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[05:20]<@BC_Programming> hmm I just realized
[05:21]<@BC_Programming> I could totally buy one of those 500$ monitors
[05:21]<@BC_Programming> then I could even setup my old PC with my current monitor for whatever reason
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[06:01]<+camerongray> BC_Programming: lol - YES!
[06:01]<@BC_Programming> yeah but I mean, I could do it with one transfer
[06:01]<@BC_Programming> boom transfer, wait till it finishes, bai, bai nau
[06:01]<+camerongray> kik
[06:01]<+camerongray> lol*
[06:01]<@BC_Programming> kik, exactly
[06:02]<+camerongray> You wouldn't need a $500 one - Can get them from Korea for $300
[06:02]<@BC_Programming> how?
[06:02]<+camerongray> eBay
[06:02]<+camerongray> I just wanted one that was better made with a decent stand, hence going for the UK made one
[06:02]<+camerongray> http://www.ebay.ca/sch/Monitors-Projectors-Accs-/162497/i.html?_from=R40&_sop=15&LH_BIN=1&_nkw=2560x1440
[06:02]<@BC_Programming> oh you saying your better than me are you
[06:02]<@BC_Programming> you're* Jacky's here I have to be careful
[06:02]<+camerongray> lol
[06:03]<+camerongray> And the fact if I buy from the UK I get DSRs (Can return for no reason whatsoever so could return if there was even one bad pixel) and I get a warranty
[06:03]<@BC_Programming> My plan was to simply spend as little as possible until my next pay
[06:03]<+camerongray> Ahh
[06:03]<+camerongray> This is seen as one of the best Korean ones - http://www.ebay.ca/itm/27-QNIX-QX2710-Evolution-ll-Matte-Screen-2560x1440-QHD-PLS-Monitor-/251271988226?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_Monitors&hash=item3a80fa4402&_uhb=1
[06:04]<+camerongray> They just aren't super well made casing wise and the stands are pretty crap
[06:04]<@BC_Programming> and if I wait even longer until the one after I'll have $2100 I could put towards a build :D
[06:05]<@BC_Programming> more than I would ever need for sure
[06:06]<+camerongray> yeah
[06:06]<@BC_Programming> Basically I'm going to avoid spending more than necessary for as long as possible and make like, a super build
[06:07]<+camerongray> haha yeah
[06:07]<@BC_Programming> maybe even factor in a digital camcorder so I can make a build video lol
[06:07]<+camerongray> With one of those monitors :P
[06:07]<+camerongray> Oh yeah
[06:07]<+camerongray> And a camera so you can finally get a profile picture on Facebook :P
[06:07]<@BC_Programming> I have a camera
[06:08]<+camerongray> Well then :
[06:08]<+camerongray> :P*
[06:08]<@BC_Programming> is the asterisk a glob of slobber?
[06:08]<+camerongray> haha
[06:12]<@BC_Programming> Have you heard about Jerky Jesus? He Dried for your sins
[06:15]<Immental1200> Camerongray I've got a ps1 acer keyboard here. :)
[06:44]<+camerongray> Immental1200: huh?
[06:45]<Immental1200> https://db.tt/Y2b4g3i8
[06:46]<+camerongray> Is it mechanical or something?
[06:46]<+camerongray> I like old mechanical keyboards - Not just random old keyboards :P
[06:46]<Immental1200> Ooh
[06:47]<Immental1200> Well it's had like 20+ years of regular use and it's still going. :P
[06:47]<+camerongray> Even then :P
[06:47]<+camerongray> If it's rubber dome, it's worthless :P
[06:47]<@BC_Programming> quite
[06:47]<+camerongray> It's the feel I want, not the fact it's old or reliable
[06:48]<+camerongray> Or PS/2 - If anything PS/2 is a pest for me as I have to use an adapter due to not having any PS/2 ports
[06:48]<@BC_Programming> I call shenanigans on 20 years of use! you can still see the letters on the home row
[06:48]<+camerongray> Hmm, might be die-sub
[06:48]<@BC_Programming> I can't see the letters on the home row of my old keyboard
[06:49]<+camerongray> Ahh :P
[06:49]<@BC_Programming> also I'm scared to take it apart
[06:49]<+camerongray> But yeah, if I wanted an old PS/2 keyboard I'd look in the bin or buy one for <£1
[06:49]<@BC_Programming> that could be a horror show
[06:49]<@BC_Programming> "Taking apart old keyboards"
[06:49]<+camerongray> haha
[06:49]<+camerongray> Oh yeah BC_Programming - Best way to clean your unicomp caps - Denture cleaning tablets!
