Session Start: Sun Mar 15 00:00:00 2015 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
[00:00] * Set by jacky on Tue Mar 02 13:03:23
[00:09]<Craig> Cool thanks BC.
[00:09]<Craig> ngiht guys
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[12:48]<@BC_Programming> The out of box experience for any prebuilt PC is a pile of crap
[12:52]<@BC_Programming> damn this is frustrating as hell
[12:55]<@BC_Programming> I wish I could just reinstall on this machine. Leave it to manufacturers to sell garbage
[14:13]<jamer> lol
[14:45]<@BC_Programming> I don't suppose anybody knows how to reinstall Windows 8.1 with an OEM product key
[14:45]<@BC_Programming> The refresh was hilarious, it just made things worse and reinstalled and undid everything I had spent the last 4 hours fixing
[14:57]<jamer> BC_Programming you can get belarc advisor and get the key then use a 8.1 disk
[14:59]<jamer> its an embedded key isnt it?
[15:00]<@BC_Programming> Belarc advisor didn't show it
[15:00]<@BC_Programming> not sure
[15:01]<@BC_Programming> the Windows Refresh also downgraded it to Windows 8 from 8.1 and now Windows Update doesn't work, so that's fun
[15:01]<@BC_Programming> On the bright side I was able to enable Windows Defender so there is that I guess
[15:19]<jamer> its in software licenses
[15:20]<@BC_Programming> I'll have to take another look, I got windows update to work though so it might not matter
[15:21]<@BC_Programming> just need to update it to 8.1 and 8.1 Update 1 again. I'm just amazed at how awful the preinstallation environment is. It took over 10 minutes for control panel to open before I removed a bunch of their background crap
[15:27]<jamer> http://i.imgur.com/nRKNvKn.gifv
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[16:11]<@BC_Programming> oh wow 1.5GB of updates
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[17:13]<+camerongray> Hey Craig
[17:14]<+camerongray> BC_Programming: What machine is this? Consumer lenovo?
[17:14]<Craig> Hey Cam, happy 21st, :)
[17:14]<+camerongray> lol, thanks
[17:14]<Craig> !rerun
[17:14]<+camerongray> Only 2 days ago :P
[17:14]<@BC_Programming> cam: Lenovo G505
[17:14]<Craig> Hmm is that not the command?
[17:14]<@BC_Programming> Before superfish nonsehse I think
[17:14]<+camerongray> Ahh cool
[17:14]<@BC_Programming> Craig I believe you need to pm the bot?
[17:14]<+camerongray> This is why I only buy business machines, no crap
[17:15]<Craig> yes, that was it thanks BC_Programming
[17:15]<+camerongray> It's strange, in the UK a 21st birthday is a big milestone despite not legally allowing you to do anything different!
[17:15]<@BC_Programming> as it turns out though I celebrated too soon, it was able to find 1.5GB of updates but sat at "0KB 0%" for the last half-hour
[17:16]<Craig> I KNOW HOW TO GET THE KEY FOR WINDOWS AND REINSTALL WIN8.1!!@!!!!
[17:17]<Craig> BC, http://www.nextofwindows.com/how-to-retrieve-windows-8-oem-product-key-from-bios/
[17:17]<@BC_Programming> "answer this survey question to continue" yeah no
[17:18]<Craig> If you have Windows 8 installed and activated
[17:18]<Craig> NirSofts ProduKey is your friend. Its a free portable tool that reveals the keys not only for your installed Windows operating system but also other installed software as well, such as MS Office.
[17:18]<Craig> But if not
[17:18]<Craig> For example, how can I retrieve the key from a downgraded machine that runs Windows 7?
[17:18]<Craig> Thats where RWEverything (Read, Write Everything) comes to rescue. Let me quickly show you how:
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[17:18]<Craig> This one works best, http://rweverything.com/
[17:25]<@BC_Programming> managed to start hte update again, I'll see if it get's anywhere this time
[17:25]<@BC_Programming> I can't believe any company can sell such unusable garbage
[17:25]<@BC_Programming> But, then I remember my Satellite was pretty much trash until a clean install
[17:25]<Craig> If you have an ISO of windows 8.1 you can reinstall windows by deleting the recovery partition.
[17:25]<Craig> to do a clean install.
[17:26]<@BC_Programming> OK, and what if it doesn't work, "oh, sorry, here's your laptop back in a worse state then you gave it to me, oh well"
[17:26]<@BC_Programming> I've already spent way too much time on this... don't know what compelled me to say yes
[17:26]<Craig> Is this for a customer?
[17:27]<+camerongray> BC_Programming: What about imaging the drive first?
