Session Start: Thu Dec 22 00:00:00 2011 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
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[06:35]<@bc_programming> Craig: (late reply lol) no
[07:07]<+camerongray> Tux2, You there
[07:07]<+camerongray> ?
[07:07]<@bc_programming> I am if that helps
[07:07]<@bc_programming> heh
[07:07]<+camerongray> lol - Question about MC
[07:08]<+camerongray> Not seen you on for ages!
[07:08]<@bc_programming> I can't play
[07:08]<+camerongray> Why not?
[07:08]<@bc_programming> don't have internet except via a generous neighbor
[07:08]<+camerongray> Ahh :P
[07:08]<+camerongray> What happened?
[07:08]<@bc_programming> yeah turns out keeping internet means paying them... who'da thunk it
[07:09]<+camerongray> Ahh - that sucks
[07:11]<@bc_programming> yeah that's sort of why I <need> this "job" thing to work out. Guy hasn't been online since the 19th so I'm guessing he's on a short holiday for christmas though.. But I don't see how he could possibly turn down what is a polished and functionally complete application in favour of the typical empty promises made by Indian Devs, no racism intended there of course
[07:12]<@bc_programming> I rather liked when he said "I'm worried how well the back-end will function when it's added" and I had to reply "well, I've already got it working with a MySQL Server back-end and it works well"
[07:12]<@bc_programming> anyway I'll shut up now
[07:19]<+camerongray> lol
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[08:25]<@bc_programming> heh, it was easier than I thought to decouple my MultiTypeManager assembly retrospection engine from BASeBlock into my other project
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[08:26]<@bc_programming> the guy wants it to export to excel, but why not make the export stuff an interface, and then allow it to be possible to add new classes for other export types
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[11:40]<+camerongray> Tux2, you there?
[11:40]<Tux2> lol, wow camerongray, perfect timing...
[11:40]<Tux2> I just hopped on the computer when you said that.
[11:41]<+camerongray> lol
[11:41]<+camerongray> Just noticed the rule about houses being 20x20 including gardens
[11:41]<+camerongray> Can you either make an exception for mine or give me worldedit access so I can move my farm house closer - It's too long
[11:42]<@bc_programming> who is building multiple houses anyway
[11:42]<+camerongray> Not multiple here, I have a farm at the bottom of my garden
[11:42]<@bc_programming> my house is way bigger than 20x20, lol
[11:43]<+camerongray> Yeh
[11:43]<+camerongray> We'll see what tux says
[11:43]<+camerongray> Need to reboot - Tux2 Don't answer until I'm back :P
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[11:43]<Tux2> lol...
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[11:44]<+camerongray> back
[11:45]<+camerongray> Back soon again - Need to reboot other router
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[11:45]<Tux2> heh
[11:46]<Tux2> Let's see how long I can make my response to him. ;)
[11:46]<Tux2> bc_programming, do you want your house in town though? I can put it outside the border of the town if you are worried about size.
[11:46]<@bc_programming> tux2: if you want you can move it
[11:47]<Tux2> I haven't even moved it from the old world, lol...
[11:47]<@bc_programming> I have no idea when I'll be able to be back on anyway
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[11:47]<+camerongray> Back again and problem fixed
[11:47]<Tux2> camerongray, have you measured how long your yard is?
[11:47]<@bc_programming> heh this program is totally done and completely meets all the specifications. I swear if he goes with somebody else I may have to hunt him down
[11:47]<+camerongray> Nope - Will do now
[11:48]<Tux2> lol
[11:50]<+camerongray> 52 blocks
[11:55]<@bc_programming> wordpress is starting to piss me off
[11:55]<@bc_programming> "Oh I know you are using a <pre> and/or <code> tag but I'm still gonna autocomplete your "tags" for you
[11:56]<@bc_programming> that is List<DateRange> variable becomes List<DateRange></DateRange> in the code listing
[11:58]<+camerongray> lol
[11:59]<Tux2> camerongray, if you were to condense it would you be able to fit it in a 20x20 area?