[06:50]<+camerongray> I discovered this with my model Ms which all came filthy - Massive pack of tablets cost like 70p in the supermarket, throw the caps in with a few of them, boom - sparkling white and minty fresh
[06:50]<@BC_Programming> I just realized I probably could have customized it to make it black
[06:50]<+camerongray> The caseing will be black but then the caps are grey
[06:50]<+camerongray> casing*
[06:51]<@BC_Programming> yeah but I mean they have customization options beyond their product selection itself I think
[06:51]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah, they must do actually as I bought a red escape key
[06:51]<+camerongray> Mmm, a fully black one does sound nice
[06:51]<@BC_Programming> I thought you got yours from wasdkeyboards
[06:51]<+camerongray> lol, nope :P
[06:52]<+camerongray> I have a Unicomp Classic (Black, USB)
[06:52]<+camerongray> And a Filco Majestouch
[06:52]<+camerongray> Those are my "new" ones
[06:52]<+camerongray> Still use my 1986 silver label Model M (One of the first model Ms) as my main keyboard
[06:54]<+camerongray> Yeah - Pretty sure they can do one completely black
[06:54]<@BC_Programming> I use the windows key too much to use one without one
[06:54]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[06:54]<+camerongray> I'm on Linux so I'm used to Alt+F2 in KDE
[06:54]<@BC_Programming> Windows key works on Linux too, I think it's called Super
[06:54]<+camerongray> I suppose if you could be bothered you could return yours over the bad connection and get a black one in return
[06:54]<+camerongray> Yeah - I just never need it
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[06:54]<@BC_Programming> that would feel cheaty though
[06:54]<+camerongray> lol
[06:55]<+camerongray> Well, yours is faulty
[06:55]<+camerongray> I mean. their support is excellent
[06:55]<@BC_Programming> don't doubt it, already got an E-mail to fill out a satisfaction survey
[06:55]<+camerongray> Like they gave me my red escape key for free after I cocked up, forgot to add it to my order and emailed asking them to add it
[06:56]<+camerongray> They were like "Not worth the hassle of sending you another invoice, have it for free"
[06:56]<@BC_Programming> Thing is whether I can be bothered for the wait
[06:56]<+camerongray> Yeah
[06:56]<@BC_Programming> having to use my old keyboard like a peasant
[06:56]<+camerongray> I mapped Pause to Super anyway so it's there if I do need it
[06:56]<+camerongray> Or email them - They may let you buy a new one THEN return your old one for a refund
[06:57]<@BC_Programming> I have my old keyboard plugged in still you know just in case
[06:57]<+camerongray> lol
[06:57]<@BC_Programming> I need to find a way to open this one up to fix it, honestly the colour doesn't bother me, makes it look more, uh, classic
[06:58]<@BC_Programming> same colour as the keyboard that was with my 286, without the 20 years of yellowing of course
[06:58]<@BC_Programming> I wonder if it's possible to get keyboards with the 84-key XT layout, that would be funky
[06:59]<+camerongray> lol
[06:59]<@BC_Programming> they're weird but partly make sense
[06:59]<+camerongray> My Model M is pretty yellowed but the keys are sparkling white after the denture tablets
[06:59]<@BC_Programming> easier to perform control/Alt combinations with the F keys
[07:00]<+camerongray> I did notice though that the original film was still on the IBM logo so it looks amazing
[07:00]<@BC_Programming> you need to rip it apart and fill a bathtub with denture cleaner and clean the case the same way, lol
[07:00]<+camerongray> haha - My flatmates wouldn't be surprised
[07:00]<@BC_Programming> "I'm giving this keyboard a bath"
[07:00]<+camerongray> Quote - "Why are there keyboard keys wrapped in a towel sitting in the oven"
[07:01]<@BC_Programming> I'm making keysadillas
[07:01]<+camerongray> lol
[07:02]<@BC_Programming> the one I'm thinking of is the Model F keyboard
[07:03]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[07:03]<+camerongray> I don't like the layout but would be interesting to try the mechanism as it's capacitive rather than membrane like the Model M
[07:05]<+camerongray> Need to clean my keys again actually - Getting a bit dirty
[07:08]<@BC_Programming> The Model F or at least a clone of it was the keyboard that was with my Stepdads XT machine
[07:09]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[07:11]<PCdoc> Today is pollution dayt
[07:11]<PCdoc> day *
[07:11]<PCdoc> Air pollution
[07:13]<@BC_Programming> RIP BC's beard Nov 1st-Nov 3rd
[07:13]<+camerongray> Aww
[07:13]<@BC_Programming> Too itchy
[07:13]<PCdoc> It's a festival called Diwali. We (Indians) burn fire crackers a lot, almost the whole night. All types of cerackers that contribute towards a lot of air pollution. Almost like if you see outside the window after few hrs, it will look like huge smoke everywhere and no buildings around will be visible.
[07:13]<+camerongray> lol
[07:14]<+camerongray> Ahh lol
[07:14]<PCdoc> And from tomorrow, the activist start boasting with "stop air pollution"
[07:14]<+camerongray> Well, it's Guy Fawkes night on Tuesday
[07:14]<@BC_Programming> 'activist' just the one
[07:14]<+camerongray> We basically blow stuff up
[07:15]<PCdoc> every year they create pollution and burn expensive fire crackers to 'celebrate'. Burning fire crackers is almost equivallent to burning 'money' literally.
[07:15]<@BC_Programming> Anyway another annoying feeling with a beard and moustache is it feels like I have something on my face, which I guess is true
[07:15]<PCdoc> BC_Programming its itchy :P
[07:15]<+camerongray> We set off expensive fireworks :P
[07:15]<PCdoc> I find myself moving my hand over the beard all the time cause its itching all the time
[07:16]<PCdoc> irritating
[07:16]<+camerongray> Or you go and watch my uncle setting off fireworks and play the game of "What will he set on fire this year"
[07:16]<+camerongray> My granny now has a metal bird table after the last one...errr...went away
[07:18]<@BC_Programming> hmm
[07:18]<PCdoc> When I was a kid, some one one in the neighborhood boight a lot of expensive crackers. He kepot the bag near a window and lit a rocket. By mistake the bottle in which the rocket was kept fell pointing the bag.
[07:18]<@BC_Programming> I think my left mouse button may be broken
[07:18]<PCdoc> omg.. all purchased crackers were blown in one spark
[07:18]<+camerongray> Oh - That happened last year
[07:18]<PCdoc> switch it from the control panel :P
[07:19]<+camerongray> A local housing estate had a community fireworks display - Their logic was to pile all the fireworks up on the climbing frame in the park
[07:19]<+camerongray> One fell over, shot straight into the pile
[07:19]<@BC_Programming> I craft my fireworks. Can't find enough creepers for the gunpowder though
[07:19]<+camerongray> There is even a video of it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-YNkN-6usk
[07:20]<PCdoc> BC_Programming you can even code a firework :P non-polluting one :D
[07:20]<@BC_Programming> wtf mouse why you act strange :(
[07:20]<@BC_Programming> don't make me replace you
[07:20]<PCdoc> I have seen people using those old mouse with a ball under them.
[07:21]<+camerongray> You see people using PIIIs :P
[07:21]<PCdoc> I suggested them to switch to optical and they were like wow ? you mean these mouse ball generation is over??
[07:21]<PCdoc> camerongray yeah :(
[07:21]<PCdoc> ]and the same people are also using a core2 duo or core i3 first gen. laptop
[07:22]<PCdoc> the complain there p3 won't play games.
