Session Start: Fri Feb 05 00:00:00 2010
Session Ident: #glitchpc
[00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here.'
[00:00] * Set by Calum on Wed Dec 09 05:59:26
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[01:12] <bikdarw> g'morning gentlemen
[01:42] <Craig> Anyone on here good with CSS, I am usually the expert, but I need a hint...
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[06:30] <Mulreay> hi camerongray
[06:30] <camerongray> hey
[06:30] <camerongray> brb
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[07:34] <camerongray> back
[07:34] <camerongray> The internet suddenly stopped working
[07:34] <camerongray> The ADSL Filter thingy was broken - I plugged in a new one and it seems fine
[07:42] <Mulreay> HI sorry was off doing my laundry...
[07:42] <Mulreay> how are you camerongray
[07:42] <camerongray> good thanks - how are you?
[07:43] <Mulreay> I was good until I started tidying my room.. just hung my washing out and hoovered som atleast I have been slightly productive today heh
[07:43] <camerongray> yeh
[07:44] <camerongray> I need to tidy here
[07:44] <Mulreay> Gutted my IDE drivwe does not work..
[07:44] <camerongray> what happens?
[07:44] <Mulreay> drive* sorry typings going bust
[07:44] <Mulreay> Nothing the drive clicks a few times but it's not recognised by the laptop..
[07:45] <camerongray> sounds like the drive is dead
[07:45] <camerongray> you could buy a new drive and still use the enclosure
[07:45] <Mulreay> My Sata from Calum works though so happy with that..just doing a backup actually of the main drive
[07:46] <camerongray> nice
[07:47] <Mulreay> The IDE was just for keeping programmes on if I needed to take them to a mates house.. the SATA one has it's own power supply and is far more chunky so slightly more of a pain to carry around
[07:47] <camerongray> yeh - mine is like that
[07:49] <Mulreay> Made life a lot easier for me as I was down to 4gb space left on my internal so transferred a lot to the new drive
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[08:19] <Mulreay> HI jacky
[08:20] <camerongray> hey jacky
[08:20] <@jacky> Mulreay: Hello
[08:20] <@jacky> camerongray: Hello
[08:21] <Mulreay> Jacky found an interesting topic about egg-fu but can't understand what it means...
[08:21] <@jacky> cool
[08:21] <@jacky> link..?
[08:22] <Mulreay> http://forum.egghelp.org/viewtopic.php?t=17306
[08:22] <Mulreay> Sorry was off getting it :)
[08:22] <@jacky> :)
[08:22] <@jacky> np
[08:24] <@jacky> no wonder I remembered something about the exec command
[08:24] <@jacky> heheeh
[08:24] <@jacky> you know who willyw is?
[08:24] <Mulreay> heh
[08:24] <Mulreay> yes you..
[08:24] <@jacky> heh
[08:24] <Mulreay> lol
[08:24] <@jacky> so.. I wonder... how many times it appears in that script
[08:25] <@jacky> and if we could work around it, eh?
[08:25] <@jacky> hmmm
[08:25] <@jacky> let me see if I did not delete it yet
[08:25] <@jacky> brb
[08:25] <Mulreay> ok
[08:25] <Mulreay> thx
[08:26] <@jacky> [exec date +%m/%d/%Y@%H:%M]]
[08:27] <@jacky> looks like it is executing something called date
[08:27] <@jacky> so we get into even deeper doo-doo
[08:27] <@jacky> :(
[08:27] <Mulreay> ahh ok
[08:27] <@jacky> hey.. just for fun
[08:27] <@jacky> have you googled for a "windows" version of Egg-Fu?
[08:27] <@jacky> maybe somebody ELSE has already waded through this
[08:27] <Mulreay> no actually never thought too
[08:27] <@jacky> and/or searched on that forum for same?
[08:27] <@jacky> it is worth a shot....
[08:28] <Mulreay> Yeah gonna have a look around.. just searching now thx
[08:30] <@jacky> cool
[08:34] <Mulreay> Yeah strangely enough the only help links back to your topic jacky
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[08:34] <Mulreay> http://forum.egghelp.org/viewtopic.php?t=17558&highlight=egg++windrop
[08:34] <Mulreay> BC_Programming hello
[08:34] <@BC_Programming> greetings
[08:35] <Mulreay> BC_Programming your not that up with linux are you?
[08:35] <@BC_Programming> not huge really
[08:35] <@BC_Programming> but I can try to help
[08:35] <Mulreay> Have a script that has some linux stuff in it.. as I use windrop it's causing issues
[08:35] <@jacky> BC_Programming: have a look at those two posts, to get some background
[08:35] <@BC_Programming> ok
[08:36] <@jacky> and we'll also direct you to the tcl script with the linux command in it
[08:36] <@jacky> so you can d/l it
[08:36] <Mulreay> Yes that as well hehe
[08:36] <@jacky> and then I'll explain, if I can, what the line with the command in it, is doing
[08:36] <@jacky> Mulreay: can you get him an the link to the page where he can d/l it, please?
[08:36] <Mulreay> yep stand by
[08:37] <@BC_Programming> so your getting the error that is shown in that post?
[08:37] <@BC_Programming> the exec "date +%m/%d/%Y@%H:%M" error?
[08:37] <@jacky> yep
[08:37] <Mulreay> BC_Programming http://www.egghelp.org/tclhtml/3478-4-0-0-1-egg-fu.htm 5th script down
[08:38] <@jacky> he is running the script on a Windows machine
[08:38] <@jacky> as I understand it exec is a tcl command to execute an external command
[08:38] <@jacky> and since it doesn't exist on Windows... the error
[08:38] <@jacky> one of those links to a thread of posts covers it
[08:39] <@jacky> http://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl8.5/TclCmd/contents.htm
[08:39] <@jacky> for an explanation of exec
[08:39] <@jacky> apparently date is a linux command
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[08:40] <@jacky> and this bit of code is parsing it
[08:40] <@BC_Programming> hmm date is a windows command as well, probably just different input I guess... any clues yet as to why it needs to call date?
[08:40] <@jacky> checking
[08:40] <@jacky> brb
[08:41] <@BC_Programming> hmm, I can't find any use of exec in the egg-fu script
[08:41] <@jacky> ?
[08:41] <@jacky> text search for it
[08:41] <@BC_Programming> I did
[08:41] <@BC_Programming> not found
[08:42] <@BC_Programming> maybe editpad is messing up though, I'll try another editor to see
[08:42] <@jacky> set system [split [concat [exec date +%m/%d/%Y@%H:%M]] @]
[08:42] <@jacky> and
[08:42] <@jacky> set bdate [split [concat [exec date +%m/%d/%Y@%H:%M]] @]
[08:42] <@jacky> exec is calling date with some params
[08:43] <Mulreay> Yeah I found it as well
[08:43] <@BC_Programming> I can't find those anywhere... maybe I got the wrong script
[08:43] <@jacky> haven't check concat, but I'd bet that it is putting the output together, with seperateing @ signs
[08:43] <@BC_Programming> egg-fu.1.7.tcl?
[08:43] <Mulreay> 2.0.2
[08:43] <@BC_Programming> ahh ok
[08:43] <@jacky> version 2.0.2
[08:43] <@BC_Programming> that must be it
[08:43] <@BC_Programming> my mistake
[08:43] <@jacky> np
[08:44] <@BC_Programming> alright now we're on the same page, heh
[08:44] <Mulreay> heh
[08:44] <@BC_Programming> hmm, one critical clue here; the procedure name is "getdate"
[08:45] <@BC_Programming> therefore, we can assume that it is getting the date
[08:45] <@jacky> probably
[08:45] <@jacky> that's what I was saying earlier
[08:45] <Mulreay> or trying
[08:45] <@jacky> that date is probably returning the date, in some format
[08:45] <@BC_Programming> this brings up an interesting fact: teh linux date command automatically returns the date string when no parameters are passed
[08:45] <@BC_Programming> the windows version/DOS version, however, requires a "/T" parameter to do that
[08:45] <@jacky> and the rest of that line puts it together as desired, then sets a var to equal that
[08:46] <@BC_Programming> therefore the first thing I'd try is set system [split [concat [exec date /t +%m/%d/%Y@%H:%M]] @]
[08:46] <Mulreay> so add the /t
[08:46] <@BC_Programming> yeah
[08:46] <@BC_Programming> give it a shot
[08:46] <@jacky> but.. didn't that one post, say that to use the exec command under windows, that more must be done
[08:46] <Mulreay> ok stand by
[08:46] <@jacky> brb..
[08:47] <@jacky> BC_Programming: have you been here yet? : http://forum.egghelp.org/viewtopic.php?t=17306
[08:47] <@BC_Programming> ahh
[08:47] <@BC_Programming> your right
[08:47] <@jacky> my right what?
[08:47] <@jacky> heheeh
[08:47] <@jacky> couldn't resist...
[08:47] <@BC_Programming> it might need to be changed to set system [split [concat [exec cmd /c date /t +%m/%d/%Y@%H:%M]] @]
[08:48] <@jacky> err... what about the redirect to nul though?
[08:48] <@jacky> maybe not nul.. but redirect to whatever that is...
[08:49] <@BC_Programming> well, this is purely a guess at this point; but I it's acquiring the date by reading the output from the date command; I imagine it's basically redirecting it right into concat and then it formats the string into a date that it can return
[08:50] <@jacky> that's what I said, too
[08:50] <@BC_Programming> on the other hand... TCL might have built in functions for retrieving the date
[08:50] <@BC_Programming> so the whole thing might be completely unnecessary, heh
[08:50] <@jacky> and we might be able to surgically remove this line, and create our own?
[08:51] <@jacky> I *think* strftime works, windows or linux
[08:52] <@jacky> experimenting on a windrop now
[08:52] <@jacky> brb
[08:53] <Mulreay> ok thx jacky and BC_Programming for looking into it
[08:53] <Mulreay> Because lets be fair.. would I know what to do?? No
[08:54] <@jacky> you knew we'd bite and get hooked
[08:54] <@jacky> heheheh
[08:54] <@jacky> brb
[08:54] <Mulreay> heh everyone loves a challenge on here
[08:54] <@BC_Programming> yes even you, when it comes to putting on pants or pouring a glass of water
[08:54] <@BC_Programming> haha
[08:54] <@BC_Programming> jk
[08:54] <@jacky> har
[08:54] <Mulreay> heh..
[08:54] <@jacky> BC_Programming: you are familiar with strftime ?
[08:55] <@BC_Programming> nope
[08:55] <@jacky> ok
[08:55] <Mulreay> I'll have you know I put one leg on today but then I got distracted
[08:55] <@jacky> np
[08:55] <@BC_Programming> I know it's a c function, but that's it
[08:55] <@jacky> playing on chanbot (windrop)
[08:55] <@jacky> this helps explain:
[08:55] <@jacky> <jacky> .tcl strftime %D
[08:55] <@jacky> <chanbotII> Tcl: 02/05/10
[08:55] <@jacky> a tcl command of strftime %D returns that
[08:55] <@jacky> let me get list of params
[08:55] <@jacky> brb
[08:56] <@jacky> in other words though... strftime works, on windrops
[08:56] <@jacky> which is what you were alluding to
[08:56] <@jacky> right?
[08:56] <@jacky> check out: http://linux.die.net/man/3/strftime
[08:56] <@jacky> now..
[08:56] <@BC_Programming> yeah that would work on windows/linux, since it's part of the C runtime
[08:56] <@jacky> if we can get the same info, set into that variable, using this... once that variable is set, wouldn't you feel that the rest of the script would take it and go?
[08:56] <@BC_Programming> it's one of the things that <has> to be included, tyoe thing
[08:57] <@BC_Programming> we're assuming me mensa quality cmd /c date /t doesn't work, of course
[08:57] <@BC_Programming> heh
[08:57] <@jacky> true
[08:57] <@BC_Programming> me mensa, lol
[08:57] <@jacky> this is another avenue
[08:58] <@jacky> the irony did not escape me
[08:58] <@jacky> have you got a linux system handy
[08:58] <@BC_Programming> hmm, I have some vms
[08:58] <@jacky> such taht you could run that date command
[08:58] <@jacky> and see what it is returning?
