Session Start: Mon Aug 01 00:00:00 2011
Session Ident: #glitchpc
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[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[05:39]<+Mulreay> What a wonderful day
[05:47]<+camerongray> lol
[06:21]<+camerongray> I love this new build!
[06:23]<+Mulreay> looks awesome bud
[06:47]<+Mulreay> Hey guy's can someone check my HTML for me please
[06:58]<+camerongray> Yep
[06:58]<+Mulreay> cool one sec
[06:58]<+Mulreay> <HTML>
[06:58]<+Mulreay> <HEAD>
[06:58]<+Mulreay> <TITLE>404 Not Found</TITLE>
[06:58]<+Mulreay> </HEAD>
[06:58]<+Mulreay> <BODY>
[06:58]<+Mulreay> <H1>Not Found</H1>
[06:58]<+Mulreay> The requested document was not found on this server. It may have been moved or replaced.
[06:58]<+Mulreay> You may wish to check the search function of the website to find what your looking for
[06:58]<+Mulreay> <a href="http://www.spaceandscience.co.uk/index.php?searchword=&ordering=newest&searchphrase=all&limit=20&option=com_search">Search</a>
[06:58]<+Mulreay> or return to the homepage here
[06:58]<+Mulreay> <a href="http://www.spaceandscience.co.uk/">Home</a>
[06:58]<+Mulreay> If the problem persists you should contact the administrator here
[06:58]<+Mulreay> <a href="http://www.emailmeform.com/builder/form/1r9QV39iNYX6P">Contact us</a>
[06:58]<+Mulreay> <P>
[06:58]<+Mulreay> <HR>
[06:58]<+Mulreay> <ADDRESS>
[06:58]<+Mulreay> Web Server at www.spaceandscience.co.uk
[06:59]<+Mulreay> </ADDRESS>
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[07:00]<Mulreay> ta da
[07:00]<Mulreay> so anyway
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[07:02]<+Mulreay> how does it look camerongray?
[07:06]<+camerongray> Woops - got sidetracked :P
[07:06]<+camerongray> LOoks fine
[07:06]<+camerongray> Just put all the text in <p> </p>tags
[07:07]<+Mulreay> k thanks
[07:07]<+camerongray> Stop the <p> tag where you want a new line and start another on the new line
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[07:22]<+camerongray> Wow - Netbeans works so nicely for PHP
[07:22]<+camerongray> Hey jacky
[07:23]<@jacky> camerongray: Hello
[08:03]<+Mulreay> camerongray something for you here
[08:03]<+Mulreay> http://www.bis.gov.uk/ukspaceagency/news-and-events/2011/Aug/satellite-innovators-launch-smartphone-space-app-competition
[08:06]<+camerongray> ooh
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[09:42]<Tux2> Oh wow, it's like everyone is on at once. Hi BC_Programming, jacky, camerongray, Craig, and Mulreay
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[09:42]<+Mulreay> lol
[09:42]<@BC_Programming> hi tux2
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[09:42]<@jacky> heheeh
[09:42]<@jacky> Tux2: Hello
[09:42]<+Mulreay> I did lol jacky
[09:42]<+Mulreay> hey Tux2
[09:42]<+Mulreay> sonic's not here
[09:42]<@jacky> Mulreay: Hello
[09:42]<Tux2> lol, true...
[09:42]<+Mulreay> hey jacky
[09:43]<Tux2> Oh, BC_Programming, I just found a program I coded way back in 2007...
[09:43]<@BC_Programming> cool
[09:44]<Tux2> Yeah, my use of default classes back then is horrible: http://jrtechsupport.com/filemgmt/index.php?id=22
[09:44]<Tux2> I took a text based C++ game and converted it to java, fixing a whole bunch of bugs along the way.
[09:46]<@BC_Programming> cool
[09:47]<@BC_Programming> I made an engine for a text adventure in VB6
[09:47]<@BC_Programming> it sorta works
[09:47]<Tux2> lol...
[09:47]<@BC_Programming> you can "fart" and make stinky fart men and kill them
[09:47]<@BC_Programming> and you do level up, lol
[09:49]<@BC_Programming> weird, I got two new subscribers on youtube in the last day or so
[09:49]<+Mulreay> That makes no sense at all... I mean new subscribers for YOUR channel... I must investigate
[09:50]<@BC_Programming> that was my thinking
[09:50]<@BC_Programming> I think it's those type that think people will sub back anybody who subs them
[09:50]<+Mulreay> ahh, I hate them
[09:52]<+Mulreay> I need to make a new video... may do a NES or master system game
[09:52]<@BC_Programming> good idea
[09:53]<+Mulreay> I did want to do a Cannon Fodder run through on the Amiga but for some reason fraps F's up the sound
[09:56]<+Mulreay> mmm actually I need to set up my joypad for the emu's
[10:03]<+camerongray> Hey Tux2
[10:04]<+Mulreay> finger on the pulse as always camerongray
[10:04]<Tux2> Hi camerongray
[10:04]<+camerongray> lol
[10:10]<+camerongray> We decided on the 1.8 switch?
[10:12]<@jacky> see you all later......
[10:12]<+Mulreay> later
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[10:16]<ChosenAlt> Damn.
[10:16]<ChosenAlt> For some reason I had to pick some different username?
[10:16]<ChosenAlt> Weird.
[10:16]<Tux2> lol camerongray it seems that everyone wants their stuff still...
[10:16]<ChosenAlt> Anyway...
[10:17]<ChosenAlt> If anyone that is knowledgable about C++ reads this, please respond.