[07:22]<PCdoc> lol
[07:22]<PCdoc> they*
[07:22]<+camerongray> Yeah, that's why I don't work with the general public's computers :P
[07:25]<@BC_Programming> I don't think the mouse likes the batteries I'm using
[07:25]<@BC_Programming> there we go, just had to reconnect it
[07:29]<@BC_Programming> darn, WMI events can't be hooked when not running as admin
[07:29]<@BC_Programming> that's stupid
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[08:19]<@BC_Programming> heh my laptop's used disk space is a tiny sliver in Windows Explorer
[08:19]<@BC_Programming> how will I fill it up :/
[08:27]<@BC_Programming> holy crap, my EnderHoppers plugin has over a thousand downloads
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[09:00]<PCdoc> jacky and jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water .. :P
[09:02]<@jacky> It would be Crown Royal, not water
[09:02]<@jacky> :)
[09:11]<PCdoc> Is there a way I can install msdos side by side with xp or have same old msdos experience keeping xp installed?
[09:12]<+camerongray> DOSBox would likely be your best bet
[09:12]<+camerongray> But why on earth would you need to use DOS apart from running old games :P
[09:13]<PCdoc> camerongray my dad is fond of msdos. He says he is missing the dos feel and actually hates 'windows 95 and above'
[09:14]<+camerongray> well, you can use DOSBox or throw it in a VM, but it would be completely pointless as you wouldn't be able to do anything useful on it
[09:14]<@BC_Programming> lol, missing the DOS feel. That's a case of stockholm syndrome if anything
[09:15]<+camerongray> Yeah
[09:15]<@jacky> I miss it
[09:15]<@jacky> but... just get him a linux shell
[09:15]<@jacky> and let him feel around all day long. it's SUPER DOS!!
[09:15]<@jacky> hehe
[09:16]<+camerongray> lol
[09:16]<+camerongray> DOS but can actually be used in a modern environment
[09:16]<+camerongray> My dad could probably use DOS or 3.1 better than Windows 7, that doesn't mean he still uses DOS/3.1 :P
[09:16]<PCdoc> In his generation, he used turbo pascal, delphi, fortran
[09:17]<+camerongray> But what would he use it for nowadays?
[09:17]<@jacky> turbo'ing his pascal... obviously
[09:17]<@jacky> sigh
[09:17]<PCdoc> He says according to him wordstar was better than stupid ms word
[09:17]<PCdoc> lol
[09:18]<+camerongray> Tell him to get with the times
[09:18]<@BC_Programming> well if you learned the key combinations WordStar could be faster
[09:18]<+camerongray> Like what happens - He writes a letter in WordStar - Can't send it to anyone, can't print it
[09:18]<@BC_Programming> though I imagine text formatting and WYSIWYG editing probably supplants that
[09:18]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: it's possible to get printers that still use the Centronics interface
[09:19]<+camerongray> lol, true
[09:19]<PCdoc> Like I can't win an arguement with BC_Programming, I can't with my dad too :P
[09:19]<PCdoc> That's why I was just looking for an ms dos environment
[09:20]<+camerongray> Then tell him that he's on his own
[09:20]<+camerongray> If my parents were like that I wouldn't help them
[09:21]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: do you one better. Just install DOS 6 on their modern system
[09:21]<+camerongray> lol
[09:22]<+camerongray> Sure it would be supported by their Sandy Bridge i5 laptop :P
[09:22]<+camerongray> Then again, I have their old 486 here - Just give that back to them
[09:22]<@BC_Programming> 'I took out your hard drive and replaced it with a 5-1/4" diskette drive, for the authentic experience.'
[09:22]<+camerongray> haah
[09:22]<@BC_Programming> You can't call it the true DOS feel if you don't have to swap floppies
[09:23]<@BC_Programming> or search for your boot diskette
[09:23]<+camerongray> I mean, I see people that don't like change, but wanting to use DOS in 2013 - C'mon!
[09:23]<+camerongray> Even my Granny moved from XP to 7!
[09:23]<@BC_Programming> It's not so much the wanting to use DOS that would annoy me
[09:24]<@BC_Programming> but the idea that, "I know how to use X, therefore it is better than anything newer"
[09:24]<+camerongray> Yeah
[09:24]<+camerongray> The reluctance to learn something new
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[09:25]<Jamer> O. O my account is still good
[09:32]<@jacky> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq3YdpB6N9M
[09:42]<PCdoc> good nite :)
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[10:47]<Jamer> Camerongray
[10:52]<+camerongray> Yeah?
[10:57]<Jamer> Im sorry about yesterday
[10:57]<+camerongray> You did anything bad?
[10:58]<Jamer> Aboit with the desktop
[10:59]<+camerongray> You didn't do anything wrong :P
[11:01]<Jamer> Lol i know its not the best system but the issue is that i get 300 a year for birthday/christmas money
[11:02]<+camerongray> But if you built it you would get something better for the same money
[11:02]<+camerongray> Especially if you bought some of the parts used from eBay
[11:02]<Jamer> Yeah... :/
[11:02]<+camerongray> I got an i7 920 and motherboard for £60 on eBay last year
[11:04]<+camerongray> Is there a problem with building it as that really seems like the better way to go
[11:04]<Jamer> for that 60 pounds its close to 97 dollars here ... and even then parts are expensive here
[11:08]<Immental1200> Yeah.
[11:08]<Immental1200> Not a whole range of parts choice.
[11:08]<Immental1200> However... take into account what you could get on a selling spree/
[11:08]<Immental1200> ?*
[11:09]<Jamer> thought of that
[11:10]<Jamer> im gonna see with like what cameron said on used parts
[11:10]<+camerongray> Yeah, could sell your current desktop
[11:11]<Jamer> athlon 64 X2 ....
[11:11]<+camerongray> You'll get something for it anyway
[11:13]<Immental1200> 11Mbps download, 4.5Mbps upload... I'd say that is pretty good for 3G Advanced in this area...
