Session Start: Fri Mar 07 00:00:00 2014 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
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[10:10]<@jacky> !seen craig
[10:11]<@BC_Programming> well at least Chanbot is back I Suppose
[10:13]<@jacky> whew...
[10:13]<@jacky> how did we EVER make it??
[10:13]<@jacky> >g<
[10:14]<@jacky> 
[10:14]<@jacky> did Craig say anything?
[10:14]<@jacky> just wondering if all is ok with him....
[10:14]<@BC_Programming> not that I recall, as in, I didn't see him say anything
[10:14]<@jacky> ok
[10:14]<@jacky> tnx
[10:14]<@jacky> by the way
[10:14]<@jacky> how's you?
[10:14]<@BC_Programming> good
[10:14]<@jacky> talk much?
[10:15]<@BC_Programming> just about to build a new computer
[10:15]<@jacky> hehe
[10:15]<@jacky> ah!
[10:15]<@jacky> now there is something interesting
[10:15]<@jacky> buying all new components?
[10:15]<@BC_Programming> yep, except hard drives, since I Just bought these ones, even without that it came to nearly $1700,
[10:15]<@jacky> ( ulp!!)
[10:16]<@jacky> wow
[10:16]<@BC_Programming> this build I'm using now was $810
[10:16]<@jacky> everything is super cutting edge?
[10:16]<@jacky> monitor like a jumbo-tron?
[10:16]<@BC_Programming> I guess so, have to mostly trust camerongray and calum on that one ha
[10:16]<@jacky> oh?
[10:16]<@jacky> you are buying what they recommended?
[10:17]<@BC_Programming> well I had my own original list but revised it based on their recommendations
[10:17]<@jacky> they probably questioned you a bit, and directed you to what you wanted
[10:17]<@jacky> saved you figuring it out for yourself
[10:17]<@jacky> and your budget obviously didn't reign them in
[10:17]<@jacky> heh
[10:17]<@BC_Programming> haha
[10:18]<@jacky> does newegg deal in Canada?
[10:18]<@BC_Programming> yes, they do, newegg.ca, but they won't ship to me for some reason
[10:18]<@jacky> no idea why?
[10:18]<@jacky> that sucks
[10:18]<@BC_Programming> I tried them a few years ago for this build, I forget the reason
[10:18]<@jacky> used to be, they were tough to beat
[10:18]<@jacky> so who will you buy parts from?
[10:19]<@BC_Programming> I'm using tigerdirect.ca which I also used for this system so they've worked for me in the past
[10:19]<@jacky> I think the difference in prices is negligible
[10:19]<@jacky> if I recall
[10:20]<@jacky> so... when are you ordering/getting parts/getting started ?
[10:21]<@BC_Programming> as soon as the transfer from my bank to paypal is completed
[10:21]<@jacky> that would go faster, if you had a new, fast computer
[10:21]<@jacky> heh
[10:22]<@BC_Programming> heheh, not like this one is a slouch either
[10:22]<@jacky> oh.. don't forget... you can just type: /join #computerhope if you need serious, reliable help with that project
[10:22]<@BC_Programming> bahahaha
[10:22]<@jacky> heh
[10:22]<@jacky> keeping the current/soon to be old computer?
[10:23]<@jacky> or selling it?
[10:23]<@BC_Programming> keeping it, I'll be using the hard drives in it for the new computer
[10:23]<@jacky> yep.. you'd mentioned the drives
[10:23]<@BC_Programming> will probably get it some cheaper hard drives later if I decide to set it up, but will likely be a "backup" system in case something goes sour
[10:24]<@jacky> nice...
[10:24]<@BC_Programming> like if the 4GB Graphics card bursts into flames when I power on the new PC
[10:24]<@BC_Programming> 4GB of Graphics Memory, I totally need that for uh... business tasks...
[10:25]<@jacky> you're in the movie business, right?
[10:25]<@BC_Programming> maybe I am, maybe I'm not
[10:25]<@BC_Programming> mostly the latter
[10:25]<@jacky> heh
[10:25]<@jacky> Well.. I hope that transfer happens soon
[10:25]<@jacky> I guess you meant: today
[10:26]<@jacky> and that shipping, etc., goes smooth
[10:26]<@BC_Programming> well I started it yesterday but it takes 6-8 days to transfer
[10:26]<@BC_Programming> just hope the prices don't change too much in the meantime in the positive direction
[10:26]<@jacky> oh! I might have a hot copy of MS-DOS 6.0 if you need it
[10:26]<@jacky> will it handle it?
[10:26]<@jacky> >g<
[10:26]<@BC_Programming> nah, that's too newfangled
[10:26]<@jacky> oh
[10:26]<@jacky> sorry
[10:26]<@jacky> ok
[10:26]<@jacky> hehe
[10:26]<@jacky> 6 to 8 days??
[10:26]<@jacky> huh?
[10:26]<@jacky> what's up with that?
[10:27]<@jacky> isn't it <click> and done?
[10:27]<@BC_Programming> Canadian bank account transfer is 6-8 business days, U.S banks is like 3-4 or something, I don't know why it takes that much time tbh
[10:28]<@jacky> for a couple regular monthly bills... for example, the electric bill
[10:28]<@jacky> I do it online
[10:28]<@jacky> I fill in the little form, part of which is telling it which day to do the payment
[10:28]<@jacky> and it does
[10:29]<@jacky> the earliest I can always pick (the default, actually) is "today"
[10:29]<@jacky> but... maybe this is a different process
[10:29]<@jacky> don't know...
