Session Start: Thu Jun 09 00:00:00 2011 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[07:45]<@BC_Programming> sup dudes
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[07:57]<@jacky_away> the moon
[07:57]<@jacky_away> :)
[07:57]<@BC_Programming> touche
[07:58]<@jacky_away> har
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[07:58]<@jacky> what's new with you? ... anything?
[07:59]<@BC_Programming> not much
[07:59]<@jacky> aren't we just an interesting bunch....
[07:59]<@jacky> heh
[07:59]<@jacky> heard from Mulreay?
[07:59]<@jacky> how's his new computer coming...
[08:00]<@BC_Programming> haven't heard from him no
[08:00]<@jacky> darn
[08:00]<@jacky> at least THAT is something interesting....
[08:00]<@jacky> oh
[08:00]<@jacky> was there some confusion the other day, over how the "bad words" thing works?
[08:00]<@BC_Programming> I believe so
[08:01]<@jacky> any suggestions?
[08:01]<@BC_Programming> doesn't it work by simply detected < censored>?
[08:01]<@jacky> "it" being ChanbotIV? yes
[08:01]<@jacky> that is all it looks for
[08:01]<@BC_Programming> yeah, sorry :P
[08:01]<@jacky> np
[08:01]<@jacky> we CAN easily do it another way
[08:02]<@jacky> that is: disable the +G on this channel, then enter whatever words we deem inappropirate, into Chanbot
[08:02]<@BC_Programming> Mulreay seemed to think that it was Chanbot that was able to change people's text to "< censored>", and that it was in fact a word list in chanbot that determined what was censored, if I understood him correctly
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[08:02]<@BC_Programming> something about an "AP mode"?
[08:02]<@jacky> camerongray: Hello
[08:02]<+camerongray> Howdy
[08:02]<@jacky> AP = AllProtection = name of the script that Chanbot uses
[08:03]<@jacky> and "that it was in fact a word list in chanbot that determined what was censored" is accurate
[08:03]<@jacky> there is just one word in there now though
[08:03]<@jacky> and... you got it... it is *<censo red>*
[08:03]<@BC_Programming> yeah but what I meant, was that, if you add a word to that list, it doesn't start appearing as <censo red> when people say it- they just get a warning, right?
[08:04]<@jacky> chanbot cannot change what is said, true
[08:04]<@jacky> I was just re-thinking what I'd just said too
[08:04]<@jacky> the +G *can* change what is said, and changes it to <cen sored>
[08:04]<@BC_Programming> yeah, and then chanbotIV detects that and warns
[08:05]<@jacky> exactly
[08:05]<@jacky> chanbot detects what it is told to detect, and right now, it detects only one bad word
[08:05]<@jacky> yes, we can add words, change words, do whatever
[08:05]<@BC_Programming> I was trying to tell Mulreay that the word g ay is part of Mibbit's filter, not chanbot's
[08:05]<@jacky> and it does not just warn. it is warn, kick, ban if a "bad" word is 3 times within xx amount of time
[08:06]<@BC_Programming> well, yeah, that's what I meant :P
[08:06]<@jacky> you are correct. I believe I remember that g ay tripped Mibbit's censor in the past
[08:06]<@jacky> g ay is not being detected by chanbot
[08:06]<@jacky> let me check
[08:06]<@jacky> brb
[08:06]<@jacky> two lists
[08:07]<@jacky> first:
[08:07]<@jacky> 
[08:07]<@jacky> <jacky> .ap:list bwords global
[08:07]<@jacky> <chanbotIV> AP: global bwords list is empty.