[10:17]<ChosenAlt> I have trouble... Again.
[10:17]<ChosenAlt> HEY CHANBOT, DO YOU STILL ROAM THIS CHANNEL?
[10:17]<ChosenAlt> Yep, it does.
[10:21]<+camerongray> Cool Tux2
[10:22]<Tux2> lol, reading the scrollback cam?
[10:24]<ChosenAlt> What is that?
[10:24]<ChosenAlt> By the way, I'm going to have DINNER
[10:24]<ChosenAlt> Mah boi!
[10:36]<+Mulreay> mmm k
[10:37]<@BC_Programming> yeah wtf
[10:39]<+Mulreay> Just discovered I'm crap at Sonic and Mario
[10:39]<@BC_Programming> could make an entertaining video nonetheless
[10:39]<+Mulreay> heh true
[10:47]<+camerongray> Tux2: Yeh, what am I looking for>
[10:47]<Tux2> <Tux2> Yeah, my use of default classes back then is horrible: http://jrtechsupport.com/filemgmt/index.php?id=22
[10:47]<Tux2> <Tux2> I took a text based C++ game and converted it to java, fixing a whole bunch of bugs along the way.
[10:49]<+camerongray> Ahh -- nice
[11:23]<ChosenAlt> Back.
[11:23]<ChosenAlt> Anyway...
[11:23]<+Mulreay> sweet
[11:23]<ChosenAlt> Mulreay, you are not good at C++, if I am not mistaken?
[11:24]<Tux2> lol, wow, my Minecraft jar switcher has grown over twice the size with this update, and I'm not even finished!
[11:24]<ChosenAlt> What?
[11:24]<@BC_Programming> tux2: what did you add?
[11:25]<Tux2> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/514289-tool-minecraft-jar-switcher-and-backup-tool-v10/page__view__findpost__p__6795539 <--- I'm adding all of his suggestions
[11:25]<+Mulreay> lol
[11:26]<ChosenAlt> Anyway...
[11:26]<+Mulreay> It's a small file anyway, not as if it will get out of hand
[11:26]<Tux2> The zip file stuff is bloating the amount of code. ;)
[11:26]<ChosenAlt> BC, if you #include "nameofwhattoaddhere" in C++, can that be another C++ file in the project too?
[11:27]<ChosenAlt> As in...
[11:27]<@BC_Programming> Tux2: isn't zip stuff included in the java core classes
[11:27]<ChosenAlt> I have two files in a project now.
[11:27]<ChosenAlt> The main one contains the line #include "rules"
[11:27]<Tux2> lol, yes, it is, but I have to do directory recursion, add the files to the zip, etc.
[11:27]<@BC_Programming> ChosenAlt: #include includes the header file in <THAT> source document, not other source documents
[11:27]<ChosenAlt> The other file is called "rules"
[11:27]<ChosenAlt> Ah.
[11:28]<ChosenAlt> I would have to do #include "main" in rules instead?
[11:28]<ChosenAlt> When rules is the other file?
[11:28]<@BC_Programming> you include header files, not .cpp files btw
[11:28]<ChosenAlt> Header?
[11:28]<Tux2> lol, I guess not twice the size, only added 200 more lines of code...
[11:29]<ChosenAlt> Damn, I've learned about C++, but I don't know <censored> about projects and file management.
[11:29]<ChosenAlt> They blocked that too?
[11:29]<ChosenAlt> Oh well.
[11:29]<ChosenAlt> I'll Google some stuff and I'll ask you things if I'm still having trouble if that's okay.
[11:30]<@BC_Programming> header files list the function prototypes, return types, typedefs, structures, and so forth used by some other .c or .cpp file. you include the header file, and then when you compile it the other source file with the actual implementation of those routines is linked in
[11:30]<ChosenAlt> Wait.
[11:31]<ChosenAlt> Those are the files that formerly (pre-2009 standard) had the .h extension?
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[11:31]<Tux2> BC_Programming, I'm also adding in all the native files for doing MD5 checksums from the Fast MD5 library to the jar file so I have to extract them the first time the file is run.
[11:31]<ChosenAlt> Welcome Serpent.
[11:34]<@BC_Programming> there is no 2009 standard. C++0x hasn't been finalized yet
[11:34]<ChosenAlt> What exactly is 'C++0x"?
[11:35]<@BC_Programming> the new standard that you are likely referring to
[11:36]<ChosenAlt> I've just Googled it, and yes, probably.
[11:36]<ChosenAlt> Header files formerly had .h extensions?
[11:37]<@BC_Programming> no
[11:37]<@BC_Programming> they've always had .h extensions, nothing changed that
[11:37]<ChosenAlt> Ah.
[11:37]<ChosenAlt> Well, that explains the book...
[11:37]<@BC_Programming> well except for ancient versions of Turbo C++, they used .hpp for whatever reason
[11:37]<ChosenAlt> There is a way to activate the experimental new standard, right?
[11:38]<ChosenAlt> You have to add some lines somewhere in most IDE settings.
[11:38]<@BC_Programming> without knowing your compiler and/or IDE no
[11:38]<ChosenAlt> Code::Blocks. Allow me to reread the section of my book that mentioned it.
[11:38]<ChosenAlt> Be right back.
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[11:39]<@BC_Programming> if it uses gcc/g++ you add the -std=c++0x switch
[11:39]<ChosenAlt> Indeed.
[11:40]<ChosenAlt> That's what it says.