[11:14]<+camerongray> When it comes to building a computer it's great to get it soon but it makes a lot more sense to save up and get something really nice
[11:14]<+camerongray> Once you have a good machine, it's a lot cheaper in the long run to upgrade.etc
[11:14]<Immental1200> Jamer - I'm happy with my X4 640 and 550Ti.
[11:15]<Immental1200> I was considering blowing my second paycheck and getting a £500 system with the money left over after travel and stuff.
[11:15]<Jamer> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i7-920-Quad-Core-2-66GHZ-8M-4-80-SLBCH-Computer-Processor-/200982862236?pt=CPUs&hash=item2ecb83199c XD
[11:15]<Immental1200> But I've now decided that I'm gonna save for a few months... get something that'll last.
[11:15]<Immental1200> Why bother with first gen?
[11:15]<Immental1200> Go second or third.
[11:15]<Immental1200> The stuff is available used too
[11:15]<Jamer> thats what im looking at
[11:16]<+camerongray> With your budget you could probably get some sort of Athlon II x4
[11:16]<Immental1200> Look at my setup for example...
[11:16]<Immental1200> 4GB RAM, 500GB drive, 550Ti, ASUS board, full tower case - £275
[11:16]<Immental1200> That was all new apart from the graphics card.
[11:16]<Immental1200> So if you get used bits, you can get it cheaper.
[11:16]<Immental1200> Personally I'd look at refurbished.
[11:17]<Jamer> alex ... thats 440 dollars here
[11:17]<Immental1200> You've got the motherboard
[11:17]<Immental1200> You've got the hard drive
[11:17]<Immental1200> Add more RAM
[11:17]<Immental1200> Replace the case
[11:17]<Immental1200> Leave the PSU and GPU for now... upgrade when you can
[11:17]<Immental1200> Get Corsair CX stuff, it's cheap and reliable.
[11:17]<Jamer> motherboard is a 939 ... not am2
[11:17]<Immental1200> Ooh.
[11:17]<Immental1200> Mine's AM3+
[11:17]<Immental1200> It was £35 I think..
[11:18]<Immental1200> Get ASRock instead :P it'll be cheaper with the same features
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[11:18]<+camerongray> Hey db100547
[11:18]<Immental1200> Familiiar name there ^
[11:18]<+camerongray> Jamer: I mean, looking on eBay US now there is loads of cheap used stuff
[11:19]<db100547> hi camerongray Immental1200 :D
[11:19]<+camerongray> Athlon II x4 630 - $58.95
[11:19]<+camerongray> MOtherboard for that CPU $29.99
[11:19]<+camerongray> RAM is like $80
[11:19]<+camerongray> $10*
[11:19]<Immental1200> I have the 640, but actually people have gotten better benchmarks out of the 630
[11:19]<+camerongray> I used to have a 640 too - Jumped to that from an Athlon 1400+ :P
[11:20]<Immental1200> If you're interested
[11:20]<Immental1200> I've got a 630, 3GB of RAM and a motherboard...
[11:20]<Immental1200> ;)
[11:20]<+camerongray> lol
[11:20]<Immental1200> Assuming my co-worker doesn't buy it off me tomorrow that is.
[11:20]<Immental1200> I have yet to give him a price.
[11:20]<+camerongray> I have too much stuff I need to sell :P
[11:20]<+camerongray> Or move
[11:20]<+camerongray> Or just generally sort out
[11:20]<Immental1200> Yeah...
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[11:21]<+camerongray> Need to sell my old monitors :P
[11:22]<Immental1200> I no longer have spare monitors
[11:22]<Immental1200> Ditched the CRT, sold the LCDs ...
[11:22]<Immental1200> I just have a little 19" TV now.
[11:22]<+camerongray> Ahh
[11:22]<+camerongray> These are really nice ones - 22", 1920x1200, PVA
[11:22]<Immental1200> And that I'm keeping for the moment if I decide I want to watch live TV that I can't get online
[11:25]<+camerongray> Jamer: Looking on eBay you should be able to build something pretty nice easily
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[11:25]<+camerongray> Hey Calum
[11:25]<@Calum> hey camerongray
[11:25]<Zuwer> I have a whole heap of ancient laptops that I'm going to give to someone who has more use for it. And I am still yet to sell my old desktop. D:
[11:26]<+camerongray> Could get a motherboard/CPU/RAM.etc for under $100 if you are careful, that leaves $200 for GPU, Case, PSU and drives
[11:26]<Jamer> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i5-750-2-66-GHz-Quad-Core-BV80605001911AP-Processor-/171160187301?pt=CPUs&hash=item27d9f131a5 http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUSTeK-COMPUTER-P7P55D-PRO-LGA-1156-Intel-Motherboard-/200982513579?pt=Motherboards&hash=item2ecb7dc7ab
[11:27]<+camerongray> Well, the motherboard is broken :P
[11:27]<Immental1200> If my co-worker doesn't want what I've got here... I'll ship you the motherboard ram and CPU for literally nothing but postage costs.
[11:27]<Jamer> ...
[11:27]<Immental1200> I've been trying to shift it for a year now .
[11:27]<Jamer> alex what what cpu and motherboard
[11:28]<Immental1200> Athlon X4 630 - 2.9GHz quad core.
[11:28]<+camerongray> Jamer: I'm looking at an Athlon II x4 630 (OEM), AM3+ ASUS motherboard, Cheap AM3 cooler, 650ti, 1tb 7200rpm Seagate, 4gb DDR3 then whatever PSU/Case
[11:28]<Immental1200> 100Mhz slower than what is in my main desktop.
[11:28]<Immental1200> 3GB of RAM (2GB stick + 1GB stick)
[11:28]<Immental1200> HP AM3+ motherboard... supports a 550Ti with no issues
[11:31]<Immental1200> Also... this is cool... http://puu.sh/57wtB/0d174fab68.png
[11:31]<Immental1200> Think that shows the overclock is stable xD
[11:31]<@Calum> under no load?
[11:31]<+camerongray> lol
[11:31]<+camerongray> Beat me to it
[11:32]<@Calum> I mean, it's good to make sure it doesn't crash idle and under light load, too
[11:32]<@Calum> but you need to test it under load
[11:32]<@Calum> to be fair though, 4.25GHz shouldn't be a problem at all
[11:33]<Immental1200> It hit 80%
[11:34]<Immental1200> And it's been running for 23 days...
