Session Start: Wed Apr 11 00:00:00 2012 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
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[07:55]<+camerongray> hey jacky
[07:56]<@jacky> camerongray: Hello
[07:56]<+camerongray> Got my VPS working properly :D
[07:56]<@jacky> oh?
[07:57]<@jacky> it wasn't?
[07:57]<+camerongray> Well, had issues getting the web server running
[07:57]<+camerongray> And the email to work with outlook
[07:57]<+camerongray> But everything works now
[07:57]<@jacky> I'm glad you got it all going
[07:58]<+camerongray> Thanks
[07:58]<+camerongray> Learned a lot from it
[07:58]<@jacky> would you like me to run a timer, in some #eggdrop channels?
[07:58]<+camerongray> Timer?
[07:58]<@jacky> "Free shells : camerongray@something.com "
[07:58]<@jacky> <g>
[07:58]<+camerongray> lol - No IRC allowed sadly :P
[07:58]<@jacky> heheeh
[07:58]<@jacky> no IRC??
[07:58]<@jacky> wow
[07:58]<+camerongray> Yeah
[07:58]<@jacky> did they say why?
[07:59]<+camerongray> Security, IRC servers are used in hacking
[07:59]<@jacky> wow.
[07:59]<+camerongray> But it's Windows so shells wouldn't work that well
[07:59]<@jacky> did you say that you had a choice of Windows or linux?
[08:00]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:00]<@jacky> why did you choose windows?
[08:00]<+camerongray> Easier to set up IMO
[08:00]<@jacky> ok
[08:00]<+camerongray> Can simply RDC in
[08:00]<@BC_Programming> I wonder that was well
[08:00]<@jacky> what is RDC?
[08:00]<@jacky> BC_Programming: Hello
[08:00]<+camerongray> Remote Desktop Conenction
[08:00]<+camerongray> Like VNC
[08:00]<@jacky> ok
[08:00]<@BC_Programming> jacky:hello
[08:00]<@jacky> got plans for it?
[08:00]<+camerongray> And the control panel I used has a simple Windows installer
[08:00]<@jacky> websites?
[08:00]<+camerongray> Just hosting websites - yep
[08:01]<@BC_Programming> Time it takes to get Linux setup as a server? 20 minutes
[08:01]<@BC_Programming> Windows? hell if I know, I gave up after three days
[08:01]<+camerongray> With control panel?
[08:01]<@jacky> but... doesn't the internet world run on linux? wouldn't learning that be a better learning experience?
[08:01]<+camerongray> I suppose
[08:01]<@jacky> ok
[08:01]<+camerongray> But using Apache .etc is the same on Windows
[08:01]<+camerongray> Just the setup
[08:01]<@BC_Programming> the only downside to using Linux is that you'll probably have to deal with PHP
[08:02]<@jacky> no php with windows?
[08:02]<+camerongray> Plus, If I get this job I may find myself working on ASP stuff
[08:02]<+camerongray> yep, PHP too
[08:02]<@jacky> ( obviously, I know zilch about it)
[08:02]<@BC_Programming> jacky: no, it has PHP too
[08:02]<+camerongray> I LOVE PHP :D
[08:02]<@jacky> What is ASP ?
[08:02]<+camerongray> Microsoft's answer to PHP
[08:02]<@BC_Programming> PHP is the most disgusting language ever created in the history of mankind
[08:02]<@jacky> php is a scripting language, isn't it?
[08:02]<+camerongray> I love it!
[08:02]<+camerongray> yeah
[08:02]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: except PHP is actually designed by people with brain cells
[08:02]<@jacky> BC_Programming: MDL ?
[08:02]<@BC_Programming> isn't*
[08:03]<@jacky> heh
[08:03]<+camerongray> lol
[08:03]<+camerongray> I'm currently hosting my blog at camerongray.me (Stay away BC, it has PHP on it)
[08:03]<@BC_Programming> I'm not kidding. It's disgusting and is only the result of "worse is better"
[08:03]<+camerongray> And http://www.unshorten.it/
[08:03]<+camerongray> You will use Unshorten it and you will find it very useful!
[08:04]<@BC_Programming> yeah my site runs on PHP too, that doesn't mean I have to love it
[08:04]<+camerongray> lo
[08:04]<+camerongray> lol*
[08:04]<@jacky> that sounds a bit perverted....
[08:04]<+camerongray> The unshorten it bit, or the loving PHP bit?
[08:04]<@jacky> "...use Unshorten it..."
[08:04]<@jacky> like a spam email
[08:04]<@jacky> heheheeh
[08:04]<+camerongray> lol
[08:04]<+camerongray> It helps you stay safe with short urls
[08:04]<+camerongray> Tells you the destination of it
[08:05]<+camerongray> And gives WOT ratings
[08:05]<@jacky> now that you say that, I think I remember you talking about it here
[08:05]<+camerongray> I've also made firefox and chrome extensions for it
[08:05]<+camerongray> A lot faster now with the VPS
[08:05]<@jacky> published them?
[08:05]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:05]<+camerongray> http://unshorten.it/extensions.php
[08:05]<@jacky> anybody d/l and use?
[08:05]<@jacky> any comments?
[08:05]<+camerongray> Yep
[08:05]<+camerongray> Let me check
[08:05]<@jacky> I just want to know if I know somebody that is famous....
[08:06]<@jacky> <g>
[08:06]<+camerongray> lol
[08:06]<@jacky> besides BC, of course
[08:06]<+camerongray> 629 users of the chrome extension
[08:06]<+camerongray> 802 of the firefox one
[08:06]<@jacky> Chrome... that's a MDB, right?
[08:06]<+camerongray> MDB?
[08:06]<@jacky> Most Disgusting Browswer
[08:06]<@jacky> heh
[08:06]<+camerongray> lol
[08:06]<+camerongray> I love it!
[08:07]<@jacky> BC_Programming: has started something, without intending to
[08:07]<+camerongray> lol
[08:07]<+camerongray> So yeah, not famous :P
[08:07]<@jacky> did any of them comment?
[08:08]<@jacky> (is there a way for them to comment?)