[10:29]<@jacky> it has been AGES since I used pay pal
[10:29]<@BC_Programming> well I think it's because the transfer is enacted with paypal, and not the bank itself, so it has to go through some authorization process or something
[10:29]<@jacky> I see
[10:30]<@jacky> what I do, is my checking account -> the electric company
[10:30]<@jacky> for that example
[10:30]<@BC_Programming> yeah I can do that do for paying bills, pretty much instant
[10:30]<@jacky> 
[10:30]<@jacky> ah
[10:30]<@jacky> ok
[10:30]<@jacky> you need a credit card
[10:30]<@jacky> heh
[10:30]<+camerongray> Hey jacky & BC_Programming
[10:30] * @jacky does the Happy Dance
[10:31]<@BC_Programming> hmm a credit card might make buying things online easier
[10:31]<+camerongray> :D
[10:31]<@BC_Programming> but there is a such thing as "too easy" :P
[10:31]<+camerongray> Can't you just get a debit card?
[10:31]<@BC_Programming> I have one...
[10:31]<@jacky> BC_Programming: that's the idea
[10:31]<@jacky> heh
[10:31]<+camerongray> Ahh, doesn't work online?
[10:31]<@jacky> camerongray: I have never heard anything good about debit cards
[10:31]<@jacky> why do people even use them?
[10:31]<@BC_Programming> you can't buy things online with a bank debit card, unless you mean a credit/debut card thing, like one of those thigns you fill up
[10:31]<+camerongray> I don't trust myself with a credit one :P
[10:32]<+camerongray> Ahh - Must be different over there
[10:32]<@jacky> camerongray: learn
[10:32]<@jacky> hehe
[10:32]<+camerongray> I have a Visa Debit card - Works everywhere online
[10:32]<@jacky> camerongray: it is like a full bottle of liquor. One must control oneself.
[10:32]<@jacky> :)
[10:32]<+camerongray> lol
[10:32]<@BC_Programming> yeah that's the fill-up thing
[10:32]<+camerongray> Nah, mine works off my current account
[10:32]<@jacky> I have a Visa credit card. Since '82, I think. I have to remember to use it once in a while.
[10:32]<+camerongray> I buy something - It takes the money striaght out the account
[10:33]<@jacky> Usually, I use a Discover Card.
[10:33]<@BC_Programming> oh, it's probably because it can work via Visa or something, like used anywhere that takes Visa
[10:33]<+camerongray> Yeah
[10:33]<+camerongray> They are dead common over here - Anyone with a bank account gets one
[10:33]<@BC_Programming> mine is just a Canada Trust Access Card, when I use it it needs me to enter my PIN and all that
[10:33]<@jacky> camerongray: post the number and pin, and BC will check it out for you...
[10:34]<+camerongray> haha
[10:34]<@BC_Programming> yes I can verify it's integrity
[10:34]<@jacky> strange (and short) CC number you have there
[10:34]<@jacky> "haha"
[10:34]<@jacky> hehehehe
[10:34]<+camerongray> Mine needs a pin at an ATM or a password online
[10:34]<+camerongray> Which is one of those really awkward "Enter the 5th, 3rd and 9th digit of your password"
[10:35]<@BC_Programming> yeah I only have the first one, they probably provide some capability for that but I haven't looked at it
[10:35]<@jacky> BC_Programming: seriously, if you get a real credit card... and don't do anything stupid... it can help build your credit
[10:35]<+camerongray> ahh
[10:36]<@jacky> just pay it off every month...
[10:36]<@BC_Programming> dang provincial guvment ruined my credit
[10:36]<@jacky> not as much boost to your credit, but still good
[10:36]<@jacky> oh?
[10:36]<@jacky> how so?
[10:37]<@BC_Programming> Mandatory Provincial Health Insurance
[10:37]<@jacky> how does that ruin one's credit?
[10:37]<@BC_Programming> because I stopped paying it :P
[10:38]<@jacky> ah
[10:38]<@jacky> like our Obamy-Care, I guess
[10:38]<@BC_Programming> apparently "mandatory" is a guideline
[10:38]<@jacky> apparently, it is NOT a guideline
[10:38]<@jacky> heh
[10:38]<@BC_Programming> well true, but they haven't sent any ninja's
[10:39]<@jacky> here, they say they will just sic the IRS on you
[10:39]<@jacky> time will tell
[10:39]<@BC_Programming> and because my tax return is federal they shouldn't be able to take that, heheh, STICK IT PROVINCE
[10:39]<@jacky> ahh
[10:39]<@jacky> I didn't catch that nuance
[10:39]<@jacky> sorry
[10:40]<@BC_Programming> as I Understand it, part of the Canadian federal budget from Taxes is doled out to each province for Healthcare, only British Columbia accepts that tax money and turns around and charges people for the thing which that tax is for
[10:40]<@jacky> ya gotta luv 'em for that
[10:41]<@jacky> do they tell you that it is good for you, too?
[10:41]<@BC_Programming> probably
[10:41]<@BC_Programming> I did get some entertainment from their angry bills
[10:41]<@BC_Programming> "WE WILL GARNISH YOUR WAGES!"
[10:41]<@jacky> did they?
[10:41]<@BC_Programming> that was 6 years ago, they are taking their time on that one
[10:41]<@jacky> heh
[10:42]<@jacky> but.. is whatever they did enough to keep you from getting a credit card?
[10:42]<@BC_Programming> I don't know, I just know it eventually went to collections
[10:42]<@jacky> give it a whirl then
[10:42]<@jacky> can it hurt to apply and try?
[10:43]<@BC_Programming> I imagine I could if I really wanted to get a Credit Card with my bank, I mean if I have a lot of money in my account(s) that probably get's factored in too
[10:44]<@jacky> I believe they look at past credit (that the Catch-22), ability to pay, current debts, and a BIG black mark is lateness or failure to pay a debt.
