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[10:07]<+Tux2> hey BC_Programming
[10:07]<@BC_Programming> ahoy
[10:08]<+Tux2> I've been reading your speed comparison series
[10:08]<@BC_Programming> ahh yeah I posted what I have so far on FB iirc
[10:10]<+Tux2> I'd have to say, seeing php clock in at around 118 seconds didn't surprise me
[10:10]<@BC_Programming> lol
[10:11]<@BC_Programming> I have to admit I was a bit surprised... the factor between it and pretty much everything else I've tested is just insane
[10:11]<+Tux2> lol, php isn't known for it's speed for sorting
[10:12]<+Tux2> If I needed something sorted I had the mysql query do that for me
[10:12]<@BC_Programming> you think it was the sorting of the string that was the issue?
[10:13]<+Tux2> Not quite sure, I would have to look it over again
[10:14]<+Tux2> It's funny though that python beat java
[10:14]<@BC_Programming> I think that's because more of the functionality the algorithm uses is in the language itself, which is C
[10:15]<@BC_Programming> iirc I had to write sorting and whatnot in Java myself, and I think I used bubble-sort, so that could be a big factor
[10:15]<+Tux2> ah
[10:16]<@BC_Programming> should probably revisit that, could probably be made a lot faster
[10:16]<+Tux2> I've got Nat/drkabob working on a little project for me in python
[10:17]<@BC_Programming> whats that?
[10:17]<+Tux2> It's going to query minecraft servers
[10:17]<@BC_Programming> ahh! here we go... instead of writing my own sort method I should be using Arrays.sort()
[10:17]<+Tux2> lol!
[10:21]<@BC_Programming> well that's confusing, it's actually slower that way :/
[10:27]<+Tux2> heh
[10:27]<+Tux2> I know how to speed it up: use a faster machine!
[10:27]<+Tux2> ;)
[10:28]<@BC_Programming> I know why it's slower, according to Array.sort(), it uses quickSort, which is usually slower with fewer elements than Bubble or Insertion Sort
[10:28]<+camerongray> Nice!
[10:32]<+camerongray> I've never really used python
[10:32]<+camerongray> Not a fan of its syntax, same with Ruby
[10:54]<+Tux2> lol, it's better than php for what I need it for
[10:56]<+Tux2> I don't really want to fork a huge amount of threads in php
[10:56]<+Tux2> or have the overhead of the JVM
[10:56]<@BC_Programming> but python doesn't have threads as far as I recall
[10:56]<@BC_Programming> except stackless python methinks
[10:57]<+Tux2> lol, evidently you can, because he is doing it
[10:58]<@BC_Programming> ahh there is a Threading module
[11:26]<+Tux2> It doesn't work that well, but the other option was using a ram hogger like java
[11:26]<+Tux2> or as well as true threads
[11:26]<+Tux2> but for what we need it for it works
[11:26]<@BC_Programming> Threading module seems to use actual threads, but it might be coroutines, don't know
[11:27]<+Tux2> Well, threads in python can get locked pretty easily
[11:27]<+Tux2> as in, they depend too much on other threads, so they sleep
[11:42]<@BC_Programming> haha... was mining in MC... my armour broke... normally one would have to make some more
[11:42]<@BC_Programming> but I just put the full set of leather armour I got from mobs in the meantime
[12:10]<+Tux2> lol
[12:12]<@BC_Programming> I like how they changed skeletons
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[15:05]<@Mulreay> F'ing adobe updates every time I restart one of my computers
[15:06]<@Mulreay> What's that all about
[15:06]<@BC_Programming> adobe updates?
[15:06]<@BC_Programming> auto-updaters annoy me
[15:06]<@BC_Programming> I think I get that too... it's all like "OMG guy there's an update to Flash!"
[15:06]<@BC_Programming> and I'm all like "piss off you wanker"
[15:07]<+camerongray> lol
[15:07]<+camerongray> Java too, it NEVER seems to update
[15:07]<@BC_Programming> there's that jusched thing
[15:07]<@BC_Programming> I have no idea what it does because I always disable it
[15:07]<+camerongray> ahh
[15:07]<@BC_Programming> and the google updater
[15:08]<@BC_Programming> I can get behind programs that check for updates when you start them. that go "hey there's a new version" and ask if you want to update
[15:08]<@Mulreay> I have it set to 'notify me to install' which I would say I have to constantly set after every update. It's like it has no friends so everytime you restart it's like 'Hi, just wondered what you were up to.. erm flash needs doing again if you have a minute?' So needy
[15:08]<@BC_Programming> what I don't like are the ones that decide you NEED to have the latest version
[15:08]<@BC_Programming> Mulreay: indeed... my thoughts on the Windows updates in 7 and earlier
[15:09]<@BC_Programming> "Windows needs to restart to complete updates"
[15:09]<@BC_Programming> you can postpone it
[15:09]<@Mulreay> Yeah
[15:09]<@BC_Programming> it has like... remind me in 10 minutes, 1 hour, 2 hours, or 4 hours
[15:09]<@BC_Programming> but there is no "i'll do it when I damn well feel like it" option
[15:09]<+camerongray> Oh yeah
[15:09]<@Mulreay> Exactly
[15:10]<+camerongray> The number of times one of those has come up behind XBMC on my HTPC and rebooted it during a programme...
