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[07:33]<+camerongray> Hey Calum
[07:33]<Calum> hey
[07:33]<+camerongray> How's everything?
[07:33]<Calum> pretty good, thought I'd hop on here for a bit being as I haven't been here in forever heh
[07:33]<Calum> I was planning on washing my car but it's too hot, or at least that's my excuse
[07:34]<+camerongray> lol
[07:34]<Calum> it'll only get dirty again tomorrow I guess
[07:34]<+camerongray> true
[07:36]<Calum> I logged back onto CH yesterday out of curiosity
[07:40]<Calum> It's so dead now, I can't believe it
[07:40]<+camerongray> Yeah
[07:40]<+camerongray> Not posted anything in years
[07:41]<Calum> Thinking back to when I first joined and it was almost impossible to keep up with the posts per day...to this
[07:41]<+camerongray> yeah
[07:41]<+camerongray> I think the problem is that it has been overrun with people who try to help but don't know what they are doing
[07:41]<Calum> seems that way, plus there seem to be issues with moderation left right and centre
[07:42]<+camerongray> Yeah
[07:42]<+camerongray> I've not really had that much time on there either since I'm workign
[07:42]<+camerongray> working*
[07:42]<Calum> I think the last time I logged in was May, to say thanks for the birthday wishes heh
[07:43]<+camerongray> lol
[07:43]<+camerongray> I have the tab pinned but rarely used it
[07:44]<Calum> I think in all honesty as soon as I resigned as mod the site went downhill...haha just kidding, that's just when I stopped visiting so regularly so I don't know when it started to slide
[07:44]<+camerongray> yeah
[07:44]<+camerongray> I do see quite a few people trying to help but not really
[07:45]<+camerongray> Like if someone posts in the virus section saying that their sound isn't working they are put through the whole process of getting logs
[07:45]<Calum> I might try and hang out there a little for a week or two, see what the situation is, maybe help out a few people
[07:45]<+camerongray> Even though the problem is not a virus
[07:45]<Calum> Ah right
[07:45]<Calum> Not ideal then
[07:45]<+camerongray> Been like that forever
[07:45]<@jacky> Calum: Hello
[07:45]<@jacky> camerongray: Hello
[07:45]<+camerongray> hey jacky
[07:46]<Calum> hey jacky
[07:46]<+camerongray> And then there was Steve's epic posts :P
[07:46]<@jacky> (expecting a visitor any minute... just came indoors to cool off in front of a fan... if I go suddenly, now you know)
[07:46]<Calum> oh, was that during the whole banning/unbanning episode?
[07:46]<Calum> no worries
[07:46]<+camerongray> "My laptop fell and snapped the flash drive plugged in, is there any way to get the data off" Steve"Have you tried installing drivers"
[07:46]<@jacky> the problem is with style and attitude
[07:46]<@jacky> same as with their channel
[07:46]<Calum> oh that, yeah I remember heh
[07:46]<Calum> yeah I agree
[07:47]<Calum> Just sad to see it's fell so far from how I can remember it
[07:47]<@jacky> to belittle someone... the only reason for that is in the mind of the jerk doing it... he feels empowered
[07:47]<@jacky> the sad part.... it is allowed
[07:47]<+camerongray> yeah
[07:47]<@jacky> actually encouraged
[07:47]<@jacky> and what happens? .... people drift away
[07:48]<+camerongray> Although on the bright side, less free help means more business if you offer paid help
[07:48]<Calum> heh true
[07:48]<@jacky> it is impossible to know how many potential posters have read around there some, and just said to themselves, "I'm not going to register and post at a place like this"
[07:48]<Calum> mhm, sure to be a lot though
[07:48]<@jacky> should be, especially if it is still at the top, when google searching
[07:48]<+camerongray> Yeah, would be interesting to see the analytics
[07:49]<Calum> just incredible to think that back when I joined, Raptor - say what you will about him - was making in the region of 70 posts per day, just helping people, and that didn't even cover all the threads being made, not by a long shot
[07:49]<Calum> Now it looks more like a total of 70 posts per week
[07:50]<@jacky> it is like this... you know me. if I ask something dumb, it is perfectly fine to kid me about it, etc. not so with a total stranger... you have no idea... they might REALLY be that new and green.
[07:50]<@jacky> Raptor is an example
[07:50]<Calum> exactly, in-jokes are fine if you're making them with someone that is "in"
[07:50]<+camerongray> Yeah
[07:50]<@jacky> he was allowed to continue, because of his expertise and willingness to post
[07:50]<@jacky> he should have been schooled, immediately, for being so rude to people.
[07:51]<@jacky> people don't think, anymore
[07:51]<@jacky> they just assume
[07:51]<@jacky> or jump to conclusions
[07:51]<Calum> oh, I know, I know he's caused more than his fair share of problems. I was just saying that back then, when his posts were purely helpful, even his 70 posts per day wasn't covering everything, that's how active the place was
[07:51]<+camerongray> Yeah
[07:51]<@jacky> Calum: I understand your point. sorry... I digressed
[07:51]<Calum> it's ok, I understand what you're saying too, it's an example of both points really
[07:52]<@jacky> the forum, nor the channel.... if they want to hold themselves out as a "place for help", should be a place for the sport and entertainment of those that are "in"
[07:52]<+camerongray> Glitch PC had a better community IMO but yeah...
[07:52]<Calum> "had" being the key there I think
[07:52]<@jacky> courtesy an decorum should be first
[07:52]<@jacky> glitch himself, was his own worst enemy
[07:52]<@jacky> heh
[07:52]<Calum> heh yep
[07:53]<Calum> does LC still hang around in the CH channel by the way?
[07:53]<+camerongray> Yeah
[07:53]<+camerongray> Yep
[07:53]<Calum> figures
[07:53]<@jacky> of course he will... he's been given permission to entertain himself and his legion of followers, by being rude to people.
[07:54]<+camerongray> jacky: You should start a computer help business!
[07:54]<+camerongray> You'd help people :P
[07:54]<@jacky> they will follow in his shoes, and perpetuate the concept that it is ok to be an <censored>.