[08:58] <@BC_Programming> ahh yes
[08:58] <@BC_Programming> a fine idea
[08:58] <@jacky> but of course... it was mine. <ahem... buffing fingernails... )
[08:58] <@jacky> <g>
[08:58] <Mulreay> It'slike watching something out of 'star trek' this... who's Data?
[08:59] <Mulreay> heh
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[08:59] <@jacky> BC_Programming: let me know, if you get that
[08:59] <@BC_Programming> ok date gives me "Fri Feb 5 07:58:49 PST 2010"
[09:00] <@BC_Programming> curses... date /t gives me Fri 02/05/2010
[09:00] <@jacky> np
[09:00] <@jacky> now... to mess with strftime
[09:00] <@jacky> then
[09:00] <@jacky> looks to be highly formattable
[09:00] <@BC_Programming> strftime: command not found
[09:01] <@jacky> did I typo it?
[09:01] <@BC_Programming> no it's not a command
[09:01] <Mulreay> Does that mean you have to swop the line of code out?... just so I follow?
[09:01] <@jacky> it will.. if we can come up with a good substitute
[09:01] <@BC_Programming> I'm not sure, it means the cmd /c date stuff won't work
[09:01] <Mulreay> ahh ok thx
[09:01] <@jacky> Mulreay: in the meantime... can you ccheck something in your eggdrop.conf please
[09:01] <Mulreay> of course
[09:02] <@jacky> fidn the lines that allow the owner, to run .set and .tcl commands, while in dcc
[09:02] <Mulreay> ok
[09:02] <@jacky> and turn it on, for bot owner
[09:02] <Mulreay> ok
[09:02] <@jacky> and rehash
[09:02] <Mulreay> ok
[09:02] <@jacky> wait
[09:02] <@jacky> test first
[09:02] <@jacky> are you in partyline?
[09:02] <@jacky> now
[09:02] <Mulreay> will do
[09:02] <@jacky> get in partyline now, and type .set
[09:02] <Mulreay> not yet stand by one
[09:02] <@jacky> and see what you get
[09:02] <@jacky> then do same for .tcl
[09:02] <@jacky> and see what you get
[09:03] <@jacky> let me know
[09:03] <@jacky> tnx
[09:03] <@BC_Programming> ahh
[09:03] <@jacky> choo
[09:03] <@BC_Programming> wait, we can probably just change the format string to suite the date /t output
[09:03] <Mulreay> Have to comment out egg-fu
[09:03] <@jacky> BC_Programming: whichever is easiest...
[09:03] <@jacky> Mulreay: why?
[09:03] <@jacky> ?
[09:03] <Mulreay> sorry comment bad typo
[09:03] <@jacky> lost me
[09:03] <@jacky> what's up?
[09:04] <Mulreay> Never mind
[09:04] <Mulreay> I have the egg-fu source in eggdrop
[09:04] <@jacky> I have no idea what that means
[09:04] <@jacky> "in eggdrop" ??
[09:04] <Mulreay> Can't launch dangerbot with egg-fu!!
[09:05] <@jacky> ah
[09:05] <Mulreay> Sorry should have been more clear
[09:05] <@jacky> that's ok
[09:05] <@jacky> it is clear now
[09:05] <@jacky> I see dangerbot online though now
[09:05] <@jacky> :)
[09:05] <Mulreay> yes just getting into partyline
[09:05] <@jacky> cool
[09:06] <Mulreay> ok I'm in
[09:06] <@jacky> type .tcl
[09:06] <@jacky> what does it do?
[09:06] <@jacky> when you hit enter
[09:06] <Mulreay> <Mulreay> .tcl
[09:06] <Mulreay> <DangerBot> Tcl:
[09:06] <@jacky> good
[09:06] <@jacky> try .set
[09:06] <@jacky> you might get a screen ful
[09:06] <Mulreay> yeploads of stuff
[09:07] <@jacky> cool
[09:07] <Mulreay> yep Loads*
[09:07] <@jacky> you already have them enabled
[09:07] <@jacky> no need to fiddle in eggdrop.conf
[09:07] <@jacky> :)
[09:07] <Mulreay> ok
[09:07] <@jacky> brb.. with a command for you to try
[09:07] <Mulreay> ok
[09:07] <@jacky> .tcl strftime %D
[09:07] <@jacky> and what does it return?
[09:08] <Mulreay> <Mulreay> .tcl strftime %D
[09:08] <Mulreay> <DangerBot> Tcl: 02/05/10
[09:08] <@jacky> great!
[09:08] <@jacky> so... it is not a dead end, to pursue
[09:08] <Mulreay> yeah
[09:08] <@jacky> should what BC is working on, not work out
[09:08] <@jacky> very cool
[09:08] <@jacky> let's see what BC has
[09:08] <@jacky> BC_Programming ?
[09:08] <Mulreay> making notes
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[09:09] <@BC_Programming> oh sorry
[09:09] <@BC_Programming> was trying to rewrite the getdate function to work
[09:10] <Mulreay> Think Ryan was a little overwhelmed there as were not playing trivia
[09:10] <@BC_Programming> lol
[09:10] <@jacky> I'll try to assist you... but it might be easier to just do that one part of that one line
[09:10] <Mulreay> heh
[09:10] <@jacky> the part that coughs up the date, in the format that you posted
[09:10] <@BC_Programming> yeah
[09:10] <@jacky> re: Ryan. yes
[09:11] <@BC_Programming> what I mean is, I needed to install a tcl interpreter, so that I could test it
[09:11] <@jacky> the whole procedure???
[09:11] <@BC_Programming> and then copy the getdate function and get it working there
[09:11] <@BC_Programming> activeTCL
[09:11] <@jacky> nah... just get that one line, to cough up the date, in the format we need
[09:11] <@BC_Programming> yeah
[09:11] <@jacky> Mulreay: http://linux.die.net/man/3/strftime
[09:11] <@BC_Programming> but I need to have the whole function to test you see
[09:11] <@jacky> while BC is tryi8ng that
[09:11] <@jacky> can you load that page?
[09:12] <@jacky> now that you know how to play with strftime from the dcc command line....
[09:12] <@jacky> let's see if we can find an option that comes back with
[09:12] <@jacky> "Fri Feb 5 07:58:49 PST 2010"
[09:12] <@jacky> gives us something to do, while BC works
[09:12] <Mulreay> ok
[09:13] <Mulreay> it's already open... I opened it earlier
[09:14] <Mulreay> ??
[09:14] <@jacky> ?
[09:15] <Mulreay> Sorry I thought you wanted me to do something here... now just grasped how stupid I am
[09:16] <@jacky> strugglign with the spacing...
[09:16] <@jacky> .tcl strftime %a,%b
[09:16] <@jacky> like that
[09:16] <@jacky> you'll see
[09:17] <Mulreay> to rplace the original script?
[09:17] <Mulreay> replace*
[09:17] <@jacky> oohh... is this it?? Fri Feb 5 09:17:31 2010
[09:17] <@jacky> damn.. almost
[09:18] <@jacky> .tcl strftime %c
[09:18] <@jacky> try it, Mulreay
[09:18] <Mulreay> where?
[09:18] <Mulreay> in partyline?
[09:18] <@jacky> on your command line,in dcc partyline
[09:18] <Mulreay> Sorry just don't want to confuse partyline and egg-fu stuff
[09:19] <@jacky> np
[09:19] <Mulreay> Tcl: Fri Feb 5 16:19:08 2010
[09:19] <Mulreay> works
[09:19] <@jacky> just doesn't have that PST in there, like the original line in the script does
[09:19] <@jacky> not sure if that is important, yet
[09:19] <@jacky> brb
[09:20] <Mulreay> ok
[09:21] <@BC_Programming> hey good news, I just got it to a point where I can start editing it and see if I can fix it, heh
[09:21] <Mulreay> heh
[09:21] <@jacky> BC_Programming: see above?
[09:21] <@jacky> what we found, so far, though?
[09:21] <@BC_Programming> yeah I was meaning my fork
[09:21] <@BC_Programming> heh
[09:21] <@BC_Programming> looks good so far
[09:21] <Mulreay> One small step for BC a giant leap for the egg-fu script
[09:22] <@jacky> what I'm trying to see now, is what happens with taht PST
[09:22] <@jacky> BC_Programming: is "PST" the only diff, in the two returns?
[09:23] <@BC_Programming> actually, it doesn't use pst at all
[09:23] <@BC_Programming> so far, the function works with date /t, there is just one minor flaw
[09:23] <@BC_Programming> and it is the weekday
[09:24] <@BC_Programming> oh.... wait, no I'm dead wrong
[09:24] <@jacky> wrong on what?
[09:24] <@BC_Programming> but I can fix it by messing with the format string
[09:24] <@BC_Programming> well it's not just that
[09:24] <@BC_Programming> the day is being returned as month, the time is nonexistent, etc
[09:24] <@jacky> want to go down our road a while then?
[09:24] <@BC_Programming> but I'll keep going, I might have to use time /t, lol
[09:25] <@jacky> which do you think might be easiest/best?
[09:25] <@BC_Programming> dunno
[09:25] <@BC_Programming> but this way I get to try out tcl
[09:25] <@BC_Programming> heh
[09:25] <Mulreay> That could be good for the future..
[09:29] <@jacky> 
[09:29] <@jacky> Mulreay: try this please: .tcl strftime "%a %b %e %T %Z %Y "
[09:29] <@jacky> .tcl strftime "%a %b %e %T %Z %Y "
[09:29] <@jacky> and post back the return
[09:29] <Mulreay> <DangerBot> Tcl: Fri Feb 5 16:29:30 GMTST 2010
[09:29] <@jacky> Fri Feb 5 07:58:49 PST 2010
[09:29] <@jacky> and that is what BC said we should need
[09:29] <@BC_Programming> yeah try that one
[09:30] <Mulreay> ok
[09:30] <@jacky> BC_Programming what about spaces
[09:30] <@jacky> ?
[09:30] <@jacky> I think concat trims
[09:30] <@jacky> brb
[09:30] <@BC_Programming> you could remove the space between some of the format chars
[09:30] <@BC_Programming> I think
[09:30] <@jacky> not sure how, yet
[09:30] <@jacky> hehehe
[09:31] <@jacky> 
[09:31] <@BC_Programming> I mean, literally, in the format string. like, use %a%b or something
[09:31] <@jacky> brb
[09:33] <@jacky> Mulreay: you there? ready to try something? :)
[09:33] <@jacky> BC_Programming: (that seems to make a diff.. tnx )
[09:33] <Mulreay> of course
[09:33] <@jacky> 
[09:33] <@jacky> find this line:
[09:33] <@jacky> set system [split [concat [exec date +%m/%d/%Y@%H:%M]] @]
[09:33] <@jacky> and comment it out
[09:33] <Mulreay> ok
[09:33] <@jacky> just put a # as the first character on that line
[09:33] <Mulreay> already there
[09:33] <@jacky> below it
[09:33] <@jacky> space donw
[09:33] <Mulreay> done
[09:33] <@jacky> and put in this line:
[09:34] <@jacky> set system [split [concat [strftime "%a %b%e %T %Z %Y "] @]
[09:34] <@jacky> 
[09:34] <@jacky> 
[09:34] <@BC_Programming> I get a unknown command, strftime when I tried that
[09:34] <@jacky> oh well.. we know it works on his windows system...