[08:08]<+camerongray> Just a couple saying they liked it and it worked
[08:08]<@jacky> cool
[08:08]<@jacky> better than a F*** Y**
[08:08]<@jacky> heheh
[08:08]<+camerongray> lol
[08:08]<@jacky> !seen calum
[08:08]<@BC_Programming> I can't even say specifically what is wrong with PHP
[08:08]<@jacky> it is a MDL
[08:08]<@jacky> you said so
[08:08]<@jacky> heh
[08:09]<@BC_Programming> I guess it's like.... OK, imagine you have this set of tools. Looks OK, mostly standard stuff here
[08:09]<+camerongray> Although, speaking of famous my Youtube channel just hit 88 subscribers and 36,473 views XD
[08:09]<@BC_Programming> (analogy being PHP is the toolbox)
[08:09]<@BC_Programming> you pull out a screwdriver
[08:09]<@jacky> nekkid wimmen on the youtube channel? ... that'll do it
[08:09]<+camerongray> hahaha!
[08:09]<@BC_Programming> and it's one of those weird tri-headed things, not very useful, but hey I guess it comes in handy sometimes
[08:09]<+camerongray> Computers and phones :P
[08:10] * @jacky is sometimes a weird tri-headed thing
[08:10]<@BC_Programming> Then you pull out a hammer, and you find it has that claw part on both sides... still servicable though since you can use it sideways
[08:10]<+camerongray> HAHAHA
[08:10]<@jacky> BC_Programming: so PHP is GREAT for weird people that like to do weird things, efficiently?
[08:10]<+camerongray> RE Calum: He's fine, speaking to him on Facebook
[08:10]<@BC_Programming> you pull out the pliers, but you find it doesn't have a serrated clawgrip, it's flat, less useful, but still turns bolts so whatever
[08:10]<@BC_Programming> on on you go
[08:10]<@jacky> camerongray: tell him I said Hi, please. tnx
[08:11]<+camerongray> Will do
[08:11]<+camerongray> Or join Facebook and add him as a friend :P
[08:11]<@BC_Programming> Everything in the box is weird, quirky, but maybe just barely servicable to not be completely worthless. There is no clear problem with the toolbox as a whole
[08:11]<@jacky> nah...
[08:11]<@jacky> heh
[08:11]<+camerongray> He just posted pictures of his dog! I want his dog so badly!
[08:11]<@jacky> what kind of dog?
[08:11]<@BC_Programming> except PHP is used a lot, so it's like
[08:11]<@jacky> is it weird?
[08:11]<@jacky> what is PHP used a lot for?
[08:11]<+camerongray> German Shepherd + Something else
[08:11]<+camerongray> Ears are so pointy!
[08:11]<@BC_Programming> imagine you meet millions of carpenters using this toolbox who tell you "How can you have a problem with these tools, it's all I've ever used and it works fine"
[08:12]<@jacky> that's a Bite Your ASS kind of dog then
[08:12]<+camerongray> Nah, more a "I'll just lay here" type dog :P
[08:12]<+camerongray> hehehe, it looks like it's smiling!
[08:12]<@jacky> mess with him... you'll find out
[08:12]<@BC_Programming> And they show the houses they built, where every room is a pentagon and the roof is upside down, and you knock on the door and the entire thing collapses inwards, and they yell at you for breaking their door
[08:12]<@jacky> what is PHP used a lot for?
[08:12]<+camerongray> lol
[08:12]<+camerongray> Web development
[08:12]<@BC_Programming> <THAT> is what is wrong with PHP
[08:12]<@BC_Programming> </rant>
[08:12]<+camerongray> I want a St Bernard though :P
[08:13]<+camerongray> Like "Jub Jub" on Youtube
[08:13]<@jacky> BC_Programming: I see an oppotunity for you to make a billion bucks. Come up with something better
[08:13]<@BC_Programming> ok
[08:13]<@jacky> jub jub ?
[08:13]<@BC_Programming> Python, Perl, Ruby...
[08:13]<+camerongray> Big St Bernard on Youtube, I want him!
[08:13]<@jacky> too late, huh?
[08:13]<@BC_Programming> there where is my million bucks
[08:13]<@BC_Programming> heh
[08:14]<@jacky> camerongray: do you have any idea of the size of the land mines, that a St. Bernhard cay lay down in your yard??
[08:14]<+camerongray> lol - I can imagine!
[08:14]<+camerongray> But think of the hugs!
[08:15]<@jacky> web development and PHP: what happens? the browser can interpret the script, and do something?
[08:15]<@jacky> if the script is on a web page
[08:15]<+camerongray> Athough I got knocked over by a jack russel beagle cross, wouldn't fare well with a bernard :P
[08:15]<@BC_Programming> no, the script is run on the server
[08:15]<+camerongray> Yeah, server side scripting
[08:15]<@jacky> and what triggers it to run? when a user loads the web page?
[08:15]<+camerongray> Usually used to make a web page using content from a database
[08:15]<+camerongray> yeah
[08:15]<@BC_Programming> like the IRC logs thing on my site, that is a generated on the fly from the FTP directory directly on the server, the browser just sees the HTML it gives back
[08:15]<+camerongray> Although you can call it over AJAX
[08:16]<@jacky> BC_Programming: so your PHP is creating HTML on the fly, for the browser to put on my screen?
[08:16]<@jacky> what is AJAX?
[08:16]<+camerongray> A way to pull data from PHP script without reloading the page
[08:17]<@BC_Programming> Asynchronous Javascript and XML
[08:17]<+camerongray> If you look at this URL: http://unshorten.it/unshorten.php?shortURL=http://bit.ly/VDcn
[08:17]<@BC_Programming> jacky: and yes
[08:17]<+camerongray> The bit at the end is a parameter
[08:17]<@jacky> ok
[08:17]<+camerongray> That is passed to PHP which reads it, processes the URL and then returns an HTML page
[08:18]<+camerongray> It's the language that things like Wordpress and forum software works off of
[08:18]<+camerongray> Mainly due to its very good integration with MySQL databases
[08:18]<@BC_Programming> what has good integration with MySQL databases?
[08:19]<@BC_Programming> if you mean PHP, it's no better than Python or Perl, as far as I can tell...
[08:19]<@jacky> http://www.oocities.org/gifspolice/dog1.jpg "The bit at the end is a parameter"
[08:19]<+camerongray> lol - I tend to use PHP since it's so common
[08:19]<+camerongray> lol
[08:20]<@BC_Programming> exactly... worse is better philosophy
[08:20]<@BC_Programming> "it's not great, but it's what I'm used to"
[08:20]<@jacky> BC_Programming: Here, have a 7 sided allen wrench
[08:20]<@BC_Programming> heh
[08:21]<@jacky> BC_Programming: seriously... that often prevails. Popularity wins out, not quality. (VHS vs. Beta)
[08:22]<@BC_Programming> yep, that's why PHP is popular
[08:22]<@BC_Programming> somehow it got to a dominant position and now everybody just quietly accepts it
[08:24]<@jacky> sounds like Windows
[08:24]<@jacky> heh
[08:25]<@BC_Programming> maybe
[08:26]<+camerongray> lol
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[08:32]<@BC_Programming> RichTextFormat is a pain to work with
[08:36]<@jacky> as opposed to PoorTextFormat?
