Session Start: Sun Sep 30 00:00:00 2012 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
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[07:38]<+camerongray> hey jacky
[07:48]<@jacky> camerongray: Hello
[07:48]<+camerongray> Bought a dedicated server :D
[07:48]<@jacky> oh?
[07:48]<@jacky> much?
[07:48]<+camerongray> Nope :D
[07:48]<+camerongray> £13.99/mo
[07:49]<@jacky> wow.. I'm not into that market... but even to me that sounds like a good price
[07:49]<@jacky> are you allowed to do most anything you want with it?
[07:49]<+camerongray> Yeah, from "Kimsufi" which is part of OVH (Huge server provider)
[07:50]<+camerongray> Kimsufi servers are very cheap, only downside is that support is low priority
[07:50]<+camerongray> And there's no RAID but i get 100gb of offsite backup so I just run a script to backup periodically
[07:51]<@jacky> restrictions on use though?
[07:51]<+camerongray> Very good actually, 5tb bandwidth at 100mbit then the speed will drop to 10mbit
[07:51]<@jacky> !g .es 13.99 pounds in USD =
[07:51]<+camerongray> Specs are pretty low but fine for my needs, Celeron 220 @ 1.2GHz and 2gb RAM
[07:52]<@jacky> but are you restricted in what you can use it for ?
[07:52]<+camerongray> As long as it's legal it's fine
[07:52]<@jacky> cool
[07:52]<@jacky> do you get to choose what os to install?
[07:52]<@jacky> how's that work, anyway?
[07:52]<+camerongray> Yeah, huge choice
[07:53]<@jacky> you get the whole machine, right? you've rented a hunk of hardware.... is that right?
[07:53]<+camerongray> Yep
[07:53]<+camerongray> I went for CentOS but could also have Red Hat (With Licence), Debian, Ubuntu, Windows ($$$), FreeBSD or loads of other distros
[07:53]<@jacky> lisence for Red Hat?
[07:54]<@jacky> it's linux... isn't it free?
[07:54]<+camerongray> lol, commercial linux
[07:54]<+camerongray> Has commercial support .etc
[07:54]<@jacky> well.. the support, I can understand paying for
[07:54]<+camerongray> I use CentOS which is based on Red Had Enterprise but is open source
[07:54]<@jacky> how does that work though? if the machine has nothing on it, how do you access it, to install the os in the first place?
[07:55]<+camerongray> It PXE boots (From a networked machine) then that restores an OS image to the HDD
[07:55]<@jacky> what is PXE ?
[07:55]<+camerongray> That feature is built into the BIOS
[07:55]<+camerongray> It's a protocol to boot a machine from an OS stored on another over the network
[07:55]<@jacky> interesting
[07:56]<@jacky> so.. are you going to compete with mibbit, and run your own IRC network?
[07:56]<@jacky> hehehe
[07:56]<+camerongray> lol
[07:56]<+camerongray> I'm part of a server project at uni where I have access to a server, will probably play with bouncers or make another bot
[07:57]<@jacky> on your dedicated machine? or on the school's server?
[07:57]<+camerongray> It's a project within the University, they get old servers from companies and set them up in a rack in the corner of one of the computer labs
[07:58]<+camerongray> They used to be in one of the server rooms but got kicked out as they kept overheating it :P
[07:58]<@jacky> hehe
[07:58]<@jacky> but back to my question...
[07:58]<+camerongray> http://mantis.tardis.ed.ac.uk/wiki/Main_Page
[07:58]<+camerongray> yeah?
[07:58]<@jacky> what?
[07:59]<+camerongray> <jacky> but back to my question...
[07:59]<@jacky> right
[07:59]<@jacky> <@jacky> on your dedicated machine? or on the school's server?
[07:59]<+camerongray> AHh, would play with bots and stuff on the university machine
[07:59]<@jacky> cool
[07:59]<+camerongray> My dedicated server is used as a webserver
[07:59]<@jacky> let me know if you need a hand or anything
[08:00]<+camerongray> Cool, will do
[08:00]<+camerongray> Also, this is the hardware in my dedicated server: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article780-page1.html
[08:01]<+camerongray> Basically just that board (Integrated CPU), 2gb RAM and a 1tb disk
[08:01]<@jacky> I dont' keep up to date on harware, as I rarely buy any. hehehe
[08:01]<+camerongray> lol
[08:01]<@jacky> what is mini-ITX?
[08:01]<+camerongray> Very small motherboards
[08:01]<+camerongray> Compare the size of the board to the RAM slot
[08:02]<@jacky> wow
[08:02]<@jacky> how do they fit everything on it?