[11:59]<@bc_programming> fixed, had to remove the </DateRange> entries wordpress helpfully added and then replace <DateRange> with <DateRange>
[12:00]<@bc_programming> of course I question why I have to do that when I'm using a code tag
[12:00]<+camerongray> Will need to check - Don't think so
[12:02]<+camerongray> Nope
[12:02]<+camerongray> Would be 32 even with the farm pressed against my house
[12:04]<@bc_programming> OMFG response on freelancer
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[12:04]<+camerongray> lol
[12:06]<@bc_programming> I win :D
[12:06]<+camerongray> Nice!
[12:06]<+camerongray> Lots of money for you - And you didn't even need to leave the house
[12:06]<@bc_programming> well not really for me... most it will be for paying bills :P
[12:07]<@bc_programming> Now I can REALLY motor on the project
[12:09]<+camerongray> lol
[12:09]<@bc_programming> need to write-up proper docs for setup and stuff too
[12:09]<+camerongray> Yeh, and make an installer
[12:10]<+camerongray> You tried installshield limited edition? - Free with visual studio
[12:10]<@bc_programming> that's easy, I'll just use advanced installer
[12:10]<@bc_programming> installshield blows
[12:10]<+camerongray> lol
[12:10]<+camerongray> I like it because it takes your project and sets it up to install any needed componenets
[12:10]<+camerongray> And it's free :P
[12:11]<@bc_programming> well I sorta paid for Advanced Installer pro ages ago
[12:11]<@bc_programming> even if I didn't, the free version works fine
[12:11]<+camerongray> Ahh
[12:11]<+camerongray> Tux2, What do you think?
[12:11]<@bc_programming> and thank goodness it's in .NET. COM components are a huge pain
[12:11]<@bc_programming> Xcopy deployment ftw
[12:12]<Tux2> camerongray, we'll move it so that it is 40 blocks long, I can make an exception for you since you have been playing for a very long time.
[12:12]<+camerongray> YAY!
[12:13]<+camerongray> Also, can you copy the mall over - it's ready
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[12:15]<Tux2> Will do camerongray, just working on some plugins at the moment.
[12:15]<+camerongray> Cool
[12:18]<Tux2> I have a feeling that I will be taking over the multiInv project.
[12:18]<Tux2> I fixed a few of his bugs quite easily.
[12:21]<Tux2> and he isn't maintaining it now...
[12:28]<+camerongray> Cool
[12:28]<+camerongray> This guy is a genius: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obGjx8Hry3M
[12:29]<+camerongray> The same person that did the "Ultimate Dog Tease"
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[14:24]<+camerongray> I hate when people don't publish APIs
[14:24]<+camerongray> Yet there are apps using data from the service - How can that work without an API?
[14:29]<+camerongray> At least the Android one is open source - Time to tear that apart to see how it ticks
[14:35]<Craig> Any luck?
[14:36]<+camerongray> YEP!
[14:36]<+camerongray> http://old.mybustracker.co.uk/getBusStopDepartures.php?refreshCount=0&clientType=b&busStopCode=36236984&busStopDay=0&busStopService=0&numberOfPassage=4&busStopTime=&busStopDestination=0
[14:36]<+camerongray> We have bus times!
[14:36]<+camerongray> :P
[14:36]<Craig> Awesome
[14:36]<Craig> Glad to hear your doing well on things., :)
[14:36]<+camerongray> Basically the council run a service to get bus times - There are android and iphone apps but no windows or blackberry apps
[14:37]<+camerongray> I like the way it returns HTML but with the XML doctype!
[14:38]<+camerongray> But that's just the start - I still need to figure out how on earth I can plot every bus stop in the city on a map
[14:44]<+camerongray> Should make a nice christmas project
[14:44]<+camerongray> Despite me not having a windows phone thus being pretty useless to me
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[15:52]<cameron_laptop> I found out how to get the locations of the bus stops! - Now I need to figure out how to parse an XML file of EVERY stop in the city
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[15:53]<@bc_programming> heh of course the moment I accept the offer suddenly everything in the program breaks, heh. All fixed now, I think
[15:54]<cameron_laptop> lol
[15:54]<cameron_laptop> I'm working on a project too
[15:54]<@bc_programming> o
[15:54]<cameron_laptop> Windows Mobile and Blackberry app to get ETA for buses in the city
[15:54]<@bc_programming> yeah I noticed there were like 2000 php ones there btw
[15:55]<cameron_laptop> There is already an Android and iOS version but loads of people are looking for WP7 and Blackberry ones
[15:55]<@bc_programming> there is something oddly fulfilling about being able to rip code out of BASeBlock and use it in this business-y app.