[08:37]<@BC_Programming> No as opposed to something sane
[08:37]<@jacky> heh
[08:37]<@BC_Programming> it's not so much rtf itself but the fact that there is so little actual documentation aside from reading the spec
[08:39]<@jacky> you'd think it would be discussed, around the 'net
[08:39]<@BC_Programming> everything I find on google leads me straight back to the same boring spec
[08:40]<@jacky> frustrating, when that happens
[08:41]<@BC_Programming> yep
[08:41]<@BC_Programming> I'm trying to make a paragraph have a diagonal hatched background
[08:42]<@BC_Programming> it's in the spec, but I've tried it and it's not working... so I must be doing something wrong
[08:43]<Nepherius> wait.. there's someting you don't know ?o.0
[08:43]<Nepherius> I always thought you are some computer genius :)
[08:43]<@BC_Programming> says it should be \bgfdiag \cfpat# \cbpat#
[08:44]<@BC_Programming> replacing # with indexes into the colour table, but it doesn't show up as a forward diagonal background hmmm
[08:53]<@jacky> isn't there some forum or something? for quick answers to specific questions like that?
[08:53]<@jacky> Nepherius: Hello
[08:55]<@BC_Programming> well I would have guessed it would have shown up in my queries of zee google
[08:56]<@jacky> hmmph..
[08:56]<@jacky> true
[08:56]<@jacky> Ask Neph
[08:56]<@jacky> heh
[08:57]<@BC_Programming> I'm going to have to experiment with wordpad and manually editing rtf files
[08:58]<@jacky> known as, "figger it out"
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[09:17]<+camerongray> Nooooo! BC Pinged out!
[09:18]<@Mulreay> Probably my fault for coming back in
[09:27]<+camerongray> Yepper
[09:27]<+camerongray> lol - wrong chan
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[09:46]<+camerongray> WB!
[09:46]<@BC_Programming> heh
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[09:55]<@Mulreay> camerongray just the man
[09:55]<@Mulreay> somebody has broken your cobblestone generator and not sure how to fix it
[09:55]<+camerongray> D'OH!
[09:56]<+camerongray> WIll have a look
[09:56]<@Mulreay> I'm there now will teleport you
[09:56]<+camerongray> Mumble Mumble&. Why can't people just USE it rather than trying to fix it :P
[09:56]<+camerongray> Few secs, finding something on TV
[09:56]<@Mulreay> I've told mophead to stop trying to fix it
[09:57]<+camerongray> kk
[09:58]<@Mulreay> and hey BC_Programming
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[10:09]<@Mulreay> WB BC_Programming from what must have been an adventure... I can only imagine the things you must have seen....
[10:09]<+camerongray> lol
[10:16]<@BC_Programming> lol
[10:21]<@BC_Programming> and now out of nowhere internet speed is abysmal again
[10:21]<@BC_Programming> was fun while it lasted though
[10:22]<@jacky> s l o w n o w ?
[10:22]<Nepherius> hey jacky :)
[10:22]<@jacky> heh
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[10:28]<@BC_Programming> GRGRRRR
[10:28]<@jacky> try: [meow] next time
[10:28]<@jacky> heh
[10:28]<+camerongray> lol
[10:29]<@jacky> he just isn't very bear like, is he?
[10:29]<+camerongray> Time to build a fireplace in my wooden house, EEK!
[10:29]<+camerongray> In Minecraft that is :P
[10:29]<@Mulreay> wow, can I watch :p
[10:30]<+camerongray> If you want to come to me :P
[10:30]<@Mulreay> I love a good wheeze
[10:30]<@BC_Programming> you could replace the wooden planks with double-wooden slabs so they don't catch fire
[10:30]<+camerongray> Oh yeah jacky - Here is a video of us all playing together on the Minecraft server, see if it makes you want the game :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KbdGSRfVKI&context=C44993f2ADvjVQa1PpcFO00E7GApMD8DumA5epNPmV1UoHdcoWq3o=
[10:30]<@BC_Programming> is that the big dig?
[10:31]<+camerongray> Yah
[10:31]<@BC_Programming> tbh it looks boring. mostly because I'm not there
[10:31]<@Mulreay> heh
[10:31]<+camerongray> lol
[10:31]<+camerongray> But anything to get jacky on :P
[10:31]<@BC_Programming> see I would have made it interesting
[10:31]<@BC_Programming> none of this pussyfooting around calculating where to build bridges across lava
[10:31]<+camerongray> BC: Post your server tour
[10:32]<@BC_Programming> but that's old
[10:32]<@BC_Programming> and I'd have to get a webpage to load to get the url
[10:32]<@BC_Programming> and that probably is not going to happen now
[10:32]<+camerongray> Ahh - I'll find it
[10:32]<@jacky> camerongray: but.. but... where's Kate Upton?? (that would do it!)
[10:33]<+camerongray> Erm, she's there :P
[10:33]<@jacky> oh God!! it finally happened.... my vision is shot!!
[10:33]<+camerongray> lol
[10:33]<@BC_Programming> who's Kate Upton
[10:33]<@jacky> if anybody can't see THAT, then they are blind....
[10:34]<@jacky> BC_Programming: put this in google images: kate upton si cover
[10:34]<@jacky> heh
[10:34]<@BC_Programming> yeah sure... just give me about an hour to load google
[10:34]<@BC_Programming> heh
[10:34]<@jacky> oh.. sorry
[10:35]<@jacky> She's the one on the cover of Sports Illustrated swim suit issue this year
[10:35]<@jacky> although her "swim suit" wouldn't make a good handderchief... heheheeh
[10:35]<+camerongray> lol
[10:35]<+camerongray> You really should try mine craft out
[10:35]<@jacky> She is highly qualified for that job though
[10:35]<@jacky> highly
[10:35]<@BC_Programming> dunno why IRC seems OK but the web has gone down to about 400 bytes/sec
[10:36]<@jacky> irc is text... not much data moving... you might not notice it
[10:36]<@jacky> ?