[08:02]<+camerongray> Not sure :P
[08:03]<+camerongray> The main thing is less expansion slots
[08:03]<@jacky> ( for when next you ever do a bot, bookmark this: http://forum.egghelp.org/viewtopic.php?p=99349#99349 . They are not going to release a "1.6.22" to take care of it. 1.6.21 is it for now. One must know to do that patch. )
[08:03]<@jacky> 
[08:03]<+camerongray> cool
[08:03]<@jacky> less expansion slots ... as in... 0
[08:03]<@jacky> hehe
[08:03]<+camerongray> It has one PCI slot whereas my motherboard has *goes and counts"
[08:03]<@jacky> wow
[08:03]<@jacky> I'm surprised it has any
[08:03]<+camerongray> 6
[08:03]<@jacky> I'd hav eto look up this mb myself
[08:03]<@jacky> how did you count yours, that fast??
[08:03]<@jacky> hehehe
[08:04]<+camerongray> lol, I have a window in my case :P
[08:04]<@jacky> ah
[08:04]<+camerongray> And a light
[08:04]<@jacky> and that is necessary... to be 'cool'.... right?
[08:04]<@jacky> hehe
[08:04]<+camerongray> lol
[08:04]<+camerongray> great case though
[08:05]<@jacky> I think this is my mb. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128435 it popped up in FF history
[08:05]<+camerongray>
[08:05]<+camerongray> oops
[08:05]<+camerongray> cool
[08:05]<@jacky> ctrl-o ?
[08:05]<@jacky> 
[08:05]<+camerongray> That's a good board
[08:05]<@jacky> I see it is discontinued though
[08:05]<@jacky> getting old?
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[08:05]<+camerongray> Nah, they just released a new revison with an updated chipset
[08:06]<+camerongray> But that was AMD's best chipset at the time AFIK
[08:06]<@jacky> cool
[08:07]<+camerongray> lol, my phone is almost as powerful as my server
[08:07]<+camerongray> Server: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/485756
[08:07]<@jacky> run your ircd on it then!
[08:07]<+camerongray> Phone: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/1108206
[08:07]<+camerongray> lol
[08:08]<+camerongray> Shows how fast technology progesses, my phone gets around the same benchmark as this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Mac_G5
[08:09]<@jacky> amazing stuff, huh?
[08:09]<+camerongray> yeah
[08:09]<@jacky> I remember when they invented fire
[08:09]<@jacky> >g<
[08:09]<+camerongray> lol
[08:10]<+camerongray> It's amazing to think that I basically have the power of a powermac g5 in my pocket
[08:10]<@jacky> hot, isn't it?
[08:10]<+camerongray> lol, can warm up sometimes
[08:10]<@jacky> oh.. now go look up the computer power used in 1969, to get to the moon and back
[08:10]<@jacky> it'll scare you
[08:11]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:11]<+camerongray> Less than my calculator
[08:11]<+camerongray> My microwave probably has more power, seriously!
[08:11]<@jacky> can't remember... a friend told me about it, from a tour he took ... I think in Houston ... where they did a comparison
[08:11]<@jacky> I think you are close, re: your calculator
[08:12]<+camerongray> Yeah, and my microwave, it's programmable :P
[08:12]<@jacky> actually, your calculator could be closer to what they first used in the Shuttle
[08:12]<+camerongray> yeah
[08:12]<@jacky> y'know... with microwaves... they've gone to far. I like "Start" and "Stop"
[08:12]<@jacky> I finally found a good one
[08:12]<@jacky> push Start, and it runs for 30 seconds
[08:12]<+camerongray> lol
[08:12]<@jacky> keep pushing start, and it adds 30 seconds
[08:13]<+camerongray> Cool
[08:13]<@jacky> or... push a number... "2" and it starts and runs for 2 min
[08:13]<@jacky> simple
[08:13]<@jacky> idiot proof
[08:13]<+camerongray> I remember my old one had a 1min button and a 10min button, made the mistake several times
[08:13]<@jacky> and all the pre-programmed "potato" "defrost" BS
[08:13]<@jacky> I ignore it
[08:13]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:13]<@jacky> I blast things for a while, then open the door and check
[08:13]<@jacky> hehe
[08:13]<+camerongray> Mine has a "Hot air" mode
[08:14]<@jacky> that's more like a convection oven, isn't it?
[08:14]<+camerongray> Yeah, has an oven and grill in it too
[08:14]<@jacky> big bucks
[08:14]<@jacky> nah.... go for the cheap, simple one
[08:14]<@jacky> heheeh
[08:14]<+camerongray> And you can program it e.g. 1min at 900w then 3min at 600w
[08:14]<@jacky> as a matter of fact... I left a cup of water with a tea bag in it, in the microwave.
