Session Start: Thu May 05 00:00:00 2011 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[09:02]<+camerongray> http://glitchpc.freesmfhosting.com/index.php - Why?
[09:03]<Serpent> captcha?
[09:03]<@BC_Programming> rofl
[09:03]<@BC_Programming> I guess "Free" in free computer help takes on a dual meaning
[09:04]<+camerongray> What's the point of that? - Lets close the VB one on paid hosting and make an SMF one on a free host
[09:04]<@BC_Programming> I really don't know
[09:04]<+camerongray> lol
[09:04]<+camerongray> I really should do my own - always wanted one
[09:04]<@BC_Programming> I thought you had a site
[09:04]<@BC_Programming> camerongray.me I think
[09:04]<+camerongray> Yeh
[09:05]<@BC_Programming> or do you mean a forum
[09:05]<+camerongray> But I'm meaning a free computer help one
[09:05]<@BC_Programming> ahhh
[09:06]<@BC_Programming> heh, graham posted on my forum almost a week ago and I didn't even notice, lol
[09:07]<+camerongray> lol
[09:08]<+camerongray> The thing is, I don't want to upset Steve and Calum if I go off and make my own
[09:08]<@BC_Programming> well I really don't think Calum would mind
[09:08]<+camerongray> yeh
[09:08]<@BC_Programming> And Steve, well... I dunno
[09:09]<+camerongray> lol
[09:10]<@BC_Programming> I'm not even sure what he's trying to accomplish now, at first I thought maybe he was out to help people, now it seems he wants to be the admin of a semi-popular site- but who doesn't, really
[09:10]<@BC_Programming> at first being saviour-pc, which it turned out was like the third iteration of the site
[09:12]<+camerongray> Yeh, why give up on one site, then remake it on another host?
[09:12]<@BC_Programming> hte mind boggles
[09:12]<@BC_Programming> the mind boggles*
[09:12]<@BC_Programming> I mean my web pages don't change super often but they are always in the same place, lol
[09:13]<@BC_Programming> that reminds me I think I ought to remove the glitchPC link
[09:13]<+camerongray> lol
[09:14]<+camerongray> I will try my own
[09:14]<+camerongray> Names?
[09:14]<@BC_Programming> no idea
[09:15]<@BC_Programming> I just discovered that I actually don't have a way to delete entries from my DB
[09:15]<@BC_Programming> so now I get to add that in
[09:15]<+camerongray> lol
[09:16]<+camerongray> I really need a name :P
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[09:20]<@BC_Programming> I think I might backup my database before testing the deletion routine
[09:20]<+camerongray> lol, that would be a good idea :P
[09:22]<+camerongray> g2g - dentist :(
[09:22]<+camerongray> But I still need a name :P
[09:22]<+camerongray> Then i'll get to work on it
[09:22]<@jacky> Hello
[09:22]<+camerongray> Hey jacky
[09:22]<@jacky> what's glitch done now?
[09:23]<@jacky> started yet another new site/forum?
[09:23]<+camerongray> yepper
[09:23]<+camerongray> g2g - will be back soon
[09:23]<+camerongray> BC will fill you in
[09:23]<@jacky> camerongray: ok
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[09:23]<@jacky> I think I got part of the story, in that he and Calum had one, that Calum was paying for
[09:24]<@jacky> is that correct?
[09:25]<@BC_Programming> as far as I know, yes
[09:25]<@jacky> amazing...
[09:25]<@jacky> what else can one say...
[09:26]<@jacky> BC_Programming: (change of topic) someday, when you have some time... I need some help with two different things
[09:26]<@jacky> no rush
[09:26]<@BC_Programming> sure
[09:26]<@BC_Programming> I have some time now if you do
[09:27]<@jacky> ok... I don't have my sh*t together
[09:27]<@jacky> give me a couple min
[09:27]<@jacky> heh
[09:27]<@BC_Programming> k
[09:29]<@jacky> trying to wind up another conversation, too
[09:29]<@jacky> one is:
[09:29]<@jacky> I need something... I think the term is redirection service
[09:29]<@jacky> where one can hide a url
[09:29]<@BC_Programming> like tinyurl?