[09:34] <@jacky> 
[09:34] <@jacky> 
[09:34] <@jacky> proc getdate {arg} {
[09:34] <@jacky> #set system [split [concat [exec date +%m/%d/%Y@%H:%M]] @]
[09:34] <@jacky> set system [split [concat [strftime "%a %b%e %T %Z %Y "] @]
[09:34] <@jacky> 
[09:34] <@jacky> is that what you look like now, Mulreay
[09:34] <@jacky> 
[09:34] <Mulreay> stand by
[09:34] <@jacky> np
[09:34] <Mulreay> yes
[09:35] <@jacky> good
[09:35] <@jacky> one more... brb
[09:35] <@jacky> BC_Programming: while I'm gone... examine and feel free to comment, please
[09:35] <@jacky> 
[09:36] <Mulreay> I assume this is right
[09:36] <Mulreay> ##set system [split [concat [exec cmd /c date /t +%m/%d/%Y@%H:%M]] @]
[09:36] <Mulreay> set system [split [concat [strftime "%a %b%e %T %Z %Y "] @]
[09:37] <@BC_Programming> hmmm
[09:37] <@BC_Programming> I'm still getting "invalid command name "strftime""
[09:37] <Mulreay> I have not tried yet
[09:37] <@jacky> 
[09:37] <@jacky> 
[09:37] <@jacky> Mulreay: find
[09:37] <@jacky> set bdate [split [concat [exec date +%m/%d/%Y@%H:%M]] @]
[09:37] <@jacky> comment it out
[09:37] <Mulreay> ok stand by
[09:37] <@jacky> put in a blank line below it
[09:37] <@jacky> and on it, put:
[09:38] <@jacky> set bdate [split [concat [strftime "%a %b%e %T %Z %Y ]] @]
[09:38] <@jacky> 
[09:38] <@jacky> 
[09:38] <@jacky> 
[09:38] <@jacky> putlog "\002Congratulations!\002 You are now the proud parent of an \002egg-fu\002 bot!"
[09:38] <@jacky> #set bdate [split [concat [exec date +%m/%d/%Y@%H:%M]] @]
[09:38] <@jacky> set bdate [split [concat [strftime "%a %b%e %T %Z %Y ]] @]
[09:38] <@jacky> 
[09:38] <@jacky> are you looking like that, for that one?
[09:38] <@jacky> 
[09:38] <@jacky> BC_Programming: strftime fails for you, on windows or linux?
[09:39] <@BC_Programming> windows
[09:39] <@BC_Programming> strftime is simply not a tcl command...
[09:39] <Mulreay> Ok all changes made
[09:39] <@jacky> ah... it is built into the bot's tcl interpreter then? what do you think?
[09:40] <@BC_Programming> maybe
[09:40] <@jacky> Mulreay: saved file?
[09:40] <Mulreay> yes
[09:40] <@jacky> Mulreay: just for fun... text search the file for exec
[09:40] <Mulreay> ok
[09:40] <@jacky> see if it only appears twice
[09:40] <@jacky> and if both the lines it is in, are now commented out
[09:40] <@jacky> BC_Programming: what do you think, so far, of what Mulreay has done?
[09:40] <@BC_Programming> I've got it returning everyting properly except the month
[09:41] <@jacky> good. we might need it.. heheeh
[09:41] <@BC_Programming> but I can't seem to get rid of the bloody weekday that likes to hang around in front of it
[09:41] <Mulreay> Both lines are commented out jacky
[09:42] <@jacky> cool
[09:42] <@jacky> might as well try loading the script in the bot.
[09:42] <@jacky> be prepared for more/new error messages
[09:42] <Mulreay> ok stand by
[09:42] <@jacky> hehehe
[09:42] <Mulreay> will post
[09:43] <Mulreay> [16:43] ?Congratulations!? You are now the proud parent of an ?egg-fu?
[09:43] <Mulreay> [16:43] Tcl error in file 'eggdrop.conf':
[09:43] <Mulreay> [16:43] extra characters after close-quote
[09:43] <Mulreay> while executing
[09:43] <Mulreay> "set bdate [split [concat [strftime "%a %b%e %T %Z %Y ]] @]
[09:43] <Mulreay> putlog "I was born on \002$bdate\002"
[09:43] <Mulreay> set bc [open birth_certificate.egg w]
[09:43] <Mulreay> puts $bc $bd..."
[09:43] <Mulreay> invoked from within
[09:43] <Mulreay> "if {![file exists birth_certificate.egg]} {
[09:43] <Mulreay> set coin [rand 10]
[09:43] <Mulreay> if {$coin>=5} {set sex boy} {set sex girl}
[09:43] <Mulreay> putlog "\002IT'S A [string toupper $sex]!..."
[09:43] <Mulreay> (file "scripts/egg-fu_2.0.2.tcl" line 912)
[09:43] <Mulreay> invoked from within
[09:43] <Mulreay> "source scripts/egg-fu_2.0.2.tcl"
[09:43] <Mulreay> (file "eggdrop.conf" line 1416)
[09:43] <Mulreay> [16:43] * CONFIG FILE NOT LOADED (NOT FOUND, OR ERROR)
[09:43] <Mulreay> c:\Windrop>
[09:44] <@jacky> one of us did a typo
[09:44] <@jacky> brb
[09:44] <Mulreay> ok
[09:44] <Mulreay> I copied I think
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[09:44] <@jacky> then it was me
[09:44] <@jacky> hehehe
[09:44] <@jacky> checking
[09:44] <db100547> lol
[09:44] <@jacky> this can make me cross eyed, looking for an extra bracket or something
[09:44] <@jacky> hi db!
[09:44] <@jacky> welcome
[09:45] <db100547> jacky: hi
[09:45] <db100547> just lurking .....lol
[09:45] <Mulreay> Hi db100547 were working on a rather 'pain in the ars' script
[09:46] <db100547> lol .......
[09:46] <@jacky> this is a very lurk-able chan
[09:46] <@jacky> hehe
[09:46] <db100547> they can be like that at times .
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[09:47] <camerongray> hey db
[09:47] <@jacky> see? more lurkers
[09:47] <@jacky> hehehe
[09:47] <pottsi> xD
[09:47] <Mulreay> heh
[09:47] <@jacky> Mulreay: know pottsi?
[09:47] <db100547> lol. we get everywhere he he he
[09:47] <@jacky> he fiddles some, with eggdrops too
[09:48] <Mulreay> Cool, hello pottsi
[09:48] <pottsi> herro
[09:49] <@BC_Programming> YES
[09:49] <@BC_Programming> I appear to have it working
[09:49] <Mulreay> ohh good news
[09:49] <@BC_Programming> I'll just clean things up now and double-check
[09:50] <db100547> *boom*
[09:50] <@jacky> BC wins the race!
[09:50] <Mulreay> Oh yes
[09:50] <@jacky> Mulreay: I found two typos - me - and fixed.. then found new errors to tackle
[09:50] <@BC_Programming> I'll pastebin it
[09:50] <Mulreay> If anyone can well it's jacky and BC
[09:50] <@jacky> let us hold, while we try bC method
[09:51] <Mulreay> yeah
[09:51] <@BC_Programming> http://pastebin.com/m526a24af
[09:51] <@BC_Programming> that replaces the entire "getdate" function
[09:51] <@BC_Programming> but hold on... I just thought of something that might be a showstopper
[09:52] <@BC_Programming> the UK date format is different...
[09:52] <@jacky> we can't help it that you all are goofy like that....
[09:52] <@jacky> heheheeheh
[09:52] <Mulreay> yeah that might.. kill things
[09:52] <@BC_Programming> I think it's... DD/MM/YYYY isn't it?
[09:52] <Mulreay> yes
[09:52] <@BC_Programming> hmm
[09:52] <@BC_Programming> well I'm not 100% then
[09:53] <@BC_Programming> but it's easy to do a quick swap of those two variables if necessary
[09:53] <Mulreay> One way to find out...
[09:53] <@BC_Programming> you can just fudge the returns, heh, "oh, you want the month? oh, here, have the day"
[09:54] <@BC_Programming> because the day is really the month,
[09:54] <@BC_Programming> yeah it's weird....
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[09:54] <@jacky> BC_Programming: is anything else changed in the procedure?
[09:54] <@jacky> or just that one lien?
[09:54] <@BC_Programming> quite a few things
[09:54] <@jacky> ok
[09:54] <@jacky> hadn't looked, yet
[09:55] <@jacky> will do
[09:55] <@BC_Programming> and actually that line still uses the cmd line, haha
[09:55] <@BC_Programming> it's a bit hackish
[09:55] <@BC_Programming> but I'm not exactly familar with tcl, it's... well, it's got an odd syntax
[09:55] <@jacky> did you edit the other instance of exec too , yet?
[09:56] <@BC_Programming> the issue wasn't really related to exec directly... but rather the way it was being used with date... what does the other exec... execute? I'll check
[09:56] <@jacky> BC_Programming: you caught this link, I posted earlier? : http://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl8.5/TclCmd/contents.htm << nice, handy, reference
[09:56] <@BC_Programming> oh...
[09:56] <@BC_Programming> curses
[09:56] <@BC_Programming> actually, I don't think that will cause any problems... just change it to
[09:57] <@BC_Programming> set bdate [split [concat [exec cmd /c date /t +%m/%d/%Y@%H:%M]] @]
[09:57] <@BC_Programming> and it should still work
[09:57] <db100547> famous last words lol
[09:57] <@jacky> once you have one whipped... the other is easier, right?
[09:57] <db100547> depends who you whipped lol
[09:58] <@jacky> oooohhh....
[09:58] <@jacky> heh
[09:58] <db100547> :D:P
[09:58] <@BC_Programming> great though, now I'm going to have nightmares about square brackets
[09:58] <@jacky> [ ]
[09:58] <@jacky> in bold, no less
[09:58] <@BC_Programming> omg
[09:59] <@BC_Programming> ut;s starting
[09:59] <@BC_Programming> hmm... if I look at it properly
[09:59] <@BC_Programming> it's less scary
[09:59] <@BC_Programming> because it looks more like a square
[09:59] <@BC_Programming> ahhh
[09:59] <@BC_Programming> much better
[10:00] <@BC_Programming> heh, I just stumbled on this line:
[10:00] <@BC_Programming> puts $wf "wtf => ~"
[10:00] <@BC_Programming> hahaha
[10:00] <db100547> h'mmmm interesting abbreviation .
[10:01] <@BC_Programming> worse then failure for a choice
[10:01] <@BC_Programming> coincidentally that has the same abbreviation (Worse then failure=wtf)
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[10:01] <db100547> ok .... give you that
[10:02] <db100547> but that ain't what you mean there .......lol
[10:03] <@BC_Programming> remember, STFU stands for "Silently Time Fried Urkels"
[10:03] <db100547> lol and rtfm means Read The F******** Manual lol
[10:04] <db100547> in programming !
[10:05] <@BC_Programming> no it OBVIOUSLY stands for Right Time for Family Matters
[10:05] <@jacky> where's mulreay?
[10:05] <@BC_Programming> we need to get an Urkel reference in there somehow
[10:05] <@jacky> has he tried it yet?
[10:05] <@BC_Programming> where's Urkel? did he do that yet?
[10:05] <@BC_Programming> sorry
[10:05] <@BC_Programming> couldn't resist
[10:05] <Mulreay> I'm here
[10:05] <@jacky> urk... urk... uuuurkkkkk....
[10:06] <@jacky> Mulreay: not sure... did you understand what to do? with the stuff BC said?
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[10:06] <Mulreay> Not reallt no..
[10:06] <Mulreay> really
[10:06] <@jacky> np
[10:07] <@jacky> BC_Programming: can you tell him exactly what to do?
[10:07] <@BC_Programming> replace the getdate procedure with the one from pastebin
[10:07] <Mulreay> did that
[10:07] <@BC_Programming> or to be safe
[10:07] <@BC_Programming> oh ok
[10:07] <@BC_Programming> what then?
[10:07] <@BC_Programming> oh yes, the bdate thing
[10:07] <Mulreay> I kept a backup commented out
[10:07] <@BC_Programming> good idea
[10:08] <@BC_Programming> do a search for set bdate [split [concat [exec
[10:08] <Mulreay> ok
[10:08] <@BC_Programming> and make the line set bdate [split [concat [exec cmd /c date /t +%m/%d/%Y@%H:%M]] @]
[10:09] <@jacky> brb... 2 min
[10:10] <Mulreay> Yeah done all that already
[10:11] <@BC_Programming> have you tried running it?
[10:11] <Mulreay> [16:57] missing close-bracket
[10:11] <Mulreay> while executing
[10:11] <Mulreay> "set system [split [concat [strftime "%a %b%e %T %Z %Y "] @]
[10:11] <Mulreay> set date [split [lindex $system 0] /]
[10:11] <Mulreay> set time [lindex $system 1]
[10:11] <Mulreay> set month [lindex $da..."