[11:34]<+camerongray> So you overclocked, and ran for 23 days but without actually testing the overclock?
[11:34]<+camerongray> You need continuous full load - Like with Prime 95
[11:34]<@Calum> I normally stress test at 100% for 12 hours before I commit to using the machine
[11:35]<@Calum> then use it for a few days before I decide it's stable
[11:35]<@Calum> that way it has a range of loads, because my machines spend most of their time at 100%, but in games the load can vary so it's good to test it under load and under varying load too
[11:35]<Immental1200> It's not my CPU
[11:35]<+camerongray> Did you OC it?
[11:36]<Immental1200> Nop
[11:36]<+camerongray> Ahh
[11:36]<+camerongray> Then tell the owner to test it properly :P
[11:36]<Immental1200> He has done
[11:36]<@Calum> like I say, 4.25 is a pretty low OC anyway, so it's unlikely to cause problems even without fine tuning or testing
[11:36]<Immental1200> He did 48 hours of Prime95
[11:36]<+camerongray> Then why didn't you say that!
[11:36]<Immental1200> Followed by 48 hours of memtest
[11:37]<Immental1200> Gotta make sure all 16 gigabytes function correctly ;)
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[11:45]<Jamer> camerongray ... im done ... i guess i wont be buying a new pc ...
[11:45]<+camerongray> huh?
[11:45]<Jamer> parts are expensive ... even used
[11:45]<+camerongray> I just listed loads of cheap parts that should easily fit your budget
[11:47]<Jamer> ild need a psu and a case ... the psu i have is old ...
[11:47]<+camerongray> I factored all that n
[11:47]<+camerongray> in*
[11:47]<+camerongray> The Motherboard, CPU, RAM and cooler came in under $100
[11:47]<+camerongray> So even with a $100 GPU that leaves $100 for case, PSU and HDD
[11:49]<+camerongray> You could probably even use your current HDD to save some money
[11:49]<Jamer> my hard drive sucks
[11:49]<+camerongray> Then get a new one, but I'm saying it can fit your budget easily
[11:53]<@Calum> we could do a whip-round
[11:54]<@Calum> everyone donate spare hardware to the cause
[12:00]<Jamer> O.o Calum
[12:01]<@Calum> I have too many spare parts, could do with offloading some :)
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[12:08]<WonderWoman> Hello GlitchPc :)
[12:09]<@Calum> oh hey
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[12:23]<Jamer> calum like what for example O.o
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[12:25]<@Calum> probably not enough to make a complete system, at least not out of parts I could actually give away, but I have a spare PSU, various RAM...let me know what you need and I can take a proper look
[12:26]<Jamer> thank you
[12:26]<Immental1200> What is everyone else doing
[12:26]<Jamer> ill get a list made of motherboard case and all of it and see
[12:28]<WonderWoman> Well I am listening to Calum wade through all of his computer stuff... Maybe we will have some space! How about yourself?
[12:29]<Immental1200> I'm kinda curious
[12:29]<Immental1200> This game is a little shit
[12:29]<Immental1200> Just aim... it pulls the trigger for you
[12:29]<@Calum> Jamer: definitely let me know what you're after and I can see what I've got. I have various RAM for sure, possibly a HDD or two although they're probably older...couple of CPUs depending what socket you go for
[12:30]<@Calum> A PSU
[12:30]<Jamer> ok
[12:30]<@Calum> and the general crap that you might need, fans and whatnot
[12:32]<Immental1200> Calum... you're in the UK though?
[12:32]<Immental1200> Shipping :P
[12:32]<@Calum> I am, but depending on the weight & size, shipping to the US isn't necessariyl crippling
[12:33]<@Calum> fail spelling heh
[12:33]<@Calum> but yeah...the PSU might be a bit pricy but general stuff shouldn't be bad at all
[12:35]<Immental1200> What sort of PSU though
[12:35]<Immental1200> Hang on
[12:35]<Immental1200> Freebies?! *wavs*
[12:35]<@Calum> freebies for me first please ;)
[12:36]<Immental1200> Well... whatdday want
[12:36]<Immental1200> whaddya
[12:36]<WonderWoman> He wants nothing!
[12:36]<WonderWoman> don't give him anything!
[12:37]<@Calum> I'm just kidding heh, although I am always up for free stuff. I was just following on from you saying you had a mobo bundle etc spare, thought we might be able to combine forces :P
[12:37]<WonderWoman> Oh please... we'll fail our next inspection
[12:37]<Immental1200> It's spare
[12:37]<Immental1200> If I don't sell it to my co-worker
[12:37]<WonderWoman> we have enough laptops! making carpets out laptops here
[12:37]<Immental1200> He's still on a core2duo
[12:37]<WonderWoman> out of laptops*
[12:38]<Immental1200> Turns out...
[12:38]<Immental1200> Playing graphically demanding games on my phone
[12:38]<Immental1200> Makes it warm
[12:38]<Immental1200> And uses lots of battery
[12:38]<Immental1200> Hmmm
[12:38]<@Calum> surprising
[12:38]<Immental1200> I know right?!
[12:39]<Immental1200> 16% battery on two games
[12:39]<Immental1200> Both of which I played for like ... 25/30 minutes
[12:39]<Immental1200> Like, 25/30 mins each
[12:39]<@Calum> what phone is it?
[12:39]<Immental1200> HTC One
[12:39]<@Calum> ah cool
[12:40]<Immental1200> Apparently android system has used 14% battery though o.O
[12:40]<@Calum> my phone is giving me some crazy battery readings, flashed a new ROM earlier and it's not settled down properly yet
[12:41]<Immental1200> Haa
[12:41]<@Calum> it reckoned NFC service had used most of my battery even though I disabled it
[12:41]<Immental1200> Clear the battery cache
[12:41]<Immental1200> Wow... see I knew I was right in getting unlimited data
[12:41]<@Calum> I will do, when I'll have chance to give it a proper charge & drain cycle
[12:41]<Immental1200> 170MB in 24 hours.