[10:36]<@jacky> I used to use IRC on 14400 dial up modem... from my memory, it was just like now
[10:36]<+camerongray> jacky: Here's a server tour BC did a while back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgByZeELFv8&feature=plcp&context=C45270eeVDvjVQa1PpcFPQElHImr4sV9jMKIuGZWlI37X20jvmUx4%3D
[10:37]<@BC_Programming> heh that was funny when that one guy was like "sleep?"
[10:37]<+camerongray> Yeah
[10:37]<@BC_Programming> or told me to use a bed
[10:37]<+camerongray> And the flaming fire towers :P
[10:37]<@BC_Programming> and I ranted about it heh
[10:37]<@Mulreay> heh yeah
[10:37]<@BC_Programming> "I have a better idea how about you go screw yourself" or something
[10:37]<@jacky> camerongray: save that link.... if ever the day comes when I want/need it. :)
[10:37]<+camerongray> lol
[10:38]<+camerongray> Please consider it :P
[10:38]<+camerongray> The big server events are fun too
[10:38]<@Mulreay> Well the one was
[10:38]<+camerongray> And the one before
[10:39]<@BC_Programming> oh you know what it might just be my bank's website that is slow
[10:39]<+camerongray> lol
[10:41]<@BC_Programming> uptime of 20 days as well, could be due a reboot
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[11:19]<@Calum> hey guys
[11:19]<@jacky> Calum: good afternoon(evening)
[11:19]<@jacky> :)
[11:20]<@Calum> good evening (afternoon) :)
[11:20]<@jacky> heh
[11:20]<@jacky> how's you?
[11:20]<@Calum> very good indeed thanks, yourself?
[11:20]<@jacky> doing ok
[11:21]<@Calum> that's good. Been a while since I've been here heh, well I popped on a few days ago but other than that it's been a while
[11:21]<@jacky> good to 'see' you, as always
[11:21]<@Calum> likewise
[11:21]<@jacky> chilly here... for spring
[11:22]<@jacky> Saturday though... supposed to hit the 70's for a few days
[11:22]<@jacky> :)
[11:22]<@jacky> pretty soon, I'll be b*tching about the heat... heheeh
[11:22]<@Calum> funny weather here...been really sunny the last few days but very cold still, then it absolutely poured with rain for an hour or so
[11:22]<@Calum> hehe
[11:22]<@jacky> we NEED some rain
[11:22]<@jacky> TV says we are behind, already, for the year
[11:22]<@Calum> ah, that sucks
[11:23]<@jacky> if we don't get it, yes... it will
[11:23]<@jacky> warm winter... things are up and growing, already
[11:23]<@Calum> the sun's out again here, now
[11:24]<@jacky> how's car(s)?
[11:24]<@jacky> heh
[11:24]<@Calum> heh, not too bad, had to spend a bit of money on it I think last month, but other than that all good. Went to Wales and back on sunday and it did very well :)
[11:24]<@jacky> is that a long way?
[11:24]<@Calum> just over 300 miles return trip
[11:25]<@jacky> ok
[11:25]<@jacky> thought of you the other day
[11:25]<@Calum> takes about 3 hours each way because some of the roads are quite slow or twisty
[11:25]<@jacky> a friend's son, is helping his friend with a car
[11:25]<@jacky> it is a VW
[11:25]<@jacky> gas, not diesel
[11:25]<@jacky> with a 1.something liter engine
[11:25]<@jacky> tiny little thing
[11:25]<@jacky> they put a turbo on it
[11:25]<@jacky> expect like 400 hp, and 400 foot-lbs of torque!
[11:25]<@Calum> nice
[11:26]<@jacky> and routed the exhaust straight out the side of the car! cut a hole in the fender!!
[11:26]<@jacky> looks stupid, to me
[11:26]<@Calum> haha, side exit exhaust, nice
[11:26]<@jacky> and for a 4 cyl, is fairly loud
[11:26]<@jacky> sounds like a constant fart, to me
[11:26]<@jacky> heheeh
[11:26]<@Calum> haha, probably sounds like mine
[11:26]<@jacky> I haven't seen them really jump on it, but they have high hopes
[11:27]<@Calum> that's cool
[11:27]<@jacky> and get this... they LIKE the raggedy look
[11:27]<@jacky> rust, etc.
[11:27]<@Calum> ohh, no...they call it the "rat" look here
[11:27]<@jacky> they call it rat rod here
[11:27]<@Calum> usually old VWs, they like to "stance" them too...lower them right down, stretched tyres and stuff like that
[11:27]<@Calum> mm, yeah I think I've heard that here sometimes too
[11:27]<@jacky> oh.. forgot.. this one is so low, that the tires just barely clear
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[11:28]<@Calum> sounds about right heh
[11:28]<@Calum> not a fan of it myself but whatever floats your boat
[11:28]<@jacky> "whatever floats your boat" ... yep
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[11:28]<@jacky> ain't MY style
[11:28]<@jacky> yours is a diesel, correct?
[11:29]<@Calum> nope, my old one was
[11:29]<@jacky> ah
[11:29]<@jacky> is your current one turbo charged?
[11:29]<@Calum> nope, I wish heh
[11:29]<@jacky> this whole thing looks like a lot of junk to me... not pretty at all...
[11:29]<@jacky> but... it is supposed to go
[11:30]<@jacky> we shall see
[11:30]<@Calum> heh
[11:30]<@Calum> I was quite surprised at my fuel economy on this last trip
[11:31]<@Calum> considering the nature of the roads, loads of hills and stuff, and I had my whole family in the car plus the dog in the boot
[11:32]<@Calum> managed 39.8mpg which is quite impressive for that car, I've had a little more out of it but that was basically straight line driving with just me in the car, no extra weight
[11:32]<@jacky> I'm surprised that the diff wasn't much greater
[11:32]<@jacky> you put the dog in the trunk??
[11:32]<@Calum> my diesel, I got 56mpg everywhere pretty much, but it was nowhere near as much fun. I did kind of miss it the other day though, it was quite ideal for hills and all that
[11:32]<@jacky> heheehe
[11:32]<@Calum> heh, yeah, he wouldn't have fitted anywhere else really
[11:32]<@jacky> why? was it better on hills?
[11:33]<@jacky> aren't you risking gassing him, in the trunk?
[11:33]<@Calum> yeah, more torque, this doesn't develop much torque till quite high in the rev range
[11:33]<@jacky> ok on torque..
[11:33]<@Calum> why's that?
[11:33]<@jacky> exhaust fumes
[11:33]<@jacky> if there is any leak at all in the piping....