[10:11] <Mulreay> (file "scripts/egg-fu_2.0.2.tcl" line 690)
[10:11] <Mulreay> invoked from within
[10:11] <Mulreay> "source scripts/egg-fu_2.0.2.tcl"
[10:11] <Mulreay> (file "eggdrop.conf" line 1416)
[10:11] <Mulreay> [16:57] * CONFIG FILE NOT LOADED (NOT FOUND, OR ERROR)
[10:11] <Mulreay> c:\Windrop>
[10:11] <@BC_Programming> alright... and what happens when you try my changes?
[10:12] <@BC_Programming> that's the old stuff
[10:12] <Mulreay> ##set bdate [split [concat [exec date +%m/%d/%Y@%H:%M]] @]
[10:12] <Mulreay> set bdate [split [concat [strftime "%a %b%e %T %Z %Y ]] @]
[10:12] <@BC_Programming> replace the entire procedure
[10:12] <@BC_Programming> the entire thing
[10:12] <Mulreay> ????
[10:12] <@BC_Programming> from proc getdate {arg} {
[10:12] <Mulreay> I have commented out the first line..
[10:13] <@BC_Programming> to the next squiggly bracket after the group of ifs.
[10:13] <@BC_Programming> and replace that entire thing with the code from pastebin
[10:13] <@BC_Programming> strftime was not suggested by me
[10:13] <@BC_Programming> that was the alternate fork you guys were working on
[10:15] <@jacky> BC_Programming: I doubt Mulreay understood you, when you said to replace the procedure
[10:15] <@jacky> I doubt he knows where it starts, and where it ends
[10:15] <@jacky> you will have to describe
[10:15] <Mulreay> set bdate [split [concat [exec cmd /c date /t +%m/%d/%Y@%H:%M]] @]
[10:16] <Mulreay> ##set system [split [concat [exec cmd /c date /t +%m/%d/%Y@%H:%M]] @]
[10:16] <Mulreay> There the same
[10:16] <@BC_Programming> I just described it... from the line proc getdate {arg} {
[10:16] <@BC_Programming> to the next squiggle bracket
[10:16] <@BC_Programming> actually
[10:16] <@BC_Programming> here's an idea
[10:16] <@BC_Programming> why don't I just upload the entire changed script somewhere so we don't have to bother with this copy paste stuff
[10:17] <@jacky> pastebin it
[10:17] <Mulreay> that would be easier...
[10:18] <@BC_Programming> http://pastebin.com/m5e29451a
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[10:20] <@jacky> heheeh and don't copy the first one
[10:20] <@jacky> scroll down, and copy the second one
[10:20] <@jacky> else, you have hundreds of line numbers, to edit otu
[10:20] <@jacky> out
[10:20] <@BC_Programming> mmm
[10:20] <@BC_Programming> delicious line numbers
[10:22] <Mulreay> OK all changed over..
[10:22] <@BC_Programming> did you remove the juicy morsels of line numbers?
[10:22] <Mulreay> Of course
[10:22] <@BC_Programming> it's important that the scrumptious bytes are not there
[10:23] <@BC_Programming> heh
[10:23] <@BC_Programming> bytes
[10:23] <@BC_Programming> now then
[10:24] <Mulreay> Whatever Bc your just annoying me now... Jacky will catch you later thanks for the help
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[10:25] <@BC_Programming> now then was kind of asking, for him to try running it again
[10:25] <@BC_Programming> dammit
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[10:36] <@jacky> sorry.. this computer is slowly dieing
[10:36] <@jacky> sudden reboot
[10:37] <@jacky> what'd I miss?
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[10:37] <@BC_Programming> not much
[10:37] <@BC_Programming> mulray basically just left without confirming any results
[10:37] <@BC_Programming> so you know that was a great waste of time there for the last hour or so
[10:37] <@jacky> yesterday, he seemed to be having a lot of connection problems
[10:37] <@BC_Programming> apparently I was annoying him or something
[10:37] <@jacky> maybe that ?
[10:38] <@BC_Programming> no
[10:38] <@jacky> oh
[10:38] <@BC_Programming> it was his quit message...
[10:38] <@BC_Programming> and
[10:38] <@BC_Programming> <Mulreay> Whatever Bc your just annoying me now... Jacky will catch you later thanks for the help
[10:38] <@jacky> doing a !rerun here now
[10:38] <@jacky> brb
[10:39] <@jacky> humph...
[10:39] <@jacky> that was interesting
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[10:39] <@jacky> rats.. there goes pottsi
[10:39] <@jacky> hehee
[10:39] <@BC_Programming> they're dropping like flies!
[10:39] <@jacky> I'd just replied to him, when I got dumped
[10:39] <@jacky> a while ago
[10:40] <@jacky> I have a windrop test bot
[10:40] <@jacky> I'll find the pastebin in a minute, and try it
[10:40] <@jacky> ok?
[10:41] <@BC_Programming> oh ok
[10:41] <@BC_Programming> good idea
[10:41] <@jacky> is this it? http://pastebin.com/m5e29451a
[10:41] <@jacky> just to be sure...
[10:41] <@BC_Programming> yeppper
[10:41] <@jacky> give me a few
[10:41] <@jacky> brb
[10:44] <@jacky> 
[10:44] <@jacky> errors out.. here is part of it:
[10:44] <@jacky> 
[10:44] <@jacky> [12:43] couldn't create error file for command: no such file or directory
[10:44] <@jacky> while executing
[10:44] <@jacky> "exec cmd /c date /t +%m/%d/%Y@%H:%M"
[10:44] <@jacky> (procedure "getdate" line 2)
[10:44] <@jacky> 
[10:44] <@jacky> and this is mentioned, specifically, here:
[10:44] <@jacky> brb
[10:44] <@jacky> http://forum.egghelp.org/viewtopic.php?t=17306
[10:44] <@BC_Programming> it works for me
[10:44] <@jacky> if that helps you to make more edits.
[10:44] <@jacky> let me know
[10:44] <@jacky> you are not running it in the bot, are you?
[10:45] <@BC_Programming> nope
[10:45] <@jacky> :)
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[11:01] <camerongray> brb
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[11:01] <@jacky> BC_Programming: any luck?
[11:02] <@BC_Programming> wit hwhat? I'm not changing anything
[11:02] <@BC_Programming> I'm done with that
[11:02] <@jacky> sigh
[11:02] <@jacky> I thought you wanted me to test it
[11:02] <@BC_Programming> yes and I thank you for that
[11:02] <@jacky> and I was waiting for your fix, after I reported to you
[11:02] <@BC_Programming> but the fact that the environments are so different that something that works fine for me fails with teh bot
[11:03] <@BC_Programming> well it makes it kind of futile
[11:03] <@jacky> why? that is the very purpose of this.. to get it to work with bot
[11:03] <@jacky> from the start
[11:04] <@BC_Programming> it makes it futile because it'll just be me randomly changing stuff
[11:04] <@jacky> random?
[11:04] <@BC_Programming> and hoping it works... since testing it on my end is apparently completely useless
[11:04] <@BC_Programming> well obviously not random
[11:04] <@jacky> the thread I gave you a link to, addressed the exact problem, at least I think so
[11:09] <@BC_Programming> http://pastebin.com/m616d2d9
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[11:12] <jjs999jjs> jacky ?
[11:12] <jjs999jjs> do you have tim efor a question
[11:12] <jjs999jjs> time for
[11:14] <@jacky> kind of talking elsewhere at the moment
[11:14] <jjs999jjs> k no worries
[11:14] <@jacky> if you have patience for slow replies from me here....
[11:14] <jjs999jjs> no its fine
[11:14] <jjs999jjs> :)
[11:14] <jjs999jjs> later
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[13:50] <@street1> jjs999jjs is back --> Hello:)
[13:50] <jjs999jjs> hey street1
[13:51] <jjs999jjs> people were looking for you
[13:51] <jjs999jjs> jacky i think
[13:51] <@street1> He will be back in bout 3 hours. :)
[13:52] <jjs999jjs> aye
[13:52] <jjs999jjs> I like him he is a decent guy
[13:53] <@street1> you ARE rubbish street1--LOL
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[14:21] <Craig> Hi all
[14:21] <jjs999jjs> hi Craig
[14:21] <Craig> Hey question for you
[14:21] <jjs999jjs> wow
[14:21] <jjs999jjs> for me?
[14:22] <Craig> Do you have a script that changes your status or something at night?
[14:22] <jjs999jjs> ehhrm
[14:22] <jjs999jjs> well I just started using a bnc
[14:22] <jjs999jjs> so when i go offline
[14:22] <jjs999jjs> it changes my nick to jjs999jj/offline
[14:23] <Craig> Can you remove that, cause you flood the room with nick changes all night
[14:23] <jjs999jjs> I spoligise for the stupid messing about earlier in the week
[14:23] <jjs999jjs> well its stopped now
[14:23] <jjs999jjs> since i got it set up
[14:24] <Craig> uh huh
[14:24] <Craig> I see,
[14:24] <jjs999jjs> but if it comtinues then kick/ban me.
[14:24] <Craig> We already kicked you once,
[14:24] <jjs999jjs> cos i cant see if i aint here but it should be sorted now
[14:24] <jjs999jjs> yes I know
[14:24] <Craig> Curious,
[14:25] <Craig> what does your nick stand for anyway?
[14:25] <jjs999jjs> I was inexperienced and never realised the fact I was leaving joining etc
[14:25] <jjs999jjs> whilst setting it up
[14:25] <Craig> ah
[14:25] <jjs999jjs> i was so engrossed trying to sort it
[14:25] <jjs999jjs> sorry
[14:26] <Craig> Curious, what does your nick stand for anyway?
[14:26] <jjs999jjs> Johnny
[14:26] <jjs999jjs> James
[14:26] <jjs999jjs> Spencer
[14:26] <jjs999jjs> my name
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[14:26] <jjs999jjs> I tried to get jjs years ago when i was with aol
[14:26] <Craig> and the 999jjs repeated?
[14:26] <jjs999jjs> and i tried so many different names that i ended up in a rage
[14:26] <jjs999jjs> typing jjs999jjs
[14:26] <camerongray> Hey Craig
[14:26] <jjs999jjs> and it stuck with me all this time
[14:26] <Craig> Hey Cameron,
[14:27] <Craig> check out my update for my church website! www.rdsda.com
[14:27] <Craig> I see
[14:27] <camerongray> checking...
[14:27] <camerongray> This PC is being slower than my old one!
[14:27] <Craig> :p
[14:27] <jjs999jjs> cameron
[14:27] <jjs999jjs> you from old reekie ?
[14:28] <camerongray> yep
[14:28] * jjs999jjs is a weegie
[14:28] <camerongray> how did you know
[14:28] <camerongray> lol
[14:28] <jjs999jjs> someone mentioned
[14:28] <camerongray> ahh
[14:28] <jjs999jjs> although they said you lived in Saughton
[14:28] <jjs999jjs> :)
[14:29] <camerongray> lol
[14:29] <camerongray> I don't - Fairmilehead
[14:30] <jjs999jjs> aye I dont know edinburgh
[14:30] <jjs999jjs> at all
[14:30] <jjs999jjs> for the usual reasons
[14:30] <jjs999jjs> :)
[14:30] <camerongray> lol
[14:30] <jjs999jjs> that 44 mi les could be 440
[14:30] <camerongray> who was it?
[14:30] <jjs999jjs> I dujnno
[14:30] <Craig> Hey Cameron,
[14:30] <Craig> ... :P
[14:30] <jjs999jjs> someone asked me where I was from I said Scotland Uk like i always do they said hey you might kn ow camerongray
[14:31] <camerongray> ahh
[14:31] <camerongray> Most people know I'm from edinburgh but they don't know enough about it to know saughton
[14:31] <Craig> Thats like saying someone is from Manitoba, and telling them they might know me....
[14:31] <jjs999jjs> yeh it is craig
[14:32] <Craig> Cameron, what do you think of the site?
[14:32] <camerongray> yeh - that always happens - "Oh you're from scotland, do you know bob"
[14:32] <jjs999jjs> its cool Craig
[14:33] <Craig> Hahaha, I know that, I mean is there anything you notice that is wrong with the site? any problems, or things that could use tweaking
[14:33] <camerongray> nope - looks great
[14:33] <jjs999jjs> yes PasTor
[14:33] <Craig> hahaha... not really helping... :P
[14:34] <Craig> PasTor?