[10:44]<@jacky> they actually rate it better if you pay off a debt in regular payments over time, rather than ... for example... pay the balance on a credit card bill off, every month.
[10:45]<@jacky> however, that is what I do
[10:45]<@jacky> I can't afford to pay the interest.. it is nuts
[10:45]<@BC_Programming> yeah they are like 15% or something for some of them
[10:45]<@jacky> if everybody did what I do... use the cc for MY convenience, then they would go out of business
[10:45]<@jacky> so are closer to %30... I think that happens if you screw up
[10:46]<@BC_Programming> yeah they make their killing on the people that end up with such a high balance that they struggle to just pay the interest
[10:46]<@jacky> they start you at what you said, then nail you later
[10:46]<@jacky> I just round off the bill
[10:46]<@jacky> if I owe them $91.00, I send $100
[10:47]<@jacky> because I've probably already spent $20 or more on gas, by the time the bill comes from the previous month
[10:47]<@jacky> it makes the math easy, on my end
[10:47]<@jacky> heh
[10:47]<@BC_Programming> so where is your interest then?
[10:47]<@jacky> I haven't paid them one dime in interest. Ever
[10:47]<@BC_Programming> "oh I overpayed, consider it a loan"
[10:47]<@jacky> 
[10:47]<@jacky> <@jacky> if everybody did what I do... use the cc for MY convenience, then they would go out of business
[10:47]<@jacky> 
[10:47]<@jacky> I use it for simple things.. gas, groceries
[10:48]<@BC_Programming> yeah but I mean, if they can charge you 30%, if you pay more than your bill you should be able to do the same, heheh
[10:48]<@jacky> not EVERYTHING, like some people do
[10:48]<@jacky> oh.. hehee... I get your point
[10:48]<@jacky> it does come in handy though... you know... like once every 12 years, when I buy new computer parts
[10:48]<@jacky> hehehehe
[10:48]<@BC_Programming> 12 years sounds about right
[10:49]<@jacky> the world revolves around credit cards anymore though
[10:49]<@jacky> it does make it simple, with online stuff... or if just walking back into some store to return something
[10:49]<@jacky> I do not have a pocket full of them though... not like some folks
[10:50]<@jacky> I have friends that have trouble with them
[10:50]<@jacky> or have had
[10:50]<@BC_Programming> they met unfortunate accidents
[10:50]<@jacky> one friend did that... cut his up
[10:50]<@jacky> if that is how he had to do... to manage them... then so be it
[10:51]<@jacky> personally, I think his problem was over when wife #2 left
[10:51]<@jacky> heh
[10:51]<@BC_Programming> ah yes that old hat
[10:52]<@jacky> is spring coming, up there? even a hint of it?
[10:52]<@jacky> we just got ANOTHER snow, Monday past
[10:52]<@jacky> melted by now.. just the big piles left
[10:52]<@BC_Programming> yeah same here actually, we got like 3 feet
[10:53]<+camerongray> It snowed today here :P
[10:53]<@BC_Programming> which is quite atypical for february
[10:53]<@jacky> today... Windy and cold... above freezing... but will chill you to the bone, the instant you step out
[10:53]<+camerongray> Which is weird because it's abnormally warm
[10:53]<@jacky> BC_Programming: very weird... as it is March
[10:53]<@jacky> heh
[10:53]<@BC_Programming> last Monday was February though :P
[10:54]<@BC_Programming> or the one before that
[10:54]<@jacky> Monday past was March 3
[10:54]<@jacky> hehehehe
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[10:54]<@BC_Programming> meant the one before that
[10:54]<@jacky> Whoooooooooo are you?
[10:54]<@jacky> BC_Programming: ragging on you....
[10:54]<jamer> ???
[10:54]<@jacky> here, I think the average is 53 high and 33 low
[10:54]<@BC_Programming> so 2.33Ghz Quad Core to a 3.5Ghz i7, 16GB of DDR3 RAM, a 4GB Graphics card, and USB 3.0
[10:54]<@jacky> and we ain't getting there, yet
[10:55]<@BC_Programming> And I'll be able to virtualize OS/2 with VMWare
[10:55]<@jacky> BC_Programming: I don't stay current. is i7 more than 4 cores?
[10:55]<@jacky> what os will you run?
[10:55]<@BC_Programming> I think it's 4 cores, but they all have hyperthreading and whatnot
[10:55]<@jacky> OS/2 ?? :)
[10:55]<@jacky> Warp4 ?
[10:55]<@BC_Programming> probably Windows 7
[10:56]<@jacky> not Windows 8, eh?
[10:56]<@BC_Programming> I should actually use Windows 8.1 on my desktop rather than just telling people how great it is on the laptop I use 10 minutes out of a week
[10:57]<@jacky> Is AMD 'out' now? It always seemed to me that for a few months or so, Intel would be 'the best', then it would flip flop for a while, and so on.
[10:57]<@BC_Programming> I don't really know actually, cam might :P model numbers and stuff are all random gibberish to me
[10:57]<@jacky> a 4GB Graphics card, <<< how much cost?
[10:58]<@jacky> ok on AMD vs. Intel
[10:58]<@BC_Programming> $529
[10:58]<@jacky> whew
[10:58]<@jacky> although some can cost more, can't they?
[10:59]<@jacky> I bet that thing will heat your house
[10:59]<@BC_Programming> yeah, you could drop several thousand just on a graphics card if you were insane
[10:59]<@jacky> speaking of which... what are you using for a power supply?