[11:33]<@jacky> if everything is perfect, then it is ok
[11:34]<@Calum> well, the trunk/boot is still part of the car, it's not separated or anything, so if there were any exhaust fumes I'm sure they would be noticeable in the rest of the car too?
[11:34]<@jacky> didn't he mind being shut up in the dark like that though? heheheeh
[11:34]<@jacky> oh. ok
[11:34]<@Calum> oh, it's a hatchback, not a saloon, if that makes a difference
[11:34]<@jacky> like what I would call a hatchback then
[11:34]<@jacky> what is a saloon?
[11:35]<@Calum> where the boot is quite a bit smaller and there's basically a section that lifts up, whereas with a hatchback normally it's like the whole rear window comes up too? I don't know how to explain it better heh
[11:35]<@jacky> I think it might be what we call a sedan
[11:35]<@Calum> yes, that's it
[11:35]<@jacky> cool
[11:36]<@jacky> sounds like you had fun
[11:36]<@jacky> I hope the dog didn't crap in the car... heheehehe
[11:36]<@Calum> yeah, it was a good day, weather wasn't fantastic but it was fun
[11:36]<@Calum> hehe, no, he's good about stuff like that
[11:36]<@Calum> he behaves well, doesn't stick his head up when I'm trying to use the rear view mirror and such
[11:36]<@jacky> what else is new?
[11:37]<@Calum> new computer
[11:37]<@Calum> I downsized
[11:37]<@jacky> oh?
[11:37]<@Calum> yeah, I don't game all that much right now so I sold off my watercooled 4GHz 24GB of RAM beast and I have a nice little rig which is still pretty fast for general use
[11:37]<@Calum> used the profit on a new monitor, keyboard and mouse
[11:38]<@jacky> nice (i.e. BIG) monitor?
[11:38]<@Calum> well, it's just an inch bigger than my old one, but much better quality and resolution
[11:38]<@jacky> what do you call a "nice little right which is still pretty fast" now-a-days?
[11:38]<@Calum> it's the same panel used in the expensive Dell and Apple monitors, but it's from a south Korean manuf. and is half the price :)
[11:38]<@jacky> I don't even know what the resolution is on this one. heheehe
[11:39]<@jacky> I think it is 20 inch wide
[11:39]<@jacky> much nicer than my old CRTs that I used for years
[11:39]<@jacky> heh
[11:39]<@Calum> well, I have one of the new Celeron CPUs which hardly uses any power at all, still kept my SSD and HDD, and kept 8GB of RAM because it's not worth much, then I got a cheap dedicated graphics card
[11:39]<@Calum> for the PC itself, it set me back under ?200, probably around ?150
[11:40]<@jacky> what speed is the Celeron? how many cores, etc.
[11:40]<@jacky> Asus mb?
[11:40]<@Calum> dual core 2.4GHz
[11:40]<@Calum> yeah, I was going to buy a Gigabyte but they were out of stock so I got an Asus
[11:40]<@jacky> that's similar to what I built two years ago.
[11:40]<@Calum> it's not a bad board I guess, I did have issues at first but it's working fine now
[11:40]<@jacky> I thought you loved Asus
[11:40]<@jacky> issues?
[11:40]<@Calum> yeah, the Gigabyte was just cheaper heh
[11:41]<@jacky> ah
[11:41]<@Calum> no need for a nice expensive board, I don't need any special features or anything
[11:41]<@jacky> why Celeron though?
[11:41]<@jacky> isn't that a cheaper Intel chip?
[11:41]<@Calum> mhm, when I originally updated the BIOS, every time I started the PC it went back into the flash BIOS menu, for some reason. EVentually I reflashed it and it worked fine
[11:41]<@jacky> you flashed a brand new board??
[11:41]<@jacky> heheheeh
[11:42]<@Calum> it is, but it's still pretty fast, it's based on the Sandy Bridge architecture which is nippy. Plus, it was ?30, so very cheap. Best price/performance on the market by far
[11:42]<@Calum> I did, because the release BIOSes are, simply, <censored>
[11:42]<@jacky> 30 pounds IS cheap. whew
[11:42]<@jacky> ok on bios's
[11:42]<@Calum> it's about equivalent to an Athlon II at about 3GHz, but uses less power
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[11:43]<@BC_Programming> hi Calum :)
[11:43]<@jacky> without checking, that is exactly what I have... Athlon II at 3.0 ghz
[11:43]<@Calum> I mean, udner load, on the stock cooler, we're talking about 40C, which is excellent, the PC as a whole will use around 90W at full load
[11:43]<@Calum> hey BC :)
[11:43]<@jacky> with desktop though... is there much need to be concerned with power difference?
[11:43]<@Calum> not especially, but power = heat, which was one of my main concerns really. Plus it was the cheapest CPU anyway
[11:44]<@jacky> ok
[11:44]<@jacky> heat is THAT big of a concern? in a well fanned case?
[11:44]<@jacky> let me change speedfan to C
[11:44]<@jacky> brb
[11:44]<@Calum> I have a little micro ATX case, a really quiet 450W PSU, one very slow intake fan and the CPU fan, my graphics card is passively cooled. So basically very little heat, very little power usage and noise, but still pretty quick.
[11:45]<@Calum> Oh, no, it's more the heat in my room than the heat in the PC
[11:45]<@jacky> ah
[11:45]<@Calum> Just trying to keep my room cool for summer, my beast was fine in the winter when it kept me toasty but not so much in summer
[11:45]<@jacky> temp 1 is 27C temp2 is 51C and temp3 is 44c
[11:45]<@BC_Programming> I don't think I've ever flashed the BIOS in my desktop
[11:45]<@BC_Programming> the build one anyway, I flashed it on my K6-2 though... but that didn't have the desired effect
[11:46]<@Calum> jacky: 27C is probably the CPU, if it's mostly idle, sounds about right
[11:46]<@jacky> 50% use
[11:46]<@Calum> BC - I tend to flash them as a matter of course, fed up with buggy BIOSes. Plus I could just return it if it had gone wrong, which I doubt would've happened
[11:47]<@jacky> could it be measuring the two cores seperately?