[08:07]<@jacky> 
[08:07]<@jacky> <jacky> .ap:list bwords #glitchpc
[08:07]<@jacky> <chanbotIV> AP: #glitchpc bwords list: *<censored>*
[08:07]<@jacky> 
[08:07]<@jacky> I was right... chanbot is watching for one word, only
[08:07]<@jacky> 
[08:08]<@jacky> besides, g ay was being changed to <cen sored> , right? that means it HAS to be done at the irc server, ergo the +G is doing it
[08:08]<@jacky> 
[08:09]<@jacky> well... all I care about is if it is ok, or if it is a pain in the ass
[08:09]<@jacky> if it is a pain in the ass, we'll tune on it some
[08:09]<@jacky> :)
[08:09]<@jacky> let me know
[08:09]<@BC_Programming> I don't personally have a problem with it the way it is
[08:09]<@jacky> one down
[08:09]<@jacky> heh
[08:09]<@jacky> tnx
[08:10]<@jacky> !seen glitchpc
[08:11]<@jacky> how about that
[08:11]<@BC_Programming> heh
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[09:02]<+camerongray> This is getting to be a bit annoying now: Steve Johnson
[09:02]<+camerongray> Sarcasm enabled: I'd like to thank all of my former Glitch PC members for sticking by me through the tough times and coming back to show your support.
[09:02]<+camerongray> Sarcasm disabled: No...seriously! ;-)
[09:03]<+camerongray> And this one:
[09:03]<+camerongray> Steve Johnson
[09:03]<+camerongray> I have 9 friends! Woo-hoo! Yup...that seems about right. Wait...I may have been exaggerating...
[09:03]<+camerongray> about an hour ago ? Like ?
[09:04]<@BC_Programming> heh
[09:04]<@jacky> where is this?
[09:04]<+camerongray> Facebook
[09:04]<@BC_Programming> good thing I'm not on facebook
[09:04]<@jacky> oh
[09:04]<@jacky> ok
[09:04]<@BC_Programming> my response would have simply been "go feck yourself"
[09:04]<+camerongray> I'm his only friend from the old site so he is basically talking to me
[09:04]<+camerongray> Well, talking at me :P
[09:04]<@BC_Programming> haha
[09:05]<+camerongray> Mulreay .etc left him
[09:05]<@BC_Programming> not really, apparently GPC removed him when he didn't get a joke or something
[09:06]<+camerongray> Nah - Mulreay made a joke and Steve took offence and started complaining so Mulreay removed him
[09:06]<@BC_Programming> oh from what Graham told me I thought it was the other way around
[09:07]<+camerongray> Ahh - Might be, I forget things
[09:07]<@BC_Programming> "<+Mulreay> After making that comment on facebook.... Steve has banned me from Glitchpcforums"
[09:07]<+camerongray> And I got this directly from Steve over chat: Steve Johnson
[09:07]<+camerongray> You going to register on the new site?
[09:07]<@BC_Programming> really? you have to ask?
[09:08]<+camerongray> lol
[09:08]<+camerongray> With every attempt to make me register, I become less likely to register
[09:08]<@BC_Programming> heh I would have responded, "Why should I?"
[09:09]<@BC_Programming> see what he comes up with
[09:09]<+camerongray> I've gone from 1% to -99.9% - Don't know what a negative percentage is but anyway
[09:09]<+camerongray> yeh
[09:09]<+camerongray> Even Calum who has been there since the very start hasn't signed up
[09:13]<+camerongray> hmm, Need to learn Pascal :(
[09:13]<@BC_Programming> why
[09:13]<@jacky> wow.. that's old, isn't it?
[09:13]<+camerongray> Yep - Doing Advanced Higher Computing at another school since mine doesn't offer it, and they use Pascal whereas my school uses VB
[09:14]<@BC_Programming> woah woah
[09:14]<@jacky> I'd expect C or C+
[09:14]<@jacky> interesting
[09:14]<@BC_Programming> "Advanced Higher Computing" class being taught in 2011 uses Pascal, a language that was popular in the 70's?
[09:14]<+camerongray> Yeh - They use Macs so can't use VB and can't afford anything not free
[09:15]<@jacky> BC_Programming: isn't gcc the free compiler with linux?
[09:15]<@jacky> for C ?
[09:15]<@BC_Programming> jacky: HAHA! I was just going to say that
[09:15]<@jacky> great minds...
[09:15]<+camerongray> Yeh :P
[09:15]<@jacky> but, I suppose... if they just want to exercise the minds... teach principles, etc.... there is nothing wrong iwth Pascal
[09:15]<@jacky> eh?