[15:55]<cameron_laptop> lol
[15:55]<cameron_laptop> Now I need to figure out how to parse this beast of an XML file: http://old.mybustracker.co.uk/getServicePoints.php?serviceMnemo=
[15:56]<cameron_laptop> It contains every bus stop in the city and what services stop at it
[15:56]<@bc_programming> I thought I was going to need to spend hours decoupling my "MultiTypeManager" Assembly inspection class from BASeBlock... took 10 seconds
[15:56]<@bc_programming> it literally was already decoupled, I just had to remove one reference to a BASeBlock static
[15:57]<@bc_programming> of course you post a url when I can't open a browser
[15:57]<@bc_programming> upgrading FF. At least I think I am
[15:57]<@bc_programming> I said sudo apt-get upgrade firefox so I hope that is what it is doing...
[15:58]<cameron_laptop> lol
[15:58]<cameron_laptop> Gah - My host doesn't support Cron
[15:58]<cameron_laptop> Which sucks considering I need to run a weekly update on the bus stop database
[15:59]<@bc_programming> http://bc-programming.com/docs/BCJobClock.doc
[16:00]<@bc_programming> assuming I used the ftp cmd line thing right that should be the quick docfile I just whipped up for my "client" I guess I should call him
[16:00]<@bc_programming> for review of what I'm missing or that he'd like changed, etc
[16:01]<@bc_programming> uh oh... I don't think it's upgrading firefox
[16:01]<cameron_laptop> Yeh
[16:02]<cameron_laptop> Just opened a fresh notepad for this project - That means i'm serious
[16:02]<@bc_programming> haha
[16:02]<@bc_programming> you could tell I was serious about this one when I closed BASeBlock
[16:03]<cameron_laptop> Hahaha
[16:03]<@bc_programming> OK I upgraded firefox.. now it's version 3.6.24... HEY WAIT A SECOND
[16:04]<cameron_laptop> lol
[16:04]<@bc_programming> it's ok though since how the package manager gleefully tells me firefox is up to date
[16:04]<cameron_laptop> I think I'll build it in PHP and jQuery mobile then make the app just show the web page - Easier and hopefully the end user won't notice
[16:04]<@bc_programming> heh
[16:04]<@bc_programming> that's cheating
[16:05]<@bc_programming> you must use the .NET compact framework and Silverlight! that's how you do it enterprisey
[16:06]<@bc_programming> LOL... one of the little slide in ads on my blog
[16:06]<@bc_programming> it slid on and exclaimed to me
[16:06]<@bc_programming> "false"
[16:08]<cameron_laptop> lol
[16:09]<cameron_laptop> I'll make the client app nice though - Check before it loads the site and display a pretty message if it can't reach the server
[16:09]<cameron_laptop> And jquery mobile handles this stuff really well
[16:09]<@bc_programming> I keep thinking I have to add error handling to mine but turns out I already did
[16:10]<@bc_programming> it even detects when the password/username it tries to pass to the database connection is rejected and shows a login prompt
[16:12]<@bc_programming> I think I might need to setup my Dell in some capacity to properly test the installer, a VM won't be able to access my laptop as a database server and I can't well use the same machine I'm developing it on since it obviously works there
[16:12]<@bc_programming> and I'll be able to see if it works on XP which is probably required anyway
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[16:21]<Tux2> heh
[16:25]<@bc_programming> the best part is this means my site will live past February, hooray
[16:27]<Tux2> Woo hoo!
[16:27]<@bc_programming> yeah it was pretty far away but I was starting to worry, lol
[16:28]<@bc_programming> I totally think I went above and beyond with this, I mean it's got toolstrips and toolbars and stuff
[16:29]<@bc_programming> with icons, and whatnot
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[16:43]<Craig> I dont understand BC, was your site going down?