[14:34] <jjs999jjs> Our Senior Pasor Ian Hartley
[14:34] <jjs999jjs>
[14:34] <Craig> Fixed that
[14:36] <jjs999jjs> axtually
[14:36] <jjs999jjs> actually
[14:36] <jjs999jjs> its very nice
[14:36] <jjs999jjs> no BS just info
[14:36] <Craig> :P
[14:36] <Craig> Well, the site needs a bit of tweaking still, the info is a bit out of date,
[14:36] <Craig> but I will get there,
[14:36] <jjs999jjs> Craig
[14:37] <Craig> Yo
[14:37] <jjs999jjs> the email request
[14:37] <jjs999jjs> disclaimer ?
[14:37] <Craig> What page, where?
[14:37] <jjs999jjs> saying we do not give out etc etc etc
[14:37] <jjs999jjs> http://96.51.19.214:8080/rdsda.com/prayer-requests
[14:37] <Craig> Ok, what about it?
[14:37] <jjs999jjs> you need one ?
[14:37] <Craig> Ah,
[14:37] <Craig> You think so?
[14:37] <jjs999jjs> yes well let me explain why i do
[14:37] <jjs999jjs> because if it was me...
[14:38] <jjs999jjs> i wont send
[14:38] <Craig> Try this one, http://www.rdsda.com/rdsda.com/information/legal-info/legal-info
[14:38] <jjs999jjs> but if I see the disclaimer
[14:38] <jjs999jjs> yes i got ya
[14:38] <Craig> :)
[14:38] <jjs999jjs> but
[14:38] <Craig> hmmm
[14:38] <jjs999jjs> when people want to email they like to see the fact that you WILL NOT use the emails for anything pother than said purpose
[14:39] <jjs999jjs> and it MIGHT stop someone from sending a request
[14:39] <Craig> This is true,
[14:39] <jjs999jjs> and tbh
[14:39] <jjs999jjs> that is one way you will see the busyness of the site
[14:39] <jjs999jjs> I know cos I made a hotel site
[14:39] <Craig> Haha, I have google Analytics for that,
[14:39] <Craig> :p
[14:39] <jjs999jjs> smart a rse
[14:39] <jjs999jjs> :0
[14:39] <Craig> Tells me EVERYTHING they do... :P
[14:40] <Craig> and how long their at it,
[14:40] <jjs999jjs> you just need a small disclaimer though since you have that massive encyclopedia
[14:40] <Craig> :p
[14:40] <jjs999jjs> to re-assure
[14:40] <jjs999jjs> just before they send
[14:40] <jjs999jjs> imho
[14:41] <Craig> ... question is how to word it... Hmmmm
[14:42] <jjs999jjs> We do not use this information to personally identify individual users. nor will we share email to any third party, nor use email addresses for any other reason other than to send prayer requests.
[14:42] <jjs999jjs> something like that ?
[14:43] <jjs999jjs> also.....
[14:43] <Craig> How is this, http://96.51.19.214:8080/rdsda.com/prayer-requests
[14:44] <jjs999jjs> no
[14:44] <jjs999jjs> join both paragraphs
[14:44] <Craig> ?
[14:45] <Craig> ok refrech
[14:45] <Craig> refresh*
[14:45] <jjs999jjs> yup
[14:45] <jjs999jjs> also
[14:45] <jjs999jjs> "The following is a list of all our Web site operators that may be collecting or maintaining personal information from children."
[14:45] <jjs999jjs> yet nothing below this mark
[14:46] <Craig> Ah,
[14:46] <jjs999jjs> http://96.51.19.214:8080/rdsda.com//rdsda.com/information/legal-info/legal-info
[14:46] <Craig> thats in the legal
[14:46] <Craig> hmmm
[14:46] <jjs999jjs> see it ?
[14:46] <jjs999jjs> sorry I dont mean to be picky
[14:47] <Craig> heh, thats exactly what I want
[14:48] <Craig> Ok, check out the ammedment
[14:49] <jjs999jjs> nice
[14:49] <Craig> I really wish the old site had the Canadian standards setup...
[14:49] <jjs999jjs> also
[14:49] <Craig> Right now its running under american laws.. which.. are not fully correct...
[14:50] <jjs999jjs> If you are certain you have the correct web address but are encountering an error, please contact the
[14:50] <jjs999jjs> If you are certain you have the correct web address but encounter an error, please contact the
[14:50] <Craig> What page were you trying to get tpo?
[14:51] <jjs999jjs> Adventists believe a Trinity of three persons--the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit--make up one God. They made salvation possible when Jesus, the Son, came to earth as a baby in Bethlehem and lived a sinless life in accordance with the Father's will. When Jesus was crucified for the sins of the people of the world and arose from the dead on the third day, victory was won for everyone. More >>
[14:51] <jjs999jjs> about-us
[14:53] <jjs999jjs> actually you have done a great job
[14:54] <Craig> Oh there is an error on that page?
[14:54] <jjs999jjs> yeh
[14:54] <jjs999jjs> and also
[14:54] <jjs999jjs> the wording
[14:54] <Craig> haha, well, I didnt make the wording but if you can think of a way to fix it
[14:54] <jjs999jjs> imho you could change it to ...
[14:54] <jjs999jjs> If you are certain you have the correct web address but encounter an error, please contact the
[14:54] <jjs999jjs> rather than
[14:54] <jjs999jjs> If you are certain you have the correct web address but are encountering an error, please contact the
[14:55] <Craig> Ok, retry the link,
[14:55] <Craig> as for the error, I have yet to figure out how to change those... :S
[14:56] <Craig> You know it took me almost 9 hrs of work to change the Theme?
[14:56] <Craig> Though now all I need to do is change the pictures and Vualla new theme!
[14:57] <jjs999jjs> aye
[14:57] <jjs999jjs> get joomla
[14:57] <Craig> joomla?
[14:57] <jjs999jjs> and not plone
[14:57] <jjs999jjs> www.aftonhi.com
[14:57] <jjs999jjs> www.webcom-online.co.uk
[14:57] <Craig> Hahaha, you dont know how long I have been working on this Plone site...
[14:57] <jjs999jjs> hey no offence
[14:58] <Craig> Did you know that the Plone site I am using is hosted on my own computer here in my house?
[14:59] <Craig> By the way, no offence taken, just saying that it would take a very long time to transfer the site again... :S
[14:59] <Craig> There is like 3GB of Audio files that would need to be transferred...
[15:00] <Craig> (The sermons page was my Zest du resistance
[15:00] <Craig> I have no idea if that spelling is right... hahahaha, its french, I dont speak or spell french...
[15:01] <jjs999jjs> piest or something
[15:01] <Craig> hahaha, no worries
[15:01] <jjs999jjs> well I have over 24gb of music on my site
[15:02] <jjs999jjs> and 30 million joomla sites cannot be wrong
[15:02] <jjs999jjs> :)
[15:02] <Craig> But you probably have a FTP protocol you can use.
[15:02] <jjs999jjs> and now u have mastered plone
[15:02] <jjs999jjs> well ftp is free
[15:02] <jjs999jjs> and
[15:02] <jjs999jjs> I have unlimited webspace and unlimited traffic
[15:02] <Craig> Plone is secure because there is no way to connect to it other then directly to the site,
[15:02] <Craig> Me as well, :)
[15:02] <jjs999jjs> well try to connect to my site other than directly
[15:02] <jjs999jjs> you mean
[15:03] <Craig> There is no FTP connection, there is no Background way to upload,
[15:03] <jjs999jjs> ok
[15:03] <Craig> its all site controlled,
[15:03] <jjs999jjs> so you say you have unlimited webspace?
[15:03] <Craig> Yup
[15:03] <jjs999jjs> you mean on yr pc
[15:03] <jjs999jjs> rather than on a server
[15:03] <Craig> Add a harddrive, ooh, more space, :P
[15:03] <Craig> Its a server,
[15:03] <Craig> just a home computer server,
[15:03] <jjs999jjs> so when u turn yr pc off the site goes off ?
[15:04] <Craig> Camerongray is hosting a site on my server as well,
[15:04] <Craig> I havent turned off that PC in uhhh like 15 days?
[15:04] <Craig> it hasnt moved either...
[15:04] <jjs999jjs> :)
[15:04] <jjs999jjs> well you impress me sir
[15:04] <Craig> well thats not entirely true...
[15:04] <Craig> it has moved, but I never did shut it down...
[15:04] <jjs999jjs> I mean i am thick as shi*
[15:04] <jjs999jjs> but I have 27 websites
[15:04] <jjs999jjs> or so
[15:05] <Craig> I have probably 9
[15:05] <jjs999jjs> all on my one server hjosting account
[15:05] <Craig> And 3 bots hosted from my computer.,
[15:05] <jjs999jjs> hosting*
[15:05] <Craig> cool,
[15:05] <jjs999jjs> but to host them from my pc
[15:05] <jjs999jjs> would be well.......
[15:05] <Craig> The only thing that seems to stop my Plone server from doing anything is portal_view_customizations
[15:06] <jjs999jjs> so what happens when people want to download stuff
[15:06] <Craig> I have two computers,
[15:06] <Craig> Download something, you tell me?
[15:06] <jjs999jjs> like the music stuff
[15:06] <Craig> the sermons page is what that is for,
[15:06] <jjs999jjs> or do they simply order it online?
[15:06] <Craig> go take a look, :P
[15:06] <jjs999jjs> ah yeh I see it sorry
[15:06] <jjs999jjs> i was on it actually
[15:06] <Craig> :P
[15:06] <jjs999jjs> lol
[15:06] <jjs999jjs> ok so there are no samples etc ?
[15:07] <Craig> I ofcourse can look at it and download at 2.2MB/s so I dont see what you see... :P
[15:07] <jjs999jjs> smaer arse :)
[15:07] <Craig> :p
[15:07] <jjs999jjs> wtf is wrong with this k/b
[15:07] <jjs999jjs> smart arse :)
[15:07] <jjs999jjs> ah better
[15:08] <Craig> So how fast are you downloading from the site?
[15:08] <Craig> I never have gotten a benchmark
[15:08] <Craig> I mean your in the UK, so that should be a good understanding
[15:08] <jjs999jjs> no wait I aint downloading a nything
[15:08] <Craig> awww
[15:08] <jjs999jjs> what can I download like?
[15:08] <Craig> Anything
[15:08] <jjs999jjs> wait
[15:08] <jjs999jjs> i see an error
[15:08] <Craig> A sermon would probably be best.
[15:08] <jjs999jjs> spell0r
[15:08] <Craig> Whats the error?
[15:09] <jjs999jjs> Young MissionPerson
[15:09] <jjs999jjs> no space ?
[15:09] <Craig> what page?
[15:09] <jjs999jjs> or is MissionPerson
[15:09] <jjs999jjs> one word?
[15:09] <jjs999jjs> siyabonga joe
[15:09] <Craig> Not sure, what page?
[15:09] <Craig> That was typed up by my Pastors wife... :S
[15:09] <jjs999jjs> still wrong
[15:09] <jjs999jjs> imho
[15:09] <jjs999jjs> should I email her
[15:09] <jjs999jjs> :)
[15:09] <Craig> fixed
[15:10] <Craig> She doesnt have a communication page on the site,
[15:10] <jjs999jjs> shi* I need to register
[15:10] <jjs999jjs> i hate jesus stuff
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[15:10] <Craig> Oh hey you should check out the contact us page, and look at how you e-mail the people,
[15:10] <jjs999jjs> no offence
[15:10] <Craig> What do you mean register? why do you need to register?
[15:10] <jjs999jjs> to download a sermon
[15:10] <Craig> I wasnt expecting you to listen to it...
[15:11] <Craig> Which one? that is an error.