[15:10]<@BC_Programming> I always disable the automatic updates for that reason, I'll have them download but not install
[15:10]<@BC_Programming> except to be insulting apparently Windows Update will sometimes be like "oh no! you don't have it set to automatic... here I'll fix that silently for you... whew you dodged a real bullet there"
[15:10]<+camerongray> That's probably an idea for my HTPC, real pain when it does it
[15:10]<@Mulreay> Well Feck me now Java wants a pissin update
[15:10]<@BC_Programming> don't forget the uncheck the ask toolbar
[15:11]<@Mulreay> Always do but thatnks for the reminder
[15:11]<@Mulreay> thanks*
[15:11]<@BC_Programming> I forget sometimes
[15:11]<@Mulreay> I bet loads of people fall for that
[15:11]<@BC_Programming> see I think for some reason that Oracle, being that they are like a billion dollar company, wouldn't need to do that
[15:11]<@BC_Programming> silly me huh
[15:12]<@BC_Programming> like the setup screen is all like "Java runs on billions of devices worldwide"
[15:12]<@Mulreay> That's it really I mean what can they really earn from that? Compared to there normal income? Why do it?
[15:12]<@BC_Programming> and I can imagine a footnote saying "and we ask if they want a toolbar on all of them"
[15:12]<@BC_Programming> I figure somebody there thought "hey, we could make almost 20 dollars doing this"
[15:13]<@Mulreay> I can understand indie devs doing it on small programmes but on Java? Makes no sense
[15:14]<+camerongray> Yeah
[15:14]<@Mulreay> Awesome it would seem MS has also altered my Skype settings so that it now starts on startup even though I've always had it set to never
[15:14]<@Mulreay> Going to be one of those days
[15:14]<+camerongray> I remember on Monday walking in to our Java lecture, lecturer has Firefox open on the projector as a message pops up "This addon is known to cause security and stability problems: Java" - WHOLE lecture theatre erupts in laughter
[15:15]<@Mulreay> lol
[15:15]<@BC_Programming> I think the last time I updated Java I got "McAfee Security Scanner"
[15:15]<@Mulreay> McAfee does not like to be uninstalled at all
[15:16]<+camerongray> Aww! They missed it in the lecture recording
[15:16]<@BC_Programming> I think I found it in add/remove.... though I might have just removed it's auto-run stuff so it never get's run or anything and left it at that
[15:17]<@BC_Programming> well can't find it now, guess I did get rid of it
[15:17]<@BC_Programming> I probably don't remember because I did it while I was in hulk mode
[15:17]<@Mulreay> I tried an add/remove on McAfee as it came with this laptop when I bought it.. left the firewall and other 'reminders' in place.. had to completely re-install full McAfee and then uninstall all the other crap it left behind
[15:18]<@BC_Programming> "Don't make me angry... you won't like me when I'm angry... WHAT? SECURITY SCANNER AAAAUGH BC SMASH!"
[15:18]<@Mulreay> lol
[15:19]<@BC_Programming> "If you do not wish to install the Ask Toolbar, you can remove the check in the box. If selected, the Ask Toolbar will be installed a few minutes after the Java installation has completed to ensure that Java has installed successfully. "
[15:19]<@BC_Programming> Why is it checked to begin with Oracle? BC SMASH
[15:20]<@BC_Programming> oh wow, it also sets it as the default Search provider that's some top rate douchebaggery
[15:21]<@Mulreay> OK if I get PITB off the ground that will be a company comment. 'That needs a BC SMASH'
[15:21]<@BC_Programming> haha
[15:22]<@BC_Programming> Then it will become a thing, like the Harlem Shake but not stupid
[15:22]<@Mulreay> Heh yeah
[15:23]<@BC_Programming> if Java is a hotel, the ask toolbar is like a hotel in California going "here, take this free map of Anchorage, Alaska"
[15:23]<@Mulreay> Oh FECK off!! Now whatpulse wants an update.. getting bored of this
[15:23]<@BC_Programming> well at least Whatpulse doesn't suck
[15:24]<@BC_Programming> speaking of which I have like a million keys to Pulse
[15:24]<@Mulreay> true
[15:24]<@BC_Programming> "your savefile seems to be corrupt"
[15:24]<@Mulreay> The new whatpulse auto pulses for me now
[15:24]<@BC_Programming> curse you whatpulse!