[11:47]<@Calum> temp2 and 3 could be the cores and that might be right too...hard to say. At 50% use one core won't be at 27C
[11:47]<@Calum> so I'd guess it's 51/44
[11:47]<@jacky> I ask, because temp2 comes down, if I stop FAH
[11:48]<@jacky> just stopped FAH... give it a couple min
[11:48]<@Calum> hm, maybe that's just the overall temperature then if the other two don't change...no way they'd be 20C+ apart
[11:48]<@jacky> give it a couple min, and I'll report here again
[11:48]<@Calum> alright
[11:49]<@jacky> now.. done to like 1 to 2, and sometimes less CPU use
[11:49]<@jacky> heh
[11:49]<@jacky> %
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[11:50]<@Calum> how are the temps now?
[11:50]<@jacky> not sure if they will drop anymore, but
[11:50]<@jacky> 27 34 35
[11:50]<@Calum> I'd say temp2 and temp3 are your CPU cores then
[11:51]<@Calum> sounds about right
[11:51]<@jacky> for ref: <@jacky> temp 1 is 27C temp2 is 51C and temp3 is 44c
[11:51]<@jacky> and that temp2 is the one that was mostly doing the work?
[11:51]<@Calum> yep
[11:51]<@jacky> 50% would be one core at 100%, right?
[11:51]<@Calum> I'm at 27/28 idle right now, for reference
[11:51]<@Calum> yes
[11:51]<@jacky> what is the temp of temp3 caused by? proximity to the active core?
[11:52]<@jacky> as it changed, just not as much
[11:52]<@Calum> yeah pretty much, when you consider the cores are only mm apart, one heating up will heat the other
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[11:52]<@Calum> hey mulreay
[11:52]<@jacky> and... I wonder what speedfan thinks temp1 is?
[11:52]<@jacky> Mulreay: Hello
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[11:52]<@Calum> could be anything...might be nothing at all, maybe ambient temperature, maybe chipset
[11:52]<@Mulreay> hey calum and jacky how goes it
[11:53]<@jacky> it goes
[11:53]<@jacky> heh
[11:53]<@Mulreay> heh
[11:53]<@Calum> speefan reads all sensors by default so theyre not always anything meaningful, I always ended up with a few at 255C and crazy stuff like that heh
[11:53]<@Calum> going alright here thanks, yourself?
[11:53]<@Mulreay> good thx
[11:54]<@Calum> cool cool. Want to buy a graphics card? ;)
[11:54]<@Mulreay> heh, I'm good thx.. mine does what I need
[11:54]<@Calum> heh, worth a try
[11:54]<@Mulreay> always :)
[11:54]<@Calum> only have that and my case to flog on now
[11:54]<@jacky> Mulreay: (you should have offered him like 5 bucks)
[11:55]<@Calum> heh, already had a lot of offers, just nothing I want to sell for, yet
[11:55]<@Mulreay> And he would definately have said no because that's like ?3
[11:55]<@Calum> gonna Ebay it this weekend I think
[11:55]<@jacky> Mulreay: (see? heheh )
[11:57]<@Calum> quite annoying if I do have to ebay it, I want it to go to an enthusiast as it's a pretty golden card in terms of overclocking
[11:57]<@Calum> second fastes 470 I've seen
[11:57]<@Calum> *fastest
[11:58]<@Calum> it beat a 580 in benchmarks, when the 580 was over ?400
[11:58]<@Mulreay> nice
[11:59]<@Mulreay> Has camerongray said hello to you?
[11:59]<@Calum> not today heh why?
[11:59]<@Mulreay> He hates missing you.. tears and all sorts will follow :)
[11:59]<@Calum> hahaha
[12:00]<+camerongray> Hey Calum
[12:00]<@Calum> I'm expecting him on my FB later, he likes it when I get new PC bits and I have a new monitor which I'm sure he'll like
[12:00]<@Calum> oh, hey there
[12:00]<@Mulreay> yay
[12:01]<+camerongray> Ooh! New monitor!
[12:01]<+camerongray> 2560x1440?!?!!?
[12:01]<@Calum> Indeed, all the way from Korea
[12:01]<+camerongray> What's that?
[12:01]<@Calum> 27" LG panel, same as in the Dell U2711 and Apple Cinema display
[12:01]<@Mulreay> It's a country :p
[12:02]<+camerongray> lol - Awesome!
[12:02]<@Calum> It's a PCBANK
[12:02]<+camerongray> How much?
[12:02]<@Calum> ?240 including shipping and customs
[12:02]<+camerongray> That's very good!
[12:02]<+camerongray> Soooooo tempted!
[12:02]<@Calum> the equivalent Hazro, which is the same panel, is about ?400
[12:02]<@Calum> the Dell is what, ?600+?
[12:02]<+camerongray> And the apple display :P
[12:03]<@Calum> few pics
[12:03]<@Calum> http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=21661687&postcount=357
[12:03]<+camerongray> Nice!
[12:03]<@Calum> it's better in the flesh than it looks in the pics, massive upgrade from 1920x1200
[12:03]<+camerongray> lol Lemon :P
[12:03]<@Calum> haha I know
[12:03]<+camerongray> Yeah, I'm at 1920x1200, but that's 22"
[12:03]<@Calum> I saw it and did a double take
[12:04]<@Calum> that's not so bad, mine was a 26"
[12:04]<+camerongray> You should make a review :P
[12:04]<@Calum> loads of people already have, the thread at OcUK is 13 pages and the thread on OCN is over 100 pages
[12:04]<+camerongray> Ahh :P
[12:04]<+camerongray> A video one
[12:04]<@Calum> there's like 4 manufacturers doing the same thing, same panels just different stands and bezels, and slightly different pricing
[12:04]<@Calum> hmm I may do
[12:05]<@Calum> oh, I bought the Qpad MK80 keyboard in the end
[12:05]<+camerongray> Nice!
[12:05]<@Calum> but the left Ctrl key switch was broken
[12:05]<+camerongray> Damn!
[12:05]<@Calum> sent it back, new one arriving tomorrow, along with a Qpad 5K mouse
[12:05]<+camerongray> Cool
[12:05]<@Calum> then I'll actually be able to use my PC heh
[12:05]<@Calum> I'm using it now but downstairs, with a MS basic keyboard and mouse, not much fun
[12:06]<+camerongray> lol
[12:06]<@Calum> oh, have you ever heard of Fancycache by the way?
[12:06]<@Calum> you guys might all find it useful
[12:06]<+camerongray> Nope
[12:06]<@Calum> do you know how Intel SRT works?
[12:06]<@Calum> using an SSD to cache the HDD?
[12:06]<+camerongray> Yeah
[12:06]<@Calum> Fancycache does the same but it can do it with RAM instead
[12:07]<+camerongray> ooh
[12:07]<+camerongray> Sounds cool
[12:07]<@Calum> it can like cache writes, and write them every 10 seconds, for example
[12:07]<+camerongray> nice!