[15:11] <Craig> you should be able to download with out loggin ing
[15:11] <Craig> in*
[15:11] <jjs999jjs> 1st one
[15:11] <jjs999jjs> making marraige meaningfool
[15:11] <jjs999jjs> :) ^^
[15:11] <Craig> one sec
[15:12] <Craig> Ok, try again
[15:12] <jjs999jjs> 13kb ps and climbing btw
[15:12] <Craig> cool,
[15:12] <Craig> let me know when it peaks,
[15:12] <Craig> I know that seems bad, but it is coming from a home connection not a corporate one.. :P
[15:13] <jjs999jjs> yehb ut my connection is shi* at this hour
[15:13] <jjs999jjs> ok error
[15:13] <jjs999jjs> sign up thingy
[15:13] <jjs999jjs> weekly sending
[15:13] <Craig> Oh ok
[15:13] <jjs999jjs> The error has been logged as entry number 1265408014.130.44630017637.
[15:13] <Craig> hmmm
[15:13] <jjs999jjs> wtf
[15:14] <jjs999jjs> it then showed me a naked womans picture?
[15:14] <Craig> That means it was a actual site errir
[15:14] <Craig> error
[15:14] <Craig> hahaha, I doubt that
[15:14] <jjs999jjs> :)
[15:15] <Craig> So you couldnt get into the signup form?
[15:15] <jjs999jjs> 17kb per second btw
[15:16] <Craig> Yeah, I dont expect too much faster then that, unless you have a download optimizer
[15:16] <jjs999jjs> nope just tried again
[15:16] <Craig> hmmm
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[15:16] <Craig> Even if you go here, http://96.51.19.214:8080/rdsda.com/sermons/weeklysending/
[15:16] <jjs999jjs> thats the page
[15:17] <jjs999jjs> where I sign and it errors my ass
[15:17] <Craig> hmmm
[15:17] <Craig> Interesting
[15:17] <Craig> I will have to test with a larger base, cause I can select it no problems.
[15:19] <jjs999jjs> well let me try a diff browser
[15:19] <jjs999jjs> ok?
[15:19] <Craig> sure
[15:19] <Craig> What were you trying it in?
[15:19] <jjs999jjs> opera
[15:19] <Craig> Interesting
[15:20] <jjs999jjs> same in maxthon
[15:20] <Craig> I have never heard of that browser?
[15:20] <Craig> You got FF or IE?
[15:20] <Craig> Or Safari?
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[15:21] <jjs999jjs> error in maxthon opera and ff
[15:22] <Craig> Hmmm
[15:22] <Craig> strange...
[15:22] <Craig> Same error eh?
[15:22] <jjs999jjs> yes exactly
[15:22] <jjs999jjs> and sorry but i refuse to use ie
[15:22] <Craig> weird.
[15:23] <Craig> hahaha, no worries, I understand.
[15:23] <jjs999jjs> databse?
[15:23] <Craig> What do you mena?
[15:23] <Craig> mean*
[15:23] <jjs999jjs> do you use a database?
[15:24] <Craig> Kinda, depends on the page, and what your accessing,
[15:24] <jjs999jjs> well
[15:24] <jjs999jjs> the sign up page does it utilise one?>
[15:24] <Craig> the whole site is one large Database, but there are smaller sub-databases
[15:24] <jjs999jjs> to store signups etc
[15:24] <Craig> That form, is kinda a database inside a database, and such,
[15:25] <jjs999jjs> aye so
[15:25] <jjs999jjs> perhaps u need check the details
[15:26] <jjs999jjs> lol
[15:26] <jjs999jjs> aint I kind
[15:26] <Craig> Hmmmm, I will have to try that same page on a different connection... I dont know whats wrong there.
[15:26] <jjs999jjs> but...
[15:26] <jjs999jjs> let me ask someone
[15:26] <Craig> ... lol, well I can register just fine... :P
[15:26] <jjs999jjs> who is a million miles away from me?
[15:26] <Craig> I just got the two e-mails
[15:26] <jjs999jjs> wait
[15:26] <Craig> hahaha, Cameron sure isnt... :p
[15:26] <jjs999jjs> register same as sign up ?
[15:27] <Craig> Yeah
[15:27] <Craig> Wait! npo
[15:27] <Craig> no.
[15:27] <Craig> That is a registration form to recieve whatever you put into the feilds,
[15:27] <jjs999jjs> my issue is with sign up
[15:27] <jjs999jjs> I wanna sign up for sermons
[15:27] <Craig> As in signing up for the website, or to receive sermons,
[15:28] <jjs999jjs> sign up to receive sermons
[15:28] <Craig> The Registration form is the same one you and I are talking about, Signup is just the name I used on the form.
[15:28] <jjs999jjs> is my issue
[15:28] <jjs999jjs> If you would like to sign up to have sermons e-mailed to you, you can sign up here.
[15:28] <jjs999jjs>
[15:28] <Craig> To register for the site is on a completely different page,
[15:28] <jjs999jjs> error city
[15:28] <Craig> yeah
[15:28] <Craig> for you.. :P
[15:28] <Craig> I wish BC was online, he could try,
[15:28] <jjs999jjs> so Scotland is banned>?
[15:28] <Craig> hahaha, apparently.,
[15:29] <jjs999jjs> well let me try England :)
[15:29] <Craig> :P
[15:29] <Craig> Oxford, and Stevenage, <- the two UK cities visiting my site, atleast once,
[15:30] <jjs999jjs> nah
[15:30] <jjs999jjs> thats the base for their exchanges or the providers
[15:30] <Craig> hahah, I mean in the past 35 days, minus today till midnight,
[15:30] <jjs999jjs> no one in Oxford wants the Lord
[15:30] <Craig> Yeah pretty much
[15:30] <Craig> hahahaha why do you say that?
[15:30] <jjs999jjs> cos they are educated
[15:31] <jjs999jjs> science based
[15:31] <jjs999jjs> physics etc
[15:31] <jjs999jjs> oh wait
[15:31] <jjs999jjs> are you ehhrm a jesus lad ?
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[15:31] <Craig> You would be suprised how much about that, I know... and I am still a believer,
[15:31] <jjs999jjs> sory if i said anything disrespectful
[15:31] <jjs999jjs> hey pottsi
[15:32] <jjs999jjs> damn now i am listening to Pastor Hodgkins
[15:32] <Craig> Heh, no worries, I know what you mean,
[15:32] <Craig> Heh, he's not bad, he is interesting
[15:32] <pottsi> hello
[15:32] <jjs999jjs> craig
[15:32] <jjs999jjs> [22:32] Groucho: We're sorry, but there seems to be an error?
[15:32] <jjs999jjs> The error has been logged as entry number 1265409127.890.313528433122.
[15:32] <jjs999jjs>
[15:32] <jjs999jjs> If you need to report this to the site administration, please include this entry number in your message.
[15:32] <Craig> Hi Pottsi,
[15:32] <pottsi> hi Craig
[15:32] <Craig> ... crap...
[15:32] <Craig> Where you from Pottsi?
[15:33] <jjs999jjs> Craig thats a Leeds IE browser
[15:33] <Craig> leeds?
[15:33] <pottsi> manchester
[15:33] <Craig> Ah,
[15:33] <pottsi> you?
[15:33] <Craig> hahaha, thats still UK, :P
[15:33] <Craig> Alberta Canada
[15:33] <pottsi> sweet
[15:33] <jjs999jjs> Craig built a website which does nto allow Uk people to praise the Lord
[15:33] <Craig> hahahaahahahaha
[15:33] <pottsi> heh
[15:34] <Craig> well, atleast not register on the signup form...
[15:34] <Craig> They can still download the sermons,
[15:34] <Craig> :P
[15:34] <jjs999jjs> aye
[15:34] <jjs999jjs> get it fixed
[15:34] <jjs999jjs> redo the whole thing
[15:34] <Craig> Hahaha, there is a city called Ipswitch,
[15:34] <jjs999jjs> with a blue theme
[15:34] <jjs999jjs> :)
[15:34] <Craig> Why blue?
[15:34] <jjs999jjs> Ipswich
[15:34] <jjs999jjs> was a joke
[15:34] <Craig> yeah.
[15:34] <jjs999jjs> lol
[15:35] <Craig> Current database size: 5081.3M
[15:35] <jjs999jjs> far too large
[15:35] <Craig> Thats how big my servers sites are
[15:35] <jjs999jjs> i hope the Lord is paying for some of it
[15:35] <Craig> I have 320GB open for the whole server,
[15:36] <Craig> Running on a Raid 1
[15:36] <jjs999jjs> as I said
[15:36] <jjs999jjs> smart arse
[15:38] <Craig> http://96.51.19.214:8080/rdsda.com/sermons/test/ try this one
[15:39] <jjs999jjs> perfect
[15:39] <jjs999jjs> Thank you for registering, we will contact you shortly.
[15:39] <jjs999jjs> You provided the following information:
[15:39] <jjs999jjs> Name: Jabberwocky Plumlington
[15:39] <jjs999jjs> Email: freethedevil@god.com
[15:39] <Craig> ....
[15:40] <Craig> hahah, so my other page must be corrupt to the UK becaues of the old version... I update the form tool many times...
[15:40] <jjs999jjs> although it returns me to
[15:40] <jjs999jjs> Test
[15:40] <jjs999jjs> Test registration form - Old one may be too old...
[15:40] <jjs999jjs> Sign up now!
[15:40] <jjs999jjs> Registration deadline: 2012/02/10 11:00:00 US/Mountain
[15:40] <jjs999jjs> Registration is full
[15:40] <Craig> Hahahaha
[15:40] <Craig> 1 waiting list person, sorry...
[15:40] <Craig> ok try again
[15:40] <jjs999jjs> wtf is US/Mountain
[15:41] <Craig> Mountain time is the timezone I am in
[15:41] <Craig> US is becaues the americans are picky...
[15:41] <jjs999jjs> We're sorry, but there seems to be an error?
[15:41] <jjs999jjs> The error has been logged as entry number 1265409677.610.542848790934.
[15:41] <jjs999jjs> If you need to report this to the site administration, please include this entry number in your message.
[15:41] <Craig> I am in Timezone -7
[15:41] <Craig> hahahaha
[15:41] <Craig> what the heck...
[15:41] <jjs999jjs> sorry Thats the original
[15:41] <Craig> Oh ok
[15:41] <jjs999jjs> oops
[15:41] <jjs999jjs> no
[15:41] <Craig> ?
[15:41] <jjs999jjs> no sign up
[15:41] <Craig> huh?
[15:42] <jjs999jjs> its fool
[15:42] <Craig> You just tried?
[15:42] <jjs999jjs> aye
[15:42] <Craig> Once more?
[15:42] <jjs999jjs> aye I know :)
[15:42] <jjs999jjs> nope
[15:42] <Craig> Well look at that, its full!?
[15:42] <jjs999jjs> thats rubbish
[15:43] <Craig> Try again
[15:43] <jjs999jjs> I need the Lord
[15:43] <Craig> :p
[15:43] <jjs999jjs> Thank you
[15:43] <jjs999jjs> Thank you for registering, we will contact you shortly.
[15:43] <jjs999jjs> You provided the following information:
[15:43] <jjs999jjs> Name: second tester freeme
[15:43] <jjs999jjs> Email: test@test.com
[15:43] <Craig> hahah, there you go,
[15:44] <jjs999jjs> 'back' returns me to test page
[15:44] <Craig> so I have to have a large waiting list then...
[15:44] <Craig> yeha
[15:44] <Craig> supposed to,
[15:49] <Craig> Ok, Can you go back to sermons and let me know how the new registration form looks to you?
[15:49] <jjs999jjs> ok
[15:50] <Craig> So needs to be rewritten... :S
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[15:51] <Craig> Hey Jacky,
[15:51] <jjs999jjs> hey jacky old boy
[15:51] <Craig> got some time on your hands?
[15:51] <@jacky> Craig: Hello
[15:51] <@jacky> jjs999jjs: Hello
[15:52] <@jacky> in about 45 min, I hope to
[15:52] <jjs999jjs> I got sorted jacky I think
[15:52] <Craig> Oh ok
[15:52] <@jacky> just popping in for like 5 to 10 min now
[15:52] <@jacky> what's up?
[15:52] <Craig> ok
[15:52] <@jacky> jjs999jjs: ok
[15:52] <Craig> I was going to ask you to give my site a one over, see if you can spot anything I need to fix
[15:52] <@jacky> post the link,
[15:52] <@jacky> sure
[15:52] <Craig> 308 absolutly unique visitors!
