Session Start: Wed Jul 06 00:00:00 2011 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
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[07:08]<+camerongray> hey jacky
[07:09]<@jacky> camerongray: Howdy
[07:41]<+camerongray> Did I show you the new service I've just launched?
[07:47]<@jacky> sorry
[07:47]<@jacky> didn't see your post
[07:47]<@jacky> No.. I don't recall it
[07:57]<+camerongray> unshorten.it
[07:57]<+camerongray> Unmasks shortened URLs
[08:02]<+camerongray> http://www.unshorten.it/
[08:05]<@jacky> does that do the same thing as tiny url site?
[08:05]<@jacky> oh.. wait
[08:06]<@jacky> it is the reverse ?
[08:15]<+camerongray> Yeh
[08:16]<+camerongray> Lots of spammers are using short URLs to send links to dangerous websites sine you have no idea where it will take you
[08:16]<+camerongray> So unshorten.it will tell you where it will take you and give you safety ratings from web of trust .etc
[08:19]<@jacky> pretty cool idea
[08:20]<@jacky> I hadn't heard of it before.... is this an original idea of yours?
[08:20]<@jacky> if so, congrats!
[08:20]<@jacky> :)
[08:21]<+camerongray> thanks
[08:21]<+camerongray> I'm working on a search plugin for Firefox now
[08:22]<+camerongray> So you can use it from the search box in your browser
[08:22]<@jacky> cool
[08:22]<@jacky> you could be famous!
[08:23]<+camerongray> lol
[08:23]<+camerongray> It's me and a group of friends working on it
[08:24]<@jacky> luck on you
[08:24]<@jacky> :)
[08:24]<+camerongray> thanks
[08:24]<+camerongray> I did most of the site, my friend is working on browser extensions
[08:24]<@jacky> teamwork!
[08:24]<+camerongray> Well...
[08:24]<+camerongray> When we have meetings it turns into playing games :P
[08:24]<@jacky> ah...
[08:24]<@jacky> concentration problems
[08:24]<@jacky> heheeh
[08:25]<+camerongray> Yeh :P
[08:25]<+camerongray> I'm the one trying to get everyone to work
[08:25]<@jacky> crack that whip!
[08:25]<@jacky> hehehe
[08:25]<+camerongray> ool
[08:25]<+camerongray> lol*
[08:26]<+camerongray> For example - Was planning on using my projector to demonstrate the unshortener before release - Ended up playing the PS3 on the projector :P
[08:27]<@jacky> heh
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[10:13]<@BC_Programming> !w nanaimo bc
[10:13]<@BC_Programming> haha 2 degrees yeah I wish
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[10:30]<+camerongray> Wow - Microsoft have released more apps for the Zune HD
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[11:21]<+camerongray> Tux2: I'm getting an end of stream on the MC server
[11:32]<Tux2> camerongray, are you still getting eos?
[11:33]<Tux2> camerongray, just restarted the server, should be good now
[11:51]<@BC_Programming> hmm about half of the delphi books I dl'd are in German
[11:51]<+Mulreay> bonjour... oh wait gutten tag
[11:51]<@BC_Programming> it's the only answer
[11:52]<@BC_Programming> or, I could just read the english ones
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[12:18]<+camerongray> grr - really want the server to be updated to 1.7 - Stupid piston bug!
[12:19]<@BC_Programming> yeah
[12:19]<@BC_Programming> my sound driver just bombed hard
[12:19]<@BC_Programming> I may BSOD
[12:19]<@BC_Programming> so yeah if there is a ping timeout you know why
[12:20]<+camerongray> lol
[12:21]<@BC_Programming> maybe I can bide time by switching to my on-board, heh
[12:22]<@BC_Programming> I think I'll just reboot instead...
[12:23]<@BC_Programming> brb
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[12:24]<+Mulreay> camerongray have you got a sec for some advice
[12:24]<Tux2> lol camerongray, 1.7.3 is coming out tomorrow.