[09:15]<+camerongray> At least they have computers that are actually usable unlike my school
[09:16]<@BC_Programming> Pascal is free now, though? and is it really Pascal or is it Delphi
[09:16]<@jacky> what is wrong with the ones at your school?
[09:16]<@BC_Programming> my guess would be ill maintained
[09:16]<@jacky> BC_Programming: good point
[09:16]<+camerongray> One period it took 30mins for them to log on
[09:16]<+camerongray> Averages about 15mins
[09:16]<@jacky> that's silly.... in a computer class, one would EXPECT the basics to work right, wouldn't one?
[09:16]<+camerongray> lol
[09:16]<@jacky> that is not a function of money... is it?
[09:17]<+camerongray> They are useless - The faceplate on the one I use has a habit of falling off for no reason
[09:17]<@jacky> that won't hurt anything
[09:17]<+camerongray> And the monitors, yes monitors, randomly get stuck in standby mode and need to be unplugged
[09:18]<+camerongray> They struggle with more than one thing open and try 2 tabs - Well :P
[09:18]<@jacky> sounds more like Ethiopia, than Scotland
[09:18]<@jacky> whew.....
[09:18]<@BC_Programming> like I said, poorly maintained. More to do with incompetent IT staff then anything fund-related I would imagine
[09:19]<+camerongray> lol
[09:19]<+camerongray> Yeh
[09:19]<+camerongray> And the server (Who's rack is in the cleaner cupboard I will add) always goes down
[09:19]<@BC_Programming> and considering he has teachers who delete code because "they don't understand it" and then complain when his program doesn't work, I'l not surprised...
[09:19]<@jacky> from what camerongray has said, a lot of it I agree with BC_Programming on
[09:19]<+camerongray> Yeh - One of the teachers spends most of the time turning PCs off to 'save the environment'
[09:20]<@jacky> the same pcs that take 15 to 30 min to get going again?
[09:20]<@jacky> heh
[09:20]<+camerongray> yep
[09:20]<@BC_Programming> I bet she leaves the lights on too
[09:20]<+camerongray> jacky: 15 - 30 to log on, another 10 to boot up
[09:20]<@jacky> I bet you are surrounded by a bunch of liberal left wing nut cases.... heehehehe
[09:20]<+camerongray> He makes you turn it off at the end of class, even though there is a class waiting at the door to come in
[09:20]<@BC_Programming> what a douche
[09:21]<+camerongray> lol
[09:21]<@jacky> when asked why he does that, what is his response?
[09:21]<+camerongray> A big lecture about how much electricity it uses
[09:21]<@jacky> and when asked to compare that to the waste of time for students trying to learn, what does he say to that?'
[09:22]<+camerongray> lol - Need to check that
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[09:22]<@jacky> sure... I would
[09:22]<@jacky> do you pay to go to this school?
[09:22]<+camerongray> Nope :P
[09:22]<@jacky> in other words, who pays him?
[09:22]<+camerongray> The council
[09:22]<@jacky> what council?
[09:22]<+camerongray> Edinburgh City Council
[09:22]<@jacky> where do they get the money to pay him?
[09:22]<@BC_Programming> I mean, ok, the environment is something that needs to be respected, right, but turning off computers isn't going to save any endangered species or bring back the dodo bird or something, all it does is give a few left wing nutcases a fuzzy warm feeling. If somebody wants to "save the environment" they should go out and do something like pick up trash, not complain that computers- which are
[09:22]<@BC_Programming> thousands of times more efficient then lightbulbs as far as power use, should be shut off
[09:22]<@jacky> from taxes?
[09:23]<+camerongray> Yep
[09:23]<+camerongray> And he has a fit when you turn it off by pressing the power button, you know when you single press it to start the shut down procedure - Thinks it will damage it
[09:23]<@jacky> then, you pay him. He is wasting your time
[09:23]<+camerongray> I've told him that the only risk is HOLDING the button, pressing it is fine
[09:23]<@jacky> isn't that a function of the mb though?