[15:52] <@jacky> some looking now
[15:52] <@jacky> some looking later
[15:52] <@jacky> :)
[15:52] <Craig> http://www.rdsda.com
[15:53] <Craig> cool,
[15:53] <@jacky> change the url.. it sucks
[15:53] <@jacky> <g>
[15:53] <jjs999jjs> Thank you for registering, we will contact you shortly.
[15:53] <jjs999jjs> You provided the following information:
[15:53] <jjs999jjs> Name: thirdtest yesthird
[15:53] <jjs999jjs> Email: third@third.com
[15:53] <@jacky> how's that for quick
[15:53] <@jacky> heheehehe
[15:53] <jjs999jjs> quality craig
[15:53] <Craig> why does it suck?
[15:53] <jjs999jjs> he is joking
[15:53] <@jacky> don't know.. just made it up
[15:53] <Craig> thanks jjs
[15:53] <@jacky> :)
[15:53] <Craig> hahaha
[15:53] <@jacky> heheeh
[15:53] <@jacky> jjs999jjs: what is a reg for?
[15:53] <Craig> Hey jjs, you know I cant delete registrants out of that stinking form eh!?
[15:53] <Craig> ... ...
[15:53] <jjs999jjs> in what context ?
[15:54] <jjs999jjs> oops why not craig
[15:54] <Craig> hahaha, I dont know why, I just cant... or dont know how... :S
[15:54] <jjs999jjs> edit the database
[15:54] <Craig> I am looking into that...
[15:54] <jjs999jjs> wat database is it
[15:54] <jjs999jjs> sql ?
[15:54] <jjs999jjs> mysql
[15:54] <Craig> Python
[15:54] <@jacky> Craig: first impression: very slick, looks good
[15:55] <Craig> Thanks,
[15:55] <@jacky> Craig: question: are website supposed to somehow, magically, know the resolution of the browser, and adjust to fit?
[15:55] <jjs999jjs> yes
[15:55] <@jacky> I've gotten used to it, usally, and scroll left and right
[15:55] <jjs999jjs> :)
[15:55] <@jacky> and I have to, on yours
[15:55] <jjs999jjs> wat browser u use jacky?
[15:55] <@jacky> didn't know if that was ok with you, or what
[15:55] <@jacky> FF
[15:55] <Craig> Muhahahaha, got it, you have been deleted!
[15:56] <jjs999jjs> nice work sir
[15:56] <Craig> This site is set to be 939px wide, sorry there Jacky, were phasing out 1024x768 sorry...
[15:56] <@jacky> ok, I guess
[15:56] <Craig> ... Sorry... :S
[15:56] <@jacky> is that supposed to mean something to me?
[15:57] <Craig> What you do you mean?
[15:57] <Craig> The deleted comment?
[15:57] <@jacky> no... the 939 and 1024 stuff
[15:57] <Craig> Oh,
[15:57] <Craig> 939px wide is how wide the site is on your screen,
[15:57] <jjs999jjs> but jacky
[15:57] <@jacky> it was directed to me, and I it doesn't mean anything to me...
[15:57] <jjs999jjs> I use
[15:57] <jjs999jjs> ff now and it fits to my sc reen
[15:57] <jjs999jjs> are u on laptop ?
[15:57] <@jacky> no
[15:57] <Craig> you run 1024x768 as a resolution on your screen ther Jacky,
[15:58] <jjs999jjs> a gas powered pc ?
[15:58] <@jacky> I don't think so
[15:58] <@jacky> 800x600
[15:58] <jjs999jjs> :)
[15:58] <Craig> Oh,
[15:58] <Craig> well... thats... yeah...
[15:59] <@jacky> you asked what browser, and went to this... what is the connection to FF?
[15:59] <Craig> .... slightly smaller then I have ever dealt with...
[15:59] <jjs999jjs> you say THAT to all the boys
[15:59] <Craig> ?
[15:59] <@jacky> is the site supposed to adjust to it?
[15:59] <jjs999jjs> nm
[15:59] <jjs999jjs> no
[15:59] <jjs999jjs> jacky
[15:59] <jjs999jjs> cos its plone
[15:59] <jjs999jjs> :)
[15:59] <Craig> Well, it can, but I dont have it setup for that,
[15:59] <@jacky> I just thought I'd let you know...
[15:59] <@jacky> you asked
[15:59] <@jacky> :)
[15:59] <Craig> if you have too small a screen then its just scrolled,
[16:00] <jjs999jjs> aye
[16:00] <jjs999jjs> jacky can I ask
[16:00] <@jacky> too small?
[16:00] <jjs999jjs> why u use that res ?
[16:00] <Craig> Which is annoying, but atleast its standard,
[16:00] <@jacky> it is like 17 inch
[16:00] <pottsi> that what she said
[16:00] <pottsi> xD
[16:00] <@jacky> jjs999jjs: it looks good
[16:00] <Craig> then why do you run 800x600?
[16:00] <jjs999jjs> jacky get sorrted
[16:00] <@jacky> I don't like the tiny little-ness of higher res
[16:00] <Craig> Are you running a CT Monitor?
[16:00] <Craig> ah
[16:01] <@jacky> CRT
[16:01] <Craig> yeah... crt...
[16:01] <@jacky> I don't know what CT is...
[16:01] <Craig> :p
[16:01] <@jacky> ok
[16:01] <jjs999jjs> matters not
[16:01] <jjs999jjs> in the early 60's I used a higher res than that jacky :))
[16:01] <Craig> Well, 800 on a CRT would look nice,
[16:01] <Craig> 60's?
[16:01] <@jacky> jjs999jjs: ok. but.. so what? :)
[16:01] <jjs999jjs> lol
[16:01] <Craig> they didnt run computers back then...
[16:01] <jjs999jjs> ha ha ha
[16:01] <jjs999jjs> but seriously jacky
[16:02] <jjs999jjs> craig (it was a joke)
[16:02] <Craig> ... :P
[16:02] <jjs999jjs> get woith the prog
[16:02] <Craig> missed it...
[16:02] <jjs999jjs> higher res
[16:02] <Craig> I am a bit of a litteral person...
[16:02] <jjs999jjs> more to do
[16:02] <jjs999jjs> literal
[16:02] <@jacky> sure.. send me the money. np
[16:02] <jjs999jjs> aspie ?
[16:02] <jjs999jjs> NO jacky
[16:02] <jjs999jjs> crt monitors do hiuger than 800 m8
[16:02] <@jacky> then don't tell me what to do. :)
[16:02] <jjs999jjs> tell ?
[16:02] <jjs999jjs> no way sir
[16:03] <jjs999jjs> ok can yr monitor go higher res ?
[16:03] <@jacky> probably.
[16:03] <@jacky> why?
[16:03] <Craig> hahhaa,
[16:03] <jjs999jjs> just imho
[16:03] <Craig> He just doesnt understand you Jacky.
[16:03] <jjs999jjs> you may wish to try it
[16:03] <@jacky> I'm very easy to understand
[16:03] <jjs999jjs> agreed ^^
[16:03] <Craig> Hahaha my server cant go any lower then 1024x768... :P
[16:03] <@jacky> jjs999jjs: I already said, I don't like the tiny little-ness of things
[16:04] <@jacky> brb... something came up
[16:04] <Craig> ok
[16:04] <jjs999jjs> ah sorry i missed THAt part jacky
[16:04] * jjs999jjs hugs jacky naked
[16:04] <jjs999jjs> let that be a lesson to you
[16:04] <@jacky> correction... back in like 30 min... sorry
[16:04] <jjs999jjs> ok jacky
[16:04] * Craig threatens jjs "Hug me naked and somebody's gonna loose some extremidies"
[16:05] <jjs999jjs> extremities
[16:05] <jjs999jjs> you mean like my nose?
[16:05] <Craig> that works as well,
[16:05] <jjs999jjs> lol
[16:05] <jjs999jjs> ok so the site rocks
[16:05] <jjs999jjs> seriously
[16:05] <Craig> Thanks,
[16:05] <jjs999jjs> not cos it works (now)
[16:05] <jjs999jjs> but cos it works...............
[16:05] <Craig> Wanna see the original theme?
[16:05] <jjs999jjs> stfu bot
[16:05] <jjs999jjs> aye
[16:06] <Craig> This is what I converted it from, http://www.freecsstemplates.org/preview/offlimits
[16:06] <jjs999jjs> I am more impressed
[16:07] <jjs999jjs> did u consider making a logo ?
[16:07] <Craig> Crap, they changed Facebook again!
[16:07] <Craig> A logo?
[16:07] <Craig> there is a Logo,
[16:07] <jjs999jjs> cactus?
[16:07] <Craig> http://96.51.19.214:8080/rdsda.com/portal_skins/custom/Logo.png
[16:07] <Craig> Course you may not be able to view that directly... ?
[16:07] <jjs999jjs> I can
[16:08] <Craig> oh ok
[16:09] <Craig> I just forgot to look at that aspect of things, sometimes things in the portal_skins factory are not visible,
[16:09] <Craig> Thats the logo, whats wrong with it?
[16:09] <jjs999jjs> well
[16:09] <jjs999jjs> not a thing
[16:09] <Craig> :P
[16:10] <jjs999jjs> but...
[16:10] <Craig> So why do I need to make a logo then?
[16:10] <jjs999jjs> where is the cross etc ?
[16:10] <Craig> In the book, under the flame
[16:10] <jjs999jjs> lol
[16:10] <jjs999jjs> ok
[16:11] <Craig> :P Gotta look for this stuff, Adventists are good at the incorporation of items... :P
[16:11] <jjs999jjs> :)
[16:12] <jjs999jjs> aye its all subliminal
[16:12] <Craig> hahaha, kinda
[16:12] <Craig> There is an explanation of how that image comes together, but I dont remmeber it at the moment.
[16:13] <jjs999jjs> very poor
[16:13] <Craig> what do you mean?
[16:13] <jjs999jjs> dont you think you SHOULD know?
[16:13] <jjs999jjs> :))
[16:13] <Craig> hahahah
[16:13] <jjs999jjs> ^^ joke
[16:13] <Craig> Maybe, but thats not my primary concern,
[16:13] <jjs999jjs> do u like music?
[16:13] <Craig> I am more focused on the site,
[16:13] <Craig> Yeah, I listen to lots of music
[16:13] <jjs999jjs> wat kind
[16:13] <Craig> Christian music,
[16:14] <Craig> all kinds
[16:14] <jjs999jjs> all kinds of Christian music?
[16:14] <jjs999jjs> or simply all kinds
[16:14] <Craig> All kinds of Christian music
[16:14] <jjs999jjs> :)
[16:14] <Craig> Except screamo and such... like metal or heavy stuff... Those arent really christian... :S
[16:15] <jjs999jjs> ouch
[16:15] <Craig> what?
[16:16] <Craig> I say that because you cannot release anger, and be following God, since according to Corinthians 13, Love is patients kindness and such,
[16:17] <jjs999jjs> wow cool
[16:17] <Craig> What?
[16:17] <jjs999jjs> well I used to go to church can recite all the old testament books
[16:17] <Craig> Cool,
[16:17] <Craig> I still have trouble with the ones before Zacharia, but really, those are mean names to put in a song... :S
[16:17] <Craig> :P
[16:17] <jjs999jjs> although I miss the transcripts of Phillip
[16:17] <jjs999jjs> ha ha
[16:18] <Craig> I dont remmeber that book, but that doesnt mean much... :S
[16:18] <jjs999jjs> Phillip the disciple
[16:19] <Craig> Haha, I am saying that my memory of the Bible is a little Hazy,but that doesnt mean he isnt in there, ;P
[16:19] <Craig> Any more advise for the site?
[16:20] <jjs999jjs> advice
[16:20] <Craig> ... yeah
[16:20] <jjs999jjs> i am still looking though it
[16:20] <jjs999jjs> :)
[16:20] <Craig> Cool,
[16:20] <jjs999jjs> also
[16:20] <Craig> Hey Hey, did you take a look at the fundamental beliefs page?
[16:20] <Craig> yes?
