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[04:04]<@BC_Programming> SUP PEEPS
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[07:09]<+camerongray> Hey pottsi
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[07:09]<+pottsi> ohai
[07:09]<+camerongray> Do you have any experience with colocation?
[07:10]<+pottsi> with servers?
[07:10]<+pottsi> somewhat
[07:10]<+camerongray> Yeah
[07:10]<+pottsi> sup
[07:11]<+camerongray> Looking for cheap UK colocation, found some with Burst with 0.4a power
[07:11]<+camerongray> What sort of spec could I run from that?
[07:11]<+camerongray> 230v
[07:11]<+camerongray> To me it seems like I couldn't run much but surely it's enough to do something devent
[07:11]<+camerongray> decent*
[07:11]<+pottsi> hmm, wouldn't be able to run much
[07:12]<+pottsi> got a link?
[07:12]<+camerongray> http://www.burstnet.eu/colocate.shtml
[07:13]<+pottsi> and what server do you have?
[07:13]<+camerongray> None yet, planning on building one
[07:13]<+camerongray> Looking at at least quad core, 16gb RAM and dual HDD
[07:13]<+pottsi> honestly
[07:13]<+pottsi> i wouldn't recommend it
[07:14]<+camerongray> yeah
[07:14]<+pottsi> you've got to buy/build your server
[07:14]<+pottsi> ship it
[07:14]<+camerongray> Yeah
[07:14]<+pottsi> then pay another 40 quid to host it
[07:14]<+pottsi> you've still pay repair costs if it goes down
[07:14]<+camerongray> Could get a dedi for around the same price
[07:15]<+pottsi> http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-ex/
[07:15]<+pottsi> you sure could
[07:15]<+pottsi> my dedi
[07:15]<+camerongray> Yeah, looking at them :P
[07:15]<+pottsi> 4s
[07:15]<+pottsi> decent company
[07:15]<+pottsi> there networking is complicated though
[07:15]<+camerongray> It's a pain, there are 2 Datacenters in edinburgh but they are the "We don't give you pricing" type
[07:16]<+pottsi> i would quite like to host my own in a datacenter
[07:16]<+camerongray> Yeah
[07:16]<+pottsi> but for now dedi's do my thing
[07:17]<+camerongray> Same
[07:17]<+camerongray> Dedis are fine but I quite like the idea of having my own hardware
[07:17]<+pottsi> me till
[07:17]<+pottsi> untill it fails
[07:17]<+pottsi> xD
[07:17]<+camerongray> Yeah :P
[07:17]<+pottsi> i would honestly recommend hetzner
[07:17]<+pottsi> i have both dedi's from there
[07:17]<+camerongray> We have a couple of colocated racks at work, They always seem to go down at the worst time
[07:18]<+pottsi> hehe
[07:18]<+pottsi> they woouldn't let you rack there?
[07:18]<+camerongray> hmm, not sure
[07:18]<+camerongray> Might do but then there's the issue of billing
[07:18]<+camerongray> And me breaking stuff :P
[07:19]<+pottsi> ahh
[07:19]<+camerongray> What do you use your servers for?
[07:19]<+pottsi> debian with xen
[07:20]<+camerongray> Cool
[07:20]<+pottsi> meh
[07:20]<+pottsi> sorry mis read
[07:20]<+pottsi> i split them to vps's combination of work
[07:20]<+pottsi> and f
[07:20]<+pottsi> fun*
[07:20]<+camerongray> Ahh - That's what I plan to do
[07:20]<+pottsi> hosting
[07:20]<+pottsi> ircd's
[07:20]<+pottsi> blah blah
[07:21]<+camerongray> Yeah, I'd love to start a host
[07:21]<+camerongray> Cheap VPSs and shared.etc
[07:21]<+pottsi> i've been working on this company for near 2 years now
[07:21]<+camerongray> It't having to provide support that's the problem
[07:21]<+pottsi> times a <censored>
[07:21]<+pottsi> stfu!
[07:21]<+camerongray> lol
[07:22]<+camerongray> How do hetzner work with additional IPs?