[16:43]<Craig> http://inthelittlewood.com/2011/the-ender-scrolls-v-minecraft-trailer/
[16:43]<@bc_programming> I only had enough in paypal to cover up to Feb. 11th
[16:43]<Craig> Ahhh
[16:43]<Craig> So they paid you?
[16:44]<@bc_programming> I think, it might have been up to March
[16:44]<@bc_programming> Craig: no, but they will
[16:44]<@bc_programming> once I finish the project, it only technically started today, I just had a nice head-start
[16:44]<Craig> Nice
[16:44]<Craig> Thats awesome
[16:44]<Craig> Glad to hear you got the bid!
[16:44]<Craig> :)
[16:44]<@bc_programming> yeah I honestly was pessimistic about it
[16:45]<Craig> Too bad you couldnt brag about how much your getting. :p
[16:45]<@bc_programming> heh
[16:45]<Craig> Your always pessemisitc... whats the difference. :p
[16:45]<@bc_programming> 475 after the freelance fee thing
[16:45]<Craig> Cool,
[16:46]<@bc_programming> I'll have to pay back Graham with interest :D
[16:46]<Craig> I am sure he will be happy. :)
[16:46]<Craig> Just don't over spend, wait till you have more bids. :)
[16:47]<@bc_programming> I only intend to spend it on bills and important things
[16:48]<Craig> Ahh I see, I see,
[16:48]<@bc_programming> paying off debts to friends I rank as important :)
[16:48]<Craig> :P I am sure they do too. :p
[16:48]<@bc_programming> heheh
[17:32]<@bc_programming> heh just realized the amount is in USD as well so that's a tad more CDN
[17:42]<@bc_programming> also F-Zero GX is possibly the hardest racing game I've ever played
[19:43]<Craig> No a tad less in canadian now... :(
[19:44]<@bc_programming> the approximation on the site is higher
[19:44]<Craig> Oh./... I am wrong.,
[19:44]<Craig> :P hahaha
[19:44]<Craig> Ooops.
[19:44]<@bc_programming> it could be using an old exchange rate though
[19:44]<Craig> http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=475&From=USD&To=CAD
[19:45]<@bc_programming> yeah not a huge difference now, though, 525->536
[19:46]<@bc_programming> although the site takes a hunk of that as well afaik
[19:46]<Craig> yeah
[19:47]<@bc_programming> they already took 52 dollars out of the freelancer account so I'm at -52, lol
[20:00]<Tux2> ugh
[20:01]<@bc_programming> wut
[20:01]<@bc_programming> they being the site itself, apparently there is a "offer acceptance fee" haha... actually it sort of makes sense if you think about it
[20:01]<@bc_programming> since it keeps people from commiting to things they can't deliver
[21:08]<Tux2> Okay, gingermay just got someone on the Mine Little Pony mod for minecraft, and now almost that whole server has players using the mod and pony skins!
[21:09]<Tux2> That person's server that is.
[21:09]<@bc_programming> haha
[21:27]<@bc_programming> well that's another mystery solved
[21:27]<@bc_programming> move laptop close to my desktop speaker volume control, crazy amount of static
[21:27]<@bc_programming> move it away, static goes away
[21:27]<@bc_programming> clearly this confirms that gremlins are involved
[21:34]<Tux2> lol
[21:35]<@bc_programming> it's funny because for last year or so I thought the occasional bit of static was because of the wireless network card in the desktop
[21:36]<@bc_programming> but since I removed that, I had to find other reasons, and moving the laptop or the volume control around change it, so that made it rather cut and dried
[21:36]<Tux2> heh
[21:36]<@bc_programming> I guess the volume control block has crappy shielding or something
[21:39]<@bc_programming> and now for more pointless polish! instead of having to stare at nothing while it connects to the DB, time to make it connect asynchronously as a "please Wait" dialog shows the little bouncing progress bar thing
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[21:58]<Tux2> lol, I have someone wading through one of my plugins that has hardly any comments in it!
[21:59]<@bc_programming> which one
[21:59]<Tux2> WeatherRestrictions.
[21:59]<Tux2> He's adding commandPoints integration into it.
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