[07:54]<Calum> mhm
[07:54]<@jacky> honestly... I know more about how to run things, than I have hard core computer knowledge
[07:55]<@jacky> and, I don't stay current. I don't spend money, on a regular basis, on hardware, like you real hobbiests do. :)
[07:55]<+camerongray> lol
[07:55]<+camerongray> It is one of the most expensive hobbies :P
[07:55]<Calum> I only wish I did, heh
[07:55]<@jacky> nah... wait 'till you've been out in the world some. there are LOTS more expensive hobbies
[07:55]<Calum> that's true
[07:55]<+camerongray> lol, I bought a lot of stuff the other week but that will be all for a while
[07:56]<+camerongray> Starting university so will need to work less and spend more :P
[07:56]<@jacky> a friend is going through it now... his hobby, apparently... is wives. He's on #3 and she's left him now. it is going to cost him.
[07:56]<@jacky> heh
[07:56]<Calum> hobbies are only as expensive as you make them though, you don't *have* to wade in on everything
[07:56]<+camerongray> Yeah
[07:56]<Calum> haha, yeah, that's gotta be the most expensive hobby
[07:56]<+camerongray> I try to be sensible with computer stuff, some people are ridiculous
[07:57]<@jacky> calum: sort of true. using computers for example, there is not much point in hobbying with 486dx's, assuming you could find them for free
[07:57]<@jacky> :)
[07:57]<@jacky> camerongray: yep. the key to everything: balance
[07:57]<Calum> fair point
[07:57]<+camerongray> Like TTL on YouTUbe, seems to slag off anything that's not the top end :P
[07:57]<@jacky> what is TTL ?
[07:57]<+camerongray> Some guy on YouTube
[07:57]<@jacky> ok
[07:58]<+camerongray> reviews computer stuff but is very snobby about it :P
[07:58]<+camerongray> I love my setup even with two 2nd hand monitors and speakers that I have had for probably 10 years
[07:58]<@jacky> and... if somebody came along and said to me, "Here's $5,000, but you have to spend it on computer stuff"... you can bet that Calum would be getting an email from me, quick! heheheeheh
[07:58]<Calum> hahaha
[07:58]<+camerongray> lol
[07:59]<@jacky> I bet we could do it... and not be long about it!
[07:59]<@jacky> <g>
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[07:59]<@jacky> lucifer: Hello
[07:59]<+camerongray> I still remember when you used your K6-2 as your main machien
[07:59]<+camerongray> machine*
[07:59]<Calum> wou;dn't take long at all, I have a mental list of what I'd buy if I won the lottery :)
[07:59]<@jacky> camerongray: are you feeling old or something, now? hehehe
[07:59]<Calum> haha
[07:59]<+camerongray> lol
[07:59]<Calum> brba sec
[08:00]<+camerongray> If I won the lottery, I'd probably still want to work :P
[08:00]<@jacky> Callum: now with THAT kind of money, computer stuff would not be at the top of my list. I'd be dealing with 6 digit stuff.
[08:00]<lucifer> Hi jacky
[08:00]<+camerongray> I'd probably get really bored without working
[08:00]<@jacky> camerongray: buy more stuff. work on it.
[08:00]<@jacky> hah
[08:00]<+camerongray> lol
[08:00]<lucifer> Lol
[08:00]<@jacky> camerongray: Ask Calum about doing that.
[08:00]<@jacky> har
[08:00]<Calum> actually never mind, I'm still here. Hah, well true, it wouldn't be at the top of my list either. I just keep a mental list anyway, because it's one thing I would definitely buy
[08:01]<Calum> hah, yeah
[08:01]<+camerongray> Now I've started working, I wouldn't like to stay at home all week
[08:01]<Calum> nope, it sucks
[08:02]<@jacky> I'd be nice, and buy you all a nice VPS service.. (is that the right term?).... for your web pages, bots, IRC, and whatever else "internet"
[08:02]<@jacky> heheheh
[08:02]<Calum> being out of work for 9 months or so was pretty damn bad
[08:02]<Calum> haha
[08:02]<lucifer> Well I'm selling my thinkpad
[08:02]<@jacky> calum: what are you doing now?
[08:02]<+camerongray> Yeah, especially if you enjoy your job
[08:02]<Calum> jacky: running a little computer shop, it's quiet right now but starting to pick up
[08:02]<@jacky> calum: yours?
[08:03]<@jacky> can't resist: you only work on little computers there?
[08:03]<Calum> jacky: jointly run, on a profit share basis. The other guy pays the bills and takes half the profit, I just do the work and don't pay for anything for the other half
[08:03]<Calum> har
[08:03]<@jacky> Calum: make him some money, quick. Else, it will be closed
[08:04]<@jacky> is it a rented store front?
[08:04]<Calum> he's fronting it for 3 months, after that it's got to stand by itself
[08:04]<Calum> but it's well on its way to breaking even now
[08:04]<Calum> yep
[08:04]<@jacky> so you have an understanding, up front. Good
[08:04]<+camerongray> Cool
[08:04]<+camerongray> jacky: what do you do?
[08:04]<Calum> I've worked with him before so, I'm not too worried about having it pulled from under me without a good reason
[08:04]<@jacky> now you, or he, need to learn about "how to get business".. could be advertising, could be lots of things
[08:04]<@jacky> camerongray: I don't have anything now.
[08:05]<@jacky> calum: not making money IS a good reason. heh
[08:05]<Calum> we're working on it, we have signs up, leaflets going out, email marketing, plus business networking, it's starting to pull in customers now
[08:05]<@jacky> err... translation: losing money is a good reason
[08:05]<+camerongray> Ahh, you used to manage in a hotel right?
[08:05]<@jacky> camerongray: correct
[08:05]<Calum> yeah, I know that, I just mean I know how much I need to pull in per month to avoid that, and we're getting there
[08:06]<@jacky> calum: sometimes, step back and try to think. Think of ideas that don't cost much, that might draw in some people. You'd be surprised at what you might come up with
[08:06]<+camerongray> Cool
[08:06]<@jacky> what are some typical problems that you often deal with?
[08:06]<+camerongray> I like the idea of doing computer repairs as a job
[08:07]<Calum> jacky: yep, when the shop's quiet I sit and think about what else I could be doing, and trying out stuff
[08:07]<@jacky> is there something that you feel you do more often?
[08:07]<Calum> at the minute it's mostly smashed laptop screens
[08:07]<@jacky> wow
[08:07]<@jacky> ok.. where is that market? students?
[08:07]<@jacky> high school and college?