[09:23]<@jacky> why press it at all?
[09:24]<@jacky> why not use the software?
[09:24]<@BC_Programming> wow the more I hear about cam's school IT situation the more grateful I am that the school I went to actually had staff who knew what they were doing
[09:24]<+camerongray> It's quicker to hit the button when he is telling you to walk round the room to turn each one off
[09:24]<@BC_Programming> and nowadays pressing the button does the same thing as using the OS shutdown
[09:25]<+camerongray> The other computing teacher wants to kill him - He randomly opens the door and if there are too many lights on, he will turn them off
[09:25]<@jacky> shut the door on his fingers
[09:25]<@BC_Programming> what would be icing on the cake would be if he drives an SUV
[09:25]<@jacky> that's why God invented pain
[09:25]<@jacky> it is a great teacher
[09:26]<+camerongray> Nah, he gets the bus
[09:26]<+camerongray> Usually comes on, sees me then as I try to hide yells "CAMMYYYYYYY!"
[09:26]<@jacky> so YOU need an suv then, huh?
[09:27]<@jacky> heh
[09:27]<@BC_Programming> HAHA
[09:27]<+camerongray> Yeh
[09:27]<@BC_Programming> actually I think I had a teacher like that, typing class if I recall
[09:28]<@BC_Programming> pretty much same story, shut all sorts of stuff off
[09:28]<@BC_Programming> I asked "why" and of course she said "because it uses electricity"
[09:28]<+camerongray> I usually tell him that my server is running while we speak
[09:28]<@BC_Programming> of course I had the sheer gall to point out that our power doesn't come from fossil fuels but rather hydroelectric dams
[09:28]<+camerongray> Then demonstrate by accessing it
[09:28]<@jacky> I find it interesting, that these types of people, feel that it is perfectly OK for them to impose THEIR ideas of what is "good" on others, yet if others feel that, for example - driving an SUV is ok - , then THOSE peoples ideas of "good" are not ok.
[09:28]<+camerongray> That make him almost cry
[09:29]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: haha
[09:29]<@BC_Programming> my uptime is at 12 days
[09:29]<@BC_Programming> laptop is sitting at like a month
[09:29]<@jacky> this mentality ... is what makes these people dangerous
[09:29]<+camerongray> I bet he is the reason why the server always goes down
[09:30]<@BC_Programming> he sounds like he would be awesome as the brunt of "anonymous" practical jokes
[09:30]<+camerongray> You know, the server that has a 120gb hard drive for over 2000 pupils
[09:30]<@jacky> depends
[09:30]<@jacky> on what they are storing
[09:30]<@jacky> that's a lot of text.....
[09:30]<@jacky> :)
[09:31]<@BC_Programming> one practical joke would be to get one of those colour changing buttons, when it's cold, it says something pro-left, like "save the whales" or something
[09:31]<+camerongray> lol
[09:31]<@BC_Programming> but when it warms up it says something else...
[09:31]<+camerongray> It's to store all our work including programming and videos
[09:31]<@BC_Programming> like say, I *heart* nazism or something
[09:31]<+camerongray> We get 50mb each
[09:31]<+camerongray> Yes - mb
[09:32]<@BC_Programming> put in in the freezer, give it to him when it's cold, then he's all "Oh yeah I'm a proper enviro-nut now" and then a few hours later it expresses his approval of nazism
[09:32]<+camerongray> lol
[09:32]<+camerongray> I wonder how long it will take to persuade them to get WiFi in the common room
[09:32]<+camerongray> Or will the router use too much electricity
[09:32]<@BC_Programming> at my school we only got a 15MB quota
[09:33]<+camerongray> But that was when that was enough
[09:33]<@BC_Programming> well the common people did
[09:33]<@BC_Programming> I got 100MB
[09:33]<+camerongray> lol
[09:34]<@BC_Programming> as for pascal, I found this http://www.freepascal.org/
[09:34]<+camerongray> At the school I do AH computing we still get 50mb (Saves to the server at my school) but we can save into our own folders on the local machine
[09:34]<+camerongray> Yeh - Downloading it now :P
[09:34]<@jacky> BC_Programming: is it bigger than 50MB ? heheeheh
[09:34]<+camerongray> We all use flash drives
[09:37]<+camerongray> Which then causes the network to constantly get infected since they use McAfee which in turn slows down the network
[09:37]<@BC_Programming> 38.5MB, heh
[09:37]<@BC_Programming> McAfee... yeah that's not a product I would ever trust, considering their "relationship" with Steve Gibson
[09:37]<@jacky> gibson
[09:37]<@jacky> why do I remember that name?