[10:59]<@BC_Programming> Corsair RM650, 650 Watt Modular Power Supply
[10:59]<@jacky> "... if you were insane" <<< you want me to check? by typing: /join #computerhope ??
[11:00]<@jacky> 650w is enough, eh?
[11:00]<@jacky> I'd have thought with a high dollar card like that, that it would need a lot of juice
[11:00]<@BC_Programming> yeah apparently components have gotten more efficient
[11:00]<@jacky> apparently components have gotten more efficient <<< so get bigger components!! :)
[11:01]<@BC_Programming> the PSU in this system I have is 750W for example, I was expecting to need more power but according to camerongray that's overkill now
[11:01]<@jacky> "now", eh?
[11:01]<@jacky> interesting....
[11:01]<@jacky> you could alwasy become an apprectice welder, on the side
[11:02]<@BC_Programming> I wanted to get the same case I used for this one
[11:02]<@BC_Programming> but they don't sell it anymore, which seems dumb
[11:02]<@BC_Programming> I mean it's not like case technologies are some sophisticated field of research
[11:02]<@jacky> "if it ain't broke, and you have a master's degree in marketing... fix it anyway"
[11:02]<@jacky> what case is it that you like?
[11:03]<@jacky> brand name
[11:03]<@BC_Programming> ended up with a thermaltake, tried to find one that was reasonably plain and not one of those frilly ones
[11:03]<@jacky> trying to remember the name of this one... heheeh
[11:03]<@jacky> big name
[11:04]<@jacky> it is plain jane
[11:04]<@jacky> all black
[11:04]<@BC_Programming> Cooler Master?
[11:04]<@jacky> not that one
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[11:05]<@BC_Programming> of course the computer is only half of what I want to replace... already have a nice new keyboard, mouse is starting to be a bother so ought to replace that, and hey this monitor is nearly a decade old now too... upgrade ALL of the things!
[11:06]<@jacky> I assumed you were... for that kind of $$$
[11:06]<@BC_Programming> heh that amount is the motherboard, CPU, graphics card, case, RAM, and power supply, and that's it
[11:08]<@jacky> do you have to hew out the inside compartment of the case? Solid gold is easy to work with, you know.
[11:08]<@BC_Programming> heh
[11:09]<@jacky> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042
[11:09]<@BC_Programming> I definitely leaned towards the higher end, I look forward to the instant deprecation
[11:09]<@BC_Programming> ooh I like that case
[11:10]<@BC_Programming> and there is a newer version... hmm
[11:10]<@BC_Programming> I could go for this: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8699552&CatId=3427
[11:10]<@jacky> I notice it says that there is a newer model... havent' looked close yet, but maybe on USB 2.0 -> 3.0 is the only difference
[11:11]<@BC_Programming> yeah that looked to be the main difference
[11:11]<@jacky> If I recall, that case was recommended to me by Calum, after he probed my mind for what I wanted, and budget
[11:11]<@jacky> for me.. it is fine. It sits there. heheeh
[11:11]<@BC_Programming> for reference the one I have in mind is this one: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8894504&sku=JHE-102324016 I Decided to get one with a Window just to give it a go
[11:11]<@jacky> when I did have to open it a time or two, it was easy to get into
[11:12]<@jacky> "I Decided to get one with a Window" <<< the camerongray influence
[11:12]<@jacky> heheheeh
[11:12]<+camerongray> haha
[11:13]<@BC_Programming> the one thing I don't like about this case I have now is that there is a fan on the panel that is removed to get access to the inside, and it has to be unplugged to get inside the case properly and plugged back in when putting it back together
[11:13]<@jacky> just because it is something to remember to do?
[11:14]<@jacky> what's the main difference's in the antec case you linked above, and the 300 that I linked?
[11:14]<@jacky> slight diff in looks?
[11:14]<@BC_Programming> seems to be the main difference yes
[11:15]<@BC_Programming> re the fan, it's also a bit awkward putting it back on, I have to have the panel sort of half installed, then reach inside and grope around to find the Fan header on the motherboard
[11:15]<@jacky> re: fan sounds like they could have engineered a better idea
[11:16]<@BC_Programming> YOu'll get no argument from me, I'd be content with a longer wire for it
[11:17]<@jacky> I think something is missing from that case you will be buying
[11:17]<@jacky> 
[11:17]<@jacky> http://www.amazon.com/Strip-light-Waterproof-Flexible-Light/dp/B005EHHLD8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1394216180&sr=8-2&keywords=led+light+roll
[11:17]<@jacky> 
[11:17]<@jacky> will 16.4 feet be enough though?
[11:17]<@BC_Programming> haha wow
[11:17]<@BC_Programming> now if they had one of those that was a rainbow
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[11:18]<@jacky> a friend's son sticks that stuff on his friends cars and motorcycles
[11:18]<@jacky> gets paid to do it
[11:18]<@jacky> ... sigh...
[11:18]<@jacky> now if they had one of those that was a rainbow <<< shhh.... camerongray won't be able to sleep, consumed with desire
[11:19]<@jacky> y'know... if you think about it... that case you are looking at (any of them, actually) for $84 ... what are you getting?
[11:19]<@BC_Programming> actually why get an LED strip when you can just use christmas lights
[11:19]<@jacky> it is just a chunk of metal
[11:19]<@BC_Programming> yeah I was thinking the same thing when I was looking at cases
[11:20]<@jacky> christmas lights are SOOO '90's !
[11:20]<@BC_Programming> but they also blink
[11:20]<@jacky> is that $84 in Canadian or U.S. ?
[11:20]<@BC_Programming> CDN
[11:20]<@jacky> much difference in conversion ?
[11:20]<@jacky> I just thought of that....