[09:29]<@jacky> and give out another url, that redirects to the first one, and the people using it never see the real url
[09:29]<@jacky> it doesn't hide the real url
[09:29]<@jacky> I found: http://www.co.cc/
[09:30]<@jacky> but can't get it to work
[09:30]<@jacky> something about being "blocked"
[09:30]<@jacky> and now... the damn thing won't even let me delete the entry I made!
[09:30]<@jacky> heheeheh
[09:30]<@jacky> anyway
[09:30]<@jacky> you came up with tinyurl right off the bat
[09:30]<@jacky> that's the first one I thought of too
[09:30]<@jacky> way back when
[09:30]<@jacky> if you don't have anything else, right at the moment... ok
[09:31]<@jacky> just keep it in your head
[09:31]<@jacky> someday, it might come to you
[09:31]<@jacky> I need free , no ads, and masked or hidden or whatever they call it... of the real url
[09:32]<@BC_Programming> hmm
[09:33]<@BC_Programming> well to my understanding with a DNS like that you could only have it redirect to one other url... I mean, while keeping it hidden, I think
[09:33]<@jacky> right
[09:33]<@jacky> http://storm.sh3lls.net/~alliemp2/science-fiction.html
[09:33]<@jacky> that goes with a trivia channel, wehre I help with the various bots
[09:33]<@jacky> the owner would like to NOT show the exact real url
[09:34]<@BC_Programming> ahh, and you don't want people to be able to see the url ok
[09:34]<@jacky> but, it would be nice to publicize a link, so users could view it
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[09:34]<@jacky> uhhh... I thought is what I said
[09:34]<@jacky> heheehehehe
[09:34]<@BC_Programming> well I <could> create a subdomain on my site and redirect it there, I think
[09:34]<@jacky> huh?
[09:34]<@jacky> pottsi: Hello
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[09:34]<@BC_Programming> something like www.blah.bc-programming.com
[09:35]<@jacky> lost me
[09:35]<@jacky> how would that help with what I want/need?
[09:35]<@BC_Programming> the same way the .co.cc thing would have, had it not been blocked, I think
[09:35]<@BC_Programming> I'm not sure of the specifics though, I will test some things
[09:35]<@jacky> oh... and give out the url that you create?
[09:35]<@BC_Programming> yeah
[09:35]<@jacky> well... I need ... I forget... two or three of 'em
[09:35]<@jacky> and I wouldn't want to bug you with that
[09:36]<@jacky> especially if we change or something
[09:36]<@BC_Programming> hmm, ok, will do some googles :P
[09:36]<@jacky> and I suspect the real trick, is to be able to prevent the real url from appearing in the users browswer
[09:36]<@jacky> but... I really dont' know
[09:36]<@jacky> ok... so nothing comes righ to your mind?
[09:36]<@jacky> np
[09:37]<@jacky> I've put the idea in your head
[09:37]<@jacky> good enough for now
[09:37]<@jacky> :)
[09:37]<@jacky> you'll come through...
[09:37]<@jacky> hehehe
[09:37]<@jacky> ready for other question now?
[09:38]<@BC_Programming> sure
[09:38]<@jacky> first: are you pretty good with bash scripting?
[09:38]<@jacky> I think you are... this is a bash script question
[09:38]<@BC_Programming> well... no not really, but I'll try
[09:38]<@jacky> ok.. fair 'nuff
[09:38]<@jacky> have logs accumulating
[09:38]<@jacky> eggdrop
[09:39]<@jacky> want to "roll off" one daily
[09:39]<@jacky> keeping one month's worth
[09:39]<@jacky> I did it.. with a bash script but, there is a loophole
[09:39]<@jacky> can't remember exactly the conditions
[09:40]<@jacky> but something like, when this month is 31 days, it doesn't get the last day of last month properly, to be able to delete a log file
[09:40]<@jacky> I'd have to pastebin the script, so you could see it, and understand my train of thought
[09:40]<@jacky> want me to do that?