[12:24]<Tux2> I want the server updated as much as you do.
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[12:25]<@bc_programming> forgot tha
[12:25]<@bc_programming> windows updates -_-
[12:25]<@bc_programming> yes windows, good idea, hey let's apply these updates with the ongoing threat of a BSOD
[12:25]<Tux2> lol...
[12:26]<Tux2> Why do you think I use linux again?
[12:26]<@bc_programming> ?
[12:26]<@bc_programming> really it's FLStudio
[12:26]<@bc_programming> it makes the sound driver do something cruel and unnatural or something
[12:26]<Tux2> lol...
[12:27]<+camerongray> Cool
[12:27]<+camerongray> Yep Mulreay
[12:27]<+Mulreay> thx
[12:31]<+Mulreay> camerongray I need help changing these thing on our host... I'm installing joomla
[12:31]<+Mulreay> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/832/unleddbk.jpg/
[12:31]<+Mulreay> oops
[12:31]<+Mulreay> http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/423/unleddbk.jpg
[12:33]<+camerongray> That should be fine
[12:34]<+Mulreay> k thx
[12:34]<+camerongray> I'll miss this duplication bug - Just made a machine that makes infinite TNT and pushes it towards a cliff with a RS torch on it
[12:34]<+camerongray> Result - Very deep hole
[12:35]<+camerongray> Right down to bedrock
[12:46]<Tux2> ha ha!
[12:59]<Tux2> Yet another reason why I didn't upgrade yet.
[13:23]<+camerongray> lol
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[13:37]<+Mulreay> My Sky has gone down... and the gasses thing that surrounds us
[13:37]<+Mulreay> gaseous*
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[14:00]<@bc_programming> just found a unopened bottle of pepsi just lying around
[14:00]<@bc_programming> it's like treasure
[14:02]<Tux2> lol!
[14:04]<+camerongray> lol
[14:04]<+camerongray> I just found some pringles
[14:20]<+Mulreay> Anyone else think that 'auto-updates' are like someone running infront of the TV screaming 'look at me, look at me!' And when you don't, they just keep moving there face infront of the screen until you click OK.
[14:20]<@bc_programming> depends which ones you mean
[14:21]<+Mulreay> Apple
[14:21]<@bc_programming> oh yeah... those are bad... "hey, I see there is a new version of iTunes... also, I checked off Safari for you even though you don't have it"
[14:22]<+Mulreay> yeah exactly... they gang up and mug you
[14:22]<@bc_programming> then after, "would you like to set safari as your default browser" and you are all wtf I only wanted to update itunes
[14:23]<@bc_programming> and "congratulations, you are now using the latest version of quicktime"
[14:23]<@bc_programming> NOOOOO
[14:23]<+Mulreay> They do Quicktime as well
[14:23]<+Mulreay> oh yeah
[14:24]<+Mulreay> Each update requires the person to 'sit still, don't move and wait'
[14:24]<@bc_programming> Make no sudden movements... those updaters... they can sense fear...
[14:25]<+Mulreay> heh
[14:25]<+Mulreay> There never small either.. like 100mb/s a time
[14:25]<@bc_programming> and "congratulations, you are now using the latest version of iTunes! please wait while the new version deletes all your music for no reason"
[14:25]<+Mulreay> heh
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[14:26]<+Mulreay> sorry mbs
[14:35]<+Mulreay> This is quite interesting
[14:35]<+Mulreay> http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/marketing/index.html
[14:36]<Tux2> "Browser and/or OS not supported."
[14:36]<Tux2> That's what it tells me. ;)
[14:36]<@bc_programming> same, because I tried to go there on my laptop
[14:36]<@bc_programming> it's canyourunit or something, basically
[14:37]<+Mulreay> On my laptop... worked fine
[14:37]<+Mulreay> not the game
[14:37]<@bc_programming> yeah but your laptop isn't running linux :P
[14:37]<+Mulreay> just the video card
[14:38]<@bc_programming> what game... all I get when I go there is a "Find out if you can run that game on your PC" on one side, and the other side has some links/buttons to some services...