[11:40]<@BC_Programming> Although I don't see what you could possibly be doing that requires the new standard, since it mostly relates to changes and additions to template class syntax and so forth
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[11:40]<ChosenAlt> The book mentions some funny stuff in later, optional chapters.
[11:40]<ChosenAlt> I guess it isn't necessary.
[11:41]<ChosenAlt> I mainly asked about it because I was confused about the extensions.
[11:41]<ChosenAlt> And apparently C++0x removes the .h extension and it could be written as "#include 'rules'"
[11:41]<ChosenAlt> I've added a .h and it works now.
[11:41]<ChosenAlt> Thanks for your help.
[11:43]<@BC_Programming> C++0x is ten years too late, really
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[11:43]<andrules> hey
[11:43]<ChosenAlt> Hello Andrules.
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[11:43]<ChosenAlt> One more question for now...
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[11:44]<ChosenAlt> You can also have functions in separate header file, right?
[11:44]<ChosenAlt> For example, if you wish to only have int main() in your source file and want all the functions neatly tacked away in header files.
[11:45]<@BC_Programming> you put the function prototypes in the header files
[11:45]<@BC_Programming> then define those functions in another .cpp file
[11:45]<ChosenAlt> How would two separate .cpp files work with each other?
[11:45]<ChosenAlt> Another kind of including?
[11:46]<andrules> hey tux if your still on im kinda stuck in the niether
[11:47]<Tux2> okay, hold on a second andrules
[11:47]<@BC_Programming> including includes everything in the header file in the file you include it in
[11:48]<ChosenAlt> Includeception!
[11:48]<ChosenAlt> No, not really.
[11:48]<ChosenAlt> What do you mean?
[11:49]<@BC_Programming> including the header tells the compiler that those functions exist, so it doesn't barf when you compile the .cpp file to an object file (unresolved externals). each cpp file is compiled to an object module and is linked together into the executable
[11:49]<Tux2> lol, and that's why I don't do C++...
[11:49]<ChosenAlt> Object files are .o files, isn't it?
[11:49]<ChosenAlt> At least C++ is a low level language, Tux2 ;)
[11:50]<Tux2> lol, yeah. I'm going to be learning C++ here soon though...
[11:50]<ChosenAlt> However, every languages has it better sides and ugly things, I think.
[11:50]<@BC_Programming> With the exception of extreme performance computing, it's my belief that managed-code programming(C#,Java,etc) is the way to go. And in many performance oriented scenarios, it's probably better to use the managed languages and throw more computing power at them than to try to squeeze performance by using languages like C/C++, which are much more difficult to program in correctly.
[11:50]<ChosenAlt> *language
[11:51]<ChosenAlt> I've been considering C#.
[11:51]<Tux2> lol... I'm using java, but using some native methods for faster MD5 checksum checking.
[11:51]<ChosenAlt> Anyway... Microsoft made C#.
[11:51]<@BC_Programming> yeah... so?
[11:51]<ChosenAlt> Is it rather centered on C# or is it portable to ever OS?
[11:51]<ChosenAlt> *centered on Windows
[11:51]<@BC_Programming> well, C# is pretty centered on C#
[11:51]<@BC_Programming> heh
[11:52]<ChosenAlt> Heh.
[11:52]<ChosenAlt> You get my question?
[11:52]<@BC_Programming> it runs in a VM. Mono is the VM that runs on Linux/Mac
[11:52]<@BC_Programming> but most FSF douches apparently hate mono for some reason
[11:52]<ChosenAlt> 'FSF'?
[11:53]<@BC_Programming> FSF= Free Software Foundation
[11:53]<@BC_Programming> mostly the weirdo's who judge software on political and ideological concerns rather than merit and functionality.
[11:53]<ChosenAlt> Dafuq?
[11:53]<ChosenAlt> How exactly is software relevant to politics, or the other way around?
[11:53]<@BC_Programming> don't ask me
[11:54]<ChosenAlt> Heh.
[11:54]<ChosenAlt> There are no 'universal' VM's?
[11:54]<@BC_Programming> that question makes no sense...
[11:55]<@BC_Programming> Microsoft made the CLR for windows, some other company/group/person made Mono for Linux/Mac according to the published ISO standard for a .NET CLR
[11:55]<ChosenAlt> Okay.
[11:55]<ChosenAlt> But, C# runs on all OS'es?
[11:55]<@BC_Programming> it can
[11:56]<ChosenAlt> Without having to modify code?
[11:56]<@BC_Programming> if you write it properly to begin with
[11:56]<@BC_Programming> unless you use WPF
[11:56]<ChosenAlt> Haha.
[11:56]<ChosenAlt> Just like not using <windows.h> in C++?
[11:56]<@BC_Programming> since the people who made mono are too lazy to port WPF. Not that I blame them
[11:56]<@BC_Programming> ChosenAlt: No
[11:56]<ChosenAlt> Or other include files included with Windows?
[11:57]<@BC_Programming> so far the main problem is if you use dll files on windows
[11:57]<ChosenAlt> Oh G'dammit.
[11:57]<Tux2> Hey, BC_Programming, I think I've found a way to detect the version of minecraft reliably, even on heavily modified jar files.
[11:57]<ChosenAlt> I came here to solve problems. Now I am accidentally learning :P
[11:57]<@BC_Programming> even if they have .so equivalents for Linux you still need to create this funky config file so Mono noes to use that .so file whenever you dllImport()
[11:57]<@BC_Programming> noes=knows*
[11:57]<ChosenAlt> .dll?
[11:58]<Tux2> supporting libraries.
[11:58]<@BC_Programming> was it wrong of me to lol?