[07:23]<+camerongray> Presuming I'd need a few for VPSs
[07:23]<+pottsi> it's <censored> setting that up
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[07:23]<+camerongray> lol
[07:23]<pottsi> t(-_-t)
[07:23]<pottsi> umm
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[07:23]<+pottsi> it took me just over 2 months to figure it out
[07:24]<+camerongray> Ahh
[07:24]<+pottsi> and it's stil not 100% now
[07:24]<+pottsi> if you order a subnet from them
[07:24]<+pottsi> it's on a different range than your main ip
[07:24]<+pottsi> you can't bridge because they use mac drops
[07:25]<+pottsi> if the mac don't match it drops the packet
[07:25]<+pottsi> so only option is route
[07:25]<+camerongray> Ahh
[07:25]<+pottsi> they don't supply virtual mac's with a sebnet :/
[07:25]<+pottsi> subnet*
[07:25]<+camerongray> Ahh, hmm
[07:26]<+pottsi> if you do order from them i can help you set the subnet up
[07:26]<+camerongray> Ahh, cool
[07:26]<+camerongray> Will have a think
[07:27]<+pottsi> :)
[07:27]<+camerongray> Need to work out what to do with the additional capacity
[07:27]<+camerongray> I'd love to sell space but don't know where to start
[07:27]<+pottsi> word of mouth is always a good palce
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[07:29]<+camerongray> yeah
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[07:36]<+camerongray> pottsi, What's your company>
[07:39]<+pottsi> it's not online atm, i removed it before i got this server
[07:39]<+camerongray> ahh
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[14:50]<+camerongray> I love DataShack
[14:51]<+camerongray> Colocation is $45/mo
[14:51]<+camerongray> With good power and bandwidth
[14:51]<+camerongray> I contact them about it, They are perfectly happy for me to send them a server directly from the supplier and they will set it all up
[14:51]<+camerongray> I can even send additional RAM and HDDs
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[19:04]<@BC_Programming> what's up ppl
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[19:18]<lucifer> Not much BC_Programming
[19:19]<@BC_Programming> that much seems clear
[19:19]<lucifer> I was playing halo 1 on windows 7
[19:20]<@BC_Programming> how is that significant
[19:20]<@BC_Programming> It works fine for me as well
[19:20]<lucifer> It used to not work at all at one point
[19:20]<@BC_Programming> Not that I'm very fond of it though, never got through it
[19:21]<@BC_Programming> it starts to feel very samey after about 10 minutes
[19:21]<+camerongray> Hey BC
[19:21]<@BC_Programming> hello camerongray
[19:21]<+camerongray> I'm looking into a new server :P
[19:21]<@BC_Programming> cool, I guess
[19:21]<+camerongray> Was going to rent another dedi for $59/mo
[19:22]<+camerongray> But then my host got back to me about colocation
[19:22]<+camerongray> $45/month!
[19:22]<@BC_Programming> I applied for another job that's closer
[19:22]<+camerongray> Found quite a few decent servers on eBay (2x Quad Core Xeon, 16gb RAM) for around $200
[19:22]<+camerongray> Nice! Good luck!
[19:23]<@BC_Programming> it's 36K whereas the other one would be six figures but no guarantee I'll get an offer when that comes up
[19:23]<@BC_Programming> this time I replied the day the ad was posted at least
[19:23]<lucifer> camerongray also look into if your ISP will allow you to host on it
[19:23]<+camerongray> Allow me to host on it?
[19:24]<+camerongray> I'm planning on colocating to a datacebter
[19:24]<+camerongray> datacenter
[19:24]<lucifer> Ok
[19:24]<+camerongray> No way I could host on my DSL :P
[19:25]<@BC_Programming> I'm not planning anything for my stuff. not for the short term
[19:25]<+camerongray> Your stuff?
[19:25]<@BC_Programming> would be nice to switch over to ASP.NET so I could use C#
[19:25]<+camerongray> Ahh
[19:25]<@BC_Programming> but then I'd have to rewrite a bunch of stuff, and then there's wordpress too
[19:25]<+camerongray> Yeah, my DSL is hardly fast: http://www.speedtest.net/result/2349558561.png
[19:26]<+camerongray> Want a VPS :P:
[19:26]<+camerongray> On a not-yet-existant server?
[19:27]<+camerongray> You could stick Apache on Windows and run across 2 IPs
[19:27]<+camerongray> But my experience of Apache on WIndows isn't great - Seems to go down for no reason
[19:28]<@BC_Programming> wtf would be the point of running Apache on windows
[19:28]<+camerongray> Wordpress and old PHP stuff
[19:28]<+camerongray> Then you have IIS for that side of things
[19:28]<@BC_Programming> ASP.NET can do PHP
[19:28]<+camerongray> Oh yeah
[19:28]<@BC_Programming> I just wouldn't want to transplant it as it is
[19:29]<+camerongray> Ahh
[19:29]<@BC_Programming> I mean even as it is now, the entire site goes down once a month, and occasionally the database goes "lolz I'm corrupted"
[19:29]<+camerongray> lol
[19:30]<@BC_Programming> one time I got the dreaded white screen with the blog after installing a plugin
[19:30]<+camerongray> Byet?