[14:38]<@bc_programming> was it supposed to be a results page?
[14:39]<+Mulreay> Choose a game and then click check
[14:40]<@bc_programming> yeah I know... this is "canyourunit" just compares your system specs with the published specs of the game ,I think. still useful somewhat
[14:40]<@bc_programming> unless you are using linux I guess, lol
[14:40]<+Mulreay> Yeah, was not hoping that it would solve issues... just a quick ref before you buy a game
[14:41]<@bc_programming> according to it I could run crysis 2
[14:41]<@bc_programming> I probably could I guess
[14:41]<+Mulreay> Doubt it would run good
[14:42]<@bc_programming> it get's a pass for everything, have double the necessary RAM, four cores, and faster than the two cores it requires, etc
[14:42]<@bc_programming> this is my desktop, not my laptop, btw
[14:43]<@bc_programming> hey there is no minecraft entry
[14:43]<@bc_programming> lol
[14:43]<+Mulreay> Yeah I checked that
[14:43]<+Mulreay> Mine would fail
[14:44]<@bc_programming> hmm the checking thing seems to think I have 4GB of video memory
[14:44]<@bc_programming> otherwise I only meet the required 512MB for most of the newer ones I've tried
[14:45]<+Mulreay> Video Card
[14:45]<+Mulreay> Minimum: 64 MB video card with support for Transfer and Lighting
[14:45]<+Mulreay> You Have: SiS Mirage 3 Graphics
[14:45]<+Mulreay> Upgrade Suggested: Unfortunately, your Video Card does not meet this requirement. Click here to see some recommendations.
[14:45]<+Mulreay> Features: Minimum attributes of your Video Card
[14:45]<+Mulreay> Required You Have
[14:45]<+Mulreay> Video RAM 64 MB 376.6 MB
[14:45]<+Mulreay> 3D Yes Yes
[14:45]<+Mulreay> Hardware T&L Yes Yes
[14:45]<+Mulreay> I get that for nearly every game
[14:45]<@bc_programming> heh
[14:47]<+Mulreay> Oh bc_programming are there MLP videos of them in fights?
[14:48]<@bc_programming> how do you mean
[14:48]<@bc_programming> there is that one fan game "Fighting is magic" that had that preview vid
[14:48]<+Mulreay> Not sure how the stories go... but are they ever in scraps with others
[14:48]<@bc_programming> yeah that's happened more than once
[14:48]<+Mulreay> 'hammer to fall'
[14:49]<+Mulreay> if it's timed right
[14:49]<@bc_programming> I was actually going to take a whole bunch of different clips and do headlong
[14:49]<+Mulreay> yeah that would be cool
[14:50]<@bc_programming> particularly, since there is one episode that is basically a race, should sync well with parts of it
[14:50]<@bc_programming> but considering how long it took for me to finally finish that Kind of magic one, could be a while :/
[14:51]<+Mulreay> heh
[14:51]<@bc_programming> also thought of a few coulton and weird al songs that might work... but then I'd no longer be doing the queen thing
[14:52]<+Mulreay> They both deserve something
[14:53]<@bc_programming> or I could put on my sappy hat and Do "friends will be friends", that might turn out funny
[14:53]<+Mulreay> heh
[14:55]<@bc_programming> nice thing if I use a Coulton song is that they are under creative Commons so I don't have to worry about that being blocked crap
[14:56]<+Mulreay> or you could do 'I want to break free... not sure where you would go with that
[14:56]<@bc_programming> actually I was thinking of trying to use that for FlutterShy
[14:57]<@bc_programming> something like that, I want to break free, friends will be friends, your my best friend, one of those types they have- if that makes sense
[14:58]<Tux2> You know what, I just came to an interesting conclusion....
[14:59]<@bc_programming> I'm insane, we've covered that
[14:59]<+Mulreay> Queen is awesome?