[09:40]<@BC_Programming> well I found this: cd "$PATH" && ls -tr | head -n 1 | read file && echo $file
[09:41]<@BC_Programming> jacky: sure
[09:41]<+pottsi> what you trying to script?
[09:41]<@jacky> BC_Programming: what's that line supposed to do?
[09:41]<@jacky> pottsi: the thing I described above
[09:41]<@BC_Programming> it's supposed to delete the oldest file in a directory
[09:41]<@jacky> brb... will go find it, and pastebin it
[09:41]<@BC_Programming> clearly not exactly what you need I guess though
[09:41]<@jacky> give me a few min
[09:42]<@BC_Programming> also found this: find ./ -type f -mtime +30 -exec echo {} \;
[09:43]<@jacky> and I have no idea what that does... can you walk me through it?
[09:43]<@BC_Programming> well... from what I can see it first finds all files in the current directory ./ (which you can change)
[09:43]<@BC_Programming> it finds only files, using -type f
[09:43]<@BC_Programming> and -mtime +30 makes sure the last modified date is older then 30 days
[09:44]<@BC_Programming> and for each one it performs the exec echo {} command and replaced {} with the file
[09:44]<@jacky> ah
[09:44]<@BC_Programming> also I think I left a slash in there by accident
[09:45]<@BC_Programming> I replaced the rm that was in there originally with echo for "safety"
[09:45]<@jacky> where?
[09:45]<@BC_Programming> the original was find /u1/database/prod/arch -type f -mtime +3 -exec rm {} \;
[09:45]<@BC_Programming> from the site I found
[09:45]<@BC_Programming> obviously the path won't be the same, so I changed it for ./ for current directory
[09:45]<@BC_Programming> and +3 I changed to +30 for 30 days old
[09:46]<@jacky> explain from -exec rm {} \;
[09:46]<@jacky> again, please
[09:47]<@BC_Programming> I'm checking it now
[09:47]<@jacky> tnx
[09:47]<@jacky> and I'm thinking on it
[09:48]<@jacky> if there is any mistake in it, this could be dangerous...
[09:48]<@jacky> all it checks for, is age of file, and if older than x, wack it
[09:48]<@jacky> right?
[09:48]<@BC_Programming> yeah to my understanding
[09:49]<@jacky> I wonder if find can be told to limit itself to only certain subsets of files, for safety?
[09:49]<@jacky> like find blah*
[09:50]<@jacky> (later on, I'm going to come back to this conversation in the log, and slowly go over this stuff. Thank you for bringing it up... this is what I wanted/needed)
[09:50]<@BC_Programming> yea, instead of find ./ it would be find ./*.txt or whatever
[09:50]<@BC_Programming> just tested on my laptop
[09:51]<@jacky> ok... back to -exec
[09:51]<@jacky> -exec rm {} \;
[09:51]<@BC_Programming> yeah that isn't working for me
[09:51]<@jacky> what are we doing here? like a foreach loop ?
[09:52]<@jacky> for each found that i solder than x, then execute the next command on the line?
[09:52]<@jacky> something like that?
[09:52]<@BC_Programming> jacky: I imagine that's the intent
[09:52]<@BC_Programming> I think {} is basically replaced with each found filename
[09:52]<@jacky> what's the {} \; about then?
[09:52]<@jacky> ah
[09:52]<@jacky> ok... want to see how I did it?
[09:53]<@BC_Programming> I'm not sure what the / is there for..