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[09:37]<+camerongray> Hey Craig2
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[09:37]<@jacky> Craig2: Hello
[09:39]<@BC_Programming> jacky: Steve Gibson is the fruitcake behind "spinrite"
[09:39]<@jacky> that was a disk fix thing
[09:39]<@jacky> right?
[09:39]<@jacky> was it a scam?
[09:39]<@BC_Programming> yeah pretty much
[09:40]<@jacky> ok
[09:40]<@BC_Programming> http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/steve-gibson-is-a-fraud/ for the curious, very good read
[09:41]<@jacky> somebody must have recently posted that.... it seems familiar
[09:41]<@BC_Programming> probably me
[09:42]<@jacky> oh
[09:42]<@jacky> then it doesn't count
[09:42]<@jacky> <eg>
[09:42]<@BC_Programming> well I mean before :P
[09:42]<@jacky> heh
[09:56]<@BC_Programming> well this is interesting
[09:56]<@BC_Programming> I went to debug baseblock, and visual studio crashed
[09:56]<@BC_Programming> so I was all "FINE be that way"
[09:56]<@BC_Programming> and then baseblock started even though it was now detached from Visual studio
[09:56]<@jacky> you should be using Pascal, and grepping it
[09:57]<@BC_Programming> heehee
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[10:14]<+camerongray> lol
[10:14]<+camerongray> I really should re-install my ThinkPad
[10:14]<+camerongray> It's running really slow for some reason
[10:15]<@BC_Programming> hi Tux2
[10:17]<Tux2> Hi BC_Programming
[10:17]<+camerongray> Time to copy all my data off - Fun Fun Fun!
[10:19]<+camerongray> I wish the windows 7 disks were like the Vista ones where you could install any version - I have a Home Premium DVD but the ThinkPad has a Pro licence so I'll need to use the recovery disc and remove all the junk
[10:19]<Tux2> :( I have a windows 7 disk with anytime upgrade.
[10:19]<Tux2> That would work...
[10:20]<@BC_Programming> Tux2: MC server seems really laggy btw
[10:21]<Tux2> Hmm... restarting... cpu usage was at 50%...
[10:22]<Tux2> and it was using 95% of the memory allocated to it..
[10:23]<Tux2> BC_Programming, camerongray it should be better now
[10:23]<@BC_Programming> thx
[10:23]<@BC_Programming> wonder what caused it
[10:25]<+camerongray> What about all the automatic harvesters
[10:25]<+camerongray> I run mine with a timer - Many don't
[10:25]<@BC_Programming> mines on a switch
[10:25]<@BC_Programming> but it doesn't work properly anyway so I end up chopping the trees down myself half the time
[10:26]<Tux2> I'll look into that...
[10:27]<@BC_Programming> for me it's because I can't be bothered to look up how to use the autoharvesting stuff properly
[10:27]<Tux2> lol, I mean the server lag...
[10:27]<Tux2> I also turned on auto restarts every 12 hours if no one is on.
[10:28]<@BC_Programming> cool
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[10:52]<+camerongray> grr - Diamond pick is about to break
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[10:57]<@jacky> be back later
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[11:03]<Tux2> camerongray, just repair it. ;)
[11:04]<+camerongray> lol - Not enough skill :(
[11:05]<@BC_Programming> back to digging
[11:05]<+camerongray> lol - What for?