[08:07]<Calum> all ages really
[08:07]<@jacky> mostly, though
[08:07]<+camerongray> People here are so careless with computers
[08:07]<Calum> had a middle aged guy, his 2 yo son sat on his laptop and broke it
[08:07]<+camerongray> lol
[08:08]<Calum> it really is a mix of all ages
[08:08]<+camerongray> That's not that bad as it was nobody's fault really
[08:08]<Calum> you'd leave your laptop where a kid could sit on it? ... me neither :)
[08:08]<@jacky> ok.. I was going to say, if you felt that colleges and high schools were where they come from, then find a way to get the word out in those places
[08:08]<@jacky> cheep
[08:08]<@jacky> cheap
[08:08]<+camerongray> What annoys me is people that get their parents to buy them expensive computers and they don\t take care of them :P
[08:08]<@jacky> camerongray: that applies to life, not just computers
[08:08]<@jacky> heh
[08:08]<Calum> mhm, we're going to work on getting into the nearby uni with some advertising and student discounts
[08:09]<+camerongray> lol
[08:09]<+camerongray> I'm actually planning on doing that at university - offering computer/phone/tablet repairs within the university
[08:09]<+camerongray> Pick up and drop off at university buildings
[08:09]<Calum> there isn't a high school or anything nearby so not many students and it's just outside the city so not too near the university, but close enough to do work there
[08:09]<+camerongray> And offer rental of a laptop while one is being repaired
[08:09]<@jacky> "All 19 year old's with blonde hair and nice legs - 50% off"
[08:09]<Calum> just not a high student population nearby
[08:09]<Calum> hahaha
[08:10]<+camerongray> Very high student population here, 2 universities
[08:10]<@jacky> what's to fix on a tablet?
[08:10]<+camerongray> Screen mainly
[08:10]<@jacky> obviously, I know nothing about them
[08:10]<@jacky> ok
[08:10]<Calum> screen's about all you can do really, apart from a software wipe - as far as I know anyway
[08:10]<+camerongray> Actually 4 universities - 2 good ones :P
[08:10]<@jacky> a friends son... does it for cell phones. I see him fixing them all the time... changing screens is typical.
[08:10]<Calum> guess you could do power jack repairs
[08:11]<+camerongray> yeah, they are commontoo
[08:11]<+camerongray> common too*
[08:11]<Calum> phone repair shops are always busy
[08:11]<@jacky> he knows where to order a replacement screen online. I think he charges $65 including labor
[08:11]<Calum> that's pretty decent
[08:11]<+camerongray> yeah
[08:11]<@jacky> heck... all he does is search youtube for the make/model... watch the video on how to do it, and then he does it
[08:12]<Calum> exactly, that's all you need really
[08:12]<@jacky> well... with experience and some tools, it goes much faster
[08:12]<Calum> that's why I love doing laptop screen replacements, it's easy money without having to rip people off heh
[08:12]<+camerongray> yeah
[08:12]<@jacky> what would take me a couple hours, he can do in 15 minutes, and not damage anything
[08:12]<Calum> yeah, that's what you pay for
[08:12]<@jacky> calum: are the screens easy to get off?
[08:12]<@jacky> brb
[08:12]<Calum> mostly, some are pains
[08:13]<Calum> the last one I did was ridiculously easy, took 10 minutes start to finish
[08:13]<Calum> and, ok
[08:14]<@jacky> the one laptop I've played with... it was the devil to get into... all I wanted to do was change the cmos battery
[08:14]<@jacky> never did get into it
[08:14]<Calum> things like that can be more of a pain
[08:14]<@jacky> well... I decided it was not worth my time, at that time
[08:14]<+camerongray> lol, some are a real pain
[08:14]<@jacky> of all things.. you'd think they would make that something easy to get to
[08:14]<Calum> I need to replace the CMOS battery on mine but it's not worth the effort
[08:14]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:14]<@jacky> then again... they want you to keep buying computers....
[08:14]<+camerongray> Try the new retina macbook pro, can't upgrade ANYTHING
[08:15]<Calum> sad thing is most people replace laptops after 3-4 years tops, so why bother?
[08:15]<+camerongray> Even the ram is soldered
[08:15]<@jacky> Calum> I need to replace the CMOS battery on mine but it's not worth the effort <<< see? SEE???
[08:15]<@jacky> heh
[08:15]<Calum> macbook air is a massive pain too
[08:15]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:15]<@jacky> Calum: you have to set the clock every time you boot it?
[08:15]<Calum> hah, yeah, but my laptop is getting on for 7 years old I think, and it doesn't actually bother me
[08:15]<+camerongray> I've got the normal MBP, it's easy to work with
[08:15]<Calum> or leave the main battery in :)
[08:16]<Calum> if I leave that in it just drains very slowly, but keeps the time etc
[08:16]<@jacky> the battery is shot in this old laptop
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[08:16]<+camerongray> What is it?
[08:16]<Calum> I use it every day now for work so it's not an issue for me
[08:16]<@jacky> camerongray: been so long... I'd have to go find it and look
[08:16]<+camerongray> lol
[08:16]<@jacky> Calum: ok
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[08:16]<@jacky> pottsi: Hello
[08:16]<+pottsi> hey jacky
[08:16]<+pottsi> pm?
[08:16]<@jacky> sure
[08:16]<@jacky> :)
[08:17]<+camerongray> People do replace laptops far too much
[08:17]<+camerongray> I plan on using my MBP throughout the whole of my degree
[08:17]<@jacky> where is laptop heaven though? where do they all go?
[08:17]<Calum> I know, all they usually need is a WIndows reinstall, or an SSD
[08:17]<Calum> Ebay, local ads, or in the bin
[08:18]<+camerongray> Yep, the things people find in bins :P
[08:18]<@jacky> re: ebay and local ads: if they still work
[08:18]<Calum> if they don't work, average joe just throws it in the bin, in my experience
[08:18]<+camerongray> I manage computers for a local youth club, all of the desktops (except for the one I gave them) came from bins
[08:18]<@jacky> wow
[08:18]<Calum> I've picked up a few from people who were throwing them away, fixed them up cheaply and sold them
[08:19]<@jacky> Calum: (pssst... sell 'em to camerongray)
[08:19]<@jacky> heh
[08:19]<+camerongray> Two of these: http://h18002.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11632_div/11632_div.html
[08:19]<Calum> ;)
[08:19]<Calum> not bad
[08:19]<+camerongray> And an optiplex G270
[08:20]<+camerongray> Stuck linux on them and they work fine
[08:20]<Calum> nice
[08:20]<+camerongray> When I used my ThinkPad at school, I had people ask why I was using such an old laptop and that I should get a new one
[08:20]<+camerongray> Lets see the specs
[08:20]<+camerongray> i5 430m
[08:20]<+camerongray> 4gb RAM
[08:20]<+camerongray> 60gb SSD
[08:20]<+camerongray> Windows 7 Pro 64bit
[08:21]<Calum> oh right, so better than most brand new laptops then
[08:21]<+camerongray> Yeah& Really outdated
[08:21]<+camerongray> lol, yep!