[12:07]<@Calum> and it caches reads as well, you can set the cache size for it to use
[12:07]<+camerongray> Will look into it
[12:07]<@Calum> it's pretty good, still in beta so it's free at the minute, I'm trying it out
[12:07]<+camerongray> Soo jealous of that resolution :P
[12:07]<@Calum> hehe
[12:08]<+camerongray> Although I can't fit anything more than 22" on my desk, the ceiling slopes over it, hard to describe
[12:08]<@Calum> good thing about Fancycache is you don't need huge amounts of RAM, even a small cache size gives a good imporvement in responsiveness without the disadvantages of a full blown RAMdrive
[12:08]<@Calum> ah, yeah, I know what you mean
[12:08]<+camerongray> Could send a picture but mess is, well, very messy :P
[12:09]<@Calum> I had a weird setup before where a 19" widescreen would fit, but anything even a tiny bit bigger wouldn't
[12:09]<+camerongray> My current one is a Lenovo ThinkVision L220x
[12:09]<+camerongray> Ahh
[12:09]<@Calum> I was quite surprised to find no dead pizels on this screen actually
[12:09]<+camerongray> I like the way it takes dual inputs - Desktop over DVI, MacBook over VGA (Through Mini DP adapter) and I can switch with a button on the front
[12:10]<@Calum> they're A- panels, so they can have a few defects, there's like 3.3 million pixels so I wouldn't have been surprised to see one or two dead or stuck ones, but it seems perfect
[12:10]<@Calum> that's pretty cool
[12:10]<@Calum> this just has DVI, nothing else, but it does have speakers heh
[12:10]<+camerongray> lol
[12:11]<+camerongray> I like the stand on mine, can rotate to portrait and move in all directions
[12:11]<+camerongray> Although there is no space to do that here :P
[12:11]<@Calum> heh
[12:11]<@Calum> that's the only issue with these Korean monitors, the stands are a bit rubbish
[12:11]<+camerongray> Yeah
[12:12]<@Calum> this one tilts and that's all I really need, but if it bothered me they all have VESA mounts so I'd just buy a new stand for like ?20, still an immense saving
[12:12]<+camerongray> Yedah
[12:12]<+camerongray> yeah*
[12:12]<+camerongray> I wish apple did a 22/24" thunderbolt display, would be handy for the macbook
[12:12]<+camerongray> But then again, wouldn't work on my desktop
[12:13]<@Calum> yeah
[12:14]<+camerongray> Want that monitor now :P
[12:14]<@Calum> hehe
[12:14]<+camerongray> Mainly to review it
[12:14]<@Calum> they really are awesome
[12:14]<+camerongray> I love reviewing less popular stuff, get so many views
[12:14]<@Calum> ?217 on ebay, and I had to pay ?19.75 customs fee
[12:15]<+camerongray> Hmm
[12:15]<+camerongray> Would need to measure
[12:15]<@Calum> fast shipping too :)
[12:15]<+camerongray> cool
[12:15]<+camerongray> My case didn't have many reviews, made one and it has nearly 7000 views
[12:15]<@Calum> I ordered last Tuesday, take two days for the bank holiday and one day because I had to pay the fee, so what...3 business days?
[12:15]<@Calum> that's cool
[12:16]<+camerongray> And I think 3000 for the unboxing
[12:16]<@Calum> nice
[12:16]<+camerongray> Reviews are fun!
[12:16]<+camerongray> Especially getting free phones to play with
[12:16]<@Calum> heh yeah
[12:17]<+camerongray> New PC to build tomorrow
[12:17]<@Calum> oh sweet
[12:17]<@Calum> yours?
[12:17]<+camerongray> Nothing fancy though, For a couple in their 80s :P
[12:17]<@Calum> ah right
[12:17]<@Calum> probably similar to mine :P
[12:17]<+camerongray> lol
[12:17]<@Calum> Celeron power! lol
[12:18]<+camerongray> lol
[12:18]<+camerongray> Pentium Dual Core G620, 4gb RAM, Cheap mATX MSI board, 320gb 7200rpm, DVD?RW (Optiarc), Cheap PSU and Ebuyer Value Case
[12:19]<@Calum> ah, I have the G530 CPU
[12:19]<+camerongray> Ahh
[12:19]<@Calum> and no MSI ever ever ever haha
[12:19]<+camerongray> lol
[12:19]<+camerongray> They don't care :P
[12:19]<@Calum> true
[12:19]<@Calum> you might, when you try to update the BIOS and it says "we can only select file same size to ROM size USB"
[12:19]<+camerongray> I love ebuyer! Whole lot came to around ?260
[12:19]<+camerongray> Including Win 7 HP 64bit
[12:20]<@Calum> that's pretty decent
[12:20]<+camerongray> lol
[12:20]<@Calum> mine was ?140, not including OS, SSD or HDD
[12:20]<@Calum> or DVD
[12:20]<+camerongray> Ahh
[12:20]<+camerongray> Also a 22" 1080p monitor that was around ?80
[12:20]<@Calum> would've been cheaper if OcUK had the stuff in stock that they said they did...
[12:21]<+camerongray> Ahh
[12:21]<+camerongray> I buy everything from Ebuyer
[12:21]<@Calum> they took ages to get my stuff, I was like "dude, just let me in there, I'll get it myself, I know where it is"
[12:21]<+camerongray> lol
[12:21]<@Calum> new girl in the warehouse was just looking at me dead weird, they didn't know I used to work there heh
[12:22]<+camerongray> lol
[12:22]<@Calum> me and the old tech manager were just standing there chatting about how awful Razer and MSI are, as someone came in and bought a Razer keyboard...
[12:22]<+camerongray> Do you still get a discount?
[12:22]<@Calum> and someone else came in to return an MSI board which was hilarious
[12:22]<+camerongray> lol
[12:22]<@Calum> I got Lee to price match the keyboard, that was it
[12:22]<+camerongray> lol
[12:22]<@Calum> I wasn't bothered about scraping a 5% discount or something, I probably could if I wanted
[12:22]<+camerongray> This board has nothing that could go wrong :P
[12:23]<@Calum> heh
[12:23]<+camerongray> Mainly due to it having nothing on it
[12:23]<@Calum> you say that now...