[15:24]<@BC_Programming> now what am I going to do to pretend to be better than others because I type and use my PC a lot?
[15:24]<@Mulreay> I've lost a shed load myself to stuff like that
[15:25]<@Mulreay> haha so true.. but in a small part of your mind you do care a bit
[15:25]<@Mulreay> OK PC had been up for 10 days so I will give it credit that updates were likely
[15:26]<@BC_Programming> Mine has been up 5... there was that stint I had it up for almost a full year, good times
[15:26]<@BC_Programming> I think it was something like 310 days
[15:26]<@Mulreay> Think I will run a malwarebytes whilst nothing is running just for the sake of it..
[15:26]<@BC_Programming> "malware bytes update available"
[15:26]<@Mulreay> 355 days ago :p
[15:28]<@Mulreay> Always an update from them but for a valid reason
[15:28]<@BC_Programming> indeed
[15:29]<@Mulreay> Journey is winning loads of BAFTA awards tonight. Awesome, probably my favourite ever game
[15:31]<@BC_Programming> oh wow Whatpulse tracks more stuff now, like network traffic
[15:32]<@Mulreay> yeah pretty cool
[15:36]<@Mulreay> Wow look at my download :p
[15:36]<@Mulreay> 169.34GB
[15:37]<@BC_Programming> heh
[15:37]<@Mulreay> I would hate to know how much it's been since I started on Whatpulse
[15:38]<@BC_Programming> WOW
[15:38]<@BC_Programming> wow
[15:38]<@BC_Programming> seriously MS?
[15:38]<@BC_Programming> seriously?
[15:38]<@BC_Programming> A while back they sent me some information on how to convert a Wordpress blog to a win8 app
[15:38]<@BC_Programming> and I was thinking, oh that's neat I guess I could give that a go
[15:38]<@BC_Programming> and I did, then I gave up because the instructions were stupid and it wanted me to install a plugin that was like 3 years out of date
[15:39]<@BC_Programming> so I said balls to it... figured that was the end of that
[15:39]<@BC_Programming> Just got this:
[15:39]<@BC_Programming> Hello Michael,
[15:39]<@BC_Programming> Im just following up on our previous note. Since we havent heard back a technical specialist will follow up to see if they can provide assistance in converting your blog to a Windows 8 app should you require help.
[15:39]<@BC_Programming> I almost expect "if you do not comply assassins will be deployed. This is your final warning"
[15:40]<@Mulreay> Or Master Chief will knock on your door
[15:40]<@BC_Programming> I ahve to "opt out" of it... seriously wtf
[15:40]<@BC_Programming> though in retrospect I have to say I did give up easily
[15:41]<@BC_Programming> "this part is slightly harder than cutting butter with a hot knife. this is dumb I give up" pretty much summarizes it
[15:41]<@Mulreay> heh
[15:41]<@Mulreay> Our online whatpulse team is looking a little 'lite'
[15:42]<@BC_Programming> I'll give this win8 app thing one more go
[15:43]<@BC_Programming> because it would be pretty neat to have an app on the windows store for my blog... apparently MS thinks so too though probably for marketing reasons
[15:43]<@BC_Programming> I mean really they could put that on the win8 box
[15:43]<@BC_Programming> "App for BASeCamp Programming Blog available now!"
[15:44]<@BC_Programming> people would be like "I don't know what that is, but I'm an avid mountain climber"
[15:44]<@Mulreay> I like how people Haha at there own comments on Facebook and Twitter.. it's probably worse than a Lol at the end of every sentence as you seem to laughed at your own joke.