[11:20]<@BC_Programming> maybe 70-75 USD
[11:21]<+camerongray> My PC is tasteful :P
[11:21]<@BC_Programming> stop licking it
[11:21]<+camerongray> All I have lightwise is a white LED strip to light the inside up :P
[11:21]<+camerongray> haha!
[11:21]<@jacky> online says 76.60 .. very good
[11:21]<@jacky> estimate on your part
[11:22]<@jacky> camerongray: pfftt.. you should throw that computer away. *I* wouldn't have that... would you, BC ?
[11:22]<@BC_Programming> do the lights blink?
[11:22]<+camerongray> haha
[11:22]<+camerongray> Nah
[11:22]<@BC_Programming> you disgust me
[11:23]<@jacky> he is discriminating against epileptics
[11:23]<+camerongray> lol
[11:23]<@jacky> they like to have fun, too
[11:23]<+camerongray> I love Corsair cases
[11:23]<@jacky> umm... you should get out more
[11:23]<@BC_Programming> next you'll tell me you don't have built-in klaxons that play the Star Trek "Red Alert" sound when the CPU temperature is too high
[11:24]<+camerongray> lol! Not as bad as m_ilad__'s love
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[11:24]<+camerongray> Come to think of it, haven't heard from him in a while :P
[11:24]<@BC_Programming> yeah that was hilarious and sad
[11:24]<+camerongray> Hey Craig
[11:24]<@jacky> we used to have a bot that would "AHHHHH OOOOOO GAAAHHHHHH !!!! " didn't we?
[11:24]<@jacky> hehehe
[11:24] * ChanbotVII sets mode: +v Craig
[11:24]<@BC_Programming> isn't that the db alert?
[11:24]<@jacky> did I change it?
[11:24]<+camerongray> I'd acutally love to let him lose in the lab here at uni and see what he would do
[11:24]<@jacky> damned if I can remember....
[11:24]<@jacky> <+camerongray> lol! Not as bad as m_ilad__'s love <<< who's that?
[11:25]<@BC_Programming> The first time I saw it I lost it
[11:25]<+camerongray> Would he run up to people doing C and hug them or shout at everyone else
[11:25]<@jacky> BC_Programming: I know. that's really why I remember it. heheeheheh
[11:25]<@BC_Programming> a guy on the CH Forum, he decided we were all his friends and may have been too forthcoming about what he did with computers
[11:25]<+camerongray> jacky: Some knob from the CH forum - Thinks he's some genius programmer who is going to create an OS and people like BC and I are wrong
[11:25]<@BC_Programming> "coming" being the operative word here...
[11:25]<+camerongray> Oh yeah... that bit... *shudders*
[11:25]<@jacky> he's going to create an os and people like BC ??
[11:25]<+Craig> Hey Guys,m :P
[11:25]<@jacky> hehehe
[11:26]<@jacky> Craig: welcome back
[11:26]<@jacky> :)
[11:26]<+Craig> Thanks,
[11:26]<+Craig> I hate moving...
[11:26]<@jacky> ahhh....
[11:26]<+camerongray> Oh, and how we kept "ruining his threads"
[11:26]<@BC_Programming> ahh mystery solved
[11:26]<@jacky> is that what it was?
[11:26]<+camerongray> Craig: Ahh, that'll be me in a couple of months - Still looking for a new place
[11:26]<+Craig> Would have been nice if Tux had passed that on :P
[11:26]<@jacky> camerongray: "threads" used to be one's clothes. you spilled something on him? hehehe
[11:26]<+Craig> It will be me again in a month... :S My wife hates this place.
[11:27]<+camerongray> Ahh, ouch
[11:27]<@jacky> uggg
[11:27]<+Craig> yeah
[11:27]<+camerongray> Difficulty for me is that I must be able to get a Virgin Media connection as I'm still in a contract with them
[11:27]<@jacky> Craig: we look at the bright side. you live far enough away, that we don't have to come up with creative lies, to get out of helping you move
[11:27]<@jacky> >g<
[11:27]<+camerongray> So jelous of the US and Canada, stuf here is so expensive!
[11:27]<+camerongray> stuff*
[11:27]<@BC_Programming> I have a ballet recital
[11:28]<@BC_Programming> can't help move
[11:28]<+camerongray> Stuff in terms of properties
[11:28]<@jacky> reciting?
[11:28]<+Craig> :P
[11:28]<@jacky> lay a few lines of ballet on us
[11:28]<@jacky> no need for pastebin
[11:28]<@jacky> you can do it right here
[11:28]<@jacky> (he's thinking... I can FEEL it....)
[11:28]<@BC_Programming> frolic, jump, light toe tap, inside right I'll show you on a map
[11:29]<+camerongray> haha
[11:29]<@jacky> we just want to see a frolic. you can skip the rest
[11:29]<@jacky> heh
[11:29]<+camerongray> I also wish house prices here were affordable :P
[11:29]<+camerongray> Renting is such a pain
[11:30]<+camerongray> As in, I want built in ethernet
[11:30]<@jacky> camerongray: you want Obama? according to him, everything is wonderful
[11:30]<@jacky> you can have him
[11:30]<+camerongray> And if things break I want to fix them myself, not get some useless guy who will try and fail to fix it properly
[11:30]<+camerongray> haha!
[11:30]<@jacky> you really can
[11:30]<@jacky> I'll even toss in O'Malley
[11:31]<@BC_Programming> he's scottish anyway, you're just giving him back
[11:31]<@jacky> ( current governor of MD , and another socialist wacko )
[11:31]<+camerongray> ahh :P
[11:31]<@jacky> BC_Programming: heheeheheh
[11:32]<@jacky> <+camerongray> As in, I want built in ethernet <<< reminds me.. next week, am helping a friend with some wiring and plumbing in his daughter's basement
[11:32]<@jacky> I wonder if they should do ethernet too...