[11:58]<ChosenAlt> This is as if you were teaching me Spanish... With you speaking Spanish.
[11:58]<ChosenAlt> And me having no clue about Spanish.
[11:58]<ChosenAlt> Can't blame you though.
[11:58]<@BC_Programming> Also Mono is kind of broken tbh
[11:58]<ChosenAlt> But...
[11:59]<ChosenAlt> I asked a question some time ago.
[11:59]<ChosenAlt> "Chosenalt: Object files have .o extensions, right?
[11:59]<ChosenAlt> *"
[11:59]<@BC_Programming> no
[11:59]<ChosenAlt> :O
[11:59]<@BC_Programming> Windows compilers make them .obj files
[11:59]<@BC_Programming> usually
[11:59]<@BC_Programming> .o is usually the output from linking
[12:00]<@BC_Programming> linux compilers don't usually give extensions for anything, unless you tell it to
[12:00]<ChosenAlt> http://miburl.com/b47KLx
[12:00]<ChosenAlt> Pic related.
[12:05]<ChosenAlt> Anyway, I'm going AFK.
[12:05]<ChosenAlt> See you all later.
[12:08]<@BC_Programming> haha... somebody posted "Pirating is a serious problem for the computer and will eventually be the death of pc gaming."
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[12:08]<@BC_Programming> I said "1983 called. They want their computer gaming article headlines back. "
[12:11]<Tux2> lol!
[12:12]<@BC_Programming> it's funny because it's true
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[12:19]<+Mulreay> lol
[12:20]<+Mulreay> sorry was a bit late there... photoshop yet again
[12:20]<@BC_Programming> haha
[12:20]<@BC_Programming> I've made WAAAAY to many pony related signature bars
[12:21]<+Mulreay> lol, time to remove the ability for sigs on my site one thinks :p
[12:21]<ChosenAlt> Haha.
[12:21]<ChosenAlt> Back.
[12:21]<ChosenAlt> You guys are bronies?
[12:21]<@BC_Programming> Mulreay: LOL
[12:21]<ChosenAlt> Also, it's been proven that piracy doesn't ruin games.
[12:21]<+Mulreay> SAS is a pony free zone... for now anyway
[12:21]<ChosenAlt> SAS?
[12:21]<ChosenAlt> What is 'SAS'?
[12:21]<@BC_Programming> naww I haven't actually used them
[12:21]<@BC_Programming> I just posted them in the minecraft pony thread
[12:22]<+Mulreay> heh cool
[12:22]<@BC_Programming> I still want to know how the hell a fanbase crops up around characters that appear ONE TIME for like 5 seconds
[12:22]<ChosenAlt> I don't see the appeal to a show that was meant to be for girls, no offense D:
[12:22]<ChosenAlt> Anyway, what's 'SAS'?
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[12:22]<@BC_Programming> oops
[12:22]<@BC_Programming> rofl
[12:22]<+Mulreay> hahahahaha
[12:22]<@BC_Programming> couldn't resist
[12:22]<+Mulreay> awesome
[12:23]<+Mulreay> nearly headbutted my keyboard laughing forward
[12:23]<@BC_Programming> I should have chosen a funny reason
[12:23]<@BC_Programming> "come back when you are 20% cooler"
[12:24]<+Mulreay> A MLP quote of some kind? For next time
[12:24]<@BC_Programming> aye
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[12:25]<@BC_Programming> lol
[12:25]<@BC_Programming> that was hilarious
[12:25]<ChosenAlt> Why exactly did you do that!?
[12:25]<@BC_Programming> because it was funny
[12:25]<ChosenAlt> ...
[12:25]<+Mulreay> I Lol'd
[12:26]<ChosenAlt> If it weren't for Chanbot and you being a mod this room would be full of profanities.
[12:26]<+Mulreay> Well yeah... duh
[12:26]<@BC_Programming> then my job is done
[12:26]<ChosenAlt> But why?
[12:26]<ChosenAlt> Because I don't like MLP?
[12:26]<+Mulreay> It's not what you say it's how you say it
[12:27]<@BC_Programming> because I've addressed that exact concern far too many times before
[12:27]<ChosenAlt> Well, I haven't been here for a long time...
[12:27]<ChosenAlt> I could not have known.
[12:27]<@BC_Programming> I wouldn't have expected you to
[12:27]<@BC_Programming> I did it for the lolz
[12:28]<+Mulreay> and we did
[12:28]<ChosenAlt> Damn.
[12:28]<@BC_Programming> it shouldn't have kept you from rejoining right away though
[12:28]<+Mulreay> BC_Programming your quota for lolz has been met today
[12:28]<ChosenAlt> Will I get kicked if I call this 'abuse of power'?
[12:28]<ChosenAlt> And if I explain why?
[12:28]<@BC_Programming> it's not "abuse of power"
[12:28]<@BC_Programming> because you could just rejoin right away
[12:29]<@BC_Programming> if I had banned you, yes then it would have been
[12:29]<ChosenAlt> True.
[12:29]<ChosenAlt> Still, it wasn't needed.
[12:29]<@BC_Programming> neither was what you said, but you still said it, right?
[12:29]<+Mulreay> ChosenAlt you seem to have lost the funny side of what he did... but explaining a joke just makes it less funny.. so lets leave it there
[12:29]<ChosenAlt> We were talking about MLP.
[12:29]<ChosenAlt> So I expressed my opinion.
[12:29]<ChosenAlt> I was not planning on saying more about it.
[12:30]<ChosenAlt> Leave alone bashing it.