[15:44]<@BC_Programming> I wonder if MS ppl saw me complain about the Metropress thing
[15:44]<+camerongray> good point lol
[15:44]<+camerongray> Hey Mulreay lol
[15:44]<@Mulreay> heh
[15:45]<@BC_Programming> haha! lol
[15:45]<+camerongray> I do say lol too much
[15:45]<@BC_Programming> you sure do lol
[15:45]<@BC_Programming> it can replace the period sometimes lol
[15:45]<@Mulreay> I barely say it unless it's a full sentence
[15:45]<+camerongray> One of my friends caught on to it
[15:45]<+camerongray> VERY dangerous to say lol to him
[15:45]<@BC_Programming> also I notice when I say lol I never actually laughed out loud. I'm living a lie
[15:45]<@BC_Programming> living a lie= lal
[15:46]<@Mulreay> I hate it.. I don't mind a one off 'Lol' as an answer but to include it after your own sentence is just self appreciating
[15:47]<@BC_Programming> wait a second I'm going to need a serious privacy policy
[15:47]<@Mulreay> I use 'heh' as that was funny and 'lol' as that was pritty good when it comes to humour
[15:47]<@BC_Programming> darn
[15:47]<@BC_Programming> I rather liked the one regarding ducks
[15:49]<@Mulreay> And sometimes with a 'lol' I do snicker a bit when I read it.. but 'sol' doesn't have the same ring to it as people may think I'm talking about the Sun after every funny comment. like I find the Sun the funniest thing ever and I compare you to it
[15:49]<@BC_Programming> or shite out of luck
[15:51]<@BC_Programming> this is what they want me to install: wordpress.org/extend/plugins/json-api
[15:51]<@BC_Programming> "this plugin hasn't been updated in over 2 years"
[15:51]<+camerongray> I remember saying lol to this guy in a lecture - Got a photo back of him holding the knife on his multitool up to his webcam followed by "I will cut you"
[15:52]<+camerongray> I will add that he was also in the same lecture
[15:54]<@BC_Programming> hey wait a second I already have that plugin installed
[15:54]<@BC_Programming> oh great... I have to fiddle with the internals if I self-host wordpress
[15:55]<@BC_Programming> not sure why I missed these instructions previously... oh well.
[15:55]<+Tux2> lol
[15:57]<@BC_Programming> hmm I think perhaps my issue is that my blog is at bc-programming.com/blogs/ and the examples all assume it's the main site
[15:57]<@Mulreay> Hey Tux2 you said my name the other day but I wasn't around. As it was day or so ago I could forgive you not knowing what the hell I'm talking about. Your message: Mulreay!
[15:57]<+Tux2> lol
[15:57]<@BC_Programming> I suppose I could cheat and use blog.bc-programming.com, assuming I haven't broken the CNAME for it
[15:57]<@Mulreay> It seemed urgent
[15:58]<@BC_Programming> oh hey blog.bc-programming.com does go to my blog. amazing
[15:58]<@BC_Programming> It's like I thought of this before and did that and then forgot and just went with the /blogs/ part because I'm lazy
[15:58]<@Mulreay> heh
[15:58]<+Tux2> lol, was just wondering what was the status for the Pixels in the Blood was
[16:00]<@BC_Programming> ahh yep I think my problem was I opened the project/solution and decided to just wander around and change urls to point to my site
[16:00]<+Tux2> I'm getting a raspberry pi for free
[16:00]<@BC_Programming> then had a fit when that didn't work and stopped
[16:00]<+Tux2> Thanks to Amazon gift cards. :D
[16:00]<@BC_Programming> Tux2: nice!
[16:02]<@Mulreay> Tux2: Email has been to sent to Scott Henson from Microsoft and he's interested in funding the project but they have a department that deals with this called the 'something Ff Something or another' can't remember off the top of my head. But it's looking good. It's a slow process in the beggining as I'm sure you know.
[16:02]<+Tux2> Yup
[16:02]<+Tux2> Good to know it's going forward
[16:02]<@Mulreay> Yeah
[16:03]<@Mulreay> My brother runs LAN parties in Australia so he's also now throwing himself into it to get marketing
[16:04]<@Mulreay> All looking good and strong
[16:04]<@BC_Programming> sigh... this Metropress thing is freaking garbage
[16:05]<@BC_Programming> the entire thing is done in really messy Javascript and errors when I run it
[16:05]<@BC_Programming> no idea why.... I followed all the frikkin instructions
[16:10]<@BC_Programming> sigh
[16:10]<@BC_Programming> I haven't got the first F-ing clue what is going on
[16:10]<@BC_Programming> Why couldn't they write the fecking app in C#? Why Javascript
[16:10]<+Tux2> lol
[16:11]<@BC_Programming> It's like I've been tossed into a pot of stew and asked to find all the carrots and I don't know what a carrot looks like
[16:11]<@Mulreay> heh
[16:11]<+Tux2> heh
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[16:11]<@BC_Programming> all I can do is start the instructions over...
[16:12]<@Mulreay> I want to know why iTunes is so counterintuitive. After every update I can't work out what to do anymore to move music around
[16:12]<@BC_Programming> it works with the default site ideanotion.net so I know it's not broken or anything
[16:12]<+Tux2> lol, the solution is simple, stop using itunes
[16:13]<@Mulreay> There is that Tux2
[16:13]<@BC_Programming> I use WinAmp :D
[16:13]<@Mulreay> I only use it because I have an iPod
[16:13]<@BC_Programming> Excuses!