[12:41]<Immental1200> I'd easily use 1GB a month
[12:42]<@Calum> I went for unlimited and barely use any heh, but my old plan only had 250MB which was quite limiting
[12:42]<Immental1200> I get 11Mbps down... 4.5Mbps up...
[12:42]<Immental1200> I'm gonna use it!!
[12:42]<@Calum> heh
[12:42]<Immental1200> Lowest speedtest, with 1 bar of signal - 4.8Mbps download
[12:42]<Immental1200> 1Mbps upload
[12:42]<Immental1200> So erm, hell yes.
[12:43]<@Calum> nice
[12:43]<Immental1200> Android doesn't record WiFi data usage out the box does it...
[12:43]<Immental1200> Ah yes it does
[12:43]<Immental1200> Goes from 170MB to 1.8GB
[12:43]<Immental1200> Loool
[12:44]<@Calum> heh
[12:44]<Immental1200> I've used 2GB of data in 24 hours, nicely done me!
[12:44]<Immental1200> I'm tempted to pay an extra £5 for one month when I have 4G in my area
[12:45]<Immental1200> That means I can tether PCs instead of just other phones
[12:45]<Immental1200> See if I can beat the current download records...
[12:45]<Immental1200> They had a usage limit of 85GB last year, someone used that much so they raised it to 250GB ... someone beat that, raised it to 1TB... and it's been raised again beginning of august to 2TB
[12:46]<Immental1200> So, technically all you can eat data... as they just raise the limits
[12:46]<@Calum> ah right
[12:46]<@Calum> who's that with?
[12:46]<Immental1200> Three
[12:46]<WonderWoman> Threeeee!!!!
[12:47]<@Calum> someone apparently loves the 3 network
[12:56]<Immental1200> Lol
[12:56]<Immental1200> I've been cautious
[12:57]<Immental1200> And concerned
[12:57]<Immental1200> They claim 98% coverage I believe
[12:57]<@Calum> about data usage?
[12:57]<Immental1200> No, coverage
[12:57]<@Calum> ah
[12:57]<@Calum> Cassie's been with them for years and never had an issue
[12:57]<@Calum> although
[12:57]<Immental1200> So for so good where I live
[12:57]<@Calum> until last year she spent 99.9% of her time in London
[12:58]<Immental1200> Work tomorrow... See what it's like in bath.
[12:58]<Immental1200> Could be interesting as it's in a dip. With only two large dishes
[12:58]<@Calum> with most of the networks sharing coverage now I'd be surprised if there was a huge difference between providers any more
[12:58]<Immental1200> Three don't share anything
[12:58]<Immental1200> They use orange for 2g fallback
[12:59]<Immental1200> But that's incredibly limited
[12:59]<@Calum> maybe that's what I'm thinking of
[12:59]<@Calum> I thought 3 shared with at least someone else
[12:59]<Immental1200> Used to be tmobile I think
[12:59]<Immental1200> Till they went to the dark side
[12:59]<@Calum> heh
[12:59]<Immental1200> With that Bastard known as ee
[13:00]<@Calum> they're not handling the whole merger terribly well to be honest
[13:00]<Immental1200> Ee have Terrible 2g support, slow 3g and expensive 4g
[13:00]<@Calum> keeping some things separate while other merge, he website's a disaster
[13:00]<@Calum> I'm with T-Mobile, was with Orange before
[13:00]<Immental1200> I mean. Three are giving me a free upgrade to 4g next year
[13:00]<Jamer> so calum WonderWoman is your wife?
[13:00]<Immental1200> We start at like £45 for 2gb of data
[13:01]<@Calum> Jamer: heh, not yet, she's my gf and we live together though
[13:01]<WonderWoman> :P
[13:01]<WonderWoman> lol
[13:01]<Immental1200> Now you've said that she will be expecting something ;)
[13:01]<@Calum> hah
[13:01]<Jamer> XD
[13:03]<WonderWoman> 3 is awesome for network coverage! i never really get problems!
[13:03]<WonderWoman> customer services are awful though!
[13:12]<Jamer> dont even mention bad custimer service ... virgin mobile ....
[13:14]<@Calum> heh, Virgin here have been excellent but I've heard they're quite different over there
[13:15]<Jamer> ive been hung up 3 times in a row from the same operator
[13:16]<@Calum> that really does suck
[13:16]<WonderWoman> Ohhh... that sounds like vodafone! Oh what a waste of my life!
[13:16]<@Calum> oh god yeah vodafone
[13:17]<Jamer> lol ive heard stories on them
[13:18]<@Calum> without fail, every 3-4 weeks they'll completely forget who I am, and not allow me to manage our phones through our corporate account
[13:18]<@Calum> and I'll be like "het, look, I gave the password, billing address, and oh look my NAME IS ON THE ORDER, but you won't speak to me? really???"
[13:19]<WonderWoman> I was on chat with them on there online service for nearly 3 hours to try and fix a problem for my mother and got no were as they decided they no longer wanted to chat with me!
[13:19]<@Calum> my manager the other day said, and I quote "well, there's two options. You've either been letting someone who isn't authorised order items and manage our account for over 6 months, or you're wrong. Which is it? You're wrong? OK, shall I pass you back to Calum so he can get on with his job instead of wasting his time going in circles? Thanks."