[11:32]<+camerongray> Could do yeah
[11:33]<@jacky> how does wireless do... coverage down into a basement?
[11:33]<@jacky> usually ok?
[11:33]<+camerongray> If we move somewhere really nice I'd consider asking if I can install Ethernet and just leave it when we move out
[11:33]<@jacky> she has that, now
[11:33]<+camerongray> Should be fine
[11:33]<@jacky> ok
[11:33]<@jacky> then how about you? why not just use wireless?
[11:33]<+camerongray> At the moment we have Ethernet to all rooms but it's just surface mounted around the doors
[11:33]<@BC_Programming> I'm using wireless RIGHT NOW! woooOOOoo
[11:33]<+camerongray> Loads of stuff and need high speeds
[11:34]<@jacky> speed is significantly higher, when wired?
[11:34]<+camerongray> Our broadband is 100mbps so really need Ethernet to get the best out of it
[11:34]<+camerongray> Yeah
[11:34]<@jacky> ok
[11:34]<@jacky> I don't know what her's is... from the cable TV company
[11:34]<+camerongray> Over WiFi I get around 90mbps in my room where the router is and maybe 70 from futher away rooms
[11:34]<@BC_Programming> I get 1.5MB/s normally with this wireless USB thing
[11:35]<@BC_Programming> though that's like 12 megabits
[11:35]<@jacky> S H O U L D C a m e r o n g r a y t y p e s l o w e r ?
[11:35]<+camerongray> I'd also dare say that I'd be better at fixing things around the place than the guy the letting agent insist on using
[11:35]<+camerongray> haha
[11:35]<+camerongray> Oh, I'm at uni now, the connection here is insane
[11:35]<@BC_Programming> oh right forgot about that, makes sense
[11:36]<@BC_Programming> I just paid off the cable/TV/Internet bill yesterday, it's a good thing I saw it on the table
[11:36]<@BC_Programming> It's not even in my name
[11:37]<+camerongray> this is the uni connection at the moment: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3355247748
[11:37]<+camerongray> And that's at peak time so it's "slow"
[11:37]<+camerongray> That's on the WiFi
[11:37]<@jacky> it is loading slow
[11:37]<@jacky> heh
[11:37]<+camerongray> lol!
[11:37]<+camerongray> When it's quiet and on a wired workstation I've had almost 1gbps
[11:37]<+camerongray> Up and down
[11:38]<@jacky> does that mean... in the real world.. you could d/l a gig in about 8 seconds?
[11:38]<@BC_Programming> dayum
[11:38]<@BC_Programming> 360 baud
[11:38]<@jacky> heh
[11:38]<@jacky> seriously though... I'm rusty
[11:38]<@jacky> am I on track?
[11:39]<@BC_Programming> sounds right to me
[11:39]<+camerongray> jacky: yep
[11:39]<@jacky> a whole dvd, in less than a minute
[11:39]<+camerongray> jacky: I can easily reach that at home
[11:39]<@jacky> whew....
[11:39]<@jacky> amazing
[11:39]<+camerongray> Amusing you say that actually
[11:39]<+camerongray> My flatmates and I were going to watch a movie, I couldn't find the DVD
[11:39]<+camerongray> Started downloading it then went to find the DVD - The download won
[11:40]<@jacky> heh
[11:40]<+camerongray> We are basically on the internet backbone at uni
[11:40]<+camerongray> Oh, and you know that IPv4 depletion thing?
[11:40]<+camerongray> Well, we are virutually causing it!
[11:41]<@jacky> by doing .... ?
[11:41]<@BC_Programming> stuff and things
[11:41]<+camerongray> Every machine here has an external IP address
[11:41]<+camerongray> Even our printers have public facing IPs!
[11:43]<@jacky> so it is all your fault
[11:43]<+camerongray> haha, not me, the uni
[11:43]<@jacky> BC_Programming: can you direct all the porn torrents out there to camerongray's printer?
[11:44]<@jacky> at 8 gig per second?
[11:44]<@jacky> or something like that?
[11:47]<+camerongray> haha
[11:47]<+camerongray> I'd like to think they are firewalled :P
[11:47]<@jacky> that's why I asked BC to do it, instead of just trying for myself
[11:48]<+camerongray> Edinburgh uni was one of the first places to get an internet connection so they got a massive block of IPs
[11:48]<+camerongray> And we don't have an ISP - We *are* our ISP
[11:48]<+camerongray> lol!
[11:49]<@jacky> Edinburgh uni <<< the irony of it. The town has a castle that is 100,000 years old, and it has the world's best internet too.
[11:49]<+camerongray> lol, korea has the world's best internet :P
[11:49]<@jacky> seriously?
[11:49]<@jacky> I have no idea...
[11:50]<+camerongray> yeah, gigabit to the regular public
[11:50]<+camerongray> But yeah, I can actually see the castle from here :P
[11:50]<+camerongray> Well, when it wasn't dark outside
[11:50]<@jacky> it is dark there now?
[11:50]<+camerongray> Yeah
[11:50]<+camerongray> Amazing view from this building
[11:50]<@jacky> oh.. almost 7:00 pm?
[11:50]<+camerongray> Yep
[11:50]<@jacky> almost 2:00pm here
[11:50]<@jacky> rain and wind
[11:51]<+camerongray> Ahh cool
[11:51]<@BC_Programming> 11AM for me
[11:51]<@jacky> oh... this Sat night / Sun morning we change to Daylist Saving time
[11:51]<@jacky> when do you change?