[17:27]<@BC_Programming> somebody is paying me to do it so yes technically
[17:27]<Craig> Ahhh
[17:27]<Craig> Yeah I have HDClone, you could backup before playing. :)
[17:28]<@BC_Programming> I should have just left it as it was with the broken Windows Defender, at least then it didn't take 5 minutes (not even an exxageration(!)) to show the start screen after pressing the windows key
[17:28]<Craig> Hahahahahha
[17:30]<@BC_Programming> apparently it is downloading looking at the log, despite reporting 0%, helpful
[17:30]<Craig> Hahahahhahahaa
[17:31]<+camerongray> This is crazy, just got a free 15 year old laptop - Battery still works really well and has a 1600x1200 screen
[17:33]<@BC_Programming> I guess I'll just leave it
[17:33]<@BC_Programming> maybe it will finish
[17:34]<+camerongray> I do actually have a use for this machine though :P - I need a system with legacy ports (Serial, Parallel, floppy, dial up modem.etc)
[17:35]<@BC_Programming> If it was free who cares if you have a use for it :P
[17:35]<+camerongray> My storage space does :P
[17:36]<+camerongray> I now only take machines if they are either useable, refurb and sellable or of some sort of historical/sentemantal significance, or if they are just plain strange
[17:37]<@BC_Programming> I wonder if maybe because there are so many updates it is taking this long just to build the list of things to download? eh
[17:37]<+camerongray> I won't bother with a random P4 machine for example
[17:37]<+camerongray> Unless I wanted to go all vwestlife and throw out my good PC and use that instead because they don't make them like they used to :P
[17:38]<@BC_Programming> yeah I unsubbed him after his idiotic POSReady 2009 thing
[17:38]<@BC_Programming> "herp derp it still get's updates HERP"
[17:38]<+camerongray> We can't let guitar_man know about this though or he'll insist on me being literally the worst person for having a Pentium III laptop and not using it for much because I should give it to people in need or something...
[17:39]<@BC_Programming> guitar_man can shove his chord up his butt
[17:39]<+camerongray> lol!
[17:39]<+camerongray> I told you about when he went totally mental at me about my XT?
[17:39]<@BC_Programming> I believe so, yes
[17:39]<+camerongray> I'm evil for not giving to a school to show kids or something
[17:40]<@BC_Programming> well that's true but I think we've quite handily established guitar_man as being- and let's be charitable here- a complete git
[17:40]<+camerongray> :D
[17:41]<@BC_Programming> I looked it up and this 0% thing is apparently "by design" lol
[17:41]<@BC_Programming> "This happens when there are too many updates to compute progress"
[17:41]<@BC_Programming> because big numbers means the math doesn't work
[17:42]<+camerongray> Wish I'd sent him this though - "Nope, I never use the XT to educate people or let others see it" https://twitter.com/rhiaro/status/474236294714122240
[17:43]<@BC_Programming> I just realized I have lots of room for extra computers
[17:43]<@BC_Programming> I mean I have an entire giant bedroom, practically wasted
[17:44]<+camerongray> This is why you should collect cool, old ones :P
[17:44]<@BC_Programming> hmm ~$350 for an XT dang
[17:44]<+camerongray> Yeah, don't pay that
[17:45]<+camerongray> See if you can find one on an auction that is either badly described or one that is faulty and you could fix
[17:45]<@BC_Programming> ahh clever
[17:45]<+camerongray> For example, mine was listed as an "Original XP machine"
[17:45]<@BC_Programming> it's like when I search ebay for nintondo's
[17:45]<+camerongray> nice!
[17:45]<@BC_Programming> I can see the seller going "why won't anybody buy my Nintondo? it's in good condition"
[17:46]<+camerongray> I either take really historical systems or strange ones
[17:46]<+camerongray> For example I have a PIII machine, not old enough to be "vintage" but the motherboard is on a card that slots in to a backplane, it's crazy
[17:46]<@BC_Programming> "And my Gome boy has zero bids"
[17:46]<+camerongray> I also like alternative architectures
[17:47]<@BC_Programming> Yeah there is a sweet spot price wise, too old to be useful, but too new to be collected (yet)
[17:47]<+camerongray> So far other than X86 I have a bunch of SPARC, a PowerPC and an ARM desktop (from way before ARM was used in smartphones.etc)
[17:48]<@BC_Programming> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/toshiba-satellite-pro-440CDX-laptop-Vintage-untested-/131436221730?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1e9a359522
[17:48]<+camerongray> Nice
[17:48]<+camerongray> I want to get an old Compaq Portable II
[17:48]<@BC_Programming> I have that exact laptop :D... the toshiba I mean
[17:49]<+camerongray> Funny thing is, the reason I want the Compaq Portable (and a few other old Compaqs) is due to their advertising, just a bit late!
[17:49]<+camerongray> For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlmzwZXa-Ww
[17:50]<@BC_Programming> It's interesting that I always forget what a PITA it is fixing other peoples computers. I can fix issues with mine easily since I tend to maintain them and not install crap
[17:51]<@BC_Programming> so somebody is all "my computer is slow maybe you can help" "yeah sure I'll tak a look" then I fire it up and see "PC Optimizer Pro" and like 5 registry cleaners installed "oh dear"
[17:51]<+camerongray> OH yeah, and this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPmiC_Zt88I
[17:52]<+camerongray> They really did take the piss out of IBM :P
[17:52]<+camerongray> I want to get either a PowerPC ThinkPad or yet another different architecture such as Alpha
[17:53]<@BC_Programming> I didn't know thinkpads came in a PowerPC version
[17:54]<+camerongray> They made a couple during the Windows NT days
[17:54]<+camerongray> 800 Series
[17:57]<@BC_Programming> Oh here's something, my old P4 is acting up a bit, it hangs hard after it runs for a while, and won't boot until it's been off for some time
[17:58]<@BC_Programming> I'm thinking motherboard issue
[17:58]<+camerongray> Hmm strange
[17:58]<+camerongray> Not booting after being off could be the PSU
[17:58]<@BC_Programming> well it powers on, but doesn't actually boot
[17:58]<+camerongray> Ahh, strange#
[17:58]<+camerongray> CMOS battery?
[17:59]<@BC_Programming> it does the same thing with my old build's PSU as well
[17:59]<+camerongray> Woop, made my websocket thing work!
[17:59]<@BC_Programming> battery is still 3.4V which should be fine methinks
[17:59]<+camerongray> Trying to make a thing so that two web browsers can send messages in real time to eachother
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