[09:53]<@jacky> totally different way
[09:53]<@BC_Programming> k
[09:53]<@jacky> I don't even need pastebin
[09:53]<@jacky> brb
[09:53]<@jacky> first, set a var:
[09:53]<@jacky> onemonthago=`date -j -v-1m "+%d%b%Y"`
[09:53]<@jacky> 
[09:53]<@jacky> rm -f /path/to/the/files/logs/\#science-fiction.log.$onemonthago
[09:54]<@jacky> 
[09:54]<@jacky> and the filenames are like: #science-fiction.log.05May2011
[09:54]<@jacky> 
[09:55]<@jacky> if you play with it, you can envision what happens when you have #science-fiction.log.31March2011
[09:55]<@BC_Programming> yes
[09:55]<@jacky> there is no 31April
[09:55]<@jacky> loophole
[09:56]<@BC_Programming> ahhh
[09:56]<@jacky> I could just forget it, and a half dozen times in the year, go in and manually delete it
[09:56]<@jacky> heheehehe
[09:56]<@jacky> the idea is... to not let a whole pile of logs build up.... to keep xx
[09:56]<@BC_Programming> yeah.. the one I found would keep all the files newer then a given number of days
[09:56]<@jacky> if a few extra are there, for the purpose they are being used for, they dont' hurt a thing
[09:57]<@jacky> did you get it to work though?
[09:57]<@BC_Programming> yep, was a typo on my part
[09:57]<@BC_Programming> the "proper" one was:
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[09:57]<@jacky> we must have bored pottsi right off line.... heh
[09:57]<@BC_Programming> find ./*.txt -type f -mtime +30 -exec echo {} \;
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[09:58]<@jacky> and, for me, change "echo" to "rm"
[09:58]<@jacky> correct?
[09:58]<@BC_Programming> yep
[09:58]<@BC_Programming> I'd do a test run first
[09:58]<@jacky> with echo
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[09:58]<@jacky> right?
[09:58]<@BC_Programming> with echo it will tell you what files it will delete
[09:58]<@BC_Programming> if you change it to rm, I mean
[09:58]<@jacky> yep
[09:59]<@jacky> run it with echo , and note what is displayed
[09:59]<@jacky> first
[10:00]<@jacky> ok
[10:00]<@jacky> will mess with it later
[10:00]<@jacky> anything else for now? more thoughts?
[10:00]<@jacky> on either of the things I brought up?
[10:00]<@BC_Programming> just found out
[10:00]<@BC_Programming> that line will recurse into all subdirectories as well
[10:01]<@jacky> shouldn't be a problem, but
[10:01]<@jacky> just in case
[10:01]<@jacky> did you find a way to limit that?
[10:01]<@jacky> also... are you just doing this with google?
[10:01]<@jacky> or do you have a good ref site?
[10:01]<@BC_Programming> if you want only in one specified directory you would use find -maxdepth 0 dirname/*.txt -type f -mtime +30 -exec echo {} \;
[10:01]<@BC_Programming> jacky: using man find on my laptop, lol
[10:01]<@jacky> I struggle with man, the few times I've tried it
[10:02]<@jacky> what are you using for key word(s)?
[10:02]<@jacky> I mean.. how did you get onto "find" in the first place?
[10:02]<@BC_Programming> I typed "man find" (?)
[10:02]<@jacky> oh... so you had some inclination that you wanted to use find when you started out
[10:02]<@jacky> ok
[10:02]<@jacky> cool
[10:02]<@BC_Programming> basically I knew that find was what was... well, finding... the files, so I figured it was the reasonable first thing to look at to change how it found them
[10:03]<@jacky> I didn't know it could run a command
[10:03]<@jacky> interesting
[10:03]<@jacky> well.. that is why I asked, eh?
[10:03]<@jacky> Thanks!
[10:03]<@BC_Programming> your welcome
[10:03]<@BC_Programming> hope it works
[10:03]<@jacky> my welcome what?
[10:03]<@jacky> >g<
[10:03]<@BC_Programming> you're welcome
[10:03]<@jacky> oh
[10:03]<@BC_Programming> I've been doing that
[10:03]<@jacky> heheheeh
[10:03]<@jacky> on PURPOSE!