[13:21]<@Calum> sheer stupidity, they seem incapable of remembering more than 2 or 3 people on our account and they seem to erase all records of someone every few weeks, oh and sometimes they'll suspend an account for absolutely no reason
[13:31]<Jamer> calum what cpu's do you have
[13:32]<@Calum> some socket 771 CPUs, but they're unlikely to be any use. I have two Xeon L5520s, if you found a socket 1366 board quite cheap they'd make a pretty good setup...on the same socket I have two L5640s which would be kickass. I might have some 775 CPUs but nothing decent
[13:33]<@Calum> had no interest trying to sell those so they're just spare
[13:43]<Jamer> the l5640's would be badass O.o
[13:43]<@Calum> indeed
[13:43]<@Calum> if you can find a cheap X58 board, that would be a nice system
[13:43]<Jamer> yeah :D
[13:44]<@Calum> but you would need to make sure the board would work with them, not all boards will support Xeons and they're almost never on the official support lists
[13:44]<@Calum> so sometimes it's just a case of Googling to see if anyone's tried it before, but ask and I can probably find out for you if need be
[13:44]<Immental1200> In terms of mobile support
[13:44]<Immental1200> Orange employees need a suicide prevention policy
[13:44]<Jamer> O.o
[13:45]<Immental1200> My guy sounded so depressed when I wanted my voicemail turned off
[13:45]<@Calum> hah
[13:45]<Immental1200> I literally thought he was considering hanging himself
[13:45]<@Calum> yeah mine did actually, when he tried to offer me some awful retention deals
[13:45]<Immental1200> Talkmobile on the other hand
[13:45]<Immental1200> I love
[13:45]<Immental1200> I wanted a PAC code
[13:45]<Immental1200> And the credit transferred to another number on their network
[13:46]<Immental1200> Phoned up, pressed three, pressed 0 to acknowledge I'd be charged 25p
[13:46]<Immental1200> And bam, person in 5 seconds.
[13:46]<@Calum> that's cool
[13:46]<Immental1200> Told them what I wanted and it was all done in under 2 minutes, I heard the PAC code text arrive before I hung up.
[13:47]<@Calum> I think that's who my mum's with, I keep telling her to give them a call because her SIM is faulty but she thinks it's going to be some complicated long process
[13:47]<@Calum> that confirms it won't be heh
[13:47]<Immental1200> Tell her to go to carephone warehouse
[13:47]<Immental1200> They are behind Talkmobile
[13:47]<Immental1200> My SIM started to die, because it's been in and out of phones like 50 times
[13:47]<Immental1200> Walked into the store, he swapped it in front of me, and did it over the PC in a few minutes.
[13:48]<Immental1200> Admittedly the queues in store are a bit of a joke at the weekend... they take forever to set up new customers...
[13:48]<@Calum> hers is bad because it got damaged, she managed to put it in wrongly and I had to take the phone apart, then the only way it'd come out was with a knife, scratched the gold contacts a little and it sometimes loses signal now
[13:48]<Immental1200> Yeah... so, ^
[13:48]<Immental1200> xD
[13:49]<@Calum> I know sim swaps should be easy, I do them all the time through Vodafone's online service, takes about a minute...I'll pester her again to sort it out, I told her it would be easy but you know how some people are...
[13:49]<@Calum> yeah
[13:49]<Immental1200> Vodafone have an online service?
[13:49]<Immental1200> Interestig.
[13:49]<Immental1200> Opinions on O2?
[13:49]<Immental1200> I considered them, but they don't do unlimited data... and their recent blackouts are a concern.
[13:50]<@Calum> I mean their corporate service, I do it for work...our phones and dongles are all with Vodafone so we have a login for VCOL
[13:50]<Immental1200> Whilst I don't use the phone for calls or texts daily, if I loose connectivity when I need the phone...
[13:50]<Immental1200> I'm going to be very pissed.
[13:50]<@Calum> I haven't been with O2 for many years, so I don't really know what they're like nowadays
[13:50]<Immental1200> They've had three blackouts this year.
[13:50]<Immental1200> Two 24+ hours.
[13:50]<Immental1200> One 1/2 a day.
[13:50]<@Calum> I see
[13:51]<Immental1200> Last year, two cut-outs i Believe.
[13:51]<Immental1200> 6 hours and 24.
[13:51]<@Calum> not great then
[13:51]<Immental1200> No.
[13:51]<Immental1200> We moved from Tesco Mobile who use O2, to TalkMobile 2 years ago... so we missed it.
[13:52]<Immental1200> But I was trying to find my friend in the middle of Bath... which isn't easy at the weekend when it's full of tourists... and O2 went down, couldn't phone her.
[13:52]<@Calum> ah
[13:52]<Immental1200> Which is pretty frustrating.
[13:52]<WonderWoman> That sucks!
[13:52]<Immental1200> They don't offer 2G failover I think.
[13:52]<Immental1200> No networks will do it anymore.
[13:52]<WonderWoman> Imagine it happening in London Calum?
[13:52]<@Calum> hah
[13:52]<Immental1200> I'm wondering
[13:52]<Immental1200> Aren't you two
[13:52]<Immental1200> Like in the same building
[13:52]<Immental1200> ...
[13:52]<WonderWoman> Yeah
[13:52]<WonderWoman> we are
[13:53]<Immental1200> Alright.
[13:53]<Immental1200> That's cool.
[13:53]<WonderWoman> :P
[13:53]<Immental1200> Just... talking over IRC...
[13:53]<WonderWoman> Might as well
[13:53]<Immental1200> Shout ;)
[13:53]<WonderWoman> Ahh one time last year i lost signal while i was going to work in London! it was awful.
[13:54]<WonderWoman> Work were trying to call me for more clients and i didn't get them
[13:54]<Immental1200> I'm hoping I can do support work in the morning on the train.
[13:54]<WonderWoman> So i got shouted at.... Oh 3 killed my life that day
[13:54]<Immental1200> I only loose signal in one place for about 2 minutes.
[13:55]<WonderWoman> One place? which place?
[13:55]<Immental1200> Somewhere out in the sticks
[13:55]<WonderWoman> I see.
[13:55]<WonderWoman> Sounds fun
[13:55]<Immental1200> Mmhmm
[13:56]<WonderWoman> So calum..
[13:56]<WonderWoman> i should go make you a sandwich for workies...
[13:56]<@Calum> go make me a sandwich
[13:57]<Immental1200> Oh wow.
[13:57]<Immental1200> Seriously? xD
[13:58]<WonderWoman> lol
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[14:00]<Jamer> Calum single cpu or dual :P
[14:01]<@Calum> well, I have two L5520s, so you could dual those if you found a cheap board. The L5640s don't work together, they'll only work singly for some reason
[14:01]<@Calum> but I think a dual socket X58 board is going to push your budget unless you find a real bargain
[14:06]<@Calum> Right, I'm off for tonight....catch you all later :)
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[15:12]<Jamer> i think i found a motherboard
[15:14]<Jamer> camerongray
[15:45]<Immental1200> What is it?