[11:05]<@BC_Programming> giant mushroom farm
[11:05]<+camerongray> Ahh
[11:05]<+camerongray> I went to the desert world to get sand - That was fun
[11:06]<+camerongray> I had 2 stacks then died :P
[11:06]<@BC_Programming> that reminds me, tux2, I wasn't able to place/remove blocks in the nether
[11:06]<@BC_Programming> although it actually made things interesting
[11:07]<@BC_Programming> since I left the portal without realizing it and fell down to a isolated area
[11:07]<@BC_Programming> then tried to bridge across the lava... which is when I realized my predicament got a tad more complicated
[11:07]<@BC_Programming> so I had to improvise
[11:07]<@BC_Programming> I glitched my way up vertical walls back to the portal
[11:08]<@BC_Programming> harder than it sounds, heh
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[11:42]<Tux2> lol...
[11:42]<Tux2> did you get kicked a couple times for flying?
[11:43]<@BC_Programming> no, wasn't "in the air" long enough
[11:43]<Tux2> ah
[11:43]<Tux2> ;)
[11:43]<Tux2> so, which nether?
[11:43]<@BC_Programming> basically what I did, was I would put a block down, and before it dissapeared, jump off it, then it would dissapear but I'd be able to place a block on the wall
[11:43]<@BC_Programming> the nether you go to with a portal
[11:44]<@BC_Programming> the "global" nether it would seem
[11:44]<Tux2> got it... that would be a problem with multiverse. ;) Haven't added build permission yet. :d
[11:44]<@BC_Programming> yeah I thought so, it did pose an interesting challenge though
[11:44]<Tux2> :)
[11:45]<Tux2> I can't really do that block place thing at my house because of the almost 0 lag...
[11:46]<@BC_Programming> heehee
[11:47]<Tux2> Okay, fixed. Try now. :D
[11:47]<@BC_Programming> ok, will take a romp to the nether
[11:48]<@BC_Programming> yep, works now
[11:51]<Tux2> cool
[11:57]<@BC_Programming> haha
[11:57]<Tux2> what?
[11:57]<@BC_Programming> was diggin my giant cavern out... fell into a hole deep enough to take 5 hearts damage full of mobs and enemies
[11:58]<Tux2> ack!
[11:58]<@BC_Programming> thankfully a creeper decided to explode which killed everybody bit me
[11:58]<@BC_Programming> but me*
[11:58]<Tux2> :D
[11:58]<Tux2> Saved by a creeper. ;)
[12:06]<+camerongray> grr - Windows has restored onto the D: drive
[12:07]<@BC_Programming> that was no doubt not what you intended
[12:07]<+camerongray> lol
[12:07]<+camerongray> Did you get the smilie instead of D:?
[12:08]<@BC_Programming> no, I got D drive with the colon
[12:09]<+camerongray> Ahh - I got a frowning smilie
[12:09]<Tux2> lol...
[12:09]<Tux2> camerongray, did you have a zip drive in there?
[12:10]<+camerongray> Nope
[12:10]<Tux2> card reader?
[12:10]<+camerongray> It has one, nothing in it
[12:10]<+camerongray> I just used the Lenovo recovery boot DVD and told it to "Restore the C: partition"
[12:10]<@BC_Programming> it must have misunderstood you
[12:10]<+camerongray> lol
[12:10]<Tux2> well, you have to unplug the card reader, otherwise it will do it... (ask me how I know...)
[12:11]<+camerongray> lol - How do you know?
[12:11]<Tux2> I did it..
[12:11]<@BC_Programming> recovery stuff feels too... automatic, to me
[12:11]<+camerongray> hahaha
[12:11]<Tux2> except the c drive ended up being the "K:" drive
[12:11]<+camerongray> Yeh - Never came with any Windows DVDs
[12:11]<@BC_Programming> K: for kinky
[12:11]<+camerongray> lol
[12:12]<+camerongray> Ahh well, I use Ubuntu on it mainly so no big deal
[12:12]<Tux2> lol...
[12:13]<+camerongray> I only use Windows at work - So I sort of need it
[12:14]<@BC_Programming> I think I said this before, but WTF is going on with Windows 8
[12:14]<Tux2> Dunno, I haven't touched it...