[12:23]<@Calum> just stand back in case the MOSFETs set on fire
[12:23]<+camerongray> lol - not overclocking :P
[12:23]<@Calum> with MSI you don't have to, it's a built in feature that you can't turn off
[12:24]<@Calum> MSI ex-fire mode
[12:24]<@Calum> er, ez fire I mean
[12:24]<+camerongray> lol - ever had it do that?
[12:24]<@Calum> yes, I speak from bitter experience
[12:24]<@Calum> I have seen many MSI boards on fire in my department
[12:24]<+camerongray> lol
[12:24]<@Calum> leaving the rack charred and smoking
[12:24]<+camerongray> http://www.ebuyer.com/320145-msi-h61m-p25-b3-socket-1155-matx-motherboard-h61m-p25-b3-
[12:24]<@Calum> I've also seen many GIgabyte boards on fire
[12:25]<@Calum> oh, hello...I remember you....we've met before....*shudder*
[12:25]<+camerongray> lol
[12:25]<@Calum> I don't think any of those set on fire
[12:25]<+camerongray> As long as it can open IE :P
[12:25]<@Calum> if I remember rightly we just had a few boxes that didn't work
[12:26]<@Calum> that was ages ago though so they're probably fine now
[12:28]<+camerongray> I hope :P
[12:28]<@jacky> see you all later .....
[12:28]<@jacky> 
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[12:30]<@Calum> I'll be off for now too, I'm expecting someone soon and have a few other things to take care of
[12:31]<@Calum> catch you all later, will hopefully be around more when I can actually use my PC properly heh
[12:31]<@Calum> bye for now
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[13:06]<@Mulreay> hey FusRoDah
[13:06]<+FusRoDah> Stop talking to yourself
[13:13]<+camerongray> lol
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[15:19]<+camerongray> Craig: You there?
[15:21]<+camerongray> nvm
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[15:53]<@Mulreay> If only
[15:53]<@Mulreay> My invertation is still not here..
[15:54]<@Mulreay> But then again my book that I bought 8 days ago is not here either..
[15:55]<@Mulreay> There may be a force field around my house
[15:58]<+camerongray> lol
[15:59]<+camerongray> Or your dog may be a very bad girl :P
[15:59]<@Mulreay> Noooooo don't say that
[16:00]<+camerongray> lol
[16:00]<+camerongray> She's a good girl really :P
[16:00]<+camerongray> You need to get some photos of her up!
[16:00]<@Mulreay> We have a porch so she can't I suppose but now you have seeded the doubt
[16:00]<+camerongray> lol
[16:00]<+camerongray> Did you see the photos of Calum's dog he put on FB?
[16:01]<@Mulreay> I will have 'doggy on toast'.. if she is eating my mail with a side order of kitten
[16:02]<+camerongray> lol
[16:02]<+camerongray> Did you see Calum's dog?
[16:02]<@Mulreay> Erm no one sec will look on facefook
[16:03]<+camerongray> Lets just say I want him :P
[16:03]<@Mulreay> kaiser?
[16:03]<+camerongray> yeah
[16:04]<+camerongray> He's adorable
[16:04]<@Mulreay> You should have seen Dusty
[16:04]<@Mulreay> Nice doggy
[16:04]<+camerongray> Aww
[16:04]<@Mulreay> kaiser that is
[16:04]<+camerongray> Yeah
[16:04]<+camerongray> His ears are so pointy :P
[16:05]<@Mulreay> very, probably from the African whild dogs
[16:05]<+camerongray> Ahh
[16:05]<@Mulreay> wild*
[16:05]<+camerongray> Calum said he's German Shepherd + Something
[16:06]<@Mulreay> One sec
[16:06]<@Mulreay> http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/images/ic/credit/640x395/a/af/african_wild_dog/african_wild_dog_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/life/African_Wild_Dog&h=395&w=640&sz=65&tbnid=e0dTBQ1bExU3DM:&tbnh=77&tbnw=124&zoom=1&docid=y3dMo6ES2RH-1M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=iQCGT47zHJDb8QO90bCyBw&ved=0CEYQ9QEwAg&dur=487
[16:06]<@Mulreay> sorry quite the URL
[16:06]<+camerongray> lol
[16:07]<+camerongray> Looks like mickey mouse
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[16:07]<@Mulreay> heh
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[16:07]<@Mulreay> heh
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[16:07]<@Mulreay> wb
[16:07]<+camerongray> thanks
[16:07]<@Mulreay> But the genitics stand to show where they come from
[16:07]<+camerongray> yeah
[16:08]<@Mulreay> The ears are pointy but there geniric
[16:08]<@Mulreay> They just changed like we did
[16:10]<@Mulreay> My dog was http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Newfoundland_dog_Smoky.jpg/220px-Newfoundland_dog_Smoky.jpg&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_%28dog%29&h=330&w=220&sz=18&tbnid=fkit2HPGg7Qi4M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=60&zoom=1&docid=lf9R7UufdWj75M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PQGGT-fCE8u28QORtLXWBw&sqi=2&ved=0CEcQ9QEwAA&dur=411
[16:10]<@Mulreay> think I have told you before.. not my dog but the bread
[16:11]<+camerongray> Aww!
[16:11]<@Mulreay> 15 stone and nearly 6ft when he stood up on his back legs
[16:11]<+camerongray> Someone in my street has two of them, MASSIVE!
[16:11]<+camerongray> He has a lab as well, poor thing gets dwarfed!
[16:13]<@Mulreay> Dusty was the BEST dog.. so happy and loving.. and so huge... when we used to live in our shop (again I probably told you all this) Dusty was the 'Bear' used to sit at the back of the shop and just watch
[16:13]<+camerongray> lol
[16:14]<@Mulreay> I want a husky... only reason why I won't get them where I live is because they can just 'run away'.
[16:15]<@Mulreay> They have a strange thing where they just run away
[16:15]<+camerongray> ahh :(
[16:15]<@Mulreay> If a husky ran away here it would end up in a main road
[16:16]<@Mulreay> Then again a dog in Malta when I go...
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[17:35]<@Mulreay> 9 updates.. look on me
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[17:44]<@Mulreay> Hey pottsi
[17:45]<+pottsi> hey Mulreay
[17:52]<@Mulreay> brb system restarts and all that jive
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[18:30]<@Mulreay> wow some people hate me
[19:24]<+Craig> Huh?
[19:26]<@Mulreay> People keep telling me off
[19:28]<@Mulreay> God speed
[19:38]<+Craig> ah
[20:44]<@Mulreay> 29 kills 7 deaths... I'm getting good at this
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[21:47]<@Mulreay> Need some help
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