[19:30]<@BC_Programming> had to manually edit it
[19:30]<@BC_Programming> the host is byet but the problems seem to be with secure signup
[19:30]<@BC_Programming> seems they are Database servers or something
[19:30]<+camerongray> Yeah, I don't understand Byet
[19:30]<@BC_Programming> and yes "SecureSignup" is quite possibly the stupidest name ever for anything in the history of all things
[19:31]<+camerongray> They have the secure signup thing too
[19:31]<+camerongray> https://www.datashack.net/ <3
[19:31]<@BC_Programming> I still love that guy that wanted to do a link exchange
[19:31]<+camerongray> Yeah :P
[19:32]<+camerongray> My mum has had that for her site
[19:32]<@BC_Programming> this was like a solicitation on a forum
[19:32]<@BC_Programming> first he asked "how do you get views"
[19:32]<+camerongray> hahaha
[19:33]<@BC_Programming> http://www.videogameinvestments.blogspot.ca/
[19:33]<+camerongray> Did he use the word "Hits"
[19:33]<+camerongray> hahaha
[19:33]<@BC_Programming> lol it's 5 days old now, didn't even realize
[19:33]<+camerongray> If you were to mention "Hits" in my office, something bad would happen to you
[19:34]<@BC_Programming> don't think he realizes that it takes several years to become an overnight success
[19:34]<+camerongray> And when someone discovers a wesbite with a hit counter...
[19:34]<+camerongray> hahaha
[19:34]<@BC_Programming> hit counters annoying
[19:34]<@BC_Programming> are*
[19:34]<+camerongray> lol
[19:34]<+camerongray> And serve no purpose :P
[19:34]<@BC_Programming> I'm tempted though to have something that looks like a hit coutner and is just like "This is today's random number"
[19:34]<+camerongray> hahah
[19:35]<+camerongray> Some of the analytics systems at work are INSANE
[19:35]<@BC_Programming> for me about 90% of all my bandwidth is used for downloading images
[19:35]<+camerongray> lol
[19:35]<@BC_Programming> probably because I use it as a image host too lol
[19:35]<+camerongray> How much?
[19:36]<+camerongray> How much bandwidth do you use?
[19:37]<@BC_Programming> :O
[19:37]<@BC_Programming> whaaat is this
[19:37]<+camerongray> hehehe
[19:38]<@BC_Programming> Oh I think I was reading it wrong
[19:38]<+camerongray> lol
[19:38]<@BC_Programming> ok seriously some of these referrers are just weird
[19:38]<+camerongray> lol
[19:38]<@BC_Programming> I mean, I can see minecraftforum, computerhope, equestriadaily, etc
[19:39]<@BC_Programming> but how in the blazes am I getting people coming to my site from ludumdare.com?
[19:39]<+camerongray> hahaha
[19:39]<@BC_Programming> apparently 500 visitors came from "friendshipismagic.org"
[19:39]<+camerongray> LOL!
[19:39]<@BC_Programming> now I have to use google-fu and find who is posting links to my site
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[19:40]<@BC_Programming> it's probably another bandwidth leech hot-linking my signature bars
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[19:41]<@BC_Programming> oh, found them, that was some good google fu
[19:41]<+camerongray> I love my server provider, they are perfectly happy for me to buy a server and any parts for it, ship it directly to them and they will install it
[19:41]<@BC_Programming> they are hot-linking the wallpapers I made
[19:41]<+camerongray> Since shipping from here to the US would cost £££
[19:43]<@BC_Programming> my top search words are mlp, super, mario, to, minecraft, programming, wallpaper, art, pixel, and, my personal favourite, go
[19:43]<+camerongray> hahaha
[19:43]<@BC_Programming> I rather like the ordering of the other search terms
[19:44]<@BC_Programming> applejack, the,cartridge,is,too,pony
[19:44]<+camerongray> lol
[19:45]<@BC_Programming> wow the OS report... there are actually thousands of hits from browsers identifying as running on Windows 3.1, 98, ME, and 95
[19:48]<@BC_Programming> Nov. total bandwidth was 5GB; of that, almost 3GB is simply serving images
[19:48]<+camerongray> Ahh, that's not too bad
[19:48]<+camerongray> My server has a 10TB limit :P
[19:48]<+camerongray> On a 1gbps port!
[19:49]<@BC_Programming> mine is 256GB
[19:49]<+camerongray> Shared?
[19:49]<@BC_Programming> the bandwidth is not shared
[19:49]<@BC_Programming> but it's shared hosting afaik
[19:49]<+camerongray> Yeah
[19:59]<@BC_Programming> sigh
[19:59]<@BC_Programming> I still hate my webhost for one thing though
[20:00]<@BC_Programming> they F-ing double charge me every single month
[20:03]<+camerongray> ahh
[20:03]<+camerongray> Paypal?
[20:04]<@BC_Programming> yes
[20:04]<+camerongray> Check your subscriptions
[20:04]<@BC_Programming> I currently have like 40 dollars of credit with them
[20:04]<+camerongray> I had that before and I had an old subscription
[20:05]<@BC_Programming> how do I check that?
[20:05]<+camerongray> It's somewhere in your paypal account
[20:05]<+camerongray> Can't remember where but there are guides online
[20:05]<+camerongray> google something like "List all paypal subscriptions"
[20:06]<+camerongray> Anyway, g2g, it's 03:00 :P
[20:06]<lucifer> Night camerongray
[20:06]<+camerongray> cya
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