[08:21]<+camerongray> http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=5712
[08:22]<Calum> pretty nice
[08:22]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:22]<Calum> I wish my laptop had SATA so I could stick an SSD in, it'd still be nice to use
[08:22]<+camerongray> I carried it around every day in a bag, never had any problems
[08:22]<+camerongray> And it did get clattered about quite a bit on the bus
[08:22]<Calum> those Thinkpads are built well though, built to last
[08:22]<+camerongray> Used pretty much every day for several hours
[08:23]<+camerongray> Yeah, super tough
[08:23]<+camerongray> Not a great screen but great other than that
[08:23]<Calum> the trend of laptop screens nowadays is disappointing
[08:23]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:23]<Calum> 1366x768 is so annoying
[08:24]<+camerongray> Yep
[08:24]<Calum> I mean I guess I'm a little spoilt with my monitor heh, but it does irritate me
[08:24]<+camerongray> The only reason I replaced the L512 for the MBP was so I could get a better battery (Thinkpad only did a couple of hours tops) and a smaller size
[08:24]<Calum> not so bad on say a 13" screen
[08:24]<Calum> ah right
[08:24]<+camerongray> MBP is 1280x800
[08:24]<+camerongray> I do prefer 16:10
[08:25]<Calum> that's what my old laptop is
[08:25]<Calum> on a 15.4 screen
[08:25]<+camerongray> Ahh, MBP is 13
[08:25]<Calum> yeah, that's not bad then
[08:25]<+camerongray> Need to think of something to do with my ThinkPad, currently lying under my bed on top of my K6-2 laptop
[08:25]<+camerongray> Seems a waste!
[08:25]<Calum> give you ?20 for it?
[08:26]<+camerongray> lol
[08:26]<Calum> worth a shot!
[08:26]<+camerongray> hehehe
[08:26]<+camerongray> looking at it now, amazing how good the quality is after a couple of years being carried around all day
[08:27]<Calum> yeah
[08:27]<+camerongray> Lid is a bit scratched, no biggie
[08:27]<+camerongray> Base is very good
[08:27]<Calum> only thing with mine is the plastic is a bit discoloured where you rest your wrists
[08:27]<Calum> it's gone a horrible black colour
[08:27]<+camerongray> Same here, gone shiny
[08:27]<Calum> I must have acidic sweat or something, I dunno
[08:27]<+camerongray> lol
[08:27]<+camerongray> Some keys are a bit shiny
[08:28]<+camerongray> But that's not because of carelessness, just heavy use
[08:28]<Calum> yeah
[08:28]<+camerongray> I see people with much newer laptops literally falling aprat
[08:28]<+camerongray> apart*
[08:29]<+camerongray> shows that spending more originally saves in the long run
[08:29]<+camerongray> Many people that I know buy a cheap laptop for say ?400
[08:29]<+camerongray> Lasts a couple of years before it starts going wrong
[08:29]<Calum> yeah
[08:29]<+camerongray> This thinkpad is 2 years old now with absolutely nothing wrong
[08:29]<Calum> you do get what you pay for
[08:29]<+camerongray> Will easily do several more years,
[08:30]<Calum> as long as you don't buy it from PC World anyway
[08:30]<+camerongray> Yeah, this cost ?760
[08:30]<Calum> worth it though
[08:30]<Calum> better than buying another one in a few years
[08:31]<Calum> it's like my mousepad - it was expensive at the time but still going strong, doubt I'll ever need to replace it really
[08:31]<lucifer> camerongray my thinkpad is from 2004
[08:31]<lucifer> :)
[08:31]<Calum> hopefully not anyway because they aren't made any more...
[08:32]<+camerongray> yeah
[08:32]<lucifer> The only thing I need is a keyboard cause I totally broke the alt key off
[08:32]<+camerongray> Ahh
[08:32]<lucifer> That was an accident ....
[08:33]<+camerongray> That's the other thing, only about 50% of my friends laptops have all their keys
[08:33]<+camerongray> most of them are missing several
[08:33]<Calum> least you didn't snap your G19 in half like someone I know...
[08:33]<+camerongray> lol, it's a G19
[08:33]<Calum> er, G15
[08:33]<+camerongray> ahh
[08:33]<+camerongray> I don't think I'll ever need to replace my keyboard
[08:33]<Calum> snapped it in half when he ragequit
[08:34]<+camerongray> and my monitors too, 2008 models, still work flawlessly
[08:34]<Calum> yeah me neither, mechanical is awesome
[08:34]<+camerongray> That's the other thing, people now seem to rate how good a computer is based on size
[08:34]<Calum> with big being good, or small being good?
[08:34]<+camerongray> small
[08:35]<+camerongray> I've had people saying that I need new monitors because mine are a good 6cm thick
[08:35]<+camerongray> Except for the fact that they are pretty much the highest resolution 22" monitor available on the general market
[08:35]<Calum> I had someone tell me that their plasma TV was a better monitor than mine "cos its full hd innit"
[08:35]<+camerongray> hehehe
[08:35]<Calum> I have 2560x1440, your argument is invalid.
[08:35]<+camerongray> lol
[08:36]<+camerongray> I have 2x 1920x1200
[08:36]<Calum> brb
[08:37]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah, full hd too
[08:38]<+camerongray> The number of people that say that any non 1080p TV is rubbish
[08:39]<+camerongray> was in Currys looking for a TV for my grandparents and the sales guy must have heard me saying that this one wasn't full HD but that isn't a big deal, mine isn't and it's great
[08:39]<Calum> back
[08:39]<Calum> yeah people make too much of TV resolutions
[08:39]<+camerongray> Starts telling me how my 720p TV is old and he'll show me a better one
[08:39]<Calum> I have an old-school non HD 42" plasma that we picked up really cheap, looks great to me because I don't inspect it with a magnifying glass looking at the individual pixels
[08:41]<+camerongray> lol, this guy was trying to convince me that one of their own brand TVs would be better than my Pioneer Kuro because it was full hd
[08:41]<Calum> Seems legit
[08:41]<+camerongray> lol
[08:41]<+camerongray> But it was 3d!
[08:41]<+camerongray> oooooh, shiny :P
[08:41]<Calum> Fantastic, so I could feel sick watching it too!