[12:30]<ChosenAlt> I know I'm taking this rather serious, Mulreay.
[12:30]<@BC_Programming> it was funny because it was totally unexpected, normally I would have probably drawn up some long paragraph or something
[12:31]<ChosenAlt> But you know why?
[12:31]<ChosenAlt> Agh, never mind.
[12:31]<ChosenAlt> This isn't going anywhere.
[12:31]<ChosenAlt> I'm leaving. I know what I needed to know.
[12:31]<ChosenAlt> I hope.
[12:31]<ChosenAlt> Bye people.
[12:31]<@BC_Programming> I'm looking for a post I made
[12:31]<+Mulreay> where?
[12:32]<@BC_Programming> graham: MC forums
[12:32]<+Mulreay> ahh
[12:32]<ChosenAlt> Is that post relevant to me?
[12:32]<@BC_Programming> it was long, better than a similar post I made on the blog
[12:32]<ChosenAlt> Then I'll wait.
[12:32]<@BC_Programming> chosen: about MLP, pretty much in responseto critique that was similar to yours there
[12:32]<ChosenAlt> Ah.
[12:32]<ChosenAlt> I said it in a really neutral way though.
[12:32]<ChosenAlt> I could also have said "I don't like girls shows".
[12:33]<ChosenAlt> *girls'
[12:33]<ChosenAlt> But it isn't a girls' show.
[12:33]<ChosenAlt> Girls' shows don't exist.
[12:33]<+Mulreay> Side stepped another lol there
[12:33]<ChosenAlt> Shows that are primarily aimed at girls do, though.
[12:33]<ChosenAlt> And such I said. That I thought of MLP as such a show.
[12:34]<+Mulreay> ChosenAlt have you ever actually watched it?
[12:34]<ChosenAlt> First episode.
[12:34]<ChosenAlt> Dammit.
[12:34]<ChosenAlt> Every time I say I dislike the show and bronies are around they ALWAYS say: "Have you watched it."
[12:35]<ChosenAlt> Or "You probably haven't watched it"
[12:35]<+Mulreay> I'm not a Bronie, but I appreciate some of the comedy in there... however I like you have watched little
[12:35]<ChosenAlt> I can see why people like it...
[12:36]<ChosenAlt> ...it's just that I don't see the appeal.
[12:36]<@BC_Programming> Well I liked it before it was cool
[12:36]<+Mulreay> <ChosenAlt> I don't see the appeal to a show that was meant to be for girls, no offense D:
[12:36]<+Mulreay> How can you say 'I can see why people like it' then
[12:36]<ChosenAlt> I don't see the appeal to the show, which was incidentally meant for girls.
[12:36]<@BC_Programming> only reason I ever discovered it was that damned tvtropes.com
[12:37]<ChosenAlt> And I dislike anything even slightly girly.
[12:37]<ChosenAlt> Other people don't seem to care.
[12:37]<@BC_Programming> ahh, yes, wouldn't want to feel emasculate
[12:38]<ChosenAlt> I value my masculinity very much since that I became a masculinist and an anti-feminist.
[12:38]<ChosenAlt> To protest against the notion that men should too be feminine.
[12:38]<ChosenAlt> As said by some feminists.
[12:38]<ChosenAlt> Also, I concur, "Damn TvTropes" ;)
[12:38]<+Mulreay> ChosenAlt would you like a shovel to go with that hole?
[12:39]<ChosenAlt> What do you mean with that?
[12:39]<@BC_Programming> more like you are protecting a fragile ego
[12:40]<ChosenAlt> Fragile ego's come with puberty.
[12:40]<@BC_Programming> lol
[12:40]<ChosenAlt> Which I am progressing through at the moment :/
[12:41]<ChosenAlt> But...
[12:41]<ChosenAlt> How to put this...
[12:41]<@BC_Programming> this post is bloody impossible to find
[12:42]<ChosenAlt> Why shouldn't I be insecure?
[12:42]<ChosenAlt> Wait, disregard that.
[12:42]<@BC_Programming> Wooo I found it
[12:42]<ChosenAlt> Do you disapprove of my pride and attempted protection of masculinity?
[12:43]<ChosenAlt> I'm not necessarily saying you guys are 'girly' or something like that.
[12:44]<+Mulreay> Are we really going down this road?
[12:44]<ChosenAlt> BC_Programming: more like you are protecting a fragile ego
[12:44]<+Mulreay> seems like we are
[12:45]<@BC_Programming> ChosenAlt: how so?
[12:46]<ChosenAlt> It seemed like you viewed my attempted protection at masculinity as some pathetic attempt at shielding a fragile ego.
[12:46]<ChosenAlt> It could easily just be a misunderstanding though.
[12:46]<ChosenAlt> Hence I ask some questions.
[12:47]<ChosenAlt> Seems like I'm not going to be programming this evening...
[12:48]<@BC_Programming> " It seemed like you viewed my attempted protection at masculinity as some pathetic attempt at shielding a fragile ego."
[12:48]<@BC_Programming> of course I did, because those are one and the same
[12:48]<ChosenAlt> Bother to explain?
[12:49]<@BC_Programming> That doesn't need explanation. Seems pretty obvious
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[12:50]<ChosenAlt> Look...
[12:50]<@BC_Programming> http://bc-programming.com/blogs/2011/02/mlpfim-infection/
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[12:50]<@BC_Programming> mulreay makes a cameo in that one
[12:50]<ChosenAlt> It's not like the one and only reason that I don't watch MLP is protecting masculinity.
[12:51]<@BC_Programming> ChosenAlt: that is what you just said
[12:51]<ChosenAlt> Did I?