[12:14]<@BC_Programming> I mean seriously that demo was just so silly
[12:14]<Tux2> I've been looking at the linux stuff... basically I don't even have windows 7 on this computer any more
[12:15]<@BC_Programming> basically, same deal as Altralucid was talking about in that video about unity
[12:15]<@BC_Programming> IE: the OS basically acts like a freaking cell phone OS
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[12:15]<+camerongray> Yeh
[12:16]<@BC_Programming> at the same time I suspect maybe that won't be the default setup, but more akin to XP's "Media center" thing
[12:16]<+camerongray> They show all sorts of touch screen stuff - What about people who use a mouse :P
[12:16]<@BC_Programming> oh heh they said "it works just as well with the mouse"
[12:16]<@BC_Programming> well then use the mouse
[12:17]<Tux2> WE HAVE TO MAKE EVERYTHING HUGE FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO USE A TOUCH SCREEN. FORGET ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE WHO USE A MOUSE!!!!
[12:17]<@BC_Programming> including text it would seem
[12:17]<@BC_Programming> heh
[12:18]<@BC_Programming> yeah wasn't the entire idea of icons originally to try to express a concept using a smaller space- like say 32x32 pixels?
[12:19]<Tux2> Yeah, exactly, touch screens are nice, a touch screen interface is nice, just don't make THE DEFAULT SKIN a stupid cell phone design....
[12:20]<AltraLucid> make it a switchable mode,
[12:20]<@BC_Programming> I'm kind of thinking maybe they won't; it seems a bit drastic, especially after having the taskbar for 26 years
[12:20]<@BC_Programming> sorry 16 years
[12:20]<Tux2> lol, I was going to correct you...
[12:20]<@BC_Programming> got an extra ten in there somehow
[12:20]<Tux2> the start button has only been around since windows 95
[12:20]<Tux2> ;)
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[12:26]<Tux2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92QfWOw88I <----- That left a very bad taste in my mouth...
[12:26]<@BC_Programming> yeah that's the one I saw too
[12:26]<AltraLucid> i knew it, apps are taking over
[12:26]<AltraLucid> apps apps apps apps apps apps apps apps apps
[12:27]<@BC_Programming> I'm not sure, I don't think what they are showcasing will be the default setup... at least I sure hope not
[12:27]<Tux2> It's not that I am against it, it would be great on a tablet, but what if I want 5 windows open...
[12:27]<Tux2> well BC_Programming, they said "the first thing that you will see when you log onto your computer"
[12:27]<@BC_Programming> oh
[12:28]<AltraLucid> They need mods, touch mode and normal mode
[12:28]<@BC_Programming> they are basically downgrading it so you can't actually have windows... I mean, the OS is called "Windows" but you can't actually have windows, that's totally wrong there
[12:28]<AltraLucid> modes*
[12:28]<@BC_Programming> well you can get to the normal desktop...
[12:28]<@BC_Programming> no doubt they will call it "legacy"
[12:28]<Tux2> Yeah...
[12:28]<@BC_Programming> because god forbid somebody want to interact with their computer as a computer rather than a cellphone
[12:29]<Tux2> I want to be able to move a mouse and click a million icons, rather than put it on the side of the screen and drag the mouse all the way across the screen just to get to the other pane
[12:30]<@BC_Programming> The one time I tried to use a cellphone interface I nearly through the bloody thing at the wall
[12:30]<@BC_Programming> felt so... artificially limited
[12:31]<Tux2> Yeah... well, small screen = compromises
[12:31]<Tux2> It doesn't make sense on an HD digital display.
[12:31]<@BC_Programming> exactly
[12:31]<@BC_Programming> I like the argument that people will be "more familiar" with cellphones
[12:32]<Tux2> :P
[12:32]<@BC_Programming> you know forgetting people who don't have one, or the fact that almost everybody with a cellphone uses a computer to manage some of the data on the cellphone anyway
[12:32]<Tux2> let's start a petition to microsoft... doubt they will listen though...