[14:59]<Tux2> As we make computers smarter the average person gets dumber...
[14:59]<@bc_programming> that as well
[14:59]<@bc_programming> Tux2: invent a machine that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it
[14:59]<Tux2> lol....
[15:00]<Tux2> It's like, we give people more tools to get their job done, and what happens???
[15:01]<Tux2> It's like your intelligence is inversely proportional to the amount of time you spend sitting behind the computer monitor. For most people.
[15:01]<@bc_programming> when you invent a idiot-proof system, along comes a better idiot.
[15:02]<+Mulreay> Or amy be the gap between computer nerds and computer noobs is getting bigger
[15:02]<@bc_programming> I think there is a gap in the market for bears
[15:02]<+Mulreay> may*
[15:03]<Tux2> lol, probably Mulreay
[15:04]<@bc_programming> In a way, because back in the day when people had to learn DOS, they basically had to have intermediate skill to do anything useful at all with a PC
[15:05]<@bc_programming> but now it's a bunch of clicks and pre-packaged software that people can use to do stuff like video editing without having any clue about how a computer works
[15:05]<+Mulreay> people simply don't care about computers... it's the land of the 'nerd'. And yes when someone tries to use a computer it seems like stupidity but I thinks it's Agnosticism as in people don't care
[15:06]<@bc_programming> yeah, and there are people saying "the computer is a tool" well, yeah, but unlike a tool, people don't learn how to use it, they just use muscle memory
[15:06]<@bc_programming> or just ask questions every time they need to do something
[15:06]<@bc_programming> "how do I copy a file"
[15:06]<@bc_programming> so you show them
[15:06]<@bc_programming> ten minutes later
[15:06]<@bc_programming> "I need to copy another file"
[15:07]<@bc_programming> or even better, when you have otherwise intelligent people who when sat in front of a computer suddenly have their brains turn to goo and forget left from right and basic shapes
[15:07]<Tux2> lol, yeah, one of the people was complaining that no one showed her the "help" section for a piece of web software we use... "IT'S A BUTTON IN THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THE SCREEN ON EVERY PAGE!!!!!!!!"
[15:07]<@bc_programming> "it's the triangle shaped icon" "a triangle has three sides, right?"
[15:07]<+Mulreay> I was trying to say that people don't see it as something that will effect there lives... even though it effects every day and has been for years
[15:07]<@bc_programming> Mulreay: yeah I know what you mean
[15:08]<@bc_programming> I just think it's silly because unless you are Amish, computers are going to affect your life these days
[15:08]<+Mulreay> yeah
[15:08]<@bc_programming> and in a way, knowing more about computers gives you some sense of control
[15:08]<+Mulreay> indeed
[15:09]<+Mulreay> We went from the undustrial age to the computer age quite quickly and it seems only a few of us noticed
[15:09]<+Mulreay> industrial*
[15:09]<@bc_programming> heh undustrial
[15:09]<@bc_programming> the age of undusting things
[15:09]<+Mulreay> yeah yeah
[15:10]<@bc_programming> it's coming man... and we better stock up on lemon pledge now
[15:10]<+Mulreay> heh
[15:11]<@bc_programming> one problem is that nowadays anybody can get things like pinnacle studio and flstudio and make music, even people who should be kept at arms length from them, like myself
[15:11]<@bc_programming> although, to be fair, this was the same thing said years ago when word processors became popular
[15:11]<+camerongray> What did I miss?
[15:12]<@bc_programming> mostly because everybody was using ransom or comic sans for their garage sale flyers
[15:12]<@bc_programming> cam: well we were talking about ponies and queen, then about how computers make people stupid, and now it would seem I've tried to change the discussion in the direction of font choices on garage sale flyers.
