - That's what I use
[15:47]<pal> clonezilla failed thats why i did Paragon.
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[17:06]<@BC_Programming> this selective copy tool is more complicated than I thought it would be
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[17:37]<@BC_Programming> ok doke
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[17:38]<lucifer> He's been randomly joining and quitting
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[17:58]<+camerongray> hmm
[17:58]<@BC_Programming> he's spying on you camerongray
[17:59]<+camerongray> lol
[17:59]<+camerongray> Me and him are on good terms now
[17:59]<+camerongray> If it was patio on the other hand...
[18:00]<@BC_Programming> then he might be kicked :P
[18:03]<+camerongray> Oh, please do
[18:03]<+camerongray> All mighty admin BC
[18:03]<@BC_Programming> heh
[18:03]<@BC_Programming> technically Jacky owns the channel :P
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[18:04]<+camerongray> lol!
[18:05]<@BC_Programming> well it's true
[18:09]<+camerongray> yeah
[18:10]<+camerongray> He's your boss
[18:10]<+camerongray> I wonder how Steve's getting on
[18:10]<+camerongray> While there was problems, He was still a nice guy
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[19:47]<@BC_Programming> new thing to learn about: C# Code contracts
[19:48]<Erika> C++
[19:49]<@BC_Programming> ?
[19:49]<@BC_Programming> I said what I meant.
[19:51]<Erika> C++ is better
[19:51]<@BC_Programming> How so
[19:51]<Erika> and vb.net is even better
[19:51]<@BC_Programming> How so
[19:51]<Erika> easy
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[19:53]<@BC_Programming> that's the extent of your argument? some fictitious idea that VB.NET is "easier"?
[19:54]<Erika> graphicaly friendly, suggests code, suggests fix errors
[19:54]<@BC_Programming> Yes, I know those are in C# and VB.NET
[19:55]<Erika> more graphical in general and behind the scenes coding
[19:56]<@BC_Programming> Visual Basic.NET is no more "graphical" nor does it provide extra designer code than C#.
[19:58]<@BC_Programming> I definitely prefer 'Something.EventName+=AddedHandler;' to 'AddHandler Something, AddressOf AddedHandler'
[19:59]<@BC_Programming> (though mostly because AddressOf hasn't made sense since VB6
[20:00]<@BC_Programming> oh! And VB.NET has XML Literals, could be useful for something dealing heavily with XML, this is really useful for ASP.NET stuff
[20:01]<Erika> but i like that i can ushally guess code in vb.net
[20:02]<@BC_Programming> ahh that's subjective then, it's just because you've learned VB.NET, but not C#. It's easier <for you> which is fine. Other than that the languages are pretty much equal
[20:03]<@BC_Programming> exceptions being of course VB having XML Literals and Exception clause filters, and C# having multi-line delegates and lambdas
[20:04]<Erika> like when i had 2 buttons on a dropdown menu item thingy, they did IRC show and IRC hide, but i also had a checkbox at the bottom for it, so to get the checkbox to check itself when the button was clicked i put checkbox1.checked = true in the buttons actions
[20:04]<Erika> it totaly worked
[20:04]<@BC_Programming> "buttons actions"?
[20:05]<@BC_Programming> Assuming you are referring to the event handler, than the C# version would have been the same, just ending with a semicolon as all C# statements do
[20:06]<Erika> thats stupid
[20:07]<@BC_Programming> what is stupid?
[20:07]<Erika> having to add a stupid semicolon
[20:07]<@BC_Programming> If you are referring to statement terminators, you will find that Visual Basic is the Exception, rather than the rule.
[20:08]<Erika> and my teacher makes things hard
[20:09]<@BC_Programming> How so?
[20:09]<Erika> she puts #include <iostream.h>
[20:09]<Erika> and
[20:09]<Erika> #include <conio.h>
[20:09]<Erika> and
[20:10]<Erika> #include <stdlib.h> followed by void main and an opening {
[20:10]<@BC_Programming> Your teacher is not teaching you C++ then... conio.h is a C library!
[20:10]<@BC_Programming> same with stdlib.h as well
[20:10]<Erika> shes retarded that way
[20:12]<Erika> so i took out the last two and put #include <iostream> and then another line, i forgot, and then change void main to int main and set the integer
[20:12]<@BC_Programming> technically the entrypoint has to be int main(int argc, char** args) to be valid C++, but I think most compilers let you use a void return type and no args
[20:13]<Erika> proving im smarter then my teacher according to ur statement and my last 1
[20:14]<@BC_Programming> not necessarily, your main is still non-standard :P but you did fix the include, that is something
[20:16]<Erika> meow
[20:16]<@BC_Programming> WOOF
[20:17]<Erika> meow?
[20:17]<lucifer> Mooo
[20:18]<Erika> mewww
[20:31]<+Tux2> shlurp
[20:32]<@BC_Programming> don't you start
[20:32]<@BC_Programming> :P
[20:32]<+Tux2> lol
[20:40]<+Tux2> my laptop is burning up at the moment
[20:40]<+Tux2> So I turned on my cooling pad
[20:41]<lucifer> Is it working?
[20:45]<+Tux2> lol, yes
[20:45]<+Tux2> I forgot that I didn't have my cooling pad plugged in
[20:46]<lucifer> Smart one Einstein
[21:00]<@BC_Programming> So I guess I actually can use AJAX and Javascript
[21:00]<@BC_Programming> http://bc-programming.com/quotes/quotes.html
[21:00]<@BC_Programming> simple but I didn't have to look anything up for it so evidently I have some understanding
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[23:56]<+Tux2> BC_Programming: you there?
[23:56]<@BC_Programming> I am
[23:56]<+Tux2> Any way to pop up a window behind everything to re-authenticate?
[23:57]<+Tux2> for the sharepoint stuff
[23:57]<@BC_Programming> Probably