[12:33]<Tux2> When everyone stays on windows 7 and XP, or they all switch to legacy mode, M$ will get the hint...
[12:33]<@BC_Programming> I'm not sure though, it's still really early dev
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[12:33]<Tux2> Yeah
[12:33]<AltraLucid> windows 7 came out not to long ago anyway,
[12:34]<@BC_Programming> they've had some crazy features in early builds like that that got stripped out entirely... heck the early versions of windows 95 had a desktop search thingie
[12:34]<Tux2> lol... I know
[12:34]<@BC_Programming> they got removed, because at some point, somebody stopped and said- "hey guys, we're all stupid"
[12:35]<AltraLucid> ok tux, lets go to lunch and micro center, get parts to build a robot to attack MS
[12:35]<Tux2> :S
[12:42]<Tux2> brb
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[13:16]<@BC_Programming> haha... my mushroom farm is awesome now
[13:16]<@BC_Programming> doesn't have mushrooms yet tho
[13:17]<Tux2> lol...
[13:17]<@BC_Programming> added pixel art to the back wall
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[15:22]<+camerongray> Tux2: Just to say that 1.6 seems to have burned down foorganders's hotel - You might want to restore it
[15:23]<Tux2> oops... okay, I'll take care of it...
[15:23]<+camerongray> lol
[15:25]<+camerongray> Wow - The tower that I am finishing for Ksam is going to need so much glass!
[15:25]<+camerongray> I keep dying trying to get sand in the desert world
[15:26]<@BC_Programming> how do you keep dying...
[15:26]<+camerongray> Creepers
[15:26]<+camerongray> Zombies
[15:26]<+camerongray> Spiders
[15:26]<+camerongray> Skeletons
[15:26]<+camerongray> Falling
[15:26]<@BC_Programming> you might want to try during the day
[15:27]<+camerongray> I do but then I get lost
[15:27]<+camerongray> :P
[15:27]<@BC_Programming> you seem to have a lot of problems
[15:27]<+camerongray> I wish sandstone would make sand - Would be epic
[15:28]<@BC_Programming> minecraft classic is awful
[15:29]<+camerongray> lol
[15:29]<+camerongray> It is
[15:30]<+camerongray> Is it possible to make a recipe that does that?
[15:30]<@BC_Programming> yes
[15:30]<+camerongray> 1 sandstone = 3/4 sand
[15:31]<+camerongray> What do you think of it?
[15:34]<@BC_Programming> https://github.com/BCProgramming/BC-s-Additional-Craftables
[15:34]<@BC_Programming> added
[15:34]<+camerongray> Woo - Thanks
[15:34]<@BC_Programming> sandstone around the outside with a block of stone in the middle
[15:35]<@BC_Programming> the stone is to pulverize the sandstone :P
[15:35]<+camerongray> Oh - I was thinking more like you would do with gold/iron/diamond blocks
[15:35]<+camerongray> 1 block = x amount sand
[15:35]<@BC_Programming> yeah I know, but that is too easy
[15:35]<+camerongray> Aww
[15:36]<+camerongray> But I need lots of sand
[15:36]<@BC_Programming> sandstone, IRL has to be smashed up of you want to recreate sand
[15:36]<+camerongray> You could drop it
[15:36]<+camerongray> Or stand on i
[15:36]<+camerongray> it*
[15:36]<@BC_Programming> besides, that mod isn't on tux's server anyways
[15:36]<+camerongray> What about 1 ss and one stone makes 4
[15:36]<+camerongray> Oh - Well then :P
[15:36]<@BC_Programming> the recipe I used makes 6 btw
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[15:37]<+camerongray> That;s okay then :P
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[15:38]<+camerongray> hey pottsi
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[15:41]<+pottsi> hey Craig2
[15:41]<+pottsi> oops
[15:41]<+Craig2> wth?
[15:41]<+Craig2> ...
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[18:48]<Tux2> Updating to iconomy 5 on my server finally. :) All the plugins I use have been updated to support it. :D
[18:59]<@BC_Programming> cool
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