[15:45]<Immental1200> Jamer
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[16:06]<Jamer> http://www.upgradebay.com/Products/ProductInfo.aspx?rid=26&ProductID=168888235&utm_source=googlepepla&utm_medium=adwords&utm_content=pla&gclid=CPXLsJ_RyboCFag7Ogodf34AVw
[16:06]<@BC_Programming> haha
[16:06]<Jamer> i laughed also XD
[16:09]<Immental1200> I'm curious.
[16:09]<Immental1200> What the hell was swearing in that?!
[16:09]<@BC_Programming> in the last bit, F@g is considered a swear word
[16:09]<@BC_Programming> cigarettes are bad yo usee
[16:13]<Immental1200> I hate how f@g is used as a bad word. There's nothing wrong with being gay, and it really shouldn't be thrown around as an insult. Also, faggots are ew to eat in my opinion.
[16:13]<Immental1200> Hahaha
[16:13]<Immental1200> Ok. F@ggots are ew to eat in my opinion*
[16:16]<@BC_Programming> f@g I think is a pejorative for homosexuals sort of like "the N word"
[16:19]<Immental1200> It was originally seen as a nice way of identifying each other.
[16:19]<Immental1200> It has recently in our 'modern age' turned to an insult.
[16:19]<Immental1200> And that's just wrong.
[16:20]<@BC_Programming> I don't know of any time where it was a nice way of identifying one another
[16:21]<Immental1200> I believe, it was used a while back so that there was a friendlier way to associate sexuality. They took inspiration from the food. I read something about it the other day...
[16:22]<Immental1200> Let me see if I can find it.
[16:22]<Immental1200> Ah... looks like that article was total crap.
[16:23]<Immental1200> Everything I'm seeing now says different stuff xD
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[18:16]<+Craig> Look at this speed! :P http://www.brokedcomputer.com/speed/Speedtest.png
[18:23]<@BC_Programming> Heh... "
[18:24]<@BC_Programming> "when can we expect an update for 1.6.4 or 1.7.2? BigScary used to be on top of Minecraft updates"
[18:24]<@BC_Programming> Well looks like I'll go ahead and not work on GriefPrevention for a few days. Enjoy :D
[18:38]<Jamer> Lol bc
[18:38]<Nat> BC_Programming: they just want everything don't they
[19:05]<@BC_Programming> quite
[19:06]<@BC_Programming> I had to explain that I didn't have the same barometer for what constitutes stable as some plugin dev seem to- their testing appears to consist in some ways as "it compiles, good enough for me, Stable build"
[19:14]<Nat> well for a minecraft plugin that's often good enough
[19:15]<@BC_Programming> I like how he asked for a 1.7.2 build
[19:15]<@BC_Programming> "yes, allow me to reach into the future for a 1.7.2 Bukkit Version"
[19:17]<Nat> lol
[19:18]<@BC_Programming> apparently spigot has a 1.7.2 build but it is using the 1.6.4 API
[19:18]<@BC_Programming> also I cannot help but notice how every single person having weird issues with GP is coincidentally running spigot
[19:18]<Nat> weren't they going to make an official Minecraft API?
[19:18]<@BC_Programming> Still in development
[19:19]<@BC_Programming> they have to make the API <AND> turn the entire game's default content into Plugins, not to mention implement the API itself in the core game, tricky
[19:21]<Nat> the second part i can understand
[19:21]<Nat> that would be the same as rewriting the game
[19:22]<Nat> its the first part i can't really understand
[19:22]<Nat> i thought that's why they hired all the Bukkit people
[20:00]<+Craig> Look at this speed! :P http://www.brokedcomputer.com/speed/Speedtest.png
[20:00]<@BC_Programming> yes craig we saw
[20:00]<@BC_Programming> we are all very impressed
[20:00]<+Craig> :P
[20:00]<+Craig> hahahaha
[20:00]<+Craig> What are you upt o?
[20:11]<Jamer> Hmm .. No tuxreminder.. Ill just memo calum instead
[20:12]<@BC_Programming> Digging the hole for the rest of the floors of my tree farm in single player
[20:22]<+Craig> hahaha, MC or T?
[20:22]<@BC_Programming> MC
[20:22]<@BC_Programming> And now 1.7.2 adds more trees so I need even more floors :/
[20:23]<+Craig> :P
[20:23]<+Craig> hahahahaha
[20:24]<@BC_Programming> and now I'm too deep for my haste beacon to reach me
[20:24]<+Craig> Bahahahah sucker
[20:24]<@BC_Programming> better set up another
[20:28]<@BC_Programming> heh just found a villager that is offering a trade- a diamond axe for a diamond axe with efficiency
[20:28]<@BC_Programming> that's it, no emeralds
[20:35]<+Craig> :P
[20:35]<+Craig> Nice
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[04:56]<PCdoc> the ChanbotVII has not posted logs for 3rd nov 2013 on bc's website. It's 4th nov here already
[04:56]<PCdoc> By this time it should post logs
[04:56]<PCdoc> :P
[04:57]<+camerongray> Not really
[04:57]<PCdoc> what not really?
[04:57]<+camerongray> The logs
[04:58]<+camerongray> It posts them when it posts them :P
[04:58]<PCdoc> No, in my afternoon, the logs are posted already of the previous day
[04:58]<+camerongray> Does it really matter?
[04:58]<PCdoc> its 5:27pm here and the logs have not yet posted
[04:59]<PCdoc> No, But I was just checking something
[04:59]<PCdoc> was getting bored :P
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[14:00]<Jamer> Hopefully calum gets on
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[14:30]<Immental1200> camerongray
[14:30]<Immental1200> Can you set up Quassel for me? ;)
[14:30]<Immental1200> Because there's no way I'm paying for IRC Cloud
[14:35]<Immental1200> And as they just upgraded their servers, there's a good chance there's not long left...