[16:13]<@Mulreay> heh
[16:15]<@BC_Programming> oh I think I discovered where I balls'd up
[16:15]<@BC_Programming> *crosses his fingers
[16:15]<@Mulreay> And there is about 14gb of music in the library so re-organising all of that would be a pain
[16:16]<@BC_Programming> my music folder is 29GB
[16:16]<@BC_Programming> I WIN!
[16:17]<@Mulreay> Mmm I have 25.8gb in my folder but not all of it is added to iTunes
[16:17]<@BC_Programming> though some music is duplicated in both mp3 and flac...
[16:17]<@Mulreay> The 14gb is what is in the iTunes library
[16:18]<@BC_Programming> now I enter the dark and mysterious world of wordpress categories
[16:18]<@Mulreay> WALK AWAY! Right now.. only a mad man could work out that process
[16:19]<@BC_Programming> no I am determined, like the adventurers before me
[16:19]<@Mulreay> heh
[16:19]<@BC_Programming> I shall walk over the skeletons and ignore the warnings of the spirits warning me away "Turn back, before it is too late" they say, and I spit on their corpse and say "you just weren't MAN enough to take the power of wordpress categories"
[16:20]<@Mulreay> heh
[16:20]<@BC_Programming> then I take off my stilletos to get across a nearby bridge
[16:20]<@Mulreay> Darwin would be proud.. you have stept upon the path to new ways of thinking and discovery
[16:21]<@Mulreay> I feel for you
[16:30]<@Mulreay> iTunes makes want to scream into a pillow.
[16:30]<@Mulreay> me*
[16:31]<@BC_Programming> well that didn't work
[16:31]<@BC_Programming> no idea why
[16:31]<@BC_Programming> ""Recent News NaN" and "Categories NaN" show up and two loading spinners that never finish
[16:31]<@BC_Programming> man isn't javascript great I really love how it never gives you errors
[16:39]<+Tux2> lol
[16:39]<+Tux2> Just open up the firefox console
[16:39]<+Tux2> You'll have plenty!
[16:45]<@BC_Programming> I'm talkign about in a stupid Windows 8 UI application
[16:45]<@BC_Programming> Javascript is such garbage... why the hell did they write this in Javascript
[16:46]<@BC_Programming> it's tossing around anonymous prototypes and functions everywhere
[16:47]<@BC_Programming> the url it's trying to access WORKS... I just ran it through the debugger and got what it requests.... it retrieves json... where the hell it's using that JSON I have no idea
[16:48]<@BC_Programming> nor do I know why the titles of all the tiles are having NaN appended to them
[16:48]<@BC_Programming> "easy to configure" my butt
[16:51]<@BC_Programming> JSON is being returned...
[16:52]<@BC_Programming> and then it ignoresi t
[16:52]<@BC_Programming> this is top quality work here, I say sarcastically
[16:53]<@BC_Programming> why the feck do they expect the json to have a "status" entry? the Wordpress JSON doesn't return it so what are they smoking
[17:04]<@BC_Programming> JSON API plugin doesn't work properly, hmm
[17:06]<@BC_Programming> HAHA! there was some other JSON API Plugin I had installed that was superceding the one I was supposed to be using
[17:06]<@BC_Programming> so it wasn't the Win8 App at all :S
[17:07]<@BC_Programming> I declare partial victory
[17:07]<@BC_Programming> as it is now actually loading stuff from my blog :D
[17:13]<@BC_Programming> mwahaha... now to use Photoshop and twaddle about with all the images to BASeCampify them
[17:47]<@BC_Programming> http://bc-programming.com/images/basecampblog.png
[17:47]<@BC_Programming> TADA!
[17:47]<@BC_Programming> I need to put a pic on all my posts for coolness
[18:15]<+camerongray> nice!
[18:19]<@BC_Programming> yep, that was a waste of time- I cannot actually put it on the Windows Store
[18:19]<@BC_Programming> I get a free Dev License, so the $49.00 (WTF?) isn't a problem, but it still requires a credit card number
[18:21]<@BC_Programming> I think this is why I stopped before, figured out that I wouldn't be able to submit it anyway
[18:23]<@BC_Programming> well that was a wasted afternoon then... oh well
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[21:08]<+Tux2> Oh, the latest humble bundle is out. :D
[21:09]<@BC_Programming> you mean the one from Mojam or one after that
[21:13]<+Tux2> The one after that
[21:13]<@BC_Programming> oh cool
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