[08:42]<+camerongray> I'm the same, feel sick and get migraines
[08:42]<+camerongray> Just what I want!
[08:42]<Calum> hah exactly
[08:42]<+camerongray> Mine is 720p hd and from 2007, still looks better than most TVs in shops nowadays
[08:42]<+camerongray> http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/televisions/plasma-and-lcd-tvs/pioneer-pdp-428xd-119039/review
[08:42]<Calum> I like Pioneer stuff
[08:43]<Calum> another case of getting what you pay for
[08:43]<+camerongray> Yeah, shame they don't do TVs now
[08:43]<Calum> yeah
[08:43]<+camerongray> I remember that the Kuros used to be the benchmark
[08:43]<+camerongray> We bought it from one of those snobby hifi shops :P
[08:43]<+camerongray> Had to try to drown out the guy talking about the warmth and richness :P
[08:43]<Calum> hah, they are pretty much the only places to carry Pioneer now though
[08:44]<Calum> I can imagine
[08:44]<+camerongray> You went in, whole front room was just pioneer and Loewe
[08:45]<+camerongray> All the other brands were in the back :P
[08:45]<Calum> heh
[08:45]<+camerongray> It was a bit too expensive though :P
[08:45]<+camerongray> If you wanted a table stand it cost ?100 more
[08:45]<Calum> sheesh
[08:45]<+camerongray> and by table stand I mean the bit that goes on the TV so it can stand on a table
[08:45]<Calum> wow
[08:46]<+camerongray> We have ours mounted to a stand, it fits on through the wall mount but is a freestanding unit
[08:46]<+camerongray> What TV do you have?
[08:46]<Calum> cool
[08:47]<Calum> an LG...something haha
[08:47]<Calum> I don't know the model offhand
[08:47]<Calum> bought it for ?100 off the OcUK forum
[08:47]<Calum> seemed a decent deal for the size
[08:47]<+camerongray> yeah
[08:47]<+camerongray> plasma?
[08:47]<Calum> yeah
[08:47]<+camerongray> Cool
[08:47]<+camerongray> I do prefer plasma
[08:47]<+camerongray> Seems to have better colours
[08:47]<+camerongray> Although LCD is catching up
[08:48]<Calum> We replaced an old Sony CRT so it was a pretty big difference
[08:48]<Calum> also went from 26" to 42" so...
[08:48]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:48]<+camerongray> We went from a 28" philips to it
[08:48]<Calum> nice
[08:49]<+camerongray> We almost bought a panasonic one
[08:49]<+camerongray> Decided against it when the only one we could find as a display model
[08:49]<Calum> ah right
[08:49]<+camerongray> Wouldn't have minded except for the guy demonstrating the tough screen by thumping it with the remote :P
[08:50]<Calum> lol, bad times
[08:50]<+camerongray> lol, the pioneer was a lot better though, they just don't advertise
[08:50]<Calum> yeah
[08:50]<+camerongray> Only found out about the kuro when a friend got one
[08:51]<Calum> I regret selling my old car with the Pioneer head unit in, wish I'd kept it for this one
[08:51]<+camerongray> Ahh
[08:51]<+camerongray> I don't even have a car :P
[08:52]<Calum> would've matched my interior better too but, ah well heh
[08:52]<+camerongray> No real rush for me, I live in edinburgh :P
[08:52]<+camerongray> Been here in the last few years?
[08:52]<Calum> yeah, no point having one if you don't need it, pointless expense
[08:52]<Calum> nope, never been up there
[08:53]<+camerongray> This is why there is no point having a car here: http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_street_h/0_street_views_-_hanover_street_047885.jpg
[08:53]<Calum> !!
[08:53]<Calum> wow haha
[08:53]<+camerongray> They are putting trams in and have been for many years now
[08:53]<+camerongray> And that is one example
[08:53]<+camerongray> It's like that everywhere
[08:53]<Calum> bad times
[08:53]<+camerongray> yep
[08:53]<+pottsi> bahaah
[08:54]<+camerongray> No parking either
[08:54]<+pottsi> i work for the metrolink camerongray
[08:54]<+pottsi> xD
[08:54]<+camerongray> lol
[08:54]<+pottsi> manchester not scotland thought
[08:54]<+camerongray> yeah
[08:54]<+pottsi> they <censored> up there big time
[08:54]<+camerongray> yep
[08:54]<Calum> I hate trams
[08:54]<+camerongray> yep
[08:54]<+camerongray> My main complaint is the power cables
[08:55]<+camerongray> All the way along the street that had the best view of the castke
[08:55]<+camerongray> castle*
[08:55]<+camerongray> Tourists stand in the road to get a photo without them
[08:55]<Calum> My main complaint is I always end up driving on the tram tracks and wondering a) if I'm meant to be there and b) when the next tram's coming down them
[08:55]<+camerongray> lol
[08:55]<+camerongray> Here they have signs "Cyclists beware, tram tracks"
[08:55]<+camerongray> Perfect size for a bike tyre
[08:55]<Calum> cyclists and trams, what a combination
[08:56]<+camerongray> lol
[08:56]<+camerongray> PERFECT: This sums the trams up perfectly: http://www.railbrit.co.uk/location.php?loc=Edinburgh%20Trams
[08:57]<Calum> that's pretty bad
[08:57]<+camerongray> yep
[08:57]<Calum> well, remind me never to head to Edinburgh then heh
[08:57]<+camerongray> Didn't even allow a vote on it
[08:57]<+camerongray> lol
[08:57]<+camerongray> It's great apart from that
[08:58]<+camerongray> You see tourists getting annoyed at them
[08:58]<Calum> I just hate places that are awkward to drive - Nottingham, Manchester, London
[08:58]<+camerongray> Try to take a photo of the old buildings with huge fences in the way
[08:58]<Calum> yeah that must be annoying
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[08:58]<+camerongray> Oh, guess how many tram routes they are putting in!
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[08:58]<Calum> go on
[08:59]<+camerongray> 1
[08:59]<Calum> seriously?