[12:51]<ChosenAlt> Damn.
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[12:51]<@BC_Programming> " Do you disapprove of my pride and attempted protection of masculinity?"
[12:52]<@BC_Programming> LOL cam comes in and just leaves
[12:52]<ChosenAlt> That was more a response to you accusing me of pathetically attempting to save my 'fragile ego'.
[12:52]<@BC_Programming> three-point rebuttal http://bc-programming.com/blogs/2011/08/the-mlp-three-point-rebuttal/
[12:52]<+Mulreay> lol
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[12:52]<ChosenAlt> The 'attempted protection' does not specifically refer to MLP
[12:52]<+Mulreay> see what's happened.... leaving in droves
[12:52]<@BC_Programming> ChosenAlt: but that is what we were talking about- what else could you have been referring to, a dislike of ladybugs?
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[12:54]<ChosenAlt> I try to protect my masculinity, but that does not specifically refer to MLP. I also simply dislike the show.
[12:55]<ChosenAlt> Then I was accused for having a fragile ego for that.
[12:55]<+camerongray> Watch out, BC will get mad if you say something bad about mlp!
[12:55]<ChosenAlt> He already kicked me.
[12:55]<@BC_Programming> It could save your marriage!
[12:55]<ChosenAlt> What damn marriage?
[12:55]<@BC_Programming> in the future
[12:55]<ChosenAlt> BC, this may sound really pathetic...
[12:55]<@BC_Programming> I expect nothing less of you
[12:55]<+camerongray> lol
[12:55]<ChosenAlt> !!
[12:56]<+Mulreay> Heh, I come off as such a bastard in that... I would like to offer the fact that after pushing past my original ignorance I watched an episode and I do state 'found the humour actually really clever'.
[12:56]<ChosenAlt> If I am not mistaken, you are saying I am pathetic.
[12:56]<@BC_Programming> no I just said that because it was funny
[12:56]<ChosenAlt> But I am not sure if I am going to marry in the future, if the mysandric marriage laws of today will stand ground.
[12:57]<+Mulreay> Your gonna say your a 'creationist' next aint you
[12:57]<ChosenAlt> BC, you have kicked me, accused me of a fragile ego, and called me pathetic, because it's funny?
[12:57]<ChosenAlt> No, I detest creationism.
[12:57]<@BC_Programming> no I revise my statement, it's definitely true
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[12:57]<ChosenAlt> As it's a pseudo-science 'factually' based on religion.
[12:57]<ChosenAlt> A science with the holes filled up with religion.
[12:57]<+Mulreay> 'Hate' is such a strong word
[12:58]<ChosenAlt> I said 'detest'.
[12:58]<+Mulreay> and?
[12:58]<ChosenAlt> Detest is not hate, if I am not mistaken?
[12:58]<ChosenAlt> If it's wrong, I retract my statement.
[12:58]<ChosenAlt> Just switch 'detest' with 'dislike'.
[12:59]<ChosenAlt> And now I'm being ridiculed for supporting masculinism and opposing feminism?
[12:59]<+camerongray> I am confused
[12:59]<@BC_Programming> no, you're being ridiculed for beign an <censored>
[12:59]<ChosenAlt> Woah.
[12:59]<+Mulreay> lol
[12:59]<ChosenAlt> Why do you suddenly seem to dislike me?
[13:00]<+Mulreay> camerongray what did you think of that link I gave you?
[13:00]<ChosenAlt> This all started with MLP.
[13:00]<@BC_Programming> I've never liked you
[13:00]<ChosenAlt> Hm.
[13:00]<ChosenAlt> Whatever.
[13:00]<ChosenAlt> Why exactly do you dislike me?
[13:00]<+Mulreay> He never said that
[13:01]<ChosenAlt> Not liking is disliking.
[13:01]<ChosenAlt> Or not?
[13:01]<+Mulreay> how so?
[13:01]<ChosenAlt> English is not my native language.
[13:01]<ChosenAlt> Why don't you like me?
[13:01]<ChosenAlt> That's better.
[13:01]<ChosenAlt> I hope.
[13:01]<+Mulreay> To like or dislike would assume somebody has an emotional feeling toward you
[13:01]<+Mulreay> He just probably 'knows' you
[13:02]<+Mulreay> I don't hate you and I don't like you... it's just you
[13:02]<@BC_Programming> I like bears
[13:02]<+Mulreay> lol
[13:02]<+Mulreay> possums really have taken the back seat now
[13:02]<+Mulreay> I miss possums
[13:03]<ChosenAlt> Well, BC.
[13:03]<@BC_Programming> I don't have to answer that question
[13:03]<ChosenAlt> Is it true? Do you just 'know' me?
[13:03]<@BC_Programming> you wouldn't like the result anyway
[13:03]<ChosenAlt> Hm.
[13:03]<ChosenAlt> It's already rather clear that you at the very least do not like me.
[13:04]<+Mulreay> ego?
[13:04]<@BC_Programming> I would hope so, since I did say that
[13:04]<ChosenAlt> What do you mean, Mulreay?
[13:04]<@BC_Programming> if it helps you are still a few notches above RalphSpencer though
[13:04]<ChosenAlt> I don't know Ralph.
[13:04]<+Mulreay> yeah but who aint?
[13:04]<@BC_Programming> consider yourself lucky :P
[13:05]<ChosenAlt> I'm still developing opinions while discussing.
[13:05]<+Mulreay> To worry over someones like or dislike is egotisticle as in you need people to like you... people with no ego do not care what people think
[13:05]<ChosenAlt> Hence the incidental possible contradiction.