[10:03]<@jacky> :)
[10:04]<@BC_Programming> unfortunately no, I must have some sort of brain disease that causes it
[10:04]<@BC_Programming> heh
[10:04]<@jacky> keep me in mind, with that redirection thing, ok?
[10:04]<@BC_Programming> yep
[10:04]<@jacky> it is not an emergency... but heck... there has GOT to be something out there... just has to be
[10:04]<@jacky> tnx
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[10:13]<+camerongray> hahaha
[10:13]<@jacky> you are too, eh?
[10:13]<@jacky> >g<
[10:13]<+camerongray> lol
[10:13]<@jacky> brb
[10:13]<+camerongray> Just noticed, came in from the dentist and straight away started eating an easter egg
[10:14]<@BC_Programming> haha
[10:14]<+camerongray> Arg, Mozilla have just made a stupid change to FF
[10:15]<@BC_Programming> wouldn't notice, I'm using 3.6.17
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[10:15]<+camerongray> Ahh
[10:15]<+camerongray> On 4 they have now moved the new tab button to the right hand side instead of next to the rightmost tab
[10:15]<@BC_Programming> oh <that>
[10:15]<@BC_Programming> yeah I think I see that in minefield on my laptop
[10:16]<@BC_Programming> it's running 4.1
[10:16]<+camerongray> And the buttons that scroll the tabs are now always there rather than appearing when they are needed
[10:16]<+camerongray> *facepalm*
[10:16]<+camerongray> Just went back to normal when I relaunched it
[10:16]<@BC_Programming> well I think Firefox 4, Chrome, and IE9 are all complete balls of WTF from a GUI perspective
[10:16]<+camerongray> lol - yeh
[10:17]<@BC_Programming> but I wrote an entire blog about that... two, actually
[10:17]<+camerongray> I do prefer the way they save screen space
[10:18]<+camerongray> Since I do web browsing on my MacBook and that's only 13"
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[10:24]<+camerongray> What is Rodney Reynolds/3dGameMan doing?
[10:26]<@BC_Programming> dunno who that is
[10:30]<+camerongray> A tech reviewer on Youtube - very popular
[10:30]<+camerongray> But he's all of a sudden decided to unlist his videos so you have to visit his website to see them
[10:31]<+camerongray> Everyone thinks it's a bad idea - Even Elric from motherboards.org made a video about it
[10:31]<@BC_Programming> that's... weird
[10:32]<+camerongray> Indeed
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[10:34]<+camerongray> I'd not be surprised if he changed back, why would a company send him something to review on his website when there are others like LinusTechTips that would have them on their channel and a website
[10:35]<@BC_Programming> oooh that gives me an idea for a video
[10:35]<@BC_Programming> a comparison of the speeds of all my flash drives
[10:35]<@BC_Programming> which should work alright, I have a bunch of different brands and models and ages
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[10:36]<+camerongray> I will never understand how your mind works :P
[10:37]<@BC_Programming> well I was going to say
[10:37]<+camerongray> But that would be cool
[10:37]<@BC_Programming> "I would review stuff but I don't buy very much"
[10:37]<@BC_Programming> then I realized that I <used> to buy a lot of crap I didn't need and I still have it, mwa haha
[10:38]<+camerongray> I might at some point to a "Retro Review"
[10:38]<+camerongray> do*
[10:38]<@BC_Programming> oh?
[10:38]<+camerongray> BBC Microcomputer?