[11:51]<+camerongray> We are on the 5th floor (Which is the 6th floor to you with your strange floor numbering scheme :P) - Can see all over the city!
[11:51]<+Craig> Digitally :P hahahaha I love digital clocks, daylight savings comes and goes with no concerns.
[11:51]<+camerongray> Last week there was a large power cut - You could actually look out the window and see the area that was affected
[11:51]<@jacky> heh
[11:51]<@BC_Programming> March 9th
[11:52]<@jacky> BC_Programming: same here
[11:52]<+Craig> Also, hello everyone, :)
[11:52]<@jacky> camerongray: when does Britain change?
[11:52]<+camerongray> Need to check actually
[11:52]<@jacky> I LIKE to see it happen... I hate those short days in Decemeber
[11:52]<+camerongray> March 30th
[11:52]<@jacky> now if we could just get the temps to agree, it might start looking like Spring!
[11:53]<+camerongray> Good for me too - I always get up really late so means I stop waking up when it's already dark
[11:53]<@jacky> I always get up really late <<< me too. I slept in 'till almost 7:00am today
[11:53]<@BC_Programming> I end up confused
[11:53]<@BC_Programming> clock says 10:00 and I don't know if it's AM or PM
[11:54]<+camerongray> haha - yep!
[11:54]<@jacky> BC_Programming: that's because you don't have a reflection in mirrors.
[11:54]<@BC_Programming> well more like 6:00, sinc the light amount is usually the same
[11:54]<+camerongray> At the moment I go to bed at 3am so never really know when I wake up
[11:54]<@jacky> who is farthest north? out of you three?
[11:54]<+camerongray> I'm probably on jacky's timezone
[11:54]<@jacky> camerongray: 3:00am ???
[11:54]<@BC_Programming> it's funny when I guess wrong too, start eating breakfast at 6PM...
[11:54]<@jacky> ah... to be young...
[11:54]<+camerongray> Uni coursework :D
[11:54]<@BC_Programming> "Getting an early start!"
[11:55]<@jacky> BC_Programming: sounds like a good excuse to me!
[11:55]<+camerongray> Go to lectures which finish at 6pm, go to lab and work until 3am
[11:55]<@jacky> hehe
[11:55]<@jacky> what do you work on?
[11:55]<@jacky> dead frogs?
[11:55]<+camerongray> haha - Programming and mathematics stuff :P
[11:55]<+camerongray> Then there's a point somewhere in the middle where we order pizza
[11:56]<@BC_Programming> I have the exciting task of creating the Electric meter readings for MArina dockwalks... that's what i need th 4GB Video card for, obviously.
[11:56]<@jacky> !g 2 + 2 =
[11:56]<@jacky> there... all done
[11:56]<@jacky> easy
[11:56]<+camerongray> haha!
[11:56]<@jacky> you doubt it???
[11:56]<@jacky> >g<
[11:56]<@BC_Programming> 100 PRINT 2+2:GOTO 100
[11:56]<+camerongray> "Prove that TNCP(n) = O(n2). For this part you must use asymptotic notation throughout
[11:56]<+camerongray> together with any standard properties (which you may assume without comment); in particular
[11:56]<+camerongray> you may not use named constants as part of the analysis. Note also that for full marks you must
[11:56]<+camerongray> justify each expression with reference to the algorithm. "
[11:57]<+camerongray> Well, actually - This is the full thing: http://www.inf.ed.ac.uk/teaching/courses/inf2b/coursework/ADScw.pdf
[11:57]<@jacky> that's easy
[11:57]<@BC_Programming> this is camerongray's way of getting us to do his homework
[11:57]<@BC_Programming> we aren't falling for that trick again!
[11:57]<+camerongray> lol!
[11:57]<@jacky> perfect timing...
[11:57]<@jacky> :)
[11:58]<@jacky> who is farthest north?
[11:58]<@jacky> that's who sees the most swing, in daylight hours summer vs. winter
[11:58]<+camerongray> Me I think
[11:59]<@jacky> !sky edinburg uk
[11:59]<+camerongray> !sky edinburgh uk
[11:59]<+camerongray> :P
[11:59]<@jacky> I think now, that sunset is around 6:00pm
[12:00]<@jacky> yep.. you gain almost 5 min daily!
[12:00]<@jacky> !sky crapo
[12:00]<@jacky> I forget where BC is
[12:01]<@jacky> 
[12:01]<@jacky> going to make a sandwich or something
[12:01]<+camerongray> Come to think of it - Last time we did coursework, there was no time that I left uni the same day I went in
[12:01]<+camerongray> Think I'll order some pizza
[12:01]<@jacky> there was no time that I left uni the same day I went in <<< is this English?
[12:01]<@jacky> did you meet yourself coming in the door?
[12:02]<@jacky> heh
[12:02]<@jacky> be back later/soon
[12:02]<@jacky> 
[12:02]<+camerongray> haha
[12:03]<+camerongray> It's strange being here at 3am - The building gets busier than it is at 3pm
[12:03]<@BC_Programming> Oh yeah well maybe I'll get some pizza too
[12:03]<+camerongray> With the occasional sprinking of people sleeping
[12:04]<+camerongray> You know it's time to go home when the cleaners come in
[12:06]<@BC_Programming> I don't know why I'm sleepier after a full night sleep than I am with only 2 hours from 6AM to 8AM
[12:13]<+camerongray> I ask myself the same all the time
[12:14]<jamer> Don't we all?