[13:05]<ChosenAlt> I do not need people to like me.
[13:06]<@BC_Programming> heh... egotesticle would have been a better typo there
[13:06]<ChosenAlt> I just dislike it when they call me 'pathetic'.
[13:06]<+Mulreay> lol, yeah my bad
[13:06]<+Mulreay> was typing on the fly
[13:06]<@BC_Programming> I usually type on my keyboard
[13:06]<+Mulreay> heh
[13:06]<ChosenAlt> But, why do you treat me like this?
[13:07]<@BC_Programming> like what?
[13:07]<ChosenAlt> Calling me 'pathetic'.
[13:07]<ChosenAlt> Or at least, that's what I thought you did.
[13:08]<@BC_Programming> you have a miserably inadequate world view and think you can form objective opinions about world events, laws, and the state of society based on that.
[13:10]<ChosenAlt> Okay.
[13:10]<ChosenAlt> Anyway, I have to go.
[13:11]<ChosenAlt> Bye.
[13:11]<+Mulreay> later
[13:11]<@BC_Programming> Bye then
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[13:12]<+Mulreay> wow what did he want a parade or something?
[13:12]<@BC_Programming> haha
[13:12]<@BC_Programming> and not a single f*ck was given that day
[13:13]<+Mulreay> yep, well done all around
[13:13]<@BC_Programming> haha I love that last response
[13:13]<@BC_Programming> he couldn't even respond to that
[13:13]<+Mulreay> just 'Okay'
[13:13]<@BC_Programming> when I kicked him... that was freaking hilarious
[13:13]<@BC_Programming> and his reaction just made it even funnier
[13:14]<@BC_Programming> I was tempted to kick him again "Kicked by BC_Programming(abusin mah powah)"
[13:14]<+camerongray> hahaha
[13:14]<+Mulreay> yeah heh, I can imagine (with the time it took for him to come back) sitting staring at the screen thinking wtf?
[13:14]<@BC_Programming> yeah was wondering what took so long
[13:15]<+Mulreay> haha at the 'powah'
[13:16]<+Mulreay> It made me smile with his 'without chanbot and you as mod it would be full of profanity' I was like 'well yeah, duh'
[13:17]<@BC_Programming> heh
[13:17]<@BC_Programming> that was almost as lolzy as RedWulf
[13:17]<@BC_Programming> but no... no I don't think we can ever top that
[13:17]<+Mulreay> heh
[13:18]<@BC_Programming> Possumboy works for BigBear, and bigbear got a big house and painted it blue so they call him the Bear in the Big Blue House
[13:18]<+Mulreay> we need more trolls in here for practise
[13:18]<+Mulreay> lol
[13:18]<@BC_Programming> when he asked why I didn't like him I had this long dissertation
[13:19]<@BC_Programming> asking stupid questions, treating basic programming concepts like functions as if they were theories, interrupting other conversations asking for a definition of a word when you could just use google....
[13:19]<+Mulreay> Sorry about that, I went straight for 'what is it to dislike or like something'
[13:20]<@BC_Programming> yeah but I figured mine was bit too "strong"
[13:20]<@BC_Programming> besides the later one was soo much better
[13:20]<+Mulreay> yeah
[13:21]<@BC_Programming> that was funny because the "Save your marriage" thing was a joke I used in one of the blog posts
[13:22]<+Mulreay> I'm not a fan of kids on the internet, I think there should be a licence... like a drivers licence.. you sit with someone, learn how to spell with grammer and then be tested on responses on youtube videos
[13:23]<@BC_Programming> hahas
[13:28]<+Mulreay> I assume you will have BC_Programming, but have you read about the new mob in MC?
[13:28]<@BC_Programming> Enderman? yep
[13:28]<+Mulreay> sounds fun
[13:28]<@BC_Programming> Andrules was here earlier asking about it
[13:28]<@BC_Programming> apparently google is a foreign concept
[13:29]<+Mulreay> heh
[13:29]<+Mulreay> Never knew it was called that
[13:29]<@BC_Programming> apparently it's based on "Slenderman"
[13:29]<@BC_Programming> no idea wtf that is though
[13:29]<@BC_Programming> probably something stupid from a japanese anime
[13:29]<+Mulreay> yeah
[13:30]<+Mulreay> I like the idea of it just going about it's business unless the reticule settles on it
[13:31]<+Mulreay> Bit shitty for people like me set to 'tiny'
[13:31]<@BC_Programming> yeha you'll never know
[13:31]<@BC_Programming> just this freaky black thing comes out of the fog
[13:32]<+Mulreay> heh
[13:32]<@BC_Programming> I don't like it's name though
[13:32]<@BC_Programming> it should be called something like "Creepy"
[13:32]<@BC_Programming> so you'll have creepers and creepy's
[13:34]<+Mulreay> Mmm I think may be 'stalker' or 'blinker' the whole concept is taken from Dr Who though so I still think it's a steal from a TV show
[13:34]<@BC_Programming> they kind of look like aliens
[13:35]<+Mulreay> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH0R01gP3m0
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[13:37]<+Mulreay> If that's not a stolen idea I don't know what is
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[13:40]<@BC_Programming> haha awesome
[13:40]<+Mulreay> It was rated as one of the best 'monstors' in Dr Who
[13:41]<+Mulreay> obviously Notch is a Dr Who fan
[13:42]<+Mulreay> monsters*
[13:42]<@BC_Programming> well... the mob still comes at you when you aren't looking at it
[13:42]<+Mulreay> That's the point
[13:42]<+Mulreay> so do the 'weeping angels'
[13:42]<@BC_Programming> sorry when you ARE looking at it I meant