[10:38]<+camerongray> My old 486
[10:38]<@BC_Programming> ahh cool
[10:38]<+camerongray> Acorn A5000
[10:38]<@BC_Programming> like my gaming mishmash thing but with old comps
[10:39]<+camerongray> Acorn Archimedes 310
[10:39]<@BC_Programming> it would be funny for me to review my broken thinkpad... lol
[10:39]<+camerongray> Sinclair ZX81
[10:39]<+camerongray> I could go on
[10:39]<+camerongray> lol, do it as a comedy video
[10:39]<+camerongray> You can, use it as a doorstop
[10:39]<@BC_Programming> well yeah, couldn't do it as much else
[10:39]<+camerongray> Give it to your cat
[10:40]<+camerongray> Then a random clip of your cat ignoring it
[10:40]<@BC_Programming> lol
[10:41]<sonicrules1234> Yay for my vps getting native IPv6 :D
[10:41]<+camerongray> Here's Elric's video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZViQ68__fA&feature=feedu
[10:43]<+camerongray> He's awesome
[10:43]<+camerongray> What other reviewer uses a huge butcher's knife to cut tape on a box
[10:44]<@BC_Programming> lol
[10:45]<@BC_Programming> heh I want one of these
[10:45]<@BC_Programming> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_16_Go
[10:46]<+camerongray> lol
[10:47]<+camerongray> Ahh well, back to motherboards.org, Linus and OC3D
[10:47]<@BC_Programming> would be easier then using my actual SNES
[10:48]<+camerongray> I still wish that OC3D finished his GPU keyring idea
[10:48]<+camerongray> Basically put an old broken graphics card in the oven and removed the GPU to make into a keyring
[10:48]<+camerongray> But never showed the end result like he said he would
[10:55]<+camerongray> If I do make this forum, what sort of theme would people like
[10:55]<@BC_Programming> I dunno, just choose one
[10:58]<+camerongray> Found one
[10:59]<+camerongray> Anyone here have an idea for a name? - I seriously can't think of one
[11:00]<Serpent> Greg?
[11:00]<@BC_Programming> there
[11:00]<@BC_Programming> greg.com
[11:00]<@BC_Programming> problem solved
[11:00]<sonicrules1234> <sonicrules1234> >dns greg.com
[11:00]<sonicrules1234> <sonicbot-dev> greg.com -> 208.38.134.211
[11:00]<Serpent> :)
[11:00]<@jacky> I like Murgatroyd better
[11:00]<sonicrules1234> Already taken
[11:00]<@BC_Programming> duh
[11:01]<@BC_Programming> cuthbert
[11:01]<+Mulreay> Donald willberforth?
[11:01]<@jacky> Thaddeus?
[11:01]<+camerongray> lol
[11:01]<Serpent> jacky: House rules :p
[11:01]<+camerongray> For a computer help forum
[11:02]<@jacky> Serpent: ?
[11:02]<Serpent> House M.D. tv series...
[11:02]<@BC_Programming> Graham: hello
[11:02]<@BC_Programming> ha ha I said hi first
[11:03]<Serpent> Gregory House
[11:03]<@jacky> ah
[11:06]<+camerongray> Any serious names?
[11:07]<@BC_Programming> nope
[11:09]<+camerongray> lol
[11:09]<+camerongray> Please?
[11:12]<+camerongray> http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/5019/128867034297648988.jpg
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[11:59]<@jacky> be back later....
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[14:09]<Tux2> Hey guys, we have a website for the server now: http://tux2mc.tk
[14:21]<+camerongray> Cool
[14:21]<+camerongray> I should get to work on mine
[14:21]<+camerongray> Tux, do you have any idea for a name for a computer help site?
[14:22]<+camerongray> I really can't think of oe
[14:22]<+camerongray> one*
[14:22]<Tux2> I don't know off the top of my head.
[14:22]<+camerongray> Ahh
[14:22]<+camerongray> That's the only issue i'm having :P
[14:26]<+camerongray> It's really annoying :P
[14:46]<+camerongray> If anyone has any ideas, PLEASE let me know :P
[14:54]<+Mulreay> pcglitch.com that would rock the boat a little
[14:57]<+camerongray> lol
[14:57]<+camerongray> PC Paramedic?
[14:59]<+camerongray> Wait - That's taken
[14:59]<+camerongray> Meant IT Paramedic
[15:00]<+camerongray> Thinking what to say to Calum
[15:06]<+camerongray> TBH I'm getting tired with GlitchPC
[15:08]<+Mulreay> oh
[15:08]<+Mulreay> the new site is up I think, glanced at something earlier, won't be joining of course
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