[08:59]<+camerongray> Yep
[08:59]<Calum> there are no words
[08:59]<+camerongray> city centre to airport through via a couple of residential areas and a shopping centre
[08:59]<Calum> totally worth it then
[08:59]<+camerongray> lol
[09:00]<@Mulreay> Is that your family car camerongray? http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=36713
[09:00]<+camerongray> lol
[09:00]<Calum> hahaha
[09:00]<+camerongray> I saw that this year
[09:00]<+camerongray> I joked to my friend about that being the new trams
[09:00]<+camerongray> See, it's driving over the tram tracks :P
[09:01]<@Mulreay> heh
[09:01]<+camerongray> Funny thing is that there are several buses that do the same route as the tram will
[09:01]<@Mulreay> Same in Manchester
[09:01]<+camerongray> And buses can divert if there is a problem on the route
[09:01]<+camerongray> trams can't
[09:01]<Calum> yeah
[09:02]<+camerongray> This sums everything up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxcpbeU4bKs
[09:02]<@Mulreay> Just wait until you start hearing about people getting knocked down by them... always makes me chuckle. There usually drunk
[09:02]<+camerongray> ahh yeah
[09:02]<Calum> haha, of course there's a Hitler video, there's one for everything. I love that
[09:02]<+camerongray> yeah
[09:02]<+camerongray> this one is so correct
[09:03]<+camerongray> despite the fact that since it was made the cost has got higher and it only does half the route that it was planned to
[09:04]<+camerongray> lol "Why didn't they buy electric bendy buses"
[09:05]<Calum> lol
[09:05]<+camerongray> Not a single tram has moved yet
[09:05]<Calum> I'm just hoping London isn't too bad tomorrow
[09:05]<+camerongray> They have put a tram in the city centre to show off
[09:05]<+camerongray> Everyone that walks past just shakes their head
[09:05]<Calum> heh
[09:06]<+camerongray> And we have a great bus service already
[09:06]<+camerongray> One bus company, goes everywhere, fairly cheap
[09:06]<Calum> not bad
[09:07]<+camerongray> I think it's 70p for kids 90p for students and ?1.40 for adults
[09:07]<+camerongray> Any distance
[09:07]<Calum> that's decent
[09:07]<+camerongray> Yeah
[09:07]<+camerongray> I still remember when chilren were 50p and adults ?1
[09:08]<Calum> feeling old?
[09:08]<+camerongray> lol, not really
[09:08]<+camerongray> That was like 4 years ago
[09:08]<+camerongray> Probably put it up for trams
[09:08]<Calum> lol
[09:12]<+camerongray> Have you ever had any notalwaysright.com worthy customers?
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[09:14]<Calum> not at this place, yet
[09:15]<+camerongray> ahh
[09:15]<+camerongray> What about at OCUK?
[09:15]<Calum> every day
[09:15]<Calum> without exception
[09:15]<+camerongray> lol
[09:15]<Calum> the amount of names I was called by customers there, regardless of whether I was trying to help or not
[09:16]<Calum> One guy called me a buffoon which I found especially hilarious
[09:16]<+camerongray> lol, what did you do to get that?
[09:16]<@Mulreay> It was 7p for kids when I was very young and we still used half-pennies,,, now that's old
[09:16]<Calum> the best one was this guy who sent in a very long, formal written complaint about me
[09:16]<+camerongray> lol
[09:16]<Calum> I honestly don't remember why that one called me a buffoon
[09:17]<Calum> I came so close to laughing out loud down the phone
[09:17]<+camerongray> lol
[09:17]<+camerongray> what was the complaint about?
[09:17]<Calum> he said I had a very nonchalant attitude towards customer service
[09:17]<Calum> his wording was excellent, it was about 3 pages long
[09:17]<+camerongray> lol
[09:17]<Calum> we pinned it on the wall for months
[09:18]<+camerongray> hahaha!
[09:18]<Calum> I didn't let customers bother me, I just found it funny when they got angry at me for trying to help...the line "sir, you've called a technical support line. I'm giving you technical support" was trotted out a few times
[09:19]<+camerongray> lol
[09:19]<Calum> people just get so irrational, one person refused to speak to me any longer, and I looked around at the room full of technicians and told him nobody else was available
[09:19]<Calum> He said he'd send in a webnote and I told him I'd be happy to answer it
[09:20]<Calum> he got so angry he literally couldn't speak, there was just a kind of hissing noise
[09:20]<Calum> it actually wasn't even our fault that time, it was DPD doing what they do best
[09:20]<+camerongray> ahh yeah
[09:21]<Calum> I remember one guy swore at me for 2 minutes straight, then hung up and we never heard back - that was because we voided his warranty due to the fact that he sent his PC to us in a bin bag, and nothing else
[09:21]<Calum> not even a wisp of bubblewrap, as I helpfully pointed out to him
[09:21]<+camerongray> wow!
[09:21]<Calum> I used the words decimated, destroyed, smashed to bits, sack of spanners, and a few others
[09:22]<+camerongray> lol, what was it like inside?
[09:23]<Calum> as above haha, it was absolutely destroyed
[09:23]<Calum> everything had come loose, every panel on the case was dented
[09:23]<Calum> there was not one single thing that could be reused in any way
[09:23]<+camerongray> wow
[09:23]<Calum> we send it straight back to him after his phone call, I hope he enjoyed it
[09:23]<Calum> and charged him for the privilege
[09:23]<+camerongray> lol
[09:24]<Calum> that was the best bit, testing charges
[09:24]<+camerongray> Still in the bin bag? :P
[09:24]<Calum> yep
[09:24]<+camerongray> hehehe
[09:24]<+camerongray> High end PC?
[09:25]<Calum> anything sent to us that was either not faulty, customer damaged, or not adequately packaged - ?15 testing charge, plus shipping, plus VAT, charged automatically. If it failed, they had to call us and pay it, which was nice and humilating for them
[09:25]<Calum> yeah, it was about ?1500 worth
[09:25]<+camerongray> wow!
[09:25]<Calum> GTX 285s, quite a few HDDs, Antec 1200 I think
[09:25]<+camerongray> ouch!
[09:25]<Calum> this was early 2010
[09:25]<Calum> i7 920 and I think an X58-UD5
[09:25]<+camerongray> ahh
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[09:26]<+camerongray> Processor was probably the only saveable part
[09:26]<Calum> even the motherboard was decimated because the cooler was hanging off
[09:26]<Calum> yeah the CPU might have been alright
[09:26]<lucifer> What ???