[08:14]<@jacky> brb
[08:15]<+camerongray> lol
[08:16]<@jacky> mine is 1000 watts
[08:16]<@jacky> and if I used a "lower" power setting... 1 thru 10
[08:16]<@jacky> all it does is switch off for a time, then come back on. the power, that is
[08:16]<+camerongray> Ahh
[08:16]<@jacky> I think it is a klystron tube in microwaves... been a while... not sure
[08:17]<+camerongray> lol, a while since you took one apart :P
[08:18]<@jacky> a while since I picked up a book on them....
[08:18]<@jacky> heh
[08:19]<+camerongray> Ahh
[08:21]<+camerongray> I have 4 books :P
[08:22]<+camerongray> Haskell, Java, Linear Algebra and Economics
[08:23]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, and the one I found in a charity shop "How stuff works" from 1969, Hilarious to read about things like TVs and Computers
[08:23]<+camerongray> Probably worth something, I got it for 50p
[08:24]<@jacky> that title seems familiar
[08:24]<@jacky> perhaps it is an on going series
[08:24]<@jacky> what is Haskell?
[08:25]<+camerongray> A functional programming language
[08:25]<@jacky> ah
[08:25]<@jacky> you are taking a course in Econ???
[08:25]<@jacky> who talked you into THAT?
[08:25]<@jacky> heh
[08:25]<+camerongray> You have to do an outside subject, was the only one that fitted with everything ekse
[08:25]<+camerongray> else*
[08:25]<+camerongray> I'm doing Electrical Engineering next semester
[08:26]<@jacky> I know you just started, but - how do you like Econ, so far?
[08:26]<@jacky> hold that thought, on EE
[08:26]<+camerongray> It's okay, except for the lecturer, he's the "I'll just read my slideshow" type
[08:26]<@jacky> I remember the one Econ course I took
[08:26]<+camerongray> lol, I've always been interested in electronics
[08:26]<@jacky> it was mumbo jumbo to me
[08:26]<@jacky> never understood it
[08:27]<@jacky> I STILL think Econ is mostly hocus-pocus
[08:27]<@jacky> hehehe
[08:27]<+camerongray> lol, same, although this is a course designed to teach the very basics
[08:27]<@jacky> as for EE, that's hardware?
[08:27]<@jacky> or what?
[08:27]<+camerongray> Yeah, and theory of circuits and components
[08:27]<@jacky> I hope you enjoy that. I would have
[08:27]<+camerongray> 2secs will find the description
[08:27]<@jacky> I studied it as a hobby, only
[08:28]<+camerongray> http://www.drps.ed.ac.uk/12-13/dpt/cxelee08001.htm
[08:28]<@jacky> "An introduction to Electrical Engineering (Circuit Analysis, a.c. Theory, Operational Amplifiers, Electromagnetism, Semiconductor Devices)."
[08:28]<@jacky> excellent
[08:28]<@jacky> I hope you find that interesting
[08:28]<@jacky> :)
[08:28]<+camerongray> Yeah, did stuff like that at school
[08:29]<@jacky> here... do you know Ohm's Law? ( THE most basic thing to know )
[08:29]<+camerongray> lol, yep
[08:29]<+camerongray> V-IR
[08:29]<@jacky> and you can remember it, without fail?
[08:29]<@jacky> :)
[08:29]<+camerongray> V=IR*
[08:29]<@jacky> yep
[08:29]<@jacky> I admit, I have to pause and think about it, anymore
[08:29]<+camerongray> I enjoyed it at school but lets say the teachers "Could do better" :P
[08:30]<@jacky> oh?
[08:30]<+camerongray> They were fine at the electronics part but there was some engineering too that they didn't really understand
[08:31]<@jacky> like ... ?
[08:31]<+camerongray> Forces in structures mainly
[08:31]<@jacky> oh.. not electronics then?
[08:31]<+camerongray> Just couldn't explain how to do it
[08:31]<+camerongray> NAh, was a general engineering course
[08:31]<@jacky> ah. ok
[08:31]<+camerongray> Half electronics and half structures
[08:31]<@jacky> ok
[08:31]<@jacky> back to Econ a moment
[08:31]<+camerongray> Still got an A1 so was pleased with that
[08:32]<@jacky> would you like a link, to a plain-jane site, where I like to read the weekly column?