[15:13]<+Mulreay> I think the biggest problem is, people think that computers are something hard to understand.. and the last age was simple... it was the age of the mechanical engineer... that was our (unti lnow) biggest moment. Now it's something most struggle to understand
[15:14]<@bc_programming> yeah the problem isn't really that computers are hard to understand, but because people think they are hard to understand, it feels that way to them, if that makes sense
[15:14]<+camerongray> Yeh
[15:14]<+Mulreay> yeah it does
[15:14]<@bc_programming> and really it can be overwhelming if you try to take it all in at once.
[15:14]<@bc_programming> but, most of how computers work just build upon a few fundamental building blocks
[15:41]<+camerongray> Why don't people realise that the Alienware m18x is overpriced and should get a deskop
[15:41]<@bc_programming> because they are stupid
[15:41]<Tux2> lol...
[15:42]<+Mulreay> I fell into that trap nearly before speaking to you guys.. so yeah stupidity rules
[15:42]<+camerongray> lol
[15:43]<+camerongray> He's like ?3000 for an i7 and 2x 6950s
[15:43]<+camerongray> I'm like "Heat, Battery Life, Portability"
[15:44]<@bc_programming> desktops are cheaper for their power... laptops, you pay for having slightly lesser components mobilized, really
[15:44]<+camerongray> Yeh
[15:44]<+Mulreay> Technically it's not 'stupidity' it's simple lack of information that is available. I could inform you that poop smells like strawberries, without actual advice/experience why shouldn't it
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[15:45]<+Mulreay> wow sorry
[15:45]<@bc_programming> I was going to say that when you mentioned it before mulreay
[15:45]<@bc_programming> lol
[15:45]<+Mulreay> heh
[15:46]<@bc_programming> for laptops the trade-off has usually been the case keyboards are generally less tactile, certainly a bigger pain in the ass to replace, sometimes have goofy layouts, the touchpad/trackpoint isn't something you can just swap out, and sometimes their positioning makes typing a pain
[15:47]<Tux2> lol! I know what you mean!
[15:47]<@bc_programming> personally, I don't see what point there would be in having a "gaming" laptop, which is often what those alienware laptops are marketed as
[15:48]<@bc_programming> oh and why do laptops have bloody glossy finish on their screens now
[15:48]<+Mulreay> And as you have said the little alien eyes in the over used product... I could use led's elswhere
[15:49]<@bc_programming> yeah in alienware's case you are probably paying more for the brand than anything else
[15:50]<@bc_programming> the only true advantages to a laptop are, well, it's mobile, and you can use it for like an hour or two if there is a power outage
[15:51]<@bc_programming> oh and it's smaller, I guess, so less storage space when it get's obsoleted
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[15:51]<@bc_programming> there are probably a few other advantages but I can't think of any off-hand
[15:51]<Tux2> lol, yeah, exactly, that's why I use a laptop, It's mobile
[15:51]<Tux2> I have it at work, then take it home.
[15:52]<+Mulreay> me too
[15:52]<@bc_programming> I'm not even sure why I bought my laptop
[15:52]<@bc_programming> I certainly don't need it for mobility... mostly because I don't have space to setup a complete second computer :P
[15:52]<cameron_netbook> I only use mine at school
[15:52]<@bc_programming> also it was one of those impulse purchases I used to make a lot
[15:52]<+Mulreay> I will get my PC when I stop investing all my money in future businesses
[15:52]<Tux2> lol, *used* to make?
[15:53]<@bc_programming> tux2: i'd still make them but I can't afford to now :P
[15:53]<cameron_netbook> And the development meetings - The group who made unshorten.it
[15:53]<Tux2> ah....
[15:53]<cameron_netbook> I worked all summer last year for mine
[15:53]<cameron_netbook> Working again this year to upgrade desktop
[15:53]<Tux2> I think I've made like 3 impulse purchases ever, and they weren't really impulse purchases...
[15:54]<@bc_programming> at the time I think I just bought it from a single paycheck... I had shiteload of spare cash but no spare time to enjoy the crap I bought with it, lol
[15:54]<+Mulreay> And my future investment is 'hash browns and Fish fingers' tonight
[15:54]<cameron_netbook> lol
[15:54]<@bc_programming> Mulreay: is that the sole entry in your portfolio?