[16:20] <jjs999jjs> nope
[16:20] <jjs999jjs> wait
[16:20] <jjs999jjs> let me do this one thing
[16:20] <jjs999jjs> brb
[16:20] <Craig> ok
[16:34] <jjs999jjs> k sorry
[16:34] <jjs999jjs> ok so whats this I need to check out
[16:34] <Craig> No worries
[16:35] <Craig> One sec
[16:35] <Craig> http://96.51.19.214:8080/rdsda.com/information/about-us/aboutsda/fundamental <- this page
[16:35] <Craig> what do you think of the way the page expands?
[16:36] <jjs999jjs> wow
[16:36] <jjs999jjs> sorry
[16:36] <jjs999jjs> I wasnt even looking
[16:36] <Craig> hahahah
[16:36] <jjs999jjs> this is <censored> hot
[16:36] <jjs999jjs> sorry bot
[16:36] <Craig> heh?
[16:36] <jjs999jjs> i amlooking at the years stuff
[16:36] <jjs999jjs> where you click on the year
[16:36] <Craig> Yeah,
[16:36] <Craig> that too
[16:37] <Craig> Those are actually the same tools that the Managers history uses in the page,
[16:37] <Craig> so I can Hide elements untill clicked on,
[16:37] <Craig> The old site had js to hide till you hovered over it, but then you couldnt select the text, it bothered me
[16:37] <jjs999jjs> well
[16:37] <jjs999jjs> this is great
[16:37] <jjs999jjs> and tbh
[16:38] <jjs999jjs> you need to cater for some people who dont like technology
[16:38] <jjs999jjs> and simply want the 'word'
[16:38] <jjs999jjs> and you done this imho
[16:38] <Craig> How do you mean?
[16:38] <jjs999jjs> well some people who worship..........may not be techminded
[16:38] <jjs999jjs> stfu bot
[16:38] <Craig> hhahahah
[16:39] <Craig> I know what you mean, though isnt there an explanation, to click the text to expand the explanation?
[16:39] <jjs999jjs> read above
[16:39] <jjs999jjs> <jjs999jjs> you need to cater for some people who dont like technology
[16:39] <jjs999jjs> <jjs999jjs> and simply want the 'word'
[16:39] <jjs999jjs> <jjs999jjs> and you done this imho
[16:39] <Craig> Alright, I guess I dont understand?
[16:39] <jjs999jjs> I mean YOU done it GREAT
[16:39] <jjs999jjs> perfect almost
[16:39] <Craig> haha, I see,
[16:39] <jjs999jjs> not too tech
[16:40] <Craig> so since you say almost, what else could I do?
[16:40] <jjs999jjs> I only added almost since you cannot be perfect :)
[16:40] <Craig> hahaha, I see
[16:41] <Craig> well, usually it means there is something that can be upgraded, or fixed,
[16:41] <jjs999jjs> when we get engrossed we sometimes forget the person who will use the site but you have not done this...........
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[16:41] <Craig> you could just say that its well done, :p
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[16:41] <Craig> ... welcome back
[16:41] <jjs999jjs> stupid bot
[16:41] <Craig> hahaha
[16:41] <jjs999jjs> cos of . .
[16:41] <Craig> he is dedicated,
[16:41] <Craig> yeah
[16:41] <jjs999jjs> he will be dessicated very shortly
[16:42] <jjs999jjs> <jjs999jjs> when we get engrossed we sometimes forget the person who will use the site but you have not done this
[16:42] <Craig> good luck, he's on my server, and I can always pull ServerBot in here...
[16:42] <jjs999jjs> which is great
[16:42] <jjs999jjs> you seem to have kept the 'viewer' at the forefront
[16:42] <Craig> Thats the idea
[16:42] <jjs999jjs> you knwo the story of the fishes
[16:42] <jjs999jjs> loaves etc
[16:42] <Craig> Hahaha, you should see how much background power I have, I mean, when I am producing extra stuff,
[16:43] <Craig> yeah
[16:43] <jjs999jjs> well
[16:43] <jjs999jjs> THAT used to annoy me
[16:43] <jjs999jjs> like how the **** can he feed 5,000
[16:43] <jjs999jjs> but then a priest told me a story
[16:43] <jjs999jjs> like
[16:43] <jjs999jjs> back then
[16:43] <jjs999jjs> no one had a refridgerator to keep food cool
[16:43] <jjs999jjs> so they usually carried it salted
[16:43] <jjs999jjs> so
[16:43] <Craig> Yeah,
[16:43] <jjs999jjs> on this day
[16:44] <jjs999jjs> your man said let us eat
[16:44] <jjs999jjs> and everyone dug iunto their coat and shared
[16:44] <jjs999jjs> which is simply more acceptable
[16:44] <Craig> Thats not the way it goes in Greek,
[16:44] <Craig> which is more accuratly translated to, Jesus broke the bread and gave enough to everyone,
[16:45] <Craig> of the five loaves and three fish,
[16:45] <Craig> It may not seem plausible, but at the same time, if God created the earth, whats to stop his Son, who believes in him completely, from sharing what he creates?
[16:45] <jjs999jjs> I dont believe that
[16:45] <jjs999jjs> sorry
[16:45] <jjs999jjs> i am more pragmatic
[16:46] <jjs999jjs> I can accept the story i told
[16:46] <jjs999jjs> sorry as was told to me
[16:46] <Craig> Alright, so, leaving that story asside,
[16:46] <jjs999jjs> aside
[16:46] <Craig> what else about the bible do you have problems with? Or difficulties?
[16:46] <jjs999jjs> ok so King Constantine
[16:47] <jjs999jjs> who was the boss of Pagans
[16:47] <jjs999jjs> yes ?
[16:47] <Craig> not fully sure,
[16:47] <Craig> continue though
[16:47] <jjs999jjs> ok he was
[16:47] <jjs999jjs> on his death bed (almost)
[16:47] <jjs999jjs> he saw the power of the up and coming christians
[16:48] <jjs999jjs> and was worried for his sons
[16:48] <jjs999jjs> reign
[16:48] <jjs999jjs> so
[16:48] <jjs999jjs> (the story goes)
[16:48] <jjs999jjs> he amalgamated christians and pagans
[16:48] <jjs999jjs> hence why we worship on a SUNday
[16:49] <jjs999jjs> and the stories of jesus were simply tales related frmo a mixture of pagans and christians
[16:49] <Craig> Not entirely (In my understanding correct)
[16:50] <Craig> The christians and Jews actually went to worship both on the same day (Saturday) all the way up till around 100AD,
[16:50] <Craig> the reason the christians mostly all switched to sunday were they were being percecuted with the Jews by the Romans,
[16:50] <Craig> the for a long time worshipped on the same day as the Jews, and also on Sunday,
[16:51] <jjs999jjs> The Roman Emperor Constantine the Great converted to Christianity following his victory at the Battle of Milvian Bridge in 312. Under his rule, Christianity rose to become the dominant religion in the Roman Empire, and for his example of a "Christian monarch" Constantine is revered as a saint in the Eastern Orthodox Church and Oriental Orthodox Church. Not only the details of his adoption of Christianity make the religious beliefs
[16:51] <jjs999jjs> of Constantine I interesting; theologians and historians alike have argued about the question to which form of Christianity Constantine ultimately converted, with regard to the legitimation of religious persecution.
[16:51] <jjs999jjs> Though Emperor Constantine I had been exposed to Christianity by his mother, St. Helena, there is scholarly controversy as to whether he adopted his mother's Christianity in his youth, or whether he adopted it gradually over the course of his life.[1] Whatever the case, Constantine's endorsement of the tradition was a turning point for Early Christianity. In 313, Constantine issued the Edict of Milan, legalizing Christian worship,
[16:51] <jjs999jjs> and the emperor would be a great patron of the Church and set a precedent for the position of the Christian Emperor within the Church and the notion of orthodoxy that would be followed for centuries. See also Christendom.
[16:51] <Craig> heh, where you getting that?
[16:51] <jjs999jjs> wikipedia
[16:51] <Craig> HAHAHA,
[16:51] <jjs999jjs> I added it :)
[16:51] <Craig> that is not a complete or fully accurate site eh.
[16:52] <jjs999jjs> unless someone like me reads up on it and studies it carefully before adding it :)
[16:52] <Craig> That may be true, but how can you garentee the validity of that which you studied?
[16:53] <jjs999jjs> as i ask to you the same q
[16:53] <jjs999jjs> because someone writes does nto make it true :)
[16:53] <Craig> Mine was studied for the past 60 years, by hundreds of scholars inside and outside of my church, :)
[16:53] <jjs999jjs> why only 60 years
[16:53] <jjs999jjs> I mean Joseph Smith was handed small tablets from the Lord
[16:54] <jjs999jjs> hence jehovahs Witnesses
[16:54] <Craig> That is debatable,
[16:54] <jjs999jjs> and they swear by it
[16:54] <jjs999jjs> also
[16:54] <jjs999jjs> mormonism allow many wives
[16:54] <Craig> The things they were taught also conflict with the bible,
[16:54] <jjs999jjs> and hey they swear by it
[16:54] <jjs999jjs> the bible
[16:54] <Craig> I understand this,
[16:54] <jjs999jjs> they have their own bible
[16:54] <jjs999jjs> in Fact i have one here
[16:54] <Craig> They do, but they also refer to the other bible,
[16:55] <jjs999jjs> the other bible
[16:55] <jjs999jjs> well does it not become a fact that the 'bible' was changed (adapted to suit)
[16:55] <jjs999jjs> since the old testament
[16:55] <jjs999jjs> was the word
[16:55] <jjs999jjs> and yet
[16:55] <jjs999jjs> we now see a new testament
[16:55] <Craig> I mean, they have their main bible, and refer to the generic bible as the other bible.
[16:55] <jjs999jjs> but hey how can there be a NEW testamenet
[16:55] <jjs999jjs> the testament IS the testament
[16:56] <jjs999jjs> I mean how many times can it be adapted to suit
[16:56] <Craig> The Old and New testament were combined at one time, the Old testament did not exsist as a coherent piece before I believe the councel of Trent
[16:56] <jjs999jjs> no wait
[16:56] <jjs999jjs> they were not
[16:56] <Craig> Yes they werem
[16:56] <jjs999jjs> hence the word NEW
[16:56] <Craig> .
[16:56] <jjs999jjs> so what you are saying is we had TWO testaments?
[16:56] <Craig> New and old are seperated by Jesus, and his Death, and what lead up to it,
[16:56] <jjs999jjs> and why was Phillip not included?
[16:57] <Craig> I dont know who Philip is,
[16:57] <Craig> That is something I would have to ask my pastor,m
[16:57] <jjs999jjs> why is that ?
[16:57] <Craig> Lack of memory, not really sure,
[16:57] <Craig> could be a number of reasons,
[16:57] <jjs999jjs> he was a disciple of jesus though
[16:57] <Craig> I dont know who he is though,
[16:57] <Craig> I know Paul,
[16:58] <Craig> And peter,
[16:58] <jjs999jjs> he came from the City of Bethsaida
[16:58] <Craig> so on...
[16:58] <Craig> hhe, sorry Bethsaida, (Game company, struck a chord...)
[16:58] <jjs999jjs> lol
[16:58] <Craig> anway,
[16:58] <jjs999jjs> be careful of the ...
[16:58] <jjs999jjs> can get kicked
[16:58] <Craig> I am not sure why I dont know who he is,
[16:58] <Craig> Only if you do 9 or more of a consecutive letter,
[16:59] <Craig> for example, ........
[16:59] <jjs999jjs> but he is mentioned in all four apostolic lists
[16:59] <Craig> or .........
[16:59] <Craig> Where are those found?
[16:59] <jjs999jjs> like Matthew mark Luke and acts
[16:59] <Craig> Ah,
[16:59] <jjs999jjs> in the ehhrm bible?
[16:59] <Craig> There are lots of nicknames for places and parts of the bible, I was just making sure,
[16:59] <jjs999jjs> no worries
[16:59] <jjs999jjs> no one knows all
[17:00] <Craig> ... I think we should take this conversation elsewhere though, as this is GlitchPC not a religious chatroom... :S
[17:00] <jjs999jjs> aye sorry i was having fun
[17:00] <Craig> No worries, I was just saying,
[17:00] <jjs999jjs> #webcom
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