[09:26]<Calum> we didn't take the remains of the heatsink off to check it over
[09:26]<+camerongray> lol
[09:26]<Calum> lucifer: talking about a customer that once sent his ?1500 PC to us in a bin bag, and it got destroyed
[09:27]<lucifer> Ouch
[09:27]<Calum> I could entertain you all day long with stories from that place heh, so much stuff used to happen
[09:27]<+camerongray> feel free :P
[09:28]<Calum> there was the woman who sounded like a man, who my mate called SIR very loudly, thinking she was in fact a man
[09:28]<Calum> there was the blind woman who we needed to talk through BIOS settings
[09:28]<Calum> that was hard
[09:29]<+camerongray> lol
[09:29]<lucifer> Lol
[09:29]<Calum> oh, the guy who sent his 2 PCs to us 12 times in total
[09:29]<Calum> because something went wrong every single time, he must've been cursed
[09:29]<+camerongray> lol
[09:29]<lucifer> Lol
[09:29]<Calum> we had to bin that system from the range actually because it didn't sell very well, and because of this one guy it had a 150% return rate
[09:30]<Calum> looked terrible on the figures
[09:30]<+camerongray> yedah
[09:30]<+camerongray> yeah*
[09:30]<lucifer> I've had a laptop in my shop 4 times and all of them different things
[09:31]<+camerongray> Calum: Still interested in my i7 at some point? No rush
[09:31]<Calum> I don't think I'll be able to scrape the cash for it to be honest, hoping to move out at some point soon so
[09:32]<Calum> unfortunately the PC has to come second, or third, or something heh
[09:32]<+camerongray> Cool, no worries
[09:32]<Calum> should easily get that price for it though
[09:32]<Calum> I'll have to rock the Celeron for a bit longer
[09:32]<Calum> I nearly bought a 6990 the other day though haha, some guy was selling it ridiculously cheap
[09:33]<lucifer> Calumnim still on my pentium m and an athlon 64
[09:33]<+camerongray> cool
[09:33]<Calum> I downgraded from a 4GHz i7 with 24GB of RAM so it's hurting heh
[09:33]<+camerongray> Not sure what to do with my case though
[09:33]<+camerongray> Not sure if it's worth enough to sell
[09:34]<Calum> Cases are difficult, usually not worth much to sell
[09:34]<+camerongray> yeah
[09:34]<Calum> I almost threw my old Fractal in the tip, had it for sale for about 8 weeks
[09:34]<+camerongray> ahh
[09:34]<Calum> eventually someone bought it as a bundle deal with all my old watercooling gear
[09:34]<+camerongray> cool
[09:34]<Calum> but because it was modded, it was really difficult to shift
[09:34]<+camerongray> Mine isn't anything fancy
[09:34]<+camerongray> Sharkoon T9
[09:34]<+camerongray> Might use it for a server
[09:34]<Calum> the problem really is the cost of shipping
[09:35]<Calum> you might shift it locally
[09:35]<+camerongray> or if I'm doing a build for someone
[09:35]<+camerongray> That's what I did with my (your) Antec 900
[09:35]<+camerongray> My friend wanted a PC so I built it in that
[09:35]<Calum> yeah, that works
[09:36]<+camerongray> It was actually for his parents, they love the way it lights up and has a window :P
[09:36]<Calum> haha
[09:36]<lucifer> Hm ... I think I should be able to get $300-350 for my thinkpad
[09:37]<Calum> cool
[09:37]<+camerongray> cool
[09:37]<lucifer> I've put 220 in extra parts in it
[09:38]<lucifer> Hard drive ram CPU cooler battery
[09:39]<lucifer> Those all added up
[09:39]<Calum> yeah
[09:40]<lucifer> CPU is a sonana pentium m
[09:40]<+camerongray> Calum: What's the best way to ship a mono?
[09:40]<+camerongray> bobo*
[09:40]<+camerongray> grr
[09:41]<+camerongray> mobo*
[09:41]<+camerongray> I don't have the box
[09:41]<lucifer> Foam it up and bubble wrap it
[09:41]<+camerongray> yeah
[09:41]<Calum> antistatic bag, few layers of bubblewrap, then either a decent box or more bubblewrap and then brown paper it
[09:41]<Calum> box is better obviously
[09:41]<+camerongray> Cool
[09:41]<+camerongray> I have a box that's just full of old stuff
[09:41]<lucifer> I've used foam on shipping CPUs
[09:41]<+camerongray> Might be able to put it in that
[09:42]<Calum> main thing is to make sure it's protected from all angles, and if it's boxed that it can't move around inside
[09:42]<+camerongray> yeah
[09:42]<+camerongray> What about the CPU? I have the original box but don't want to mangle it too much
[09:42]<Calum> Have you got the plastic clamshell that it came in too?
[09:42]<+camerongray> yeah
[09:42]<+camerongray> and the stock cooler
[09:43]<Calum> either pack it into the original box, bubblewrap it and brown paper it, or just bubblewrap the processor in the plastic
[09:43]<Calum> depends if you sell it with the cooler or not
[09:43]<lucifer> Calum static
[09:43]<Calum> I sold my CPU with the board so I left it in
[09:44]<Calum> the original plastic clamshell is anti static
[09:44]<+camerongray> cool
[09:44]<lucifer> Ok
[09:44]<Calum> so as long as it's closed before you bubblewrap it, it'll be fine
[09:44]<lucifer> I've got antistatic plastic containers
[09:44]<Calum> yeah they're handy if you don't have the original packaging, definitely
[09:45]<lucifer> Yeah
[09:46]<lucifer> I've seriously got to get a new Heatsink and fan
[09:46]<lucifer> For my desktop
[09:46]<Calum> how come?
[09:47]<lucifer> My computer idles at 60c .....
[09:47]<Calum> bad times
[09:48]<lucifer> Yeah ...
[09:48]<Calum> what do you have?
[09:48]<Calum> just the stock heatsink?
[09:48]<lucifer> Stock hp Heatsink and fan
[09:48]<Calum> ah right
[09:48]<Calum> this computer I have now is the first time I've ever used a stock cooler, for my own build
[09:49]<lucifer> I'll be buying a zalman cooler
[09:49]<Calum> fair enough
[09:49]<lucifer> 2 ball all copper
[09:49]<lucifer> 110mm fan
[09:50]<Calum> Zalman coolers aren't bad, just can be a little pricy for the performance
[09:50]<lucifer> 35 dollars and it's known to for idling at 30c
[09:51]<+camerongray> Calum: How much should I list my i7 & board for?
[09:51]<Calum> for $35 you can't complain I guess. Have you looked at the Coolermaster Hyper 212 though? That's often cheaper, and also a very good cooler for the price
[09:51]<Calum> camerongray: on Ebay?