[13:59]<+camerongray> Trying to understand Geek-9pm's obsession with SD cards
[14:00]<@BC_Programming> he has this idea that they are secure
[14:00]<+camerongray> Yeah
[14:00]<+camerongray> He just posted about how he stores his installers on them
[14:01]<+camerongray> Don't think he'll ever grasp that the "secure" part is a little bit of plastic on the side
[14:02]<@BC_Programming> kind of like how SmartMedia has literally no smarts since it has no controller circuitry
[14:02]<+camerongray> haha
[14:03]<+camerongray> Is Geek-9pm getting worse or am I just noticing it more?
[14:03]<@BC_Programming> probably just noticing it more
[14:03]<+camerongray> Ahh
[14:03]<+camerongray> Why is he still around :P
[14:03]<@BC_Programming> entertainment probably
[14:04]<+camerongray> haha
[14:04]<@BC_Programming> Though there was that time he "joked" with a person looking for help about something, and ended up basically causing them to destroy their data because they took him seriously
[14:05]<@BC_Programming> and Dave is apparently a WinPatrol user, I'll act surprised
[14:06]<+camerongray> haha
[14:07]<+camerongray> never really heard of it, is it just junk?
[14:07]<@BC_Programming> THe guy who makes winPatrol has a massive inferiority complex
[14:07]<@BC_Programming> http://billpstudios.blogspot.ca/2009/05/symantec-support-says-winpatrol-is.html
[14:07]<@BC_Programming> "Some of the bigger companies dont have the same philosophy and have been known to pick on the little guys like me."
[14:07]<@BC_Programming> Or maybe they recognize your software as garbage? ever think of that buddy?
[14:08]<+camerongray> Ahh
[14:08]<+camerongray> Dave is a funny one too
[14:09]<+camerongray> Seems to know his stuff but comes out with nonsense loads
[14:09]<+camerongray> And his stories!
[14:09]<+camerongray> You don't need a 5 line story as to what happened to you in the past that vaguely relates to a point every time you post
[14:09]<@BC_Programming> he's in that area where he's fairly knowledgable but what he doesn't know he kinda makes up as he goes along
[14:09]<+camerongray> YEah
[14:10]<+camerongray> I do kinda want to see his 5150 "project" though
[14:10]<@BC_Programming> ugh don't remind me
[14:11]<+camerongray> Yeah :P
[14:11]<+camerongray> Well, I'm still pissed but find it funny how stupid he is
[14:12]<@BC_Programming> oh man... I remembered the main thing
[14:12]<@BC_Programming> claims to be proficient in C++
[14:12]<+camerongray> If he builds a PC in a tower case in the state that his is in, how can he even begin to do it in a case with no way to manage cables either
[14:12]<@BC_Programming> everything he's posted on it is basically a bunch of "system()" calls in a C Main routine
[14:12]<+camerongray> haha!
[14:13]<+camerongray> That's the other thing that confuses me, why has he never thought to get a new case
[14:13]<+camerongray> I mean, You could get a much better one for like $20
[14:18]<@BC_Programming> "using system("pause") is like burning your GPS unit when you are lost on a desert island to make smoke signals." -Me, in a post I found on CH
[14:25]<@BC_Programming> oh man
[14:25]<@BC_Programming> http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php?topic=122227.0
[14:25]<@BC_Programming> claims to be a C++ Programmer but uses system and "dir /b" to read files...
[14:37]<@BC_Programming> heh just snuck in support for the Windows 7 Taskbar button progress as well as win7 jumplists into the Updater, let's see if anybody notices...
[15:24]<@jacky> see you all later....
[15:24]<@jacky> 
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[15:27]<jamer> camerongray were making a 3 in 1 game console in class lol
[15:44]<jamer> camerongray the motherboard is a am2+ motherboard with a am2 cpu
[15:45]<jamer> CPU is a le-1660 single core
[15:46]<jamer> But for a CPU its 30 dollars
[15:55]<jamer> Like I said motherboard is new
[16:13]<+camerongray> Arg :P
[16:13]<+camerongray> That's ancient stuff :P
[16:14]<+camerongray> What do you mean by 3-in-1?
[16:53]<jamer> camerongray 3 game consoles in 1
[17:02]<+camerongray> huh? How does that work?
[17:04]<jamer> That's what they are figuring out
[17:07]<+camerongray> We don't do anything like that at uni :P
[17:07]<+camerongray> Sounds so fun compared to this coursework!
[17:08]<jamer> Lol
[17:09]<jamer> We have our precision machining guys (a few labs down) make us a couple brackets
[17:12]<+camerongray> I'm still in uni at 00:12 working on Java stuff :P
[17:12]<jamer> We have more than just one type of lab at school
[17:14]<jamer> http://www.vantagecareercenter.com/high-school.aspx look under programs
[17:21]<+camerongray> Ahh cool
[17:22]<+camerongray> That stuff does sound fun
[17:22]<+camerongray> Our stuff is so theoretical :P
[17:24]<jamer> Ours is hands oh
[17:28]<+camerongray> yEAH
[17:29]<+camerongray> We have no hands on stuff other than programming, but programming is very much just a way to present your work
[17:29]<jamer> We ended up making a 15 foot cat6 cable
[17:30]<+camerongray> There are hands on stuff such as http://tardis.ed.ac.uk/ but that's all done outside of regular classes and all entirely run by students
[17:31]<jamer> We've got a lot of expensive equipment
[17:32]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, we have that :P
[17:32]<jamer> Flukenet tester (3 grand)
[17:33]<+camerongray> We have several robots costing more than £1m each :P
[17:33]<+camerongray> I don't work with them though :P
[17:34]<+camerongray> Our workstations are nice though
[21:23]<@BC_Programming> well the money is out of my account now to wait for it to show up in paypal