[08:32]<@jacky> this guy is (or was) a professor of Economics
[08:32]<+camerongray> Sure
[08:32]<@jacky> but, he has that magic way of writing... that it is very clear what he wants to say, without using gooble-dy gook terminology
[08:33]<@jacky> and ... to me, he speaks with plain old common sense
[08:33]<+camerongray> That's what I like
[08:33]<@jacky> you must remember, he is an American
[08:33]<+camerongray> http://www.drps.ed.ac.uk/12-13/dpt/cxecnm08004.htm <- Pretty much "Economics for Dummies" :P
[08:33]<@jacky> I dont' know what the differeences are, in our basic views on economics, and thus the politics behind them
[08:33]<@jacky> and often his column is critical of our current leaders here. and what they wish to do here. :)
[08:33]<+camerongray> lol
[08:34]<@jacky> http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/index.html
[08:34]<@jacky> you can read his credential there too
[08:34]<+camerongray> Cool, thanks
[08:34]<@jacky> and see that he is not just some wack-o off the street
[08:34]<@jacky> and, you can pull up a listing of LOTS of his columns
[08:34]<+camerongray> yeah
[08:34]<@jacky> I found the site, because sometimes our local newspaper's website does not include his weekly column
[08:35]<+camerongray> Cool
[08:35]<@jacky> heck... look at the title to the most recent!
[08:35]<@jacky> Understanding Economics - September 26, 2012
[08:35]<@jacky> heheehe
[08:35]<+camerongray> lol
[08:35]<@jacky> personally, I think that a lot of Econ is just human nature
[08:35]<+camerongray> The course I'm doing is prety basic, only 2 lectures a week
[08:35]<+camerongray> Yeah, just logical
[08:36]<@jacky> Oh... if you read enough there, you will even find where he says that some other Econ professors are flat out wrong
[08:36]<+camerongray> lol
[08:36]<@jacky> I love it when somebody is willing to speak his mind
[08:36]<@jacky> :)
[08:36]<@jacky> back to electronics
[08:36]<@jacky> did you, with your previous course, get into transistors?
[08:36]<@jacky> how they amplify, etc. ?
[08:37]<+camerongray> Pretty basic stuff
[08:37]<@jacky> cool
[08:37]<@jacky> I first learned on tubes
[08:37]<@jacky> heh
[08:37]<+camerongray> In a practical sense, like how to wire them up to do things
[08:37]<@jacky> I think you call them "valves"
[08:37]<+camerongray> lol
[08:38]<@jacky> diodes, triodes, and pentodes
[08:38]<+camerongray> Just diodes
[08:38]<+camerongray> Also a lot with logic gates
[08:39]<@jacky> when you say "diode" though, I suspect you are referring to the solid state diode
[08:39]<@jacky> logic gates... ... thinking... some sort of IC, right?
[08:40]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:40]<+camerongray> AND, OR, NOT, NOR .etc
[08:40]<@jacky> I touched on that, but didn't need to get into it much. Truly, I didn't spend enough time on it, to say that I ever 'knew' it
[08:41]<@jacky> the basic concept though, I think I have
[08:41]<+camerongray> ahh
[08:41]<@jacky> logic
[08:41]<@jacky> low power, switching signals based on logic
[08:41]<@jacky> right?
[08:41]<+camerongray> yeah
[08:42]<@jacky> I like things like tubes that glow red, about the size of a baby bottle, that if you touch the plate connector there is enough voltage there to maybe kill you
[08:42]<@jacky> hehehe
[08:42]<+camerongray> lol
[08:42]<@jacky> you know... in the 2KW range
[08:42]<@jacky> heh
[08:49]<+camerongray> lol
[09:50]<+camerongray> Oh yeah jacky - You might be interested in this guy: http://www.youtube.com/user/mikeselectricstuff/videos?flow=grid&view=0
[09:50]<+camerongray> Does videos and teardown of a lot of deffierent electronic things
[10:16]<@jacky> cool
[10:16]<@jacky> sorry... drifted away... fixing something for lunch
[10:16]<@jacky> :)
[10:16]<@jacky> 
[10:16]<+camerongray> lol
[12:06]<@jacky> see you all later
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Session Start: Sun Sep 30 12:55:07 2012 Session Ident: #glitchpc [12:55] * Now talking in #glitchpc
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[14:11]<Lucifer> hola
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[14:18]<Lucifer> hi nat
[14:18]<Nat> hhi
[14:26]<Lucifer> so ... ill be getting some ups's
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[16:14]<+camerongray> HI Nat & Lucifer
[16:14]<Nat> hey camerongray
[16:14]<+camerongray> How are you?
[16:14]<Nat> tired
[16:14]<+camerongray> lol, same
[16:15]<+camerongray> Was out until 3am yesterday
[16:15]<+camerongray> Well, today :P
[16:16]<+camerongray> Of course I go out to a club the day before I plan to do a video voiceover :P
[16:16]<+camerongray> I now have no voice :P
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[17:08]<Nat> anyone here?
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[21:37]<+Craig> Hey Tux22 you here?
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