[09:51]<lucifer> Sff case
[09:51]<+camerongray> Ebay or HUKD
[09:51]<Calum> ahh, fair enough
[09:51]<+camerongray> Not got enough OCUK posts for the MM :(
[09:52]<Calum> MM sucks for selling stuff like that anyway, people just want to lowball
[09:52]<lucifer> I might get a differed case later
[09:52]<+camerongray> yeah
[09:52]<Calum> I'd list at ?160 inc delivery, and see how it goes
[09:52]<Calum> I think that's a realistic price, for both
[09:52]<+camerongray> What about individually?
[09:52]<Calum> probably ?85-90 for the CPU, about ?80 for the board
[09:53]<Calum> would be a good starting point anyway, you can always drop it a little if you don't get any bites
[09:53]<+camerongray> Cool
[09:53]<+camerongray> I'll stick it on HUKD at ?90 for both, people always haggle
[09:53]<Calum> sounds like a plan
[09:53]<Calum> I've never used HUKD for buying or selling, is it any good?
[09:54]<+camerongray> I sold my FX-8150/board/ssd
[09:54]<+camerongray> ?220 or something
[09:54]<Calum> fair enough
[09:54]<Calum> I'm a member there but never used that side of it
[09:54]<Calum> I might check it out
[09:54]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, do I advertise as over clocked or not?
[09:54]<+camerongray> overclocked*
[09:54]<Calum> wipe the BIOS, advertise as non overclocked
[09:55]<+camerongray> Cool
[09:55]<+camerongray> Can I wipe it with the CMOS jumper, don't want to have to assemble it all
[09:55]<Calum> if you were selling on an enthusiast site people sometimes want to know what clock it will do, on Ebay it makes no difference but can hurt the price sometimes
[09:55]<Calum> yeah you can just do that as long as you didn't save a profile
[09:56]<+camerongray> I don't think i did
[09:56]<+camerongray> What would happen if there was a profile?
[09:56]<Calum> I'd just do that then
[09:56]<Calum> it'll just be saved in the profile section so people could see it, and see the overclock settings. No big deal really
[09:56]<+camerongray> Yeah
[09:57]<Calum> could always say it was there from the previous owner if they kick up a fuss
[09:57]<+camerongray> Time to get pics .etc
[09:57]<Calum> cool
[09:57]<Calum> oh, a tip
[09:57]<+camerongray> Well, I won't say not over clocked either
[09:57]<+camerongray> yeah?
[09:57]<Calum> make sure you get a few close ups of the socket, to show no bent pins
[09:57]<+camerongray> thanks
[09:57]<Calum> and a picture/note of the serial number
[09:57]<+camerongray> Will do
[09:57]<Calum> otherwise someone will bend the pins and send it back, or send you a dead board
[09:58]<+camerongray> yeah
[09:58]<+camerongray> Damn! I don't have the socket protector
[09:59]<+camerongray> any ideas?
[09:59]<Calum> I'd be inclined to do my best to sell them together then, tricky to pack the board to guarantee the socket won't be damaged without the protector
[09:59]<+camerongray> yeah
[09:59]<Calum> I don't have a spare unfortunately or I'd send you one
[10:00]<+camerongray> wouldn't it be possible to stick a bit cardboard over it?
[10:00]<Calum> I wouldn't risk it personally, seen too many boards get damaged in transit without them
[10:00]<+camerongray> Yeah, will try and send together
[10:02]<+camerongray> brb
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[10:15]<Calum> I'm off for tonight I think
[10:15]<+camerongray> cya
[10:15]<+camerongray> wait, tonight :P
[10:16]<Calum> it's close enough heh
[10:16]<+camerongray> lol, I thought it was earlier
[10:16]<Calum> ah heh
[10:16]<Calum> catch you later
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[10:39]<+camerongray> grr, VPS died and came back up with one of the theme files missing
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[18:23]<Tux2> Ha! Multiverse-Inventories has nothing on MultiInv now! I can import all the data stored in Multiverse-Inventories into MultiInv flawlessly :D
[18:24]<lucifer> Nice
[18:25]<@BC_Programming> glaciem has killed me three times in the PvP world but he will get his JUST DESSERTS on his next visit
[18:27]<Tux2> lol!
[18:28]<Tux2> lol, I just realized that Multiverse-Inventories only imports data from MultiInv if the server has been set up to use flat files
[18:29]<Tux2> It doesn't have a way to import data from MultiInv's mySQL database.
[18:29]<@BC_Programming> yet :P
[18:29]<Tux2> Thing is, I'm using Multiverse-Inventories public API, so I support any format Multiverse-Inventories can support.
[18:30]<Tux2> So no matter what storage it's in. ;)
[18:30]<@BC_Programming> cool
[18:31]<Tux2> Oh, and the latest dev build of MultiInv breaks the whole import functionality of Multiverse-Inventories. :D
[18:32]<Tux2> https://github.com/Pluckerpluck/MultiInv/commit/65e3c2b4ad7b3b44c090d9ba1a64b17a107687dd
[18:33]<@BC_Programming> cool
[18:34]<@BC_Programming> strategically I don't think I can beat glaciem in a direct conflict, because he's such a high level in a lot of stuff, and has better eq
[18:34]<@BC_Programming> which is why I've created an ornate system of traps that aren't deadly to me but would be to anybody that follows me
[18:34]<@BC_Programming> heheheh
[18:34]<Tux2> rofl!
[18:35]<@BC_Programming> my escape shaft for example, normal, it falls into water and you don't get hurt
[18:35]<@BC_Programming> but I also land on a touchplate that extends a piston above the water so anybody falling right after me will die, HAHAHA
[18:36]<Tux2> lol!
[18:36]<@BC_Programming> I have stuff like that all over the place
[18:36]<Tux2> Oh, BC_Programming, I'm thinking of doing something nasty in the next version of MultiInv
[18:36]<@BC_Programming> oh?
[18:37]<Tux2> Make the old groups variable just have an empty hashmap :D
[18:37]<Tux2> So no import from multiinv gets done!
[18:37]<@BC_Programming> that would empty all inventories, right?
[18:37]<Tux2> It looks like it works, yet it doesn't
[18:38]<Tux2> lol, it would break the import so that Multiverse-Inventories would import no files.
[18:38]<Tux2> Yet so that it said that the import was successful
[18:39]<Tux2> That way users just think that the plugin's import function is broken
[18:39]<Tux2> When in reality my plugin is just feeding it bad data.
[18:41]<Tux2> Nah, I'm not going to do that... I'll just break the import for a little while until the devs over there figure it out.
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