[15:54]<Tux2> lol, well, I need to get going... see you guys...
[15:54]<@bc_programming> k
[15:54]<+Mulreay> later
[15:55]<+Mulreay> I've not eaten in a day... no biggy
[15:55]<@bc_programming> I think I had chicken and baked potato yesterday
[15:56]<@bc_programming> does milk count as food
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[15:56]<+Mulreay> I bought food earlier and I'm quite ravenous
[15:56]<+Mulreay> I have some bread as well
[15:56]<@bc_programming> my bank account is overdrawn, lol
[15:56]<+Mulreay> Mine has ?14
[15:57]<@bc_programming> I have -1 dollars wee
[16:00]<+Mulreay> I paid all my bills... I get paid from the 'government' ?134 per every 2 weeks so ?67 pounds a week... I just paid ?50.99 for my broadband... ?30 For my rent (the government only pay ?250 a month for my rent that is ?280' and I paid ?20 for my credit card... ohh the fun
[16:01]<cameron_netbook> Ahh
[16:01]<@bc_programming> I think I owe Canada revenue agency several thousand dollars for my free healthcare
[16:01]<cameron_netbook> Once your business takes off...
[16:01]<@bc_programming> I tried to reason with them that paying for free healthcare doesn't make any sense
[16:01]<cameron_netbook> lol
[16:02]<+Mulreay> cameron_netbook yeah, hopefully
[16:02]<cameron_netbook> Not sure how much money I have
[16:02]<cameron_netbook> I think about #50 in the account that I can spend from
[16:02]<+Mulreay> From a manic-depressive though, there not doing bad
[16:02]<@bc_programming> holy crap, during this conversation I've nearly finished that HeadLong video idea...
[16:02]<cameron_netbook> But then I've got a job
[16:03]<cameron_netbook> And I can buy things!
[16:03]<@bc_programming> yeah that is a interesting shift from being pretty much dependent to having a fair amount to spend
[16:03]<cameron_netbook> Yeh
[16:04]<@bc_programming> I always spent too much
[16:04]<@bc_programming> well, more than I should have
[16:05]<cameron_netbook> I tend to spend alot
[16:05]<@bc_programming> now I can't spend to much since I don't have the money to spend, so it kind of works out
[16:06]<cameron_netbook> Like when I got paid last year - bought laptop, Zune HD and calculator
[16:06]<@bc_programming> I was going to get a TI-83 or something once
[16:06]<@bc_programming> but then I actually looked at it logical
[16:06]<@bc_programming> "why the hell do I need one" "I don't" "well that is that settled"
[16:06]<cameron_netbook> lol - We need them
[16:06]<@bc_programming> I could have used one... 10 years ago
[16:07]<cameron_netbook> Well, we can borrow the school's ones but can't use them in exams and they barely work
[16:07]<@bc_programming> I was able to borrow one from the school for the entire semester
[16:07]<cameron_netbook> Cool
[16:07]<@bc_programming> well that isn't true, I actually only had a scientific one for half the semester
[16:07]<cameron_netbook> Our school only supply TI-82s
[16:08]<@bc_programming> I think the one I borrowed was a ti-83+
[16:08]<@bc_programming> I wrote a 3-D graphing program in TI-BASIC on it, lol
[16:11]<cameron_netbook> lol
[16:13]<+Mulreay> OK need to go downstairs and tell my housemate that I need to keep the oven on
[16:14]<@bc_programming> ok good luck
[16:14]<@bc_programming> you can always cast a spell on him if necessary
[16:16]<cameron_netbook> lol
[16:16]<@bc_programming> oh right... that depends on his class
[16:16]<@bc_programming> he can't cast spells unless he's a mage or cleric
[16:17]<@bc_programming> or if he teaches the alphabet
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