[13:42]<+Mulreay> ahh yeah
[13:43]<@BC_Programming> until you "target" it it just goes about it's business, and then when you look at it, it stops what it is doing, and then turns, and stares at you... and when you take the reticle off it comes at you
[13:43]<+Mulreay> But who's to say that pheripheral vision is counted in the quantum world... just a slight twist
[13:44]<+Mulreay> Still VERY close to Dr Who
[13:44]<+Mulreay> of course I don't believe that about pheripheral vision
[13:45]<+Mulreay> I'm gonna stick with he 'borrowed' the idea
[13:46]<@BC_Programming> he might not have even seen it, hard to say. doubt it was an original concept for Dr.Who either to be fair
[13:47]<@BC_Programming> I mean, it might have been used before that, whether the writers knew or not
[13:47]<+Mulreay> Never seen a 'monster' that was quantum locked before
[13:48]<@BC_Programming> naturally they don't use that term, but it's not "quantum locked" on minecraft, either
[13:49]<+Mulreay> I know what your saying, it's just a little too close to the mob, and the weeping angels' seems a little too similar
[13:50]<+Mulreay> The fact that they 'attack you VERY quickly' when you move away]
[13:50]<@BC_Programming> you have to look at them first though
[13:50]<+Mulreay> The only way to stop them attacking when it turns towards you is to 'keep looking' at it
[13:51]<@BC_Programming> but if you look at it again that doesn't stop it, either
[13:51]<@BC_Programming> there are just as many similarities as there are differences, really
[13:51]<+Mulreay> Come on bud, you can paint it as much as you want... it's VERY samey
[13:51]<@BC_Programming> An Angel statue is not a tall black slim man that carries blocks... :P
[13:51]<+Mulreay> The concept not the graphics
[13:52]<@BC_Programming> apparently it's based on this
[13:52]<@BC_Programming> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/slender-man#.TjcDFYLmQwA
[13:52]<@BC_Programming> Notch doesn't really seem like he watches Dr.Who either
[13:53]<+Mulreay> How so?
[13:53]<@BC_Programming> well first I'm sure he would have stated the connection
[13:54]<@BC_Programming> he states the connection to that stupid slenderman thing, but if it was inspired by the Dr.Who 'monsters' that would have been much more awesome
[13:54]<+Mulreay> That's like me saying 'Bc doesn't seem like he watches MPL' after reading a couple of your blog posts
[13:54]<+Mulreay> MLP*
[13:54]<@BC_Programming> No, he stated it was inspired by slenderman in the post, I believe
[13:54]<@BC_Programming> I think the similarities are more coincidental than anything
[13:55]<+Mulreay> Unless he would be worried about 'creative rights' with the BBC
[13:56]<@BC_Programming> no
[13:56]<+Mulreay> ok
[13:57]<+Mulreay> I like that you answer on behalf of Notch.... just saying
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[13:58]<+Mulreay> OK that went down well
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[14:38]<@BC_Programming> fecking windows updates
[14:38]<+Craig> Bahahahahaha
[14:38]<@BC_Programming> why is it that when you disable them, they still INSTALL AUTOMATICALLY
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[14:39]<+Craig> Set them to ask you about updates. Its still annoying, but they dont install and wont restart automatically, unless you tell it to. :P
[14:39]<@BC_Programming> every time I reboot I am reminded how much crap I don't need starting right away
[14:39]<+Craig> Optimize your startup :P
[14:39]<@BC_Programming> I usually close them all and forget about it until the next time I reboot
[14:40]<+Craig> :P
[14:40]<@BC_Programming> heh and now Windows update is saying there are more updates, haha
[14:50]<+Mulreay> BC_Programming what is your favourite colour?
[14:50]<@BC_Programming> hmm
[14:50]<@BC_Programming> orange I guess
[14:50]<+Mulreay> ok
[14:50]<@BC_Programming> Also I found that 20% cooler clip
[14:50]<@BC_Programming> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L83cTan6ESk&NR=1
[14:56]<+Mulreay> Orange doesn't work... mmm need a line that says 'you'
[14:56]<@BC_Programming> hmm dunno then
[14:56]<+Craig> O' mywa
[14:57]<@BC_Programming> my thoughts exactly Craig
[14:57]<@BC_Programming> heh
[15:02]<+Mulreay> working on the basic stuff, then will add more 'fancy stuff' later
[15:02]<+Mulreay> http://imagebin.org/166007
[15:03]<+Craig> Hahahah Thats awesome
[15:03]<@BC_Programming> haha very cool
[15:03]<+Mulreay> heh thanks
[15:03]<+Mulreay> that's just my thing to work on
[15:07]<+Mulreay> I did centre the text
[15:07]<+Mulreay> http://imagebin.org/166010
[15:10]<+Craig> I thinhk the other way looked a little bit better.
[15:10]<+Craig> But thats my opinion.
[15:14]<+Mulreay> OK
[15:32]<+Mulreay> lol
[15:32]<+Mulreay> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxV5CdNOdq4&feature=feedu
[15:34]<@BC_Programming> heh sooo laggy
[15:35]<+Mulreay> I guess they told everyone to stand still less they kill the server
[15:36]<@BC_Programming> no they are moving, just network lag keeps you from seeing it except at intervals
[15:36]<+Mulreay> ahh, just watching your toaster like
[15:36